Re: Safari Sounds

[william lomas]

at least in snowleopard you can tell voiceover to indicate when it has  
loaded by saying page has x links, 4 frames etc. etc.

On 7 Aug 2009, at 07:46, Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> and yes yes yes here too. I miss the presence of the sound when it
> doesn't happen. It's a random occurrence but it makes me sit there
> waiting for it while the page's already loaded.
>
> best wishes
>
> Simon
> On 7 Aug 2009, at 02:30, rayna424 wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes yes yes. I have been noticing this as of late. Its not with any
>> specific web page. It seems to happen at random. I'm so used to
>> hearing the page load sound, that I don't hear it and think my
>> internet is being slow. I just now turned on group mode to play with
>> it, and its not playing loading sounds it all, it seems. You are not
>> the only one noticing this.
>>
>> Rayna
>>
>> Barry Hadder wrote:
>>> I'm just wondering if anybody else has noticed that in many  
>>> instances
>>> the page load sound doesn't occur.  An example is www.lioncourt.com.
>>> I think it's more tied to VO as the status text under the VO cursor
>>> doesn't seem to update while a page is loading, but when I place the
>>> mouse over it, I see that it is.
>>>
>>> Aside from the fact that it is a little bit of a nuisance, my main
>>> concern is whether or not the page is loading correctly.  It has
>>> seemed to me that group mode has been much more inconsistent as of
>>> late.  Of course, it's good that it isn't crashing all the time.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any comments or solutions.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: prices gone up

[william lomas]

99 as well in the UK but they used to be 79
On 7 Aug 2009, at 03:53, rayna424 wrote:

>
> How much are they now? I'm still seeing 0.99 and 1.29 per song. Are
> they more than that in the UK?
>
> william lomas wrote:
>> ah damn the prices per song now are way to expensive now forget it  
>> lol
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2009, at 13:53, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When iTunes dropped DRM, they let the copyright holders pick prices
>>> for songs and albums  so they will probably not all be the same
>>> anymore.
>>> On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:48 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>>

hi why have the itunes prices for single tracks gone up in the UK?
 any ideas?


>
>>>
>>>

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Re: Safari Sounds

[Simon Cavendish]

and yes yes yes here too. I miss the presence of the sound when it  
doesn't happen. It's a random occurrence but it makes me sit there  
waiting for it while the page's already loaded.

best wishes

Simon
On 7 Aug 2009, at 02:30, rayna424 wrote:

>
> Yes yes yes. I have been noticing this as of late. Its not with any
> specific web page. It seems to happen at random. I'm so used to
> hearing the page load sound, that I don't hear it and think my
> internet is being slow. I just now turned on group mode to play with
> it, and its not playing loading sounds it all, it seems. You are not
> the only one noticing this.
>
> Rayna
>
> Barry Hadder wrote:
>> I'm just wondering if anybody else has noticed that in many instances
>> the page load sound doesn't occur.  An example is www.lioncourt.com.
>> I think it's more tied to VO as the status text under the VO cursor
>> doesn't seem to update while a page is loading, but when I place the
>> mouse over it, I see that it is.
>>
>> Aside from the fact that it is a little bit of a nuisance, my main
>> concern is whether or not the page is loading correctly.  It has
>> seemed to me that group mode has been much more inconsistent as of
>> late.  Of course, it's good that it isn't crashing all the time.
>>
>> I would appreciate any comments or solutions.
>>
>> Thanks.
> >


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how do I deleete book marks with vo?

[hank smith]

hello how do I deleete book marks with vo? am using latest version of  
safari

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Re: mail busy?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jessi,

First of all, you should always back up your machine or one day,  
you'll lose everything! Time Machine makes this easy for you so,  
please think about getting yourself an external hard drive to use as a  
Time Machine backup.


As for your machine running slow, have you repaired permissions  
lately? If not, open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder (Command- 
Shift-u). select your HD from the table, select the First Aid tab and  
click Repair Disk Permissions. It may take ten minutes or more.

You could also try zapping the PRAM. To do this, shut down your  
computer, then hold down Command, Option, p and r and press the Power  
key. Keep all four keys held down until you've heard the startup chime  
at least 3 times. Then let go of the keys and your machine will boot  
normally.

Also, check how full your HD is. To do this, do Get Info (Command-i)  
on the name of your HD, interact with the scroll area and navigate  
right until you hear Capacity (giving you the size of your HD, then  
Available (giving you the space available. If your HD is 90% full or  
mor, you might think about archiving some data on an external HD or  
some other device.

HTH

Cheers,

Anne

On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:24 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> hey guys
>
> so I think my poor macbook is rebelling against me or something lol. I
> love him to death and am so glad he's not a pc, but he's just acting
> strange!! first the spotlight issue, which I still haven't been able
> to get resolved...I looked at the page Felix sent me and my head just
> about exploded while looking at the instructions...the terminal scares
> me!! I don't know at all how to use it and if I messed something up, I
> don't have money to be taking poor mac into the apple store for
> fixing!! so, I dunno what I'm gonna do there...maybe I'll google for
> some more Jess friendly instructions? lol.
>
> but lately I've also noticed that mail has been busy a lot while
> writing messages. I just went and emptied my trash folders for both of
> my addresses and that seems to have fixed it for the moment, but is
> there a way to back up emails? I'd like to back up my sent messages
> and then i could empty mail out even more and it would be even less
> bogged down. I'm way too sentimental and like to keep sent messages,
> lol.
>
> thanks!!
> Jessi and Goldina
>
> >


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Re: mail busy?

[Jessi and Goldina]

hmmm yeah, I think I remember them talking about that on the mac geek  
gab podcast. great podcast, btw!! for those who aren't subscribed I  
definitely recommend that one!!

does superduper back up old email messages? where do I get it from and  
if it's not free, which I'm assuming it isn't, how much is it?
On 6-Aug-09, at 10:46 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
>  Hi Jessi, as far as I know, TIme Machine does back up old emails,
> but getting to them, and being able to restore them is a little
> tricky.  Haven't been able to figure that out.  What you might look
> into is getting superduper to back up your stuff.
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:
>
>>
>> hey guys
>>
>> so I think my poor macbook is rebelling against me or something  
>> lol. I
>> love him to death and am so glad he's not a pc, but he's just acting
>> strange!! first the spotlight issue, which I still haven't been able
>> to get resolved...I looked at the page Felix sent me and my head just
>> about exploded while looking at the instructions...the terminal  
>> scares
>> me!! I don't know at all how to use it and if I messed something  
>> up, I
>> don't have money to be taking poor mac into the apple store for
>> fixing!! so, I dunno what I'm gonna do there...maybe I'll google for
>> some more Jess friendly instructions? lol.
>>
>> but lately I've also noticed that mail has been busy a lot while
>> writing messages. I just went and emptied my trash folders for both  
>> of
>> my addresses and that seems to have fixed it for the moment, but is
>> there a way to back up emails? I'd like to back up my sent messages
>> and then i could empty mail out even more and it would be even less
>> bogged down. I'm way too sentimental and like to keep sent messages,
>> lol.
>>
>> thanks!!
>> Jessi and Goldina
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mail busy?

[Dan Eickmeier]

  Hi Jessi, as far as I know, TIme Machine does back up old emails,  
but getting to them, and being able to restore them is a little  
tricky.  Haven't been able to figure that out.  What you might look  
into is getting superduper to back up your stuff.
On Aug 7, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Jessi and Goldina wrote:

>
> hey guys
>
> so I think my poor macbook is rebelling against me or something lol. I
> love him to death and am so glad he's not a pc, but he's just acting
> strange!! first the spotlight issue, which I still haven't been able
> to get resolved...I looked at the page Felix sent me and my head just
> about exploded while looking at the instructions...the terminal scares
> me!! I don't know at all how to use it and if I messed something up, I
> don't have money to be taking poor mac into the apple store for
> fixing!! so, I dunno what I'm gonna do there...maybe I'll google for
> some more Jess friendly instructions? lol.
>
> but lately I've also noticed that mail has been busy a lot while
> writing messages. I just went and emptied my trash folders for both of
> my addresses and that seems to have fixed it for the moment, but is
> there a way to back up emails? I'd like to back up my sent messages
> and then i could empty mail out even more and it would be even less
> bogged down. I'm way too sentimental and like to keep sent messages,
> lol.
>
> thanks!!
> Jessi and Goldina
>
> >


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Re: mail busy?

