Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc. Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as adjust the level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see what you're typing without having to battle the entirety of the user interface being zoomed in. Grayscale. iOS in and of itself doesn't have themes like so many third-party apps support -- and even like OS X Yosemite's new dark mode. iOS does, however, support a pseudo-theme by way of Invert Colors (white-on-black). In iOS 8, Apple is adding a second
Downloading public previews
Hi all I am in the Mac Developer Program. I've been receiving seed notifications by email. I ignored them thinking I could get the public previews from the Mac Dev Centre. Big mistake it looks like as could not even find the public preview. I was aware of 10.9.4 and wanted to test it but could not figure out how to download so left it until we got the update last night. What should I do in future? Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
Lol! I know what you mean! He sounds like he's got a sore throat never mind a cold! I use Alex but have heard Daniel Compact particularly when I set up my mac after a clean install. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 30/06/2014 21:08, Daniel McGee wrote: Was hoping this update included the newer sounding compact voices found on IOS with VO. Didn't happen, sigh. Even though I sent an email to the accessibility team about it. I'm not complaining because I'm sure they have other accessibility assignments but it still would of been nice for Daniel to stop sounding like he's got a cold. lol On 30 Jun 2014, at 20:26, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote: can you try to play a song then press cmd + l to go to the current song, then try to ineract with it, hope it helps. On 30 Jun 2014, at 09:17 pm, Gabriele Battaglia gabriele.battag...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com ha scritto: gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine perfectly... Hi and thanks for asking. If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback. Gabriel -- Namasté! Sent from my iMac27. (Gmail) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
gorgeous! so now alex can guide me around when i am out visiting patients ! yeehah!! apple way to go! Will it also mean one can hear the map when i drive on the highway one wonders? lets hope so… On 6/30/14, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc. Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to specify which part of the screen is zoomed in, as well as adjust the level of the zoom. In particular, it's now possible to have the virtual keyboard on screen at normal size underneath a zoomed-in window. What this does is makes it easy to both type and see what you're typing
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
I am not experiencing that. Which view are you using? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 7:17, Gabriele Battaglia gabriele.battag...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com ha scritto: gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine perfectly... Hi and thanks for asking. If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback. Gabriel -- Namasté! Sent from my iMac27. (Gmail) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Correct, speak screen already exists in iOS 7. It is a little harder to find. I have a client who sees perfectly well, but has dyslexia. I am training him to use speak screen for long screens of text that he becomes very frustrated whilst trying to read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though. I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will find it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation and guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester. On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc. Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom functionality in iOS 8. The hallmark feature is users now have the ability to specify which
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Currently, you cannot do what you are attempting. Pages is designed to work in pages format. When one is completely finished with the document, one then exports it to word format should one desire to do so. This is all part of the competition between Apple and Microsoft for the office spaces of the world. I do not expect it to change any time soon considering Apple's new data continuity initiative where data will transfer seamlessly between Apple products. I remember how people had very similar complaints when Word's .doc format started encroaching on the then dominant Word Perfect. Given Apple's unparalleled commitment to universal access, I hope they are successful and unseat MS Word. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 6:54, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
How do you find this option? On 1 Jul 2014, at 5:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, speak screen already exists in iOS 7. It is a little harder to find. I have a client who sees perfectly well, but has dyslexia. I am training him to use speak screen for long screens of text that he becomes very frustrated whilst trying to read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though. I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will find it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation and guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester. On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc. Zoom. Apple has made some welcome
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com I am not experiencing that. Which view are you using? GB: Hi David, good morning. There are no views to choose from. When you're in iTunes, within your library, music, tracks, you have a large table with seeveral columns like: song name, artist, duration, year, gender and so forth. Gabriel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem where some MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but it also includes a Safari update and other minor fixes. Thanks for the summary. It was quite a smooth and easy upgrade process. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
My itunes isn't doing that, at all. it works fine. Alia On Jun 30, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Gabriele Battaglia gabriele.battag...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 30/giu/2014, alle ore 21:15, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com ha scritto: gabriele what is the problem with your itunes, mine it's working fine perfectly... Hi and thanks for asking. If you interact with the music table, in iTunes, and then you try to move up and down with harrows keys, VoiceOver doesn't give any feedback. Gabriel -- Namasté! Sent from my iMac27. (Gmail) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Logic for mac.
