Re: qt apps with osx and voice over?

2014-07-10 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 10 Jul 2014, at 06:03, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote:
 Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 Assuming Apple and Nokia are still mutually uninterested in increasing QT
 accessibility, then the outlook is still pretty bleak.  
 
 QT accessibility has been completely reworked as of QT 5.2. Nokia is no
 longer involved - QT is a community project now. I don't know how well OS X is
 supported by QT 5.2 accessibility - Linux is definitely supported.

Thanks, and that's excellent news.  We'll have to see whether or if they've 
integrated with Apple's accessibility protocol, but I'm definitely hopeful as 
the number of useful apps using QT isn't trivial in my opinion.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

2014-07-10 Thread Justin Mann
Hi all,

I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and 
requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a virtual 
machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to create the Vm, 
but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is located?  This 
away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have mounted.  
Thanks for any help you can offer,
Justin

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Re: accessible flight simulator or racing game etc for OSX or iOS?

2014-07-10 Thread Sandi Jazmin Kruse
readme for blind users using flight gear written by Sandi Jazmin Kruse.
First of all, let me say this right out  making manuals is definitely
not what i do best, so please bare that in mind and fill free too ask
questions if something is not clear enough.
Flightgear is a flight simulator that was written for about i believe
10 years ago, i joined it when it was about 5 years old as a totally
blind person, and well it was clear too me that making it work so i
could use it would be relative easy.
And with that off the plate lets get too the easy stuff.
either you have some know how about the terminal, or you write exactly
what i say or it will not work. Sounds harder, than it was meant so
here goes.



1:you got  a image called flight gear blind install open that = stand
on it and press cmd o on it .


in there you got a few different files.


lets start with speak.nas.
copy it from the image too the folder below


in a terminal type this
cd /Volumes/flightgear-blind-install
and hit enter
now type cp speak.nas /Applications/FlightGear.app/Contents/Resources/data/local
and again hit enter.
After that go back too your image and type .
cp speak_keys.xml /Applications/FlightGear.app/Contents/Resources
and last go back too your image and type.
Cp fgfsrc too your home folder, in my case it would be
cp fgfsrc /Users/sandra ; rn fgfsrc .fgfsrc
Voiceover does not say this but you can see that i am renaming the
fgfsrc too a file with a period in front of it.
See? you almost there or as Lonestar says, Im already there, or was it
something with Mr Mom?
All these commands makes me so air-headed.
Okay at last go back too your image, you ought too know the drill by now.

type
cp festival-server.pl  / note it is a slash at the end of the line,
why? just too lay it somewhere.
And now for the part i am not so good at remembering you need a copy
of Espeak, but I'm  sure that if you gootle it something should come
up, we are eventually considering making a version that uses
voiceover, but that part is for later.


blind related keys:
below i have listed some of the most important keys for when you wanna
fly the plane.
f tells you how fast you go
h your heading
u what is under you and your altitude above it.
l your rate of climb in feet.
k your pitch, minus means you are diving, plus means going up.
j your bank ankle, minus means you are banking it left,  plus means
banking right.
o is your VOR radio, you need that when you wanna land it again.
t is your throttle in % usually in a Storch you will be needing 50% of
throttle for straight and level flight.
d, presses your throttle all the way too its max.


Normal flight controls.
2 will make the plane climb up, 8 will dive it , use ctrl p for
locking your pitch.
4 will bank it  left 5 will place all services back too neutral 6 will
bank it right if you wanna use the wing leveler you press ctrl w and
press ctrl w again when you wanna bank it too a new heading.
3 will decrese your throttle and 9 will increase it