[Jessi and Goldina]

I dunno...I've never used time machine. probably wouldn't hurt,  
though!! hmmm.
On 6-Aug-09, at 10:36 PM, Mark Baxter wrote:

>
> When you do a backup with Time Machine, does it back up old E-mail
> messages?  I've never look.  In preferences, you can set Mail to empty
> deleted messages every two weeks or week or whatever.  Find me if
> something else is going whacky and maybe we can talk our way through  
> it.
>
>
> Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> My home page:
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: mail busy?

[Mark Baxter]

When you do a backup with Time Machine, does it back up old E-mail  
messages?  I've never look.  In preferences, you can set Mail to empty  
deleted messages every two weeks or week or whatever.  Find me if  
something else is going whacky and maybe we can talk our way through it.


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mail busy?

[Jessi and Goldina]

hey guys

so I think my poor macbook is rebelling against me or something lol. I  
love him to death and am so glad he's not a pc, but he's just acting  
strange!! first the spotlight issue, which I still haven't been able  
to get resolved...I looked at the page Felix sent me and my head just  
about exploded while looking at the instructions...the terminal scares  
me!! I don't know at all how to use it and if I messed something up, I  
don't have money to be taking poor mac into the apple store for  
fixing!! so, I dunno what I'm gonna do there...maybe I'll google for  
some more Jess friendly instructions? lol.

but lately I've also noticed that mail has been busy a lot while  
writing messages. I just went and emptied my trash folders for both of  
my addresses and that seems to have fixed it for the moment, but is  
there a way to back up emails? I'd like to back up my sent messages  
and then i could empty mail out even more and it would be even less  
bogged down. I'm way too sentimental and like to keep sent messages,  
lol.

thanks!!
Jessi and Goldina

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deleting unwanted audio tracks from video files?

[John J Herzog]

Hi listers,
Is there an accessible program that can remove unwanted audio tracks  
from movie files? There are some shows I have with both english and  
Spanish sound tracks. Though I can get whatever I want to play through  
vlc, quicktime only plays the spanish audio. Is there an accessible  
program that will remove the unwanted audio track? Preferably, I don't  
want to transcode the video, since this would result in a loss of  
quality. I just want to remove the undesireable Spanish track.

Thanks for your help in advance,

John 

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Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi,

You can grab the sdk on the apple site

http://developer.apple.com/iPhone/program/download.html

Its a 2 gig download so make sure you know what you're doing before
venturing into this. If you do know. then forgive my pretense :)

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RE: mac mini without monitor and set up

[Frank Ventura]

Yes I set up the Mini we have here without any sighted assistance. I did
not have a monitor attached. Just let it boot and try the command F5 to
launch VO.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Howarth
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: mac mini without monitor and set up


Hey,
I already have a macbook and I'm thinking of getting a mac mini. I  
know if you don't have the monitor you need the adapter to make the  
mini think there is one to prevent sluggish behaviour. My question is,  
how would you set up the mac independently without sighted assistance?  
I had to have someone hit the start voice over assistive set up thing  
on my mac book when I got it. but if you don't have a monitor, can  
this be achieved some way? I've never reinstalled my leopard yet,  
although I understand it can be done. simply, can I set up my mac mini  
without sighted assistance?
thanks Marie




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RE: running leopard on a pc?

[Frank Ventura]

Where can you buy OSX Server software without having to purchase it with
xserv hardware. I would love to virtualize a server role.

Frank

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: running leopard on a pc?

 

VMWare supports running OSX Server in a VM but last time I tired to move
one of these VMs to my Windows box it failed to launch so they must be
tying it to running in Fusion on Mac hardware somehow. I'm sure there's
hackery somewhere that would lift this restriction but that restriction
is in place but I'm sure that restriction is in place to keep things
legal. Here is their blog post about it from last January:

http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/2008/01/virtual-leopa-1.html

CB

ben mustill-rose wrote: 

In order for this to work, you would have to obtain a modified osx
image that is floating around the internet. There are reports of
people running these in vm's but the biggist problem that your going
to run into is hardware incompatabilities.
If I were in your situation, I would look up if your hardware has ever
run leopard before (Google osx86), download a leopard disk image and
then set up a dule boot. I know its a bit more hassle in the end, but
it goes with out saying that leopard will have more resources
available to it if you do go this rout as apposed to running it in a
vm.
 
On 25/07/2009, Barry Hadder 
  wrote:
  

I remember reading somewhere that vmware used to have something
for
the pc a few years ago that would run mac os.  They pulled it
though
due to threats they got from Apple.
 
On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:05 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
 


I really don't think that'll work. As far as I know
there isn't a VM
that emulates EFI (extensible firmware interface.)
However, I could
be wrong.
 
  

From: gene5...@austin.rr.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: running leopard on a pc?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:02:32 -0500
 
 
Hi, I have vmware for windows as well as my
ibook, and some other


people on
  

another list I'm on are trying to run leopard on
the pc under


vmware and I
  

was trying it to but I don't know if it is
possible or not, I


chose other as
  

the os because there isn't an option for the mac
os.
 
 
 
 


 


 
 
  



 


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Re: Safari Sounds

[patrickneazer]

Hello there:

Just chiming in. It happens here as well. No loading sound and the  
website does not matter.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:30 PM, rayna424 wrote:

>
> Yes yes yes. I have been noticing this as of late. Its not with any
> specific web page. It seems to happen at random. I'm so used to
> hearing the page load sound, that I don't hear it and think my
> internet is being slow. I just now turned on group mode to play with
> it, and its not playing loading sounds it all, it seems. You are not
> the only one noticing this.
>
> Rayna
>
> Barry Hadder wrote:
>> I'm just wondering if anybody else has noticed that in many instances
>> the page load sound doesn't occur.  An example is www.lioncourt.com.
>> I think it's more tied to VO as the status text under the VO cursor
>> doesn't seem to update while a page is loading, but when I place the
>> mouse over it, I see that it is.
>>
>> Aside from the fact that it is a little bit of a nuisance, my main
>> concern is whether or not the page is loading correctly.  It has
>> seemed to me that group mode has been much more inconsistent as of
>> late.  Of course, it's good that it isn't crashing all the time.
>>
>> I would appreciate any comments or solutions.
>>
>> Thanks.
> >

Take good care and I wish you enough.

Love

Me


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Re: prices gone up

[rayna424]

How much are they now? I'm still seeing 0.99 and 1.29 per song. Are
they more than that in the UK?

william lomas wrote:
> ah damn the prices per song now are way to expensive now forget it lol
>
> On 6 Aug 2009, at 13:53, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>
> >
> > When iTunes dropped DRM, they let the copyright holders pick prices
> > for songs and albums  so they will probably not all be the same
> > anymore.
> > On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:48 AM, william lomas wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>hi why have the itunes prices for single tracks gone up in the UK?
> >> any ideas?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > >
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Re: Book Resource

[Greg Kearney]

We offer most of the Apple manuals in DAISY, braille and other  
formats. www.cucat.org

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
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Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
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Email: gkear...@gmail.com

On 06/08/2009, at 4:29 PM, hank smith wrote:

>
> any other way to get it besides book share?
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> Thanks very much for this resource.  I went to bookshare and grabbed
>> it and
>> will be reading it on my Icon BP.  I noticed there were 2 books, one
>> for
>> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded.  Sounds
>> like this
>> will be right up my alley!
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Safari Sounds

[rayna424]

Yes yes yes. I have been noticing this as of late. Its not with any
specific web page. It seems to happen at random. I'm so used to
hearing the page load sound, that I don't hear it and think my
internet is being slow. I just now turned on group mode to play with
it, and its not playing loading sounds it all, it seems. You are not
the only one noticing this.