Hello. Logic pro X is very usable and with every update new accessibility features can be found. Nektarios. On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote: really??? sense what version? last I heard there was no way to make it accessible with out having to rewrite the code from scratch? if I am incorrect on this what version is accessible as far as most useability is concerned? On 6/29/2014 4:29 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: Hello. Logic pro X is reasonably accessible and it is becoming more and more accessible with each update. People are using it with voice over with success making recordings, mixing etc. There are issues, of course, but it is very usable. Good luck. Nektarios. On Jun 29, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I've heard that logic pro or what its called isn't accessible for us. So what program to use if i want the same functions? Ofcourse i can use garageband but i want something more professional. /A -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- websites: http://www.solavei.com/hanksmith http://qoinpro.com/5f674bfbfc97bbb1f3216db274fb72f8 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Sounds like speak selection and it's in Settings, General, Accessibility. You select some text and a speak button should appear which one taps on to speak the selection. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 10:39, Sean Murphy wrote: How do you find this option? On 1 Jul 2014, at 5:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, speak screen already exists in iOS 7. It is a little harder to find. I have a client who sees perfectly well, but has dyslexia. I am training him to use speak screen for long screens of text that he becomes very frustrated whilst trying to read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though. I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will find it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation and guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester. On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from
does any one know if whats app is on the i pad minnni? can any one suggust a app that wil allow me to talk to my cousins?that is free and accesssible.I am running ios 702 on a i pad minni first genera
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Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally different from Speak Selection, which only reads aloud selected text. By contrast, Speak Screen will read aloud everything on the screen -- text, button labels, etc. Zoom. Apple has made some welcome tweaks to its Zoom
Samsung Smart Switch app
Hi, Has anyone successfully used the Samsung Smart Switch app which is supposed to allow you to transfer your contacts/calendar/music from your Mac to the Galaxy ~S5? I downloaded the DMG file but can't open it. Just get a msg to say not recognised. Kind regards Graham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
It is called speak selection. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 21:39, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: How do you find this option? On 1 Jul 2014, at 5:49 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, speak screen already exists in iOS 7. It is a little harder to find. I have a client who sees perfectly well, but has dyslexia. I am training him to use speak screen for long screens of text that he becomes very frustrated whilst trying to read. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though. I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will find it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation and guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester. On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today. Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who may have issues reading what is on their iPhone and/or iPad. It should be noted that Speak Screen is fundamentally
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass market. As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8. Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain briefly how each feature works. Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hello David and Anne, thank you both for explaining to me how Pages works when dealing with word documents. I pretty much thought this would be the case when Tim told me too. However, I'm glad I posted again to get more than one opinion. I'd just like to ask another question which I'm sure I already know the answer to but I'll ask anyway just to clarify. When one receives a word document, say as an email attachment and the recipient wants to make changes to it, does he or she saves the doc as pages format and once there done, export the changed document back into word from saving in pages native format and sends it back to them. A bit long winded at explaining it but I hope it makes sense. One last question if I may and this one is certainly easier than the last. Basically, when exporting Pages into word documents which file format would you recommend now between .doc or .docx I know that .doc is a lot older now, I've been saving as that for as long as I can remember purely for compatibility sakes between systems that may still have the older office version around. I really appreciate all your help and advice with this. It has made it a lot easier to accept and just I guess accept, how Pages works. I will get use to it. I just needed that more than one opinion. Daniel On 1 Jul 2014, at 07:48, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the save. I get a dialog box asking me to save it again. As if I were performing the function, of save as the 2nd time. which isn't what I want it to do. I just want to save the changes as I would continue working with the document. Idealy, I'd like to Save in a format which goes between Mac and Windows hence as saving as Word to preserve compatibility between the two systems. So, any tips or advice from those who use the new pages on the Mac, in regards to saving as word documents would be vastly appreciated! Thank you. Daniel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit
Re: Command line question.