so now lets say that you take off from the standard airport that will
be ksfo, it si a airport in the US and its runway is like 3 kilometer
long so it should be more than enough for what you need.
press d too max the throttle out, and monitor your airspeed  with f,
wait till the plane is up on about 50 knots and press 2 a few times,
you will see that your plane is taking off and slowly raising through
the air.
If you use l you can see how many feet a minute you are going up, 400,
600 is a good climbing rate for starters.
set your pitch too about 2 and press ctrl p too lock the pitch, and
slowly bank the plane right, set your banking rate too 10 or so till
you are at a heading of 80ish so you head away from the airport,try
too press u too see how high you are over the ground, if you are about
1000 feet up, try too press ctrl p again and press 8 and 2  so you get
a feel for diving and raising with the plane a few times. you will
hear as the plane dives your  engines rpm goes up, and as you go up it
will slow down.
In the perfect world in gods own creation you will want a altitude at 1400 feet.
Try hold that for like 5 minutes, fine adjust your altitude.
It is harder than it sounds, try change your application of your
throttle till about 50%  whilst you still hold the same altitude.
Now after these 5 minutes try press your o key, and see what it says,
it is as i told you before your VOR radio or too use another word your
radio Compus.
It will say something like this Vor 290, 4 miles out. it is the way of
getting back too the Airport.
What  it means is this if you wanna go back too the airport head your
plane more or less in that direction the radio says… it would  in this
situation be 290.
There is much more too air navigation than this but this is just too
give you a little taste of how it is.
As you head back too the Airport you will hear your miles going  down,
 you will wanna dive just a little you can do that either by taking
the throttle off the engine, or simply 

Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi all,

Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected Fit-Headless on 
the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit as good as though a real 
display were connected, which is especially noticeable in the Finder.  So, if 
you were put off a Mac Mini because of the need for a display, you now have 
your solution.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

2014-07-10 Thread Tristan
Hi Justin,
You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
 Justin

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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

2014-07-10 Thread Justin Mann
Hi there,

I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to get 
the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I should do 
as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook air could 
handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb of ram.
Thanks,

On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.
 
 
 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
 Justin
 
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Re: running windows under a virtual machine using Vmware?

2014-07-10 Thread Tristan
I'm running an i7 MacBook air with 8 gigs of RAM, and the Air handles
Windows better than any of my high end dedicated Windows laptops ever
had. I dedicate one core to Windows and 4 gigs of RAM while it's
running, leaving 4 gigs and the other Core for the Mac.
I use a combination of  Karabiner (Previously keyRemap4Macbook), Siel
(Previously known as PcKeyboardHack), and Sharp Keys in the actual VM.
If you want more information, I can help you off list. I have a setup
where my Windows, alt and ctrl keys are all set up to a PC layout
inside the VM only, and my capslock routes to the insert key for
JAWS/NVDA. I also have it set so I can use capslock as the VO modifier
(ctrl+option), which is easier in some cases, but not all.
The key remapping process can be rather extensive, so again, if you
want to use the layout I described, shoot me an email off list.
Hope this helps.



On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi there,

 I did ghet the Iso image of windows, and so far that has seemed to work to
 get the vmware installation running.  Is there anything different that I
 should do as far as keyboard mapping etc?  Also, do you think that a Macbook
 air could handle a screen-reader as well?  I'm running the 1.7 I7 with 8 Gb
 of ram.
 Thanks,

 On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Tristan theblinddj...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Justin,
 You need an ISO image of Windows to load up a VM. You can find these
 from sites such as Digital River, just make sure you buy a key first.


 On 7/10/14, Justin Mann w9...@me.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got some software that I am trying to run that is pretty nitch, and
 requires the use of windows, so I am trying to install windows on to a
 virtual machine on my mac using VMware fusion .  I've figured out how to
 create the Vm, but how to you install windows in to the area where the Vm
 is
 located?  This away it doesn't have to run from the Usb drive that I
 have
 mounted.
 Thanks for any help you can offer,
 Justin

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highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Mac
Hello there,

I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight some 
text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't seems to be 
highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and the version of the 
Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.

Thanks for any help.



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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi, could you send us a link and let us know approximately what you need to 
highlight?  Webpages are funny things.  Sometimes what works on one doesn't 
carry over to others.

