Re: Is MacPorts considered stable on Big Sur?

[lars.sonchocky-helld...@hamburg.de]

Hi,

> Am 03.06.2021 um 00:57 schrieb Ryan Schmidt :
> 
> 1. Many ports use libtool. libtool code was written to assume that the macOS 
> version is always 10.x so it does not recognize macOS 11 or later when 
> implementing a feature which some software uses (allowing undefined symbols). 
> We have submitted a fix to the developers of libtool and they have not 
> responded to it.

https://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/

says (at the end of the page): 

„Maintainer

Libtool is currently looking for a maintainer.“ 

I think that might be the cause.


regards,

Lars

Re: Is MacPorts considered stable on Big Sur?

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Jun 2, 2021, at 17:40, Gerben Wierda wrote:

> My production ‘server’ system still runs Mojave. I was planning to move to 
> Catalina somewhere the coming months. But I might move to BigSur instead. 
> What would stop me is if ports I need won’t work properly on Big Sur. When 
> Big Sur was new, I recall that some core changes affected MacPorts and 
> certain ports.
> 
> Is there an overview somewhere that will tell me of remaining problems/issues 
> with MacPorts and/or ports on Big Sur?

Many ports build on macOS 11. Some don't. As ever, file bug reports when you 
encounter problems.


You can check https://ports.macports.org to see if the ports you want to use 
show a green indicator for macOS 11 on your architecture. This indicator is not 
authoritative and the information might be stale, but it is a place to start. 
You can also search the issue tracker for ports you care about (and their 
dependencies) to see if any have been reported.


https://trac.macports.org/wiki/BigSurProblems is a good place to look.


The major problems continue to be:


1. Many ports use libtool. libtool code was written to assume that the macOS 
version is always 10.x so it does not recognize macOS 11 or later when 
implementing a feature which some software uses (allowing undefined symbols). 
We have submitted a fix to the developers of libtool and they have not 
responded to it.

We have patched the libtool port to include the fix, however because of the way 
libtool works, each port that builds with libtool needs its own copy of the fix 
(unless that port runs autoreconf which then inherits the fix from the libtool 
port).

We have patched many affected ports to include the fix, but undoubtedly not all 
of them. When you encounter undefined symbols when building software on macOS 
11, file a bug report with us and we can apply the fix there as well.


1(b). This same general problem -- build systems that assume the macOS version 
is always 10.x -- can appear in limitless variations in other build systems, 
with limitless possible adverse consequences. These will all need to be 
identified and fixed.


2. Many older software packages written in C do not declare functions before 
using them. Officially, this is prohibited by the 1999 version of the C 
standard and later, but in practice compilers allowed it, therefore even some 
relatively new code has this problem due to oversight. Apple fixed clang to 
make this an error in Xcode 12 and later (for Big Sur and Catalina), thus 
causing these programming mistakes to cause builds to fail -- sometimes. These 
errors can also be present in configure scripts, where they can either cause 
configure to fail with an unexpected message, such as that it cannot figure out 
the size of a basic type or that a required dependency is not found even though 
it is in fact present, or the build could succeed but could be missing features 
that configure mistakenly thought were absent. In each case, the software must 
be fixed so that functions are declared before being used.


3. A lot of ports don't build on Apple Silicon for any number of reasons.

Re: Is MacPorts considered stable on Big Sur?

[Gerben Wierda via macports-users]

And then I found it after all: https://trac.macports.org/wiki/BigSurProblems 
 Sorry.

Gerben Wierda (LinkedIn )
R Enterprise Architecture  (main site)
Book: Chess and the Art of Enterprise Architecture 
Book: Mastering ArchiMate 

> On 3 Jun 2021, at 00:40, Gerben Wierda via macports-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> My production ‘server’ system still runs Mojave. I was planning to move to 
> Catalina somewhere the coming months. But I might move to BigSur instead. 
> What would stop me is if ports I need won’t work properly on Big Sur. When 
> Big Sur was new, I recall that some core changes affected MacPorts and 
> certain ports.
> 
> Is there an overview somewhere that will tell me of remaining problems/issues 
> with MacPorts and/or ports on Big Sur?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gerben Wierda (LinkedIn )
> R Enterprise Architecture  (main site)
> Book: Chess and the Art of Enterprise Architecture 
> 
> Book: Mastering ArchiMate 
> 

Is MacPorts considered stable on Big Sur?

[Gerben Wierda via macports-users]

My production ‘server’ system still runs Mojave. I was planning to move to 
Catalina somewhere the coming months. But I might move to BigSur instead. What 
would stop me is if ports I need won’t work properly on Big Sur. When Big Sur 
was new, I recall that some core changes affected MacPorts and certain ports.

Is there an overview somewhere that will tell me of remaining problems/issues 
with MacPorts and/or ports on Big Sur?

Thanks,

Gerben Wierda (LinkedIn )
R Enterprise Architecture  (main site)
Book: Chess and the Art of Enterprise Architecture 
Book: Mastering ArchiMate