Rayna

Barry Hadder wrote:
> I'm just wondering if anybody else has noticed that in many instances
> the page load sound doesn't occur.  An example is www.lioncourt.com.
> I think it's more tied to VO as the status text under the VO cursor
> doesn't seem to update while a page is loading, but when I place the
> mouse over it, I see that it is.
>
> Aside from the fact that it is a little bit of a nuisance, my main
> concern is whether or not the page is loading correctly.  It has
> seemed to me that group mode has been much more inconsistent as of
> late.  Of course, it's good that it isn't crashing all the time.
>
> I would appreciate any comments or solutions.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: when closing lid

[rayna424]

This is odd...I have about 9 bump dots on my keys and this never
happens to me. However, I got in the habit of putting it to sleep
before shutting the lid...I just hit the power button once quickly and
then select "sleep". It sleeps and then I close the lid. I don't think
this would make a difference though...again, strange. some of my dots
are kinda tall, but they never interfere with sleeping.
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Re: To those who use Group Mode please

[rayna424]

Oooh gotcha, ok, so group mode is just for web browsing then? I was
afraid it would change VO or something. Thank you thank you thank
you!!!

Barry Hadder wrote:
> Open Voiceover utility with VO-f8, arrow down until you hear web in
> the categories, tab, change the radio button from dom to group.
>
> Items on a web page are grouped together in several groups.  You don't
> have to move through each item at a time.  If you don't like it, you
> can change it back.
>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:48 PM, rayna424 wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I had an earlier thread about group mode, asking exactly what its for,
> > what things change when you use it, and how to turn it on. The only
> > thing discussed was if there would be a short cut to this in SL.
> >
> > So, if you use group mode, and you respond? I'm afraid to switch to it
> > if there are a lot of changes causing me not to get back to the
> > original mode. Any experience with group mode is appreciated, and/or
> > links to articles about it. I'd really appreciate it...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rayna
> > >
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RE: Snow Leopard for $10 for new Mac users

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Anna,

I just learned this today from the rep at Apple.  I also learned that if I
purchase my laptop from Apple directly as opposed to from the local Apple
store, I can customize the laptop in terms of the size of hard drive I
purchase.  That cannot occur in the store, but can from Apple directly, so I
think that's what I'll do.  Not sure if I'm going to wait for Snow Leopard
to come out or not regarding my purchase.

Les 

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Subject: Snow Leopard for $10 for new Mac users


Hi,

I just learned that if you bought your Mac on June 8 or later, you can
update to Snow Leopard for $9.95 plus tax. I couldn't do it online
unfortunately because they couldn't find my serial number for some reason,
so I'm having to print out and mail in the order form, but it's a great
deal. to learn more, visit www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ Note that you have
to get your order in within 90 days of purchase.  
Also, if you end up having to mail it in, you have to send a copy of your
receipt.

Best,
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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Scott Howell]

Well, I guess it just goes to show that maybe starting at the very  
simplest thing and gradually working up to a reinstall makes more  
sense. :)  I took a mid-size hammer to a smaller problem. :)  Well  
hey, at least I learned something new today and thanks.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> I got bit by it as well.  I reinstalled Leopard and the whole  works.
> It was only a year later that I figured out what it was.
>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> Well Barry I'll b damned, that was exactly the issue.  Huh, well that
>> is really curious because it never occurred to me to check this to be
>> honest since I just didn't make that connection between the usb and
>> laptop keyboard.  Of course I also stumped the Apple folks as
>> well. :)  Funny, I can't even remember when these got turned on and  
>> so
>> it goes to show the simplest things can really get you.  Here I was
>> ready to jump through all sorts of hoops and so thank you very much.
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like you have mouse keys turned on.  Try hitting the option
>>> five times.  You can also turn them off in universal access/mouse  
>>> and
>>> trackpad.
>>>
>>> Sorry if you've all ready tried this, but that's sure what it sounds
>>> like so I decided to mention it in case you haven't.
>>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>

 All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
 geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
 MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
 since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The
 other
 day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of
 the
 letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
 before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
 account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
 everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,
 then
 I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now
 the
 weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
 affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
 install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk  
 and
 it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had
 no
 affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is
 causing
 the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already
 been
 there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it  
 would
 be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
 trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
 issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
 certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is
 the
 problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the  
 system
 and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
 first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to  
 avoid
 doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and
 find
 a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
 painful process since it would take quite a while. :)

 THanks,

>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Barry Hadder]

I got bit by it as well.  I reinstalled Leopard and the whole  works.   
It was only a year later that I figured out what it was.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Well Barry I'll b damned, that was exactly the issue.  Huh, well that
> is really curious because it never occurred to me to check this to be
> honest since I just didn't make that connection between the usb and
> laptop keyboard.  Of course I also stumped the Apple folks as
> well. :)  Funny, I can't even remember when these got turned on and so
> it goes to show the simplest things can really get you.  Here I was
> ready to jump through all sorts of hoops and so thank you very much.
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like you have mouse keys turned on.  Try hitting the option
>> five times.  You can also turn them off in universal access/mouse and
>> trackpad.
>>
>> Sorry if you've all ready tried this, but that's sure what it sounds
>> like so I decided to mention it in case you haven't.
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The
>>> other
>>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of  
>>> the
>>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,
>>> then
>>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now
>>> the
>>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had  
>>> no
>>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is  
>>> causing
>>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already
>>> been
>>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is  
>>> the
>>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and
>>> find
>>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>>>
>>> THanks,
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Scott Howell]

Hey Esther, Barry was right and having mouse keys on without realizing  
it really did cause the problem.  What is really interesting is that  
upon first booting the machine, I could log into my account and the  
mouse keys of course were on, so sure enough things behaved oddly or  
as they should.  Now what is curious is if I logged out, I couldn't  
login using the MBP's keyboard, only the external keyboard and just as  
true once I logged into the test account after logging out of my own  
account, the mouse keys appeared to be on.  I have some testing to do,  
but it seems that if a user logs out, the universal settings should  
not persist.

Thanks,
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Barry's explanation that you might have mouse keys turned on seems
> plausible. I tried an experiment where I connected an external
> keyboard to the USB port of my MacBook and pressed the ALT/Option key
> 5 times. That had the weird side effect of enabling mouse keys on my
> laptop keyboard, but still allowing me to type as usual through the
> attached external keyboard.  I could disable mouse keys mode by
> pressing the ALT/Option key 5 times quickly on the external keyboard,
> or by pressing the option key on my MacBook keyboard 5 times quickly
> in succession. You could try going to System Preferences and checking
> the box for "Show Universal Access status in the menu bar" on any of
> the Universal Access menu tabs.  Then you're always able to go to the
> status menu bar (with either Control-F8 or VO-M twice), right arrow to
> the Universal Access menu, and arrow down to read the status of
> Universal Access features or open the Universal Access Preferences
> from this menu.  I know that you don't need this to tell you that
> VoiceOver is turned on, but if you've ever configured a Mac for a low-
> vision user or someone who needs to use sticky keys this menu is great
> to have enabled.  Not only can you tell whether an accessibility
> feature is turned on, but you can easily get to the Universal Access
> menu to modify its settings from this menu.
>
> If having mouse keys turned on is not the reason for your inability to
> use the regular keys on your MBP keyboard when logged into your
> account, then the most likely explanation is that one of the
> preference files under your individual user account is corrupted.
> That would explain why things work when you are in the test user
> account but not in your own account.  I don't know which plist file is
> likely to be the culprit.  You could try removing
> com.apple.systempreferences.plist under the Library/Preferences folder
> for your account.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Barry Hadder wrote:
>
>>
>> Sounds like you have mouse keys turned on.  Try hitting the option
>> five times.  You can also turn them off in universal access/mouse and
>> trackpad.
>>
>> Sorry if you've all ready tried this, but that's sure what it sounds
>> like so I decided to mention it in case you haven't.
>>
>
>> Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The
>>> other
>>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of  
>>> the
>>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,
>>> then
>>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now
>>> the
>>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had  
>>> no
>>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is  
>>> causing
>>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already
>>> been
>>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is  
>>> the
>>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and
>>> find
>>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :

Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Scott Howell]

Hey thanks, I sure did and I was about ready to go to some really  
extreme actions, but luckily the answer was presented and saved me a  
load of work.  However, what is really curious is that mouse keys  
obviously persist from the first user to all subsequent users it  
seems.  That just doesn't make sense.  I've got a bit of testing to  
do  now that I understand the situation.

tnx,
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

>
> Hi scott.
>
> Have you checked if there are any applications which starts up when
> you log onto your user? Yu can check that in the accounts settings in
> System preferences.
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On 06/08/2009, at 01.00, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The  
>> other
>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of the
>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,  
>> then
>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now  
>> the
>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had no
>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is causing
>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already  
>> been
>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is the
>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and  
>> find
>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>>
>> THanks,
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: when closing lid

[Charlie Doremus]

Did you do something to the aforementioned keys, like add dots? All  
qwerty keyboards have markings on the F & J but not on spacebar. Seems  
strange machine will not sleep.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:17 PM, "Frank Ventura"  wrote:

> I cannot sleep our MacBook Air since I have a small bump dot on the  
> F and J and one on the backspace. When I close the lid it hits the  
> bump dots and presses the keys causing it to stay awake.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: when closing lid
>
>
>
> Are there any situations when it doesn't do this? I ask because a  
> few days ago I closed the lid, wanting it to go to sleep, but it  
> didn't. About every 30 seconds, it made that noise that it makes  
> when VO first comes on.
> Donna
>
> From: Marie Howarth 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: when closing lid
>
> hybernating? it's called sleeping on the mac and that is what it  
> does when you close the lid.
>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Not necessarily What if you want it to hybernate? Wouldn't this be  
> in apple>system preferences>Energy Saver?
>
> > From: giantdolp...@gmail.com
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: when closing lid
> > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:22:40 -1000
> >
> >
> > What do you mean "control"? If you close any laptop if goes to sleep
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:14 AM, william lomas
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > hi how do I control the behaviour of the mac when i close the lid
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Scott Howell]

Wow, yeah, I was really considering this, but Barry pointed out mouse  
keys and thankfully it was that simple.  I don't know why this didn't  
occur to me, but well this is really my first notebook since all my  
previous Macs have ben desktops.  So, I learned something new. :)
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

>
> Try renameing your Library folder to Library.save and see if that
> solves the issue. Library has your preference settings, your Mail
> items and lots of other sutff. Depending on your patience and how much
> your system goes nuts, you could either duplicate the Library and then
> start taking out folders or you could work the other way around. I
> would suggest logging in / out after any changes to the folder though.
>
> Jon
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The  
>> other
>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of the
>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,  
>> then
>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now  
>> the
>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had no
>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is causing
>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already  
>> been
>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is the
>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and  
>> find
>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>>
>> THanks,
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Scott Howell]

Well Barry I'll b damned, that was exactly the issue.  Huh, well that  
is really curious because it never occurred to me to check this to be  
honest since I just didn't make that connection between the usb and  
laptop keyboard.  Of course I also stumped the Apple folks as  
well. :)  Funny, I can't even remember when these got turned on and so  
it goes to show the simplest things can really get you.  Here I was  
ready to jump through all sorts of hoops and so thank you very much.
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Sounds like you have mouse keys turned on.  Try hitting the option
> five times.  You can also turn them off in universal access/mouse and
> trackpad.
>
> Sorry if you've all ready tried this, but that's sure what it sounds
> like so I decided to mention it in case you haven't.
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The  
>> other
>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of the
>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,  
>> then
>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now  
>> the
>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had no
>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is causing
>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already  
>> been
>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is the
>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and  
>> find
>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>>
>> THanks,
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: gesturebased navigation on safari for themac?

[Scott Howell]

And to answer the question, you 'll need a multi-touch trackpad, which  
at this time is not available other than on the MacBook.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:26 AM, hank smith wrote:

>
>   
> To control VoiceOver and Safari with gestures, you will have to wait
> for Snow Leopard. This is one of the many great features you will find
> in the new VoiceOver version coming with Snow Leopard in September/
> October, a way to control VoiceOver and all your Mac software by using
> gestures. You can find more info about this in the accessibility pages
> at
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/
>
>
>
> Take care,
> John André
>
>
> Den 5. aug. 2009 kl. 06.32 skrev Yuma Decaux:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've seen on some sites that safari 4 allows gesture based  
>> navigation,
>> but i can't get my hands on it (no pun intended). Is it a feature
>> already available, and how does it present itself? Do i have to go to
>> the safari preferences to activate it, and can i customize my  
>> gestures
>> for various tasks i deem natural to trackput input?
>>
>> Whatever it is, i think this is a great feature as my trackput sits
>> there seldom touched except for the random palm brush as i hit the
>> space bar.
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> >


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RE: when closing lid

[Frank Ventura]

I cannot sleep our MacBook Air since I have a small bump dot on the F
and J and one on the backspace. When I close the lid it hits the bump
dots and presses the keys causing it to stay awake.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: when closing lid

 

Are there any situations when it doesn't do this? I ask because a few
days ago I closed the lid, wanting it to go to sleep, but it didn't.
About every 30 seconds, it made that noise that it makes when VO first
comes on.
Donna



From: Marie Howarth 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: when closing lid

hybernating? it's called sleeping on the mac and that is what it does
when you close the lid.

 

On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:





Not necessarily What if you want it to hybernate? Wouldn't this be in
apple>system preferences>Energy Saver?
 
> From: giantdolp...@gmail.com
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: when closing lid
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:22:40 -1000
> 
> 
> What do you mean "control"? If you close any laptop if goes to sleep
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:14 AM, william lomas 
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> > hi how do I control the behaviour of the mac when i close the lid
> >
> >
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> 
> 



 






 


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Re: To those who use Group Mode please

[Barry Hadder]

Open Voiceover utility with VO-f8, arrow down until you hear web in  
the categories, tab, change the radio button from dom to group.

Items on a web page are grouped together in several groups.  You don't  
have to move through each item at a time.  If you don't like it, you  
can change it back.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:48 PM, rayna424 wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I had an earlier thread about group mode, asking exactly what its for,
> what things change when you use it, and how to turn it on. The only
> thing discussed was if there would be a short cut to this in SL.
>
> So, if you use group mode, and you respond? I'm afraid to switch to it
> if there are a lot of changes causing me not to get back to the
> original mode. Any experience with group mode is appreciated, and/or
> links to articles about it. I'd really appreciate it...
>
> Thanks,
> Rayna
> >


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To those who use Group Mode please

[rayna424]

Hi all,

I had an earlier thread about group mode, asking exactly what its for,
what things change when you use it, and how to turn it on. The only
thing discussed was if there would be a short cut to this in SL.

So, if you use group mode, and you respond? I'm afraid to switch to it
if there are a lot of changes causing me not to get back to the
original mode. Any experience with group mode is appreciated, and/or
links to articles about it. I'd really appreciate it...

Thanks,
Rayna
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Re: google voice problem resolved

[rayna424]

This isn't directly related to Google talk or whatever, but in
response to not finding the continue button.