We'll take a look for you.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2014-07-10, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight some 
 text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't seems to 
 be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and the version of 
 the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
   
 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Alex Hall
Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end up 
needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You can also 
use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, then use 
vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. Once you have 
selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to copy what you've 
selected. The key to this method is to interact with the text first; 
interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight some 
 text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't seems to 
 be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and the version of 
 the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
   
 
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Re: sling player on osx

2014-07-10 Thread Barry Abbott
Hello Hank and all. 
I have  tried the www.slingbox.com site. I cannot access the information on 
either the Mac or Windows sides with the plugin installed. It appears to be 
imbed flash and I can't access the listings. 

I have been using the SlingBox 500  successfully with the SlingPlayer on my 
phone. The iPhone Version actually reads out the channel list as well as the 
program description. . I had to Label many of the buttons The power button 
for the receiver being really important.

On the iPad I get channel numbers but no listing.   I can enter a channel 
number. The only way I have found to stop play is to lock the screen on either 
unit.

Now if memory serves me correctly Jonathan Mosen  was a SlingBox user so 
Jonathan perhaps if I am correct are you still using the beast and if so, how?

In my opinion they have a lot of work to do in terms of making their apps 
accessible out-of-the-box. I can say with certainty  the iPhone definitely 
works if you are willing to take the time to label the buttons. Most of the 
time you can figure out these buttons from the existing labels. I do not use 
the DVR features.


Hope this helps.

Barry Abbott

As of Monday I will be training at the Seeing Eye so will be looking forward to 
checking my sling player out while there as I miss Canadian news when away.
On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
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 Hello does any one use a slingbox on osx?  if so how voice over friendly is 
 the website where you go to control the box?  I am refering to the web based 
 sling player
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Ray Foret Jr
So, the Mac Mini now has a direct HDMI connection?  Or, what adapter did you 
use?  Does voice over come through the TV speakers or the Mac mini itself?  
Would I be correct in assuming that movies in 5.1 channel sound play in that 
way through home theater systems using this?


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

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 Hi all,
 
 Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected Fit-Headless 
 on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit as good as though a 
 real display were connected, which is especially noticeable in the Finder.  
 So, if you were put off a Mac Mini because of the need for a display, you now 
 have your solution.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and has no 
other end.  Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without one of 
these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation that 
results from having no monitor attached at all.  And of course audio comes from 
the usual audio jack or speakers; the device doesn't output anything itself.

HTH.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel McGee
Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently from 
this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by holding 
down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the letter C and 
it will copy what was last spoken.

So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been said 
and paste where ever it needs to go.

While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web pages, 
its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 

Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I knew it 
was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone numbers, 
addresses etc.

Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.


On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end up 
 needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You can 
 also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, then use 
 vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. Once you 
 have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to copy what 
 you've selected. The key to this method is to interact with the text first; 
 interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight some 
 text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't seems to 
 be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and the version 
 of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
  
 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Nice. So for $15 US you have a little dongle that you plug into the HDMI 
port to make it think it has a real HDMI display attached. It's actual 
purpose is that many servers are run headless and folks screen share to 
them only to discover the default display resolution is very low. This 
tricks the machine into running at high resolution because it thinks 
there is a screen there. For the MacMini issue of bogging down with no 
screen attached this is a perfect and fairly cheap solution. Here is the 
Amazon link:


http://www.amazon.com/CompuLab-fit-Headless-computer-display-emulator/dp/B00FLZXGJ6/

and here is the manufacturer's link:

http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fit-headless/

CB

On 7/10/14, 11:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and has no 
other end.  Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without one of 
these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation that 
results from having no monitor attached at all.  And of course audio comes from 
the usual audio jack or speakers; the device doesn't output anything itself.

HTH.

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installing torrent on mac

2014-07-10 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
is there any way that they can see what im doing on my mac? because when i 
installed my torrent on my mac they block web on my mac? it doesn't do that on 
my windows although we are in one wifi connection.
there is also one time that when i viewed an adult site, they prevent me from 
going there, it says, they are NGO's who wants security for the children who 
goes to adult sites that i have to register. why is that. it was so it was so 
easy to get information on mac?