Someone asked: huh? i think i had a blonde moment there? that might work as well but sfpt would be more secure than just ftp right? Yes and it works similar to ssh in doing a login. XB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list. http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/ An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that drives Apple's most
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hi Daniel, For your first question, I have two responses. If you are two people using Pages in the first place, why bother putting the document into Word prior to the final product. I suggest you leave it in Pages. Now, my second answer to the first question is not exactly. Since Pages easily opens Word documents, you can either set your Mac so that Word documents automatically open in Pages, use the Open With option in the Contextual menu or open it directly from within Pages. After opened, you can edit and export to Word. For your second question, I would 99 times out of 100 save it to the .docx format as it is the current standard. When using the .doc extension, it's being saved in an earlier format and you're causing things to be unnecessarily converted an extra time. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 1, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello David and Anne, thank you both for explaining to me how Pages works when dealing with word documents. I pretty much thought this would be the case when Tim told me too. However, I'm glad I posted again to get more than one opinion. I'd just like to ask another question which I'm sure I already know the answer to but I'll ask anyway just to clarify. When one receives a word document, say as an email attachment and the recipient wants to make changes to it, does he or she saves the doc as pages format and once there done, export the changed document back into word from saving in pages native format and sends it back to them. A bit long winded at explaining it but I hope it makes sense. One last question if I may and this one is certainly easier than the last. Basically, when exporting Pages into word documents which file format would you recommend now between .doc or .docx I know that .doc is a lot older now, I've been saving as that for as long as I can remember purely for compatibility sakes between systems that may still have the older office version around. I really appreciate all your help and advice with this. It has made it a lot easier to accept and just I guess accept, how Pages works. I will get use to it. I just needed that more than one opinion. Daniel On 1 Jul 2014, at 07:48, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below from this list. Unless its just simply no one uses the app or I made an error in trying to get across what I want to achieve, I have made an attempt at rephrasing my question in the hope its more clear and will generate more responses. If not, then I'm not offended or anything like that. So here' it goes. Hello all, I want to start trying the newly released Pages that Apple released last year for the Mac. Currently, my version of the app stands at 5.2 just so you know what I'm working with. What I would particularly like your advice with, is how do you, as the user, go about saving and editing your documents. I am trying to save my documents in word format. However, when I come to open it again and do some more editing with the document and Command S to save it again, it doesn't apply the
Re: The best way of saving and editing documents with the new pages on the mac
Hi Daniel, Just another opinion. Far less mac connected, but very much document sharing connected. Because ms office tends to hold a grudge with some of its other editions, not so much as sitting at the same table with them, I often suggest two things. First, if you can, ask the source what they desire. i cannot tell you the countless times I had an associate still using a technically older, but much nicer edition of word in their office. but s they did not want to seem behind the times. second, experiment with sending .rtf instead. tends to work not just for office users but for those using open office, or wordperfect, or any of the various programs on the buffet. that format exists specifically for this reason largely to let you share no matter the preferences desires or frustrations of those getting your work. Just some thoughts, Kare On Tue, 1 Jul 2014, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Daniel, For your first question, I have two responses. If you are two people using Pages in the first place, why bother putting the document into Word prior to the final product. I suggest you leave it in Pages. Now, my second answer to the first question is not exactly. Since Pages easily opens Word documents, you can either set your Mac so that Word documents automatically open in Pages, use the Open With option in the Contextual menu or open it directly from within Pages. After opened, you can edit and export to Word. For your second question, I would 99 times out of 100 save it to the .docx format as it is the current standard. When using the .doc extension, it's being saved in an earlier format and you're causing things to be unnecessarily converted an extra time. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jul 1, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello David and Anne, thank you both for explaining to me how Pages works when dealing with word documents. I pretty much thought this would be the case when Tim told me too. However, I'm glad I posted again to get more than one opinion. I'd just like to ask another question which I'm sure I already know the answer to but I'll ask anyway just to clarify. When one receives a word document, say as an email attachment and the recipient wants to make changes to it, does he or she saves the doc as pages format and once there done, export the changed document back into word from saving in pages native format and sends it back to them. A bit long winded at explaining it but I hope it makes sense. One last question if I may and this one is certainly easier than the last. Basically, when exporting Pages into word documents which file format would you recommend now between .doc or .docx I know that .doc is a lot older now, I've been saving as that for as long as I can remember purely for compatibility sakes between systems that may still have the older office version around. I really appreciate all your help and advice with this. It has made it a lot easier to accept and just I guess accept, how Pages works. I will get use to it. I just needed that more than one opinion. Daniel On 1 Jul 2014, at 07:48, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Daniel, What you need to understand is that Pages is an Apple proprietory format and it is just a concession to the fact that many people need to share files with MS Office users that we can save in Word format. So, no, you can never set Pages to save automatically in Word format and it will never happen. Perhaps one day Office for Mac will become accessible, but until then, you'll just have to do what everyone else does and export to Word when you've finished working on a document you wish to share with non-Mac users. I hope this is clear, but I'm sure Tim Kilburn already explained this to you. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jun 2014, at 22:52, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello isaac, yeah I do all that, what you have detailed but when I next come to open the newly saved document, make some edits and then hit CMD S to save. It will pop up a dialog box forcing me to save it in a dot pages format. I just don't get why Pages won't continue saving the file into word once I've created the exported word doc file. So does it continue saving into word, once you've exported it into that file format because it simply doesn't for me. It stubbenly wants me to save in its own format which to me kinds of defeats the purpose of word documents. Either its me or I'm not getting it. :( Daniel , On 30 Jun 2014, at 21:10, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to save it as a word document you will have to go to the file menu. Next go to export submenu. Next choose word. After that you should be able to press command s to save it. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I only got one answer to this question below
Re: Command line question.