I had this problem on mlb.com, trying to sign in to use Gameday audio.
There was no 'continue" or "submit" button anywhere and I even called
customer service. She could see the button, my boyfriend could see it,
but VO did not. Finally I just entered the information and hit return
and voila. it worked. There is no need on mlb.com anyway to find the
submit button, because just hitting return works fine. Maybe that
would work with this too?

Just a thought.
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Safari Sounds

[Barry Hadder]

I'm just wondering if anybody else has noticed that in many instances  
the page load sound doesn't occur.  An example is www.lioncourt.com.   
I think it's more tied to VO as the status text under the VO cursor  
doesn't seem to update while a page is loading, but when I place the  
mouse over it, I see that it is.

Aside from the fact that it is a little bit of a nuisance, my main  
concern is whether or not the page is loading correctly.  It has  
seemed to me that group mode has been much more inconsistent as of  
late.  Of course, it's good that it isn't crashing all the time.

I would appreciate any comments or solutions.

Thanks.


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Re: Snow Leopard for $10 for new Mac users

[Kane]

Hi,

Oh, yeah, I did the same thing just today. I found the website for my
country, because otherwise I would not have been able to purchase it.
It's understandable about the receipt, however. I even believe it
actually tells you to send it along whether you fax it or email it in
the disclaimer. At least, it does on the site I used. I'm excited.

On Aug 7, 12:27 am, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just learned that if you bought your Mac on June 8 or later, you can  
> update to Snow Leopard for $9.95 plus tax. I couldn't do it online  
> unfortunately because they couldn't find my serial number for some  
> reason, so I'm having to print out and mail in the order form, but  
> it's a great deal. to learn more, visitwww.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
> Note that you have to get your order in within 90 days of purchase.  
> Also, if you end up having to mail it in, you have to send a copy of  
> your receipt.
>
> Best,
> Anna
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Snow Leopard for $10 for new Mac users

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I just learned that if you bought your Mac on June 8 or later, you can  
update to Snow Leopard for $9.95 plus tax. I couldn't do it online  
unfortunately because they couldn't find my serial number for some  
reason, so I'm having to print out and mail in the order form, but  
it's a great deal. to learn more, visit
www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
Note that you have to get your order in within 90 days of purchase.  
Also, if you end up having to mail it in, you have to send a copy of  
your receipt.

Best,
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Re: google voice problem resolved

[Buddy Brannan]

I'd just like to *get* Google Voice. I'm still waiting for my invite. :(


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Re: A question about iPhone

[Chris Blouch]

On this specific thing or on the iPhone in general?

CB

Christian wrote:
> Hi,
> OK, any good tutorial or podcast i may listen to?
>
>
>
> On 2009-07-30 at 17:10 Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>   
>> Well, with voiceover on you can then follow the instructions here to 
>> turn it back off:
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3577
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Christian wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> OK, but how do i close an application so that i can turn voiceover off
>>>   
>> before I leave the store? smile. Don't know what they will say if i leave
>> that on, hahaha.
>> 
>>> On 2009-07-30 at 16:12 Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Turning the iPhone to Aircraft mode will turn off all wireless  
 activity including the phone.  If you want Blue Tooth, WiFi or 3G,  
 though, I think the phone needs to be on as well.
 On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:37 PM, william lomas wrote:

 
 
> i think the phone and PDA functions are all as one but I could be  
> wrong
> WIll
>
> On 30 Jul 2009, at 17:02, Christian wrote:
>
>   
>   
>> Hi all,
>> i have just subscribed to this list and maybe this has already been
>> asked but i just want to know.
>> Tomorrow I am going to have a look at the iPhone. I have been using
>> a Windows mobile phone for some time now and have a few questions.
>> Is it possible to use the phones features without turning the actual
>> phone on like the calendar and so on?
>> Also, in the voicememo, is it possible to change recording format?
>> Many thanks,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>   
>   
 
 
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>>>   
   
 
>> 
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Re: the advent of audio/tactile games for the VIPs

[hank smith]

where can you get the sdk at? and is it hard to learn?
I like your game idea and await it

On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just as an addendum to this conversation, i was "meditating" of sorts
> about some game theory and the controls of a game app which could be
> ported to a gprs/navigation application. Here goes:
>
> 1 The 3d positional audio used on two vectors of sound propagation.
>
> I will give an example of an RTS game for this concept.
>
> Since i think relating the true distance of a sound from the back or
> the front could be quite daunting, to the least having a high learning
> curve, i was thinking  that spatial references can be laid out on a
> bird's eye view perspective. IE: front and back= top and bottom while
> left and right stay the same.
> If i imagined this as a physical boundary, the x and y axises would be
> quote flattened unquote to y and z axises. So an object at one's back
> at the limit of the set boundary of spatial dimension, the sound would
> be heard at the bottom, or the chin area of the wearer. whilst the
> opposite would be heard at the top of the forehead. left and right
> would retain their relative positions, but the difference would be
> felt when an object is ahead on a diagonal position. That would
> translate to a top/left audio cue and so forth.
> I think of this application or flattening of sound as most of the time
> when we are walking around, we take much less notice of height factors
> as unless we are as taller than basket ball players, we don't often
> have to crouch to walk somewhere.
> So going back to the RTS game, if we have this flat two axis
> representation of space over a map, the one channel whoch would be
> back can be used for, well...background or ambient sounds. Cues would
> be relevant to such things as the type of terrain one is in, etc. And
> the front audio within a central boundary would represent unit
> responses and general game command voice responses.
>
> 2 controls and gestures.
> Taking the rts element to the table, the main advantage paused for
> controls which can be easily accessed without cluttering the actual
> space of the screen would be using the rotor for various menus and
> functions. For instance,
> one finger drag=feel around the game space with audio cues on hitting
> an object or contextual item
> 2 finger dragaround screen to displace the map to the opposite
> direction of the fingers being dragged to explore more of the map
> 3 finger drag for faster scroll of the map area
> 2 finger rotor once tapped on an object for actions choice: patrol,
> attack/ build, etc...Each instance of a double-tap would go one level
> deeper into the contextual menu for choosing for example which
> building to build and the sorts.
> 3 finger rotor for other behavioral actions or quote special unquote  
> abilities.
> 1 finger flick once double tapped on an object slash soldier=
> selecting the next or previous unit
> 2 finger flick= selection of next building
>
> and the list goes on.
>
> I will continue to add to this as i think through the possibilities,
> sort of a diary to myself as well so i can gather all the notes for
> eventually starting the programming part once i get my hands on that
> SDK :)
>
> Hope i'm not a total bore...
>
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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Esther]

Hi Scott,

Barry's explanation that you might have mouse keys turned on seems  
plausible. I tried an experiment where I connected an external  
keyboard to the USB port of my MacBook and pressed the ALT/Option key  
5 times. That had the weird side effect of enabling mouse keys on my  
laptop keyboard, but still allowing me to type as usual through the  
attached external keyboard.  I could disable mouse keys mode by  
pressing the ALT/Option key 5 times quickly on the external keyboard,  
or by pressing the option key on my MacBook keyboard 5 times quickly  
in succession. You could try going to System Preferences and checking  
the box for "Show Universal Access status in the menu bar" on any of  
the Universal Access menu tabs.  Then you're always able to go to the  
status menu bar (with either Control-F8 or VO-M twice), right arrow to  
the Universal Access menu, and arrow down to read the status of  
Universal Access features or open the Universal Access Preferences  
from this menu.  I know that you don't need this to tell you that  
VoiceOver is turned on, but if you've ever configured a Mac for a low- 
vision user or someone who needs to use sticky keys this menu is great  
to have enabled.  Not only can you tell whether an accessibility  
feature is turned on, but you can easily get to the Universal Access  
menu to modify its settings from this menu.