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New iTunes seems to fix navigation

2014-07-10 Thread Matt Dierckens
Hi all.
I just installed the new iTunes, and we can finally, use regular down arrow to 
navigate iTunes once again.

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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug.  Right?


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

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 other end.  Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without one of 
 these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation that 
 results from having no monitor attached at all.  And of course audio comes 
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Fwd: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently from 
 this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by holding 
 down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the letter C 
 and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been said 
 and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I knew 
 it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone numbers, 
 addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end 
 up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You 
 can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, 
 then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. 
 Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to 
 copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to interact with the 
 text first; interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Alex Hall
To copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard, press Vo-shift-c. To speak the 
last phrase without copying it, use vo-z.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:

 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the 
 letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone numbers, 
 addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end 
 up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You 
 can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, 
 then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. 
 Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to 
 copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to interact with the 
 text first; interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Jessica D
Three finger quadruple tap.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:

 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the 
 letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone numbers, 
 addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end 
 up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You 
 can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, 
 then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. 
 Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to 
 copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to interact with the 
 text first; interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: Good, accessible IRC client for OS X?

2014-07-10 Thread Devin Prater
Ah, that's awesome. Now to figure out how to even connect to a network. It'll 
just take time.
Devin Prater
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On Jul 8, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:

 It will if the chat window is in VO's focus. 
 
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 Www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
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 On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Does it read incoming chats or anything?
 Devin Prater
 d.pra...@me.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I personally like LimeChat. They also have an iOS client as well. 
 
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 What would you recommend as an excellent and accessible IRC client for OS 
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Re: sling player on osx

2014-07-10 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
is there a device that does what the slingbox can do but that is voice 
over friendly?  or is the slingbox the only choice at this time?



On 7/10/2014 7:06 AM, Barry Abbott wrote:

Hello Hank and all.
I have  tried the www.slingbox.com site. I cannot access the information on 
either the Mac or Windows sides with the plugin installed. It appears to be 
imbed flash and I can't access the listings.

I have been using the SlingBox 500  successfully with the SlingPlayer on my phone. The 
iPhone Version actually reads out the channel list as well as the program description. . 
I had to Label many of the buttons The power button for the receiver being 
really important.

On the iPad I get channel numbers but no listing.   I can enter a channel 
number. The only way I have found to stop play is to lock the screen on either 
unit.

Now if memory serves me correctly Jonathan Mosen  was a SlingBox user so 
Jonathan perhaps if I am correct are you still using the beast and if so, how?

In my opinion they have a lot of work to do in terms of making their apps 
accessible out-of-the-box. I can say with certainty  the iPhone definitely 
works if you are willing to take the time to label the buttons. Most of the 
time you can figure out these buttons from the existing labels. I do not use 
the DVR features.


Hope this helps.

Barry Abbott

As of Monday I will be training at the Seeing Eye so will be looking forward to 
checking my sling player out while there as I miss Canadian news when away.
On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
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Hello does any one use a slingbox on osx?  if so how voice over friendly is the 
website where you go to control the box?  I am refering to the web based sling 
player
Hank

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Re: sling player on osx

2014-07-10 Thread Brian Fischler
Tivo is the way to go, their app is 95% accessible. While the actual Tivo box 
is like a DVR you would get from your cable company meaning it is not 
accessible although at least it has sound feedback meaning hoops when you move 
up or down a menu so at least you know you are doing something, but the app is 
fantastic. You can view the entire channel guide, set season passes, record 
programs, edit your season passes, cancel recordings, start a program playing 
on your T.V. from the iPhone app, with the new boxes you can watch on your 
phone, and you can watch on your phone anywhere in the country when you are 
connected to Wifi. It's the best option out there for us.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:

 is there a device that does what the slingbox can do but that is voice over 
 friendly?  or is the slingbox the only choice at this time?
 
 
 On 7/10/2014 7:06 AM, Barry Abbott wrote:
 Hello Hank and all.
 I have  tried the www.slingbox.com site. I cannot access the information on 
 either the Mac or Windows sides with the plugin installed. It appears to be 
 imbed flash and I can't access the listings.
 