Anytime you are copying something from your server to another server, use scp command if you are in SSH. SCP stands for, secure copy. Jonnyboy! Iphones rock! On 1 Jul 2014, at 9:29, DD dandun...@gmail.com wrote: Someone asked: huh? i think i had a blonde moment there? that might work as well but sfpt would be more secure than just ftp right? Yes and it works similar to ssh in doing a login. XB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: OS X 10.9.4 is out
Hi Alex, sorry to disappoint you, but after using Vocalizer Expressive Tom, they did not fix the pronunciation for words like for and to. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Hi all, OS X 10.9.4 just came out. Mostly, it fixes that frustrating problem where some MacBooks wouldn't auto-connect to wifi when woken up, but it also includes a Safari update and other minor fixes. As usual, there's no mention of accessibility; my personal hope is that the weird pronunciation problems in Nuance voices have been addressed. Oh, and if you use iOS as well, 7.1.2 just dropped. Enjoy! -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity there? LOL. On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM,
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the selector elements. We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that informs us of what is on the screen. anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically? thanks. cheers. Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu: Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote: I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader
Re: Command line question.
Hi! No i want to move from a harddisk to another on the same mac. I could use normal finder commands but voiceover doesn't announce when files are selected. /A 30 jun 2014 kl. 11:33 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse sandi1...@gmail.com: well as i just said if he just use cp, over ssh, it would not work, as a matter of fact he can beat at it till the cow comes home. Of course i am taking for granted that he ***wanna*** move the stuff from one computer too another, so scp that is . just found this . sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ man scp scp sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ cat scp SCP(1)BSD General Commands Manual SCP(1) NAME scp -- secure copy (remote file copy program) SYNOPSIS scp [-12346BCEpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-S program] [[user@]host1:]file1 ... [[user@]host2:]file2 DESCRIPTION scp copies files between hosts on a network. It uses ssh(1) for data transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security as ssh(1). Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or passphrases if they are needed for authentication. File names may contain a user and host specification to indicate that the file is to be copied to/from that host. Local file names can be made explicit using absolute or relative pathnames to avoid scp treating file names containing `:' as host specifiers. Copies between two remote hosts are also permitted. The options are as follows: -1 Forces scp to use protocol 1. -2 Forces scp to use protocol 2. -3 Copies between two remote hosts are transferred through the local host. Without this option the data is copied directly between the two remote hosts. Note that this option disables the progress meter. -4 Forces scp to use IPv4 addresses only. -6 Forces scp to use IPv6 addresses only. -B Selects batch mode (prevents asking for passwords or passphrases). -C Compression enable. Passes the -C flag to ssh(1) to enable com- pression. -E Preserves extended attributes, resource forks, and ACLs. Requires both ends to be running Mac OS X 10.4 or later. -c cipher Selects the cipher to use for encrypting the data transfer. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -F ssh_config Specifies an alternative per-user configuration file for ssh. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -i identity_file Selects the file from which the identity (private key) for public key authentication is read. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -l limit Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s. -o ssh_option Can be used to pass options to ssh in the format used in ssh_config(5). This is useful for specifying options for which there is no separate scp command-line flag. For full details of the options listed below, and their possible values, see ssh_config(5). AddressFamily BatchMode BindAddress ChallengeResponseAuthentication CheckHostIP Cipher Ciphers Compression CompressionLevel ConnectionAttempts ConnectTimeout ControlMaster ControlPath GlobalKnownHostsFile GSSAPIAuthentication GSSAPIDelegateCredentials HashKnownHosts Host HostbasedAuthentication HostKeyAlgorithms HostKeyAlias HostName IdentityFile IdentitiesOnly IPQoS KbdInteractiveDevices KexAlgorithms LogLevel MACs NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost NumberOfPasswordPrompts PasswordAuthentication PKCS11Provider Port PreferredAuthentications Protocol ProxyCommand PubkeyAuthentication RekeyLimit RhostsRSAAuthentication RSAAuthentication SendEnv ServerAliveInterval ServerAliveCountMax StrictHostKeyChecking TCPKeepAlive UsePrivilegedPort User UserKnownHostsFile
Re: Command line question.
This isn't an issue with the stack really, it's an issue with the
argument list being to long. Try this:
find -name *.mp3 -exec cp {} /foo/bar
On 7/1/2014 3:11 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
Hi!
No i want to move from a harddisk to another on the same mac.
I could use normal finder commands but voiceover doesn't announce when files
are selected.
/A
30 jun 2014 kl. 11:33 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse sandi1...@gmail.com:
well as i just said if he just use cp, over ssh, it would not work, as
a matter of fact he can beat at it till the cow comes home.
