Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[André-John Mas]

One thing I am wondering is how the default linker is being selected? Is it by name in the PATH environment variable or by some other mechanism?If there is a “legacy” flag to tell the build environment to fall back to the old behaviour? Having trouble seeing if there is anything in the docs about this. André-JohnSent from my phone. Envoyé depuis mon téléphone. On 07 Oct 2023, at 18:56, Kevin Horton  wrote:On Oct 7, 2023, at 09:59, Chris Jones  wrote:Hi,On 7 Oct 2023, at 1:12 am, Kevin Horton  wrote:I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.I would not base your opinion on messages to this list, as that is not the recommended way of reporting issues. You should instead check trac for issue related to the new OS. See the link fromMacPortstrac.macports.orgChrisThanks - I dug into Trac, looked at the ports I need and their dependencies, and concluded that I should wait before upgrading to Sonoma.Cheers,Kevin

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Kevin Horton]

> On Oct 7, 2023, at 09:59, Chris Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2023, at 1:12 am, Kevin Horton  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to 
>> wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have 
>> seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am 
>> wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.
> 
> I would not base your opinion on messages to this list, as that is not the 
> recommended way of reporting issues. You should instead check trac for issue 
> related to the new OS. See the link from
> 
> https://trac.macports.org/
> 
> Chris

Thanks - I dug into Trac, looked at the ports I need and their dependencies, 
and concluded that I should wait before upgrading to Sonoma.

Cheers,

Kevin

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Murray Eisenberg]

> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2023, at 3:40 pm, Murray Eisenberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> OnFri, 6 Oct 2023 19:10:39 -0500,Kevin Horton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to 
>>> wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have 
>>> seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am 
>>> wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.
>> 
>> 
>> It depends on which ports you require. Most of those I had under Ventura I 
>> could finally get installed under Sonoma. 
>> 
>> But a number of ports will not as yet re-install under Sonoma owing to a 
>> change in C compiler flags in Xcode 15 (and Sonoma seems not to allow using 
>> an earlier version of Xcode).
> 
> Not wishing to be pedantic, but the issue is not relating to the compiler, 
> but instead the linker. Xcode 15 switched to a new implementation which has 
> issues in some scenarios, for instance whenever asked to link against object 
> files or dylibs created with GCC. A common reason for this is ports that need 
> to use GCC to build fortran source code. OpenBLAS is a specific example that 
> a number of ports use and thus are having issues linking against. 
> 
> Workarounds exist, basically by using specific linker options to go back to 
> using the so called ‘classic’ linker. The problem is not all builds are easy 
> to convince to use these flags.
> 

Yes, my careless mistake: it's the Xcode15 linker that's at issue here.

> 
>> 
>> Among those troublesome ports is sbcl, and unfortunately the maxima port 
>> depends on sbcl.

---
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Mobile (413)-427-5334
503 King Farm Blvd #101 
Rockville, MD 20850-6667

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Dave Allured - NOAA Affiliate via macports-users]

Yes, the linker in CLT 15.0 is also affected.  I believe it is exactly the
same linker as the one in Xcode 15.0.


On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:46 AM Jim Secan  wrote:

> A related question - I install and use only the CLI toolkit for Xcode, not
> the entire Xcode package.  Does this linker problem also effect use of the
> CLI toolkit, or can I safely upgrade to just the toolkit (I’m still on
> Ventura).
>
> Jim
> Seattle, WA
> > On 10/07/2023, at 8:03 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >> On 7 Oct 2023, at 3:40 pm, Murray Eisenberg 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>> OnFri, 6 Oct 2023 19:10:39 -0500,Kevin Horton 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or
> continue to wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on
> Sonoma?  I have seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this
> list, and am wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.
> >>
> >>
> >> It depends on which ports you require. Most of those I had under
> Ventura I could finally get installed under Sonoma.
> >>
> >> But a number of ports will not as yet re-install under Sonoma owing to
> a change in C compiler flags in Xcode 15 (and Sonoma seems not to allow
> using an earlier version of Xcode).
> >
> >
> > Not wishing to be pedantic, but the issue is not relating to the
> compiler, but instead the linker. Xcode 15 switched to a new implementation
> which has issues in some scenarios, for instance whenever asked to link
> against object files or dylibs created with GCC. A common reason for this
> is ports that need to use GCC to build fortran source code. OpenBLAS is a
> specific example that a number of ports use and thus are having issues
> linking against.
> >
> > Workarounds exist, basically by using specific linker options to go back
> to using the so called ‘classic’ linker. The problem is not all builds are
> easy to convince to use these flags.
> >
> > Cheers Chris
> >
> >>
> >> Among those troublesome ports is sbcl, and unfortunately the maxima
> port depends on sbcl.
>

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Jim Secan]

A related question - I install and use only the CLI toolkit for Xcode, not the 
entire Xcode package.  Does this linker problem also effect use of the CLI 
toolkit, or can I safely upgrade to just the toolkit (I’m still on Ventura).