If having mouse keys turned on is not the reason for your inability to  
use the regular keys on your MBP keyboard when logged into your  
account, then the most likely explanation is that one of the  
preference files under your individual user account is corrupted.   
That would explain why things work when you are in the test user  
account but not in your own account.  I don't know which plist file is  
likely to be the culprit.  You could try removing  
com.apple.systempreferences.plist under the Library/Preferences folder  
for your account.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Sounds like you have mouse keys turned on.  Try hitting the option
> five times.  You can also turn them off in universal access/mouse and
> trackpad.
>
> Sorry if you've all ready tried this, but that's sure what it sounds
> like so I decided to mention it in case you haven't.
>

>  Scott Howell wrote:
>
>>
>> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
>> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
>> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
>> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The  
>> other
>> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of the
>> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
>> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
>> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
>> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first,  
>> then
>> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now  
>> the
>> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
>> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
>> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
>> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had no
>> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is causing
>> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already  
>> been
>> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
>> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
>> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
>> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
>> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is the
>> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
>> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
>> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
>> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and  
>> find
>> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
>> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>>
>> THanks,
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: Dictation Software With VO?

[Chris Blouch]

Dunno about dictation software but in the meantime you can keep your 
physical interaction to a minimum using the speech recognition features 
in the Speech settings of System Preferences. Basic stuff like opening a 
new mail, switching to the finder and such can be done via spoken words. 
It's baked into the OS so give it a whirl. Hopefully somebody else has 
suggestions for the dictation software.

CB

Chris Hofstader wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a near legendary case of repetitive stress injuries in both  
> hands, wrists, forearms and shoulders.  For the work I do, I need to  
> generate a whole lot of text.  I tried MacSpeech Dictate and I find  
> that many of its features (especially those borrowed directly from  
> Naturally Speaking for Windows) work poorly with VO.  Most especially,  
> I find that the correction related commands are nearly unusable and,  
> if one doesn't keep the Nuance engine (the heart of the MacSpeech  
> product)  well trained it will, like its Windows counterpart, start to  
> get pretty weird.
>
> This is the only thing that I like better about Vista than OSX/ 
> Leopard.  The Microsoft dictation engine works great with System  
> Access and adequately with Window-Eyes (you need to buy a set of  
> scripts from Brian Hartgen to get it to work nicely with JAWS).  It is  
> a really nice little dictation utility that works especially well in  
> the Office applications.
>
> Are their any other dictation programs out there for Macintosh that we  
> know work well with VO?
>
> A few weeks back, I was trying to solve this same issue and I could  
> have sworn that I found a collection of podcasts about VO and  
> dictation but I can't find them now.  If this wasn't my imagination,  
> and someone else knows of said podcasts, please send me a link.
>
> Thanks,
> cdh
>   
>
> >
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podcast on recording software

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Darcy and Holly,

Any idea when you're going to do the podcast on recording software for  
the Mac? I need to record a podcast on the third generation iPod  
Shuffle, and I'd love to have pointers on good software to try.

Thanks,
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Dictation Software With VO?

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,

I have a near legendary case of repetitive stress injuries in both  
hands, wrists, forearms and shoulders.  For the work I do, I need to  
generate a whole lot of text.  I tried MacSpeech Dictate and I find  
that many of its features (especially those borrowed directly from  
Naturally Speaking for Windows) work poorly with VO.  Most especially,  
I find that the correction related commands are nearly unusable and,  
if one doesn't keep the Nuance engine (the heart of the MacSpeech  
product)  well trained it will, like its Windows counterpart, start to  
get pretty weird.

This is the only thing that I like better about Vista than OSX/ 
Leopard.  The Microsoft dictation engine works great with System  
Access and adequately with Window-Eyes (you need to buy a set of  
scripts from Brian Hartgen to get it to work nicely with JAWS).  It is  
a really nice little dictation utility that works especially well in  
the Office applications.

Are their any other dictation programs out there for Macintosh that we  
know work well with VO?

A few weeks back, I was trying to solve this same issue and I could  
have sworn that I found a collection of podcasts about VO and  
dictation but I can't find them now.  If this wasn't my imagination,  
and someone else knows of said podcasts, please send me a link.

Thanks,
cdh
  

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Re: google voice problem resolved

[louie]

I had to have sighted help to set up google voice. If any one figures  
out how to enter contacts please let the list know.

On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Daniel Crone wrote:

>
> Hello.  Well, I gave it another go, using windows and s a.  Too bad I
> could not find the continue button with Safari.  But that is what
> fusion and running windows is for.
>
> >

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google voice problem resolved

[Daniel Crone]

Hello.  Well, I gave it another go, using windows and s a.  Too bad I  
could not find the continue button with Safari.  But that is what  
fusion and running windows is for.

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Re: prices gone up

[william lomas]

ah damn the prices per song now are way to expensive now forget it lol

On 6 Aug 2009, at 13:53, Chris Hofstader wrote:

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> When iTunes dropped DRM, they let the copyright holders pick prices
> for songs and albums  so they will probably not all be the same  
> anymore.
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:48 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
>>
>>  hi why have the itunes prices for single tracks gone up in the UK?
>> any ideas?
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: alternitive virtulation softwarwe that works with voice over?

[Chris Blouch]

I have Jaws 10 on Fusion working just fine and was on Jaws 9 before 
that. What kind of issues were you running into? The video intercept 
driver crashes Windows on Parallels but seems to also work ok with Sun's 
Virtual Box. VB is free so give it a whirl. The UI isn't as accessible 
but it has a command line interface which can do all the same stuff. 
Fusion seems to be the best choice at the moment as far as an accesible 
VM GUI.

CB

hank smith wrote:
> hello I use fusion vmware fusion that is to run windows when I need to.
> how ever the video with jaws is causing problems am wanting to know of  
> other alternitive voice over friendly virtual machine programs simular  
> to vmware that I can use? if it isn't easy navigatible can I get  
> keyboard shortcuts to get started
> thanks for any help you can give
> Hank
>
> >
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Re: Keyboard Peoblem

[Søren Jensen]

Hi scott.

Have you checked if there are any applications which starts up when  
you log onto your user? Yu can check that in the accounts settings in  
System preferences.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
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On 06/08/2009, at 01.00, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> All, I posted this to another list and must have stumped the
> geniuses.  First let me explain my setup.  I have one of the new
> MacBook Pro 15-inch models.  I generally use an external keyboard
> since I don't always need my machine for portable purposes.  The other
> day I tried using the MBP's keyboard and and realized that all of the
> letters, numbers, spacebar, and caps lock keys do not work.  Now
> before you say hardware, it is not hardware related.  I have a test
> account and 9 out of 10 times I can log into this account and
> everything works as expected. If I log into my own account first, then
> I can't use the MBP's keyboard to log into any other account.  Now the
> weird part is the external keyboard works perfectly and is not
> affected by whatever the hell is going on.  I tried an archive and
> install with no success, I have booted from another Leopard disk and
> it works fine, I even just did the upgrade to 10.5.8, and this had no
> affect on my issue.  I believe there is some software that is causing
> the problem, but I have not located anything that has not already been
> there and this is a new issue.  If anyone has any thoughts, it would
> be appreciated.  I only installed an upgrade to Dragon Burn and a
> trial of Cocktail, which I removed, but do not believe this is the
> issue.  I also did install a copy of ABBYY FineReader and I could
> certainly remove from my system, but again, I don't think this is the
> problem.  There is something being loaded when I log into the system
> and seems to have an impact system-wide in that I have to login
> first.  I could easily rebuild the system, but would prefer to avoid
> doing this if at all possible or I'm going to have to run out and find
> a firewire 800 drive.  Migrating all of my data would be such a
> painful process since it would take quite a while. :)
>
> THanks,
>
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Re: Manually putting music on IPhone using Windows

[Søren Jensen]

Hi Kim.

To manually copy the tracks you want on your Iphone, you can do the  
following:
1: Create a new playlist in Itunes
2: Go into your Iphone preferences from the Itunes program, and choose  
to syncronize with the new playlist you've just created. I don't know  
how to do that in Windows since I'm using Mac.
3: select the tracks you wanna copy to your Iphone
4: right-click and choose to copy the selected tracks to your playlist
5: Go to the menu bar and syncronize your Iphone.

Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
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Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 06/08/2009, at 13.50, Kim Carmichael wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work.  Thanks for trying.  Am I  
> correct
> to think that this can be done using a Mac?  If so, I might be  
> getting mine
> sooner than later.
>
> Thanks
> Kim
>
>
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> Dresner
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Manually putting music on IPhone using Windows
>
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> Here's how to put music on an iPod manually. I assume the same steps  
> would
> work in Windows, though I don't know for certain because I don't  
> have an
> iPhone.
>
> 1. Select the tracks you want to copy.
>
> 2. Type control-C to copy them to the clipboard.
>
> 3. Focus on the iPod's name in the Source list, where Music,  
> Podcasts, etc.
> are listed.
>
> 4. Type Control-V to paste. If that doesn't work, choose Paste from  
> the Edit
> menu.
>
> HTH,
> Anna
>
>
>
>
> >


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google voice, failure

[Daniel Crone]

Hello All.
I tried signing up for google voice.  That service lets one have a  
number which can ring wherever it is needed.
After choosing the number I wanted, I could not find a contenue button  
at all.  Safari would just go to another part of the page.
With Windows, after clicking the contenue button with window-eyes, I  
could not find out where to go or what to do after that.
I think google tools are very unusable.

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Re: prices gone up

[Chris Hofstader]

When iTunes dropped DRM, they let the copyright holders pick prices  
for songs and albums  so they will probably not all be the same anymore.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:48 AM, william lomas wrote:

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>   hi why have the itunes prices for single tracks gone up in the UK?
> any ideas?
>
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Re: Question about iphone maps

[Chris Hofstader]

Hi,


I've had trouble getting the iPhone Maps app to work as I would want  
it to.  I read the chapter on iPhone Maps in the documentation  
(chapter 13) about five times and still cannot figure out how to get  
it to tell me my current location as a street name or something useful  
but, instead, I always seem to hear it in degrees, minutes, seconds  
which would be great if I was in a sailboat somewhere off in the ocean  
but, in Cambridge, it's fairly useless.  Also, I cannot seem to figure  
out how to announce my turns while walking and the documentation is  
ambiguous on this matter.

The biggest technology hurdle involved in turn by turn announcementsis  
that pedestrians rarely walk fast enough (most GPS systems require 5  
mph as their minimum speed) to provide the system with a little bit of  
sloppiness.  The iPhone has a compass and some other nifty little  
items that it can use to calculate  a more accurate "current" position  
and should work reasonably well even if you are standing still.

Of course, because it uses a combination of GPS, mobile phone towers,  
WiFi routers (if you have WiFi turned on) and a few other tricks, it  
is always best to be outdoors when you ask for your current location  
as all sorts of weirdness can happen when you add in the echo effects  
caused by being indoors.

The second major technical hurdle, that even Sendero can't get exactly  
right, is defining the meaning of an intersection.  Almost all GPS  
systems that are designed for an automobile uses the point at the  
center of the rectangle created by the intersection of the two  
streets.  If these are relatively wide streets, that center point may  
be as much as 20 or more meters from the corner on which you are  
standing and a GPS system may say that you are that twenty metrs away  
from its idea of the intersection's location.  A pedestrian sees an  
intersection as four separate corners while much locative software and  
databases only see that center point and, as a result, provide  
directions that one may find misleading.  Knowing this, of course,  
will help you a lot as, assuming you have reasonably good orientation  
skills, you will figure out where the corners are and, at that point,  
use the directional software as a hint more than a precise indicator  
of where you are and what you should do.

None of the above mentioned flaws are Apple's fault.  They all exist  
in the state of the art GPS solutions available for hundreds of  
dollars.  I personally think the Sendero group who licenses their  
engine to a bunch of different AT vendors does a great job as a  
pedestrian oriented system but, as above, they make their share of  
mistakes when precision is important.

I think I heard in one of Shane Jackson's podcasts that one can use an  
external GPS receiver with the iPhone.  If so, I highly recommend the  
Holux 1200 which fits on your key chain and does the best I've ever  
seen and only costs about $50.  I don't know the iPhone Maps program  
on a detailed technical level but, if like most GPS programs, it uses  
the "confidence level" reported by the GPS receiver, the Holux device  
will be an incredible asset to those who rely on GPS for orientation  
purposes.  Also, this is not a slam on Apple, virtually all of the GPS  
receivers built into mobile phones provide far less than optimal  
precision.



On the good side of the app, you can put it into pedestrian mode, type  
in your source and destination or use your current position as the  
source location and it will generate a set of instructions for you.   
On the map page (by default it's a visual representation - maybe, in  
some future version, Apple can change the default to text if VO is  
detected as running)  you will find a button near the bottom that says  
"list" which will turn the map into a list of textual information that  
you can use to plan your walk.

When you go into pedestrian mode, the app tells you that it is still a  
beta and that one should use great caution (or something similar) and,  
in my use, I've found that it, in walking mode, still considers the  
direction of one way streets and doesn't provide optimal walking  
directions as people on foot don't care about which way the automotive  
traffic runs.

I haven't really pounded on the app so I haven't tried rotaries or  
really complex six way intersections which the Boston area made famous.

So, I expect it will get better in the future as virtually all of the  
Apple things seem to do but past performance is not necessarily an  
indicator of future performance (just ask a friend who used to work at  
Lehman Brothers).

Over the past few years, I've spent a lot of time evaluating various  
GPS solutions.  If you go to my blog (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com 
) and search on "GPS" within the blog, you will find a number of  
articles about all sorts of things, mostly for Windows Mobile or  
Symbian handsets.

Enjoy,
cdh


On Aug 5, 2009,

Iphone and syncronization

[Christian]

Hi all,
Well, if I decide to switch to the iphone from my Windows Mobile phone how is 
it when i tcomes to syncronization of the calendar and contacts?
Today I have syncronized my phone with Outlook with no problems but ws just 
wondering since I have heared that there were some issues with iphone and 
syncronization.
My calendar is very important so I must make sure it works.
Many thanks,
Christian


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prices gone up

[william lomas]

hi why have the itunes prices for single tracks gone up in the UK?  
any ideas?


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Re: alternitive virtulation softwarwe that works with voice over?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Hank,

JAWS is working fine for me running Fusion and Windows XP. I installed  
Window-Eyes before I installed JAWS, as someone indicated this might  
smooth out any video issues. So you might try uninstalling JAWS,  
installing a Window-Eyes demo or full version, and then reinstalling  
JAWS.

HTH,
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Windows Messenger

[Kim Carmichael]

Can somebody tell me how to use Windows Messenger on the IPhone?  I put
Fring on my phone thinking that would work, but I can't get back to the main
list that it gave me in the beginning so I can choose messenger.  

Thanks
Kim


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RE: Manually putting music on IPhone using Windows

[Kim Carmichael]

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work.  Thanks for trying.  Am I correct
to think that this can be done using a Mac?  If so, I might be getting mine
sooner than later.

Thanks 
Kim


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Hi Kim,

Here's how to put music on an iPod manually. I assume the same steps would
work in Windows, though I don't know for certain because I don't have an
iPhone.

1. Select the tracks you want to copy.

2. Type control-C to copy them to the clipboard.

3. Focus on the iPod's name in the Source list, where Music, Podcasts, etc.
are listed.

4. Type Control-V to paste. If that doesn't work, choose Paste from the Edit
menu.

HTH,
Anna




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RE: Book Resource

[Les Kriegler]

How about NLS or Audible?

Les 

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any other way to get it besides book share?
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

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> Hi Anna,
>
> Thanks very much for this resource.  I went to bookshare and grabbed 
> it and will be reading it on my Icon BP.  I noticed there were 2 
> books, one for Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I 
> downloaded.  Sounds like this will be right up my alley!
>
> Les
>
>
> >




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RE: importing outlook express mailboxes to mail? Re: safari book marks folder location?