Of course i am taking for granted that he ***wanna*** move the stuff
from one computer too another, so scp that is .
just found this .
sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ man scp scp
sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ cat scp
SCP(1)BSD General Commands Manual SCP(1)
NAME
scp -- secure copy (remote file copy program)
SYNOPSIS
scp [-12346BCEpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file]
[-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-S program]
[[user@]host1:]file1 ... [[user@]host2:]file2
DESCRIPTION
scp copies files between hosts on a network. It uses ssh(1) for data
transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security
as ssh(1). Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or passphrases if
they are needed for authentication.
File names may contain a user and host specification to indicate that the
file is to be copied to/from that host. Local file names can be made
explicit using absolute or relative pathnames to avoid scp treating file
names containing `:' as host specifiers. Copies between two remote hosts
are also permitted.
The options are as follows:
-1 Forces scp to use protocol 1.
-2 Forces scp to use protocol 2.
-3 Copies between two remote hosts are transferred through the local
host. Without this option the data is copied directly between
the two remote hosts. Note that this option disables the
progress meter.
-4 Forces scp to use IPv4 addresses only.
-6 Forces scp to use IPv6 addresses only.
-B Selects batch mode (prevents asking for passwords or
passphrases).
-C Compression enable. Passes the -C flag to ssh(1) to enable com-
pression.
-E Preserves extended attributes, resource forks, and ACLs.
Requires both ends to be running Mac OS X 10.4 or later.
-c cipher
Selects the cipher to use for encrypting the data transfer. This
option is directly passed to ssh(1).
-F ssh_config
Specifies an alternative per-user configuration file for ssh.
This option is directly passed to ssh(1).
-i identity_file
Selects the file from which the identity (private key) for public
key authentication is read. This option is directly passed to
ssh(1).
-l limit
Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s.
-o ssh_option
Can be used to pass options to ssh in the format used in
ssh_config(5). This is useful for specifying options for which
there is no separate scp command-line flag. For full details of
the options listed below, and their possible values, see
ssh_config(5).
AddressFamily
BatchMode
BindAddress
ChallengeResponseAuthentication
CheckHostIP
Cipher
Ciphers
Compression
CompressionLevel
ConnectionAttempts
ConnectTimeout
ControlMaster
ControlPath
GlobalKnownHostsFile
GSSAPIAuthentication
GSSAPIDelegateCredentials
HashKnownHosts
Host
HostbasedAuthentication
HostKeyAlgorithms
HostKeyAlias
HostName
IdentityFile
IdentitiesOnly
IPQoS
KbdInteractiveDevices
KexAlgorithms
LogLevel
MACs
NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost
NumberOfPasswordPrompts
PasswordAuthentication
PKCS11Provider
Port
PreferredAuthentications
Protocol
ProxyCommand
PubkeyAuthentication
RekeyLimit
RhostsRSAAuthentication
RSAAuthentication
SendEnv
ServerAliveInterval
ServerAliveCountMax
Re: Command line question.
Hi! Thanks for clarifying this. I will try this out later. When the soccer has endded tonight. /A 30 jun 2014 kl. 17:53 skrev Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com: Hi Anders, You're not specific as to whether the copy is going between two computers or simply between mounted volumes on the same computer. If on the same computer, your command should work fine, as long as, like Jason mentioned, you've either quoted out or back-slashed out the spaces. So... cp *.mp3 /volumes/my\ audio\ disk/ or... cp *.mp3 /volumes/'my audio disk''/ The back-slash tells the Terminal to not count the space after it as an argument separator. Similarly, the double or single quotes will can be used when arguments have a space so that everything in quotes is counted as a single entity. If you meant between computers, then the others suggestions would work as suggested. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:45 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I'd thought this would work but maybe it doesn't. I have ssh into my mac from a linux box as root. Now i want to copy a bunch of mp3-s or move them from one disk to another with mv or cp. I tried: cp *.mp3 /volumes/my audio disk/ I got the following error. :sh: /bin/cp: argument list to long. Please help and i promise i will read the manpage for cp. /A -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically on the screen? because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements. with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements that can be found in the screen ... what makes this tool more? is this not more of the same? I do not understand what the
Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?
Hi! I have had the problem sometimes but not now. Though i have problems with safari and some embeded players which stops after a while. So i rather use google chrome. /A 30 jun 2014 kl. 19:03 skrev Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com: Hi isaac, interesting. Lets see what others have to say. On 30 Jun 2014, at 17:58, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Alex on IOS 8
Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Anyone experiencing no feedback when searching with google for the 1st time with Safari?