Jim
Seattle, WA
> On 10/07/2023, at 8:03 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2023, at 3:40 pm, Murray Eisenberg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> OnFri, 6 Oct 2023 19:10:39 -0500,Kevin Horton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to 
>>> wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have 
>>> seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am 
>>> wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.
>> 
>> 
>> It depends on which ports you require. Most of those I had under Ventura I 
>> could finally get installed under Sonoma. 
>> 
>> But a number of ports will not as yet re-install under Sonoma owing to a 
>> change in C compiler flags in Xcode 15 (and Sonoma seems not to allow using 
>> an earlier version of Xcode).
> 
> 
> Not wishing to be pedantic, but the issue is not relating to the compiler, 
> but instead the linker. Xcode 15 switched to a new implementation which has 
> issues in some scenarios, for instance whenever asked to link against object 
> files or dylibs created with GCC. A common reason for this is ports that need 
> to use GCC to build fortran source code. OpenBLAS is a specific example that 
> a number of ports use and thus are having issues linking against. 
> 
> Workarounds exist, basically by using specific linker options to go back to 
> using the so called ‘classic’ linker. The problem is not all builds are easy 
> to convince to use these flags.
> 
> Cheers Chris
> 
>> 
>> Among those troublesome ports is sbcl, and unfortunately the maxima port 
>> depends on sbcl.
>> 
>> ---
>> Murray Eisenberg murrayeisenb...@gmail.com
>> Mobile (413)-427-5334
>> 503 King Farm Blvd #101 
>> Rockville, MD 20850-6667 
>> 
>> 

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Chris Jones]

Hi,On 7 Oct 2023, at 3:40 pm, Murray Eisenberg  wrote:OnFri, 6 Oct 2023 19:10:39 -0500,Kevin Horton  wrote:I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.It depends on which ports you require. Most of those I had under Ventura I could finally get installed under Sonoma. But a number of ports will not as yet re-install under Sonoma owing to a change in C compiler flags in Xcode 15 (and Sonoma seems not to allow using an earlier version of Xcode).Not wishing to be pedantic, but the issue is not relating to the compiler, but instead the linker. Xcode 15 switched to a new implementation which has issues in some scenarios, for instance whenever asked to link against object files or dylibs created with GCC. A common reason for this is ports that need to use GCC to build fortran source code. OpenBLAS is a specific example that a number of ports use and thus are having issues linking against. Workarounds exist, basically by using specific linker options to go back to using the so called ‘classic’ linker. The problem is not all builds are easy to convince to use these flags.Cheers ChrisAmong those troublesome ports is sbcl, and unfortunately the maxima port depends on sbcl.
---Murray Eisenberg		murrayeisenb...@gmail.comMobile (413)-427-5334503 King Farm Blvd #101		Rockville, MD 20850-6667	

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Chris Jones]

Hi,On 7 Oct 2023, at 1:12 am, Kevin Horton  wrote:I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.I would not base your opinion on messages to this list, as that is not the recommended way of reporting issues. You should instead check trac for issue related to the new OS. See the link fromMacPortstrac.macports.orgChrisThanks,Kevin Horton

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Murray Eisenberg]

> OnFri, 6 Oct 2023 19:10:39 -0500,Kevin Horton  > wrote:
> 
> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to 
> wait.  Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma?  I have 
> seen a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am 
> wondering whether that is a good reflection of the status.


It depends on which ports you require. Most of those I had under Ventura I 
could finally get installed under Sonoma. 

But a number of ports will not as yet re-install under Sonoma owing to a change 
in C compiler flags in Xcode 15 (and Sonoma seems not to allow using an earlier 
version of Xcode).

Among those troublesome ports is sbcl, and unfortunately the maxima port 
depends on sbcl.

---
Murray Eisenbergmurrayeisenb...@gmail.com
Mobile (413)-427-5334
503 King Farm Blvd #101 
Rockville, MD 20850-6667

Re: Status of Macports on Sonoma?

[Hiep Pham via macports-users]

On Saturday, October 7th, 2023 at 02:10, Kevin Horton  
wrote:


> 
> 
> I'm pondering whether I should upgrade to macOS Sonoma now, or continue to 
> wait. Generally speaking, how well is Macports working on Sonoma? I have seen 
> a surprising small number of issues posted on this list, and am wondering 
> whether that is a good reflection of the status.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin Horton
I started using Macports *after* upgrading to Sonoma. I've seen no problems so 
far with these ports: fish, git, emacs-app, borgbackup, rbenv, etc. I'm using a 
Mac with Intel chip.

Not sure about migrating from Ventura though.

Regards,
Hiep