 I have been using the SlingBox 500  successfully with the SlingPlayer on my 
 phone. The iPhone Version actually reads out the channel list as well as the 
 program description. . I had to Label many of the buttons The power button 
 for the receiver being really important.
 
 On the iPad I get channel numbers but no listing.   I can enter a channel 
 number. The only way I have found to stop play is to lock the screen on 
 either unit.
 
 Now if memory serves me correctly Jonathan Mosen  was a SlingBox user so 
 Jonathan perhaps if I am correct are you still using the beast and if so, 
 how?
 
 In my opinion they have a lot of work to do in terms of making their apps 
 accessible out-of-the-box. I can say with certainty  the iPhone definitely 
 works if you are willing to take the time to label the buttons. Most of the 
 time you can figure out these buttons from the existing labels. I do not use 
 the DVR features.
 
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Barry Abbott
 
 As of Monday I will be training at the Seeing Eye so will be looking forward 
 to checking my sling player out while there as I miss Canadian news when 
 away.
 On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:49 PM, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello does any one use a slingbox on osx?  if so how voice over friendly is 
 the website where you go to control the box?  I am refering to the web 
 based sling player
 Hank
 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Alex Hall
Oh wow, sorry, I missed the iOS part of the question completely. The 3-finger 
quadruple tap is indeed the way to do this, but remember that it is only in 
iOS7 and later.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Three finger quadruple tap.
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the 
 letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone 
 numbers, addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might 
 end up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. 
 You can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, 
 vo-enter, then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by 
 character. Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c 
 keystroke to copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to 
 interact with the text first; interacting with the html content of the 
 page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: New iTunes seems to fix navigation

2014-07-10 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Lovely! Wonder if they have fixed a strange error which prevented us 
from buying from the iTunes Store. What's funny is the error only 
occured in the mac version; the Windows version no such error occurs. 
Google for error -45054 including the minus and you will see just what I 
mean. I thought I had a major problem with my Apple ID until I bought 
something from the Windows version and was proven wrong.


On 10/07/2014 18:12, Matt Dierckens wrote:

Hi all.
I just installed the new iTunes, and we can finally, use regular down arrow to 
navigate iTunes once again.

Matt Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
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Re: Issue with the latest Launch Bar

2014-07-10 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey John,

No. It's still the command space bar very stange in deed.
On Jul 9, 2014, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

   Did you somehow change the activation keyboard shortcut for Launch Bar?  
 That is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
 
 
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 Thanks so much for the response. Will try and address all of you here. I am 
 running version 6.1.2 I believe been two recent updates. When Launch Bar 
 pops up and basically hijacks my computer the escape key doesn't get me out 
 of it, I just get a ding which is the sound I have set for an error. 
 
 Robert, to answer your question more I can be in anything safari, mail, 
 pages, etc and be working on something and out of the blue Launch Bar pops 
 up. I have command space set to launch Launch Bar and Launch Bar is taking 
 over my computer without those keys being pressed. For example as I was 
 typing that email yesterday Launch Bar just popped up while I was typing and 
 the only reason I know it did is I have different voices set for different 
 activities so I knew I was typing in Launch Bar instead of the email as the 
 voice changed. The only reason it isn't popping up now is I had to quit 
 Launch Bar as it was happening more and more frequently making me unable to 
 actually get anything done as it was just interfering with my work. I am 
 assuming that I might be able to uninstall it and reinstall it from scratch 
 which might be my best option if no one else is having these issues. I had 
 also looked through all the preferences in Launch Bar and couldn't find 
 anything that might need to be changed setting wise. Any other ideas? Thanks.
 On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:00 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 Launchbar never does anything for me unless I press the hotkey. What do you 
 mean that it is popping up when you are doing other things? Something is 
 definitely not right.
 