All, I am pleased to report, that as of Mavericks 10.9.4 with the combined update of Safari 7.0.5 I am no longer experiencing this issue. Things work as expected once I open the browser. So I'm glad this has been resolved. On 1 Jul 2014, at 20:25, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I have had the problem sometimes but not now. Though i have problems with safari and some embeded players which stops after a while. So i rather use google chrome. /A 30 jun 2014 kl. 19:03 skrev Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com: Hi isaac, interesting. Lets see what others have to say. On 30 Jun 2014, at 17:58, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote: isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Alex on IOS 8
Do you like Karen? I am using her temporarily. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Alex on IOS 8
I prefer, using compact Daniel. However, I will say that Karen does sound more pleasant to the ear in contrast to Samantha. You mentioned you use her temporarily. I'm just curious, what is your preferred voice then? For me, the reason why I use Daniel compact compared to the HQ offering is because I find that compact doesn't come across as croaky sounding. Also, in my own personal taste, I found that for me at least compact tends to pronounce words better. Words such as: in, two, the and her that he says in HQ form I find are either too quiet or in the case of the word her, I feel that this word gets cut off a bit early. With compact, I don't get these problems nearly as much. On 1 Jul 2014, at 20:32, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: Do you like Karen? I am using her temporarily. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I cannot change that. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do specifically
Re: Command line question.
I believe you have given up on using Finder to quickly. In Finder, Press command-1 for icon view. Use the tab key and Voiceover will announce the name of the file selected. Press command-2 for list view and arrow through the list. Again, Voiceover announces the selection. You can also start typing the name of a file and the selection will jump to it. Hope that helps. On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! No i want to move from a harddisk to another on the same mac. I could use normal finder commands but voiceover doesn't announce when files are selected. /A 30 jun 2014 kl. 11:33 skrev Sandi Jazmin Kruse sandi1...@gmail.com: well as i just said if he just use cp, over ssh, it would not work, as a matter of fact he can beat at it till the cow comes home. Of course i am taking for granted that he ***wanna*** move the stuff from one computer too another, so scp that is . just found this . sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ man scp scp sandras-MacBook-Air:~ sandra$ cat scp SCP(1)BSD General Commands Manual SCP(1) NAME scp -- secure copy (remote file copy program) SYNOPSIS scp [-12346BCEpqrv] [-c cipher] [-F ssh_config] [-i identity_file] [-l limit] [-o ssh_option] [-P port] [-S program] [[user@]host1:]file1 ... [[user@]host2:]file2 DESCRIPTION scp copies files between hosts on a network. It uses ssh(1) for data transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security as ssh(1). Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or passphrases if they are needed for authentication. File names may contain a user and host specification to indicate that the file is to be copied to/from that host. Local file names can be made explicit using absolute or relative pathnames to avoid scp treating file names containing `:' as host specifiers. Copies between two remote hosts are also permitted. The options are as follows: -1 Forces scp to use protocol 1. -2 Forces scp to use protocol 2. -3 Copies between two remote hosts are transferred through the local host. Without this option the data is copied directly between the two remote hosts. Note that this option disables the progress meter. -4 Forces scp to use IPv4 addresses only. -6 Forces scp to use IPv6 addresses only. -B Selects batch mode (prevents asking for passwords or passphrases). -C Compression enable. Passes the -C flag to ssh(1) to enable com- pression. -E Preserves extended attributes, resource forks, and ACLs. Requires both ends to be running Mac OS X 10.4 or later. -c cipher Selects the cipher to use for encrypting the data transfer. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -F ssh_config Specifies an alternative per-user configuration file for ssh. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -i identity_file Selects the file from which the identity (private key) for public key authentication is read. This option is directly passed to ssh(1). -l limit Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s. -o ssh_option Can be used to pass options to ssh in the format used in ssh_config(5). This is useful for specifying options for which there is no separate scp command-line flag. For full details of the options listed below, and their possible values, see ssh_config(5). AddressFamily BatchMode BindAddress ChallengeResponseAuthentication CheckHostIP Cipher Ciphers Compression CompressionLevel ConnectionAttempts ConnectTimeout ControlMaster ControlPath GlobalKnownHostsFile GSSAPIAuthentication GSSAPIDelegateCredentials HashKnownHosts Host HostbasedAuthentication HostKeyAlgorithms HostKeyAlias HostName IdentityFile IdentitiesOnly IPQoS KbdInteractiveDevices KexAlgorithms LogLevel MACs NoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost NumberOfPasswordPrompts PasswordAuthentication PKCS11Provider Port PreferredAuthentications Protocol ProxyCommand PubkeyAuthentication
Question about Apple wireless keyboard
Can I start my mac book pro using my apple wireless keyboard? because in the upper right part of my wireless keyboard is eject. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Question about Apple wireless keyboard
I don't know you can. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote: Can I start my mac book pro using my apple wireless keyboard? because in the upper right part of my wireless keyboard is eject. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Alex on IOS 8