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Anna,

Didn't know about the Pogue book.  Thanks for posting that, I'm going to check 
it out.
Best,
Donna

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Subject: Re: importing outlook express mailboxes to mail? Re: safari book marks 
folder location?


Hi Hank,

Install Thunderbird on your PC or the Windows side of your Mac, import  
the mail into that, then import from there into Mail. There's a  
detailed discussion of how to do this in David Pogue's book, Switching  
to the Mac, the Missing Manual: Leopard Edition. If you're a Bookshare  
member, you can download this excellent book from them.

Best,
Anna






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Re: Book Resource

[hank smith]

any other way to get it besides book share?
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

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> Hi Anna,
>
> Thanks very much for this resource.  I went to bookshare and grabbed  
> it and
> will be reading it on my Icon BP.  I noticed there were 2 books, one  
> for
> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded.  Sounds  
> like this
> will be right up my alley!
>
> Les
>
>
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Re: gesturebased navigation on safari for themac?

[hank smith]

To control VoiceOver and Safari with gestures, you will have to wait
for Snow Leopard. This is one of the many great features you will find
in the new VoiceOver version coming with Snow Leopard in September/
October, a way to control VoiceOver and all your Mac software by using
gestures. You can find more info about this in the accessibility pages
at
http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/



Take care,
John André


Den 5. aug. 2009 kl. 06.32 skrev Yuma Decaux:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I've seen on some sites that safari 4 allows gesture based navigation,
> but i can't get my hands on it (no pun intended). Is it a feature
> already available, and how does it present itself? Do i have to go to
> the safari preferences to activate it, and can i customize my gestures
> for various tasks i deem natural to trackput input?
>
> Whatever it is, i think this is a great feature as my trackput sits
> there seldom touched except for the random palm brush as i hit the
> space bar.
>
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Re: gesturebased navigation on safari for themac?

[hank smith]

what if you have a mac mini how can this work?
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:31 AM, A-Pro Studio wrote:

>
> To control VoiceOver and Safari with gestures, you will have to wait
> for Snow Leopard. This is one of the many great features you will find
> in the new VoiceOver version coming with Snow Leopard in September/
> October, a way to control VoiceOver and all your Mac software by using
> gestures. You can find more info about this in the accessibility pages
> at
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/
>
>
>
> Take care,
> John André
>
>
> Den 5. aug. 2009 kl. 06.32 skrev Yuma Decaux:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've seen on some sites that safari 4 allows gesture based  
>> navigation,
>> but i can't get my hands on it (no pun intended). Is it a feature
>> already available, and how does it present itself? Do i have to go to
>> the safari preferences to activate it, and can i customize my  
>> gestures
>> for various tasks i deem natural to trackput input?
>>
>> Whatever it is, i think this is a great feature as my trackput sits
>> there seldom touched except for the random palm brush as i hit the
>> space bar.
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: importing outlook express mailboxes to mail? Re: safari book marks folder location?

[hank smith]

thank you so much for this info
this is one of the things that has been driving me crazy
thank you thank you so much

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> Hi Hank,
>
> Install Thunderbird on your PC or the Windows side of your Mac, import
> the mail into that, then import from there into Mail. There's a
> detailed discussion of how to do this in David Pogue's book, Switching
> to the Mac, the Missing Manual: Leopard Edition. If you're a Bookshare
> member, you can download this excellent book from them.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
> >


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Re: subject change music looping?

[hank smith]

can you tell me how you loop with it?
perhaps a tutorial? or any tips on how to get started?
I used acid pro in windows for this and I want to use garage band
some of my remixes of other tunes kick major ars

I to have heard garage band is more powerfull for loop and midi work
any tips or help to get started would be appreciated
Hank
On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

>
> Hi Hank,
>
> This, my good man, is precisely the problem.  To the best of my
> knowledge there isn't anything else accessible enough to survive
> musically speaking.  There are folks getting by with Logic and I'm
> hoping to get my hands on a copy soon to find out what that's like,
> but even the most optomistic of those folks have described it as
> getting by once I start asking questions about how much of their
> workflow relies on a control surface and how much is truely access.
>
> Unless anyone else can suggest an alternative for ya, my advice would
> be to nuckle down and really get to grips with Garage Band.  For
> loop-based and midi stuff, it can be a lot more powerful than you'd be
> lead to believe by the way it's marketted.  Haven't done it myself
> because there's no way I could survive tracking full bands in GB, but
> I've heard some killer remixes and awesome originals that have been
> made exclusively with it.
>
> Good luck
> Scott
>
> On 8/4/09, hank smith  wrote:
>>
>> Hello I am changing the subject so the orriginal thread doesn't get
>> off topic
>> but the mention of garage band braught to mind another question I  
>> have
>> been wanting to ask for quite a while
>> what can i use to replace garage band?
>> I am in to music looping, remixing tunes with loops and also making  
>> my
>> own stuff with loops
>> Îany suggestions
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And for the most part Scott I'm With ya.  The two things I can't
>>> defend Apple over though, are when products like Garage band 09 come
>>> out and take a backward step in accessibility, or when products that
>>> have been launched way after VO such as mobile me aren't totally
>>> accessible.  If anyone can appease me I'd love to be appeased, or
>>> perhaps if you've got a ton of more technical knowledge and can  
>>> break
>>> it down into dumby speak I'd love to be tought.  At the moment the
>>> best I can come up with is that access isn't nearly as easy for
>>> developers as it's made out to be or surely it'd be there.  Either
>>> that or Apple are employing coders who don't follow their own
>>> guidelines.  Who knows, either way it really gets my goat when it
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> On 8/4/09, Scott Howell  wrote:

 Although I'm disappointed as well, I am sure they will follow- 
 through
 on getting it done.  I think the more noise, the more likely
 attention
 will be given to the issue.  At the same time, lets not throw out  
 the
 baby with the bath water.  Apple may not have accomplished all we
 want
 today, but quite honestly, they have made a good start and have
 done a
 great deal.  What exactly drives the determination as to which
 products get accessibility attention first is probably more a fair
 question.  In other words, it seems a a little hit or miss, but  
 could
 be driven by schedule, resources, etc.  Oh and no this does not  
 give
 Apple an excuse or let them off the hook, I'm just saying.
 On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

>
> At the risk of coming across as slightly standoff-ish, does  
> anybody
> else think that this situation and reply is a bit of a sham?   
> There
> wasn't even a mention of iWeb, and both products have been updated
> recently enough for improvements to be made surely.  It's not like
> these are old smalltime products on a dusty old shelf somewhere  
> with
> no development time being put into them, Apple markets the hell
> out of
> these and makes them into big selling points to buy their hardware
> and
> make the switch.  It's like "knock knock, who's there, oh it's
> just a
> third party developer who doesn't see the need to do anything  
> about
> access because even Apple themselves don't bother with it that
> much in
> their flagship products".
>
> Yes it's ranty, no it's not polite and probably it's not  
> productive,
> but frankly neither am I anywhere near as productive as I should
> be by
> now in Mac OS, and Apple not practicing what they preach is
> becoming a
> key reason for that.
>
> Scott
>
> On 8/4/09, Marie Howarth  wrote:
>> I thought you guys might be interested in this response I got  
>> from
>> apple.
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Accessibility 
>>> Date: August 4, 2009 6:09:13 AM BST
>>> To: Marie Howarth 
>>> Subject: Re: mobile me and Iweb
>>>
>>> Hi

alternitive virtulation softwarwe that works with voice over?

[hank smith]

hello I use fusion vmware fusion that is to run windows when I need to.
how ever the video with jaws is causing problems am wanting to know of  
other alternitive voice over friendly virtual machine programs simular  
to vmware that I can use? if it isn't easy navigatible can I get  
keyboard shortcuts to get started
thanks for any help you can give
Hank

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