Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[Bill Cole]

On 2022-01-17 at 16:58:06 UTC-0500 (Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:58:06 +1100 
(EST))

Dave Horsfall 
is rumored to have said:


On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:


Every cell phone provider, or at least just about every US cell phone
provider, has an email to SMS gateway. It's free for someone sending
email to it, not necessarily for the recipient. The problem is you 
have

to know the provider for a given number, and AFAIK, there's no
particularly easy way to do that automatically and scriptably (so you
can generate an email address for the correct gateway). MMS gateways
also exist, although the acceptable MIME types and size/complexity
limits for attachments may be tedious to discover.


I've seen a reference to his before; the receiver pays to receive 
mobile

calls in the USA?


That has not been the case for most people for many years. Way back 
(~2k) some service providers tried to put tolls on SMS and it is still 
legal, but I don't think any major provider still charges to receive 
text messages.



In Australia it's the sender who pays (of course).


Most US providers have stopped charging at all for SMS for most 
customers.



And I believe that mobile phones (what you call cellular phones) don't
have their own prefix?


Right. It's all country code 1 and the "NANP" system of area codes and 
local exchanges (leading 3 digits of 7.)  Many mobile numbers are in 
exchanges first allocated to mobile providers, e.g. my number and all 
others in my area code with the same exchange prefix were first assigned 
to Sprint customers, but after 20y of churn via number portability has 
broken that pattern. It also is somewhat true that area codes (which no 
longer are geographically exclusive) which have the 'traditional' 0 or 1 
as the 2nd digit have the bulk of "landlines" and the newest area codes 
that overlay multiple legacy area codes mostly have mobiles, but that's 
just timing.



We reserve "04" for that; at one time you could
even tell which provider it was, but now you get to keep your number 
when

you change providers.


We never did that in the US because of the random walk under corporate 
influence of our telecom & antitrust policy of the past 5 decades. I'd 
bet that if AT&T had been allowed into mobile service pre-breakup, we'd 
probably have a special prefix or segregated area codes for mobile 
numbers.



But to bring this back on topic...

Alternatives: a service (some free for small volumes only) that can 
send
SMS from a computer.  Or Asterisk plus extensions, to set yourself 
up a
full VoIP PBX...except that will need some paid service too, to 
connect
to. But it will do a lot more than just send (or receive) SMS, it 
could

forward phone calls, with proper hardware interfaces drive either old
fashioned or VoiP phones, etc. It looks like a lot of work and 
learning
as well as expense, though, and really ought to have a dedicated 
server,

too, although that's not absolutely necessary.


We had that in a previous $JOB; if Nagios (a general system monitor)
detected something that triggered a rule then a set of users would 
receive
a brief SMS, sent from a GSM modem.  I looked at this for my own LAN, 
but

it ain't cheap...


One can do similar in the US: get a number from a mobile provider and 
put a SMS-capable CDMA or GSM modem on it. I've seen this done in 
multiple places, but all with bespoke custom drivers so I don't have any 
suggestions for the OP...



--
Bill Cole
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Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[Dave Horsfall]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:

> Every cell phone provider, or at least just about every US cell phone 
> provider, has an email to SMS gateway. It's free for someone sending 
> email to it, not necessarily for the recipient. The problem is you have 
> to know the provider for a given number, and AFAIK, there's no 
> particularly easy way to do that automatically and scriptably (so you 
> can generate an email address for the correct gateway). MMS gateways 
> also exist, although the acceptable MIME types and size/complexity 
> limits for attachments may be tedious to discover.

I've seen a reference to his before; the receiver pays to receive mobile 
calls in the USA?  In Australia it's the sender who pays (of course).  
And I believe that mobile phones (what you call cellular phones) don't 
have their own prefix?  We reserve "04" for that; at one time you could 
even tell which provider it was, but now you get to keep your number when 
you change providers.

But to bring this back on topic...

> Alternatives: a service (some free for small volumes only) that can send 
> SMS from a computer.  Or Asterisk plus extensions, to set yourself up a 
> full VoIP PBX...except that will need some paid service too, to connect 
> to. But it will do a lot more than just send (or receive) SMS, it could 
> forward phone calls, with proper hardware interfaces drive either old 
> fashioned or VoiP phones, etc. It looks like a lot of work and learning 
> as well as expense, though, and really ought to have a dedicated server, 
> too, although that's not absolutely necessary.

We had that in a previous $JOB; if Nagios (a general system monitor) 
detected something that triggered a rule then a set of users would receive 
a brief SMS, sent from a GSM modem.  I looked at this for my own LAN, but 
it ain't cheap...

-- Dave

Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[Richard L. Hamilton]

Every cell phone provider, or at least just about every US cell phone provider, 
has an email to SMS gateway. It's free for someone sending email to it, not 
necessarily for the recipient. The problem is you have to know the provider for 
a given number, and AFAIK, there's no particularly easy way to do that 
automatically and scriptably (so you can generate an email address for the 
correct gateway). MMS gateways also exist, although the acceptable MIME types 
and size/complexity limits for attachments may be tedious to discover.

Alternatives: a service (some free for small volumes only) that can send SMS 
from a computer.  Or Asterisk plus extensions, to set yourself up a full VoIP 
PBX...except that will need some paid service too, to connect to. But it will 
do a lot more than just send (or receive) SMS, it could forward phone calls, 
with proper hardware interfaces drive either old fashioned or VoiP phones, etc. 
It looks like a lot of work and learning as well as expense, though, and really 
ought to have a dedicated server, too, although that's not absolutely necessary.

> On Jan 16, 2022, at 23:11, chilli.names...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hope this isn't a dumb comment, but recently noticed on the aggregator an 
> article about sending sms using python.
> 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29915412 
> 
> 
> Does MacPorts have any python at all? I'm kidding.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2022, at 21:31, Ryan Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 10:10, dan d. wrote:
>> 
>>> I did a search and found nothing.  Did I miss something?
>> 
>> Need more information. You would like to find software that allows you to 
>> send text messages? If so, that would probably be provided by some service 
>> that you would have to subscribe to, so you should find a service whose 
>> terms and pricing you agree with and then see what software they propose to 
>> use with that service.




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Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[Dave Horsfall]

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There is iMessage, but it's not the same as SMS i.e. you cannot send texts 
to arbitrary mobile phones.

-- Dave

Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[chilli.names...@gmail.com]

Hope this isn't a dumb comment, but recently noticed on the aggregator an 
article about sending sms using python.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29915412

Does MacPorts have any python at all? I'm kidding.



> On Jan 16, 2022, at 21:31, Ryan Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 10:10, dan d. wrote:
> 
>> I did a search and found nothing.  Did I miss something?
> 
> Need more information. You would like to find software that allows you to 
> send text messages? If so, that would probably be provided by some service 
> that you would have to subscribe to, so you should find a service whose terms 
> and pricing you agree with and then see what software they propose to use 
> with that service.

Re: Sms for text messages in macports

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Jan 15, 2022, at 10:10, dan d. wrote:

> I did a search and found nothing.  Did I miss something?

Need more information. You would like to find software that allows you to send 
text messages? If so, that would probably be provided by some service that you 
would have to subscribe to, so you should find a service whose terms and 
pricing you agree with and then see what software they propose to use with that 
service.

Sms for text messages in macports

[dan d.]

I did a search and found nothing.  Did I miss something?

Thanks.

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