I hate Daniel. I use Samantha instead. However, when Alex comes on the iPhone, he will be my preference. I use Alex on the Mac. On 1 Jul 2014, at 08:46 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer, using compact Daniel. However, I will say that Karen does sound more pleasant to the ear in contrast to Samantha. You mentioned you use her temporarily. I'm just curious, what is your preferred voice then? For me, the reason why I use Daniel compact compared to the HQ offering is because I find that compact doesn't come across as croaky sounding. Also, in my own personal taste, I found that for me at least compact tends to pronounce words better. Words such as: in, two, the and her that he says in HQ form I find are either too quiet or in the case of the word her, I feel that this word gets cut off a bit early. With compact, I don't get these problems nearly as much. On 1 Jul 2014, at 20:32, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: Do you like Karen? I am using her temporarily. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Question about Apple wireless keyboard
Yes, you might could On 7/1/2014 4:41 PM, isaac wrote: I don't know you can. isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com Skype gold_wildcat On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote: Can I start my mac book pro using my apple wireless keyboard? because in the upper right part of my wireless keyboard is eject. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it too. On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I cannot change that. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and not only for English USA. on the mac, alex only supports English / USA. who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac? now speak about speak screen. Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
No, voice over and Siri are two completely separate things. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it too. On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I cannot change that. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the languages that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer expressive voices? yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present
Re: Alex on IOS 8
I am going to use Karen until I get a device that supports Alex. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer, using compact Daniel. However, I will say that Karen does sound more pleasant to the ear in contrast to Samantha. You mentioned you use her temporarily. I'm just curious, what is your preferred voice then? For me, the reason why I use Daniel compact compared to the HQ offering is because I find that compact doesn't come across as croaky sounding. Also, in my own personal taste, I found that for me at least compact tends to pronounce words better. Words such as: in, two, the and her that he says in HQ form I find are either too quiet or in the case of the word her, I feel that this word gets cut off a bit early. With compact, I don't get these problems nearly as much. On 1 Jul 2014, at 20:32, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: Do you like Karen? I am using her temporarily. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Yes, but if the pronunciation of names by siri could be given to voiceover it'd be good. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: No, voice over and Siri are two completely separate things. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it too. On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I cannot change that. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu http://www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 04:05, mário navarro wrote: hi. alex on IOS8 will only
Re: Alex on IOS 8
I do as well. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: I hate Daniel. I use Samantha instead. However, when Alex comes on the iPhone, he will be my preference. I use Alex on the Mac. On 1 Jul 2014, at 08:46 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer, using compact Daniel. However, I will say that Karen does sound more pleasant to the ear in contrast to Samantha. You mentioned you use her temporarily. I'm just curious, what is your preferred voice then? For me, the reason why I use Daniel compact compared to the HQ offering is because I find that compact doesn't come across as croaky sounding. Also, in my own personal taste, I found that for me at least compact tends to pronounce words better. Words such as: in, two, the and her that he says in HQ form I find are either too quiet or in the case of the word her, I feel that this word gets cut off a bit early. With compact, I don't get these problems nearly as much. On 1 Jul 2014, at 20:32, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: Do you like Karen? I am using her temporarily. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I know for me, Alex will be a wonderful improvement compared to Samantha. I have respect, for those who like Samantha but she really gives me a head ake when I tried to listen to her. lol On 23 Jun 2014, at 16:18, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's wait it out I guess. It's probably true but probably rumour as well. Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 23/06/2014 16:09, Stephen Toth wrote: I know that Alex will only work on 64-bit devices. This means the iPhone 5S and iPad Air, and iPad Mini, 2nd generation. Alex is 64-bit because OS X is 64-bit. However, we have had Alex running on 867 MHz G4s with 512 MB of RAM, ATA 5, and a system bus of 133 MHz. Why can't we have it on our iPhone 4S and iPod 5th gen devices as well? We've seen Alex run on 32-bit MacBook Pros with Core Duos in them, and I still have these old vintage machines that I am talking about today. I just don't get it. More marketing...Hi, I'm pretty excited about having Alex speaking under ios 8. Will he work on the iPad 3rd generation as well as the latest iPad mini? Thanks Chris -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- Chris G jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. 733 Delaware Rd 341 Buffalo, NY 14223 Email: jedi...@mysticaccesspodcast.com javascript: Phone: 888-678-1433 Ext 101 Fax: 888-766-7985 Direct: (716) 965-5717 web: www.mysticaccess.com twitter: JediKent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories
Yes, maybe we could request this as a future feature request. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Yes, but if the pronunciation of names by siri could be given to voiceover it'd be good. Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote: No, voice over and Siri are two completely separate things. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Hmm, I wonder if you change the pronounciation with siri if vo will use it too. On 7/1/2014 3:46 PM, Jessica D wrote: A pronunciation dictionary would be nice as well. I have a bunch of names in my contact list voice over refuses to pronounce correctly. Had this time, I cannot change that. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote: I don’t know what to expect from IOS 8 but it would be nice if they could continue the trend of voices. In the form of downloading voices you actually want. Like on the Mac. By example, say for those in the US, by default you get Samantha but you actually preferred Tom for whatever reason. Or for UK folks, you get Daniel but you would rather use Serena. So at the end of the day, you get a choice. Of course, I don’t know if this will happen in IOS 8 but for me I know it would be a welcome addition. Just my thoughts, for whatever its worth. On 1 Jul 2014, at 19:59, Christopher Hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: iOS 5 was sure a big update. Let me stress that it's far and few in between we get big updates. The last time was iOS 5 back in 2011. Then do you all remember iOS 3 back in 2009? Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu On 01/07/2014 19:36, Devin Prater wrote: I think voiceover will be improved, as it always is. Every big release, and even some small releases, contain changes. I still remember my first big update, to iOS5. I loved the premium voices! Then in iOS6 we were able to underline and bold text in any app that supported it, not just in pages. And we all know all the awesome things in ios7, especially for multilingual people... So just wait, I'm sure we'll be delightfully surprised. On 7/1/2014 9:53 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Apple has opened up third-party keyboards, so Fleksy can become your system-wide input method if you wish. They also added braille input directly to VoiceOver, letting you use braille on the screen anywhere you can type. By the way, that last one was on a WWDC Keynote slide, so it's public knowledge. Those, plus the Alex voice, plus all the features still protected under NDA, make iOS8 a pretty exciting release in my book. We have no idea just what to expect to see, so at least wait until iOS8 is out in the wild before saying that Apple has done nothing. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:25 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Just because Apple has not implemented the features you wish to see does not mean, in any way, that Apple has not added new features to VoiceOver. 2) Unless you are a beta tester, you do not know what Apple has or has not added. And, beta testers are not supposed to provide such information. 3) I listened to two podcasts which discussed some of the new accessibility features. As I respect the list position, even though I am not a beta tester, I am reframing from making any comments besides the one I made about the Alex voice. Also, I will not state which podcasts I listened to. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jul 2014, at 23:37, mário navarro mario@gmail.com mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote: ok. seems to me, that users of vo do not have new features in voice over on IOS8. because if these are the new releases for IOS8 accessibility, nothing was done especially for vo. jonathan moasen and some others blind users have made a list of the new features they would like to see the voice over on IOS8, but if these are the new accessibility to IOS8, we can consider that nothing of the desires we all have been met. and there was so much to do and improve the voice over on IOS8. I can not believe that apple has only this to offer us ... I will prepare myself for another big disappointment ... cheers . Em 01-07-2014 07:38, Christopher Hallsworth escreveu: If it's like the mac Alex will be a U.S. English voice only. Other languages should still use the Vocalizer Expressive voices as with the case on iOS 7. As for speak screen I speculate this would be useless for VO users; more for those with low vision such as Zoom users or those with a learning disability such as dyslexia. Just a disclaimer: I am a beta tester but can still only speculate. Christopher Hallsworth
Re: does any one know if whats app is on the i pad minnni? can any one suggust a app that wil allow me to talk to my cousins?that is free and accesssible.I am running ios 702 on a i pad minni first ge
No, wasapp only available for phone only On 01/07/2014, adrian adrianle...@rocketmail.com wrote: ```Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hi guys Sorry for sending a whole bunch of files accidentally. I just discovered it. It's not a big secret; it's some of my work that I sent to the wrong email address. I'd do command z if it would help. Regards, Gigi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: does any one know if whats app is on the i pad minnni? can any one suggust a app that wil allow me to talk to my cousins?that is free and accesssible.I am running ios 702 on a i pad minni first ge
If they all have Google accounts you could use the Google Hangouts App. I've been using it all day and it works really well. Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2014, at 19:12, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: No, wasapp only available for phone only On 01/07/2014, adrian adrianle...@rocketmail.com wrote: ```Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: does any one know if whats app is on the i pad minnni? can any one suggust a app that wil allow me to talk to my cousins?that is free and accesssible.I am running ios 702 on a i pad minni first ge
watsapp works on phone number not on email address. Hens, that is also one of the reason why it is not available on any tabs. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 2 Jul 2014, at 13:06, Mike blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: If they all have Google accounts you could use the Google Hangouts App. I've been using it all day and it works really well. Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2014, at 19:12, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: No, wasapp only available for phone only On 01/07/2014, adrian adrianle...@rocketmail.com wrote: ```Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