 Robert Carter
 
 
 On Jul 8, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 I am kind of a newbie with Launch Bar and am running the latest version, 
 and am hoping this is just a setting that I need to change otherwise this 
 program is awful. I constantly have Launch Bar popping up and taking me 
 away from my current task. For example as I was writing the first sentence 
 to this email Launch Bar decided to pop up and be my main focus then I 
 have to command accent to get out of Launch Bar which will take me back to 
 the second to last program I was using then another command accent to get 
 back to the program I was using. As you can imagine Launch Bar constantly 
 taking me away from what I am doing is quite annoying. Not sure if this is 
 some constant reindexing going on all, all I know is I hate it. Also I 
 have noticed that when I am in Launch Bar none of my keyboard commanders 
 work to get me out of Launch Bar. Anyway around this? Thanks.
 
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Re: Issue with the latest Launch Bar

2014-07-10 Thread John Panarese
  I figured I'd ask.  You never know if that is the issue.  I've actually seen 
it happen with a few apps that have keyboard shortcuts to activate.


Take Care

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On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:

 Hey John,
 
 No. It's still the command space bar very stange in deed.
 On Jul 9, 2014, at 3:21 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Did you somehow change the activation keyboard shortcut for Launch Bar?  
 That is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
 Lion
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 Thanks so much for the response. Will try and address all of you here. I am 
 running version 6.1.2 I believe been two recent updates. When Launch Bar 
 pops up and basically hijacks my computer the escape key doesn't get me out 
 of it, I just get a ding which is the sound I have set for an error. 
 
 Robert, to answer your question more I can be in anything safari, mail, 
 pages, etc and be working on something and out of the blue Launch Bar pops 
 up. I have command space set to launch Launch Bar and Launch Bar is taking 
 over my computer without those keys being pressed. For example as I was 
 typing that email yesterday Launch Bar just popped up while I was typing 
 and the only reason I know it did is I have different voices set for 
 different activities so I knew I was typing in Launch Bar instead of the 
 email as the voice changed. The only reason it isn't popping up now is I 
 had to quit Launch Bar as it was happening more and more frequently making 
 me unable to actually get anything done as it was just interfering with my 
 work. I am assuming that I might be able to uninstall it and reinstall it 
 from scratch which might be my best option if no one else is having these 
 issues. I had also looked through all the preferences in Launch Bar and 
 couldn't find anything that might need to be changed setting wise. Any 
 other ideas? Thanks.
 On Jul 9, 2014, at 9:00 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 Launchbar never does anything for me unless I press the hotkey. What do 
 you mean that it is popping up when you are doing other things? Something 
 is definitely not right.
 
 Robert Carter
 
 
 On Jul 8, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 I am kind of a newbie with Launch Bar and am running the latest version, 
 and am hoping this is just a setting that I need to change otherwise this 
 program is awful. I constantly have Launch Bar popping up and taking me 
 away from my current task. For example as I was writing the first 
 sentence to this email Launch Bar decided to pop up and be my main focus 
 then I have to command accent to get out of Launch Bar which will take me 
 back to the second to last program I was using then another command 
 accent to get back to the program I was using. As you can imagine Launch 
 Bar constantly taking me away from what I am doing is quite annoying. Not 
 sure if this is some constant reindexing going on all, all I know is I 
 hate it. Also I have noticed that when I am in Launch Bar none of my 
 keyboard commanders work to get me out of Launch Bar. Anyway around this? 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: qt apps with osx and voice over?

2014-07-10 Thread Devin Prater
Teamtalk seems lots better.
Devin Prater
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On Jul 9, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:

 Hi!
 At least vlc works and i think its an qt app.
 /A
 On 9 jul 2014, at 23:48, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 hank.smith...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello any one know if qt apps work with osx and voice over?
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Re: qt apps with osx and voice over?

2014-07-10 Thread Devin Prater
Yes, I guess tt updated to this qt5.2. Maybe vb will update one day.
Devin Prater
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On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote:

 Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 Assuming Apple and Nokia are still mutually uninterested in increasing QT
 accessibility, then the outlook is still pretty bleak.  
 
 QT accessibility has been completely reworked as of QT 5.2. Nokia is no
 longer involved - QT is a community project now. I don't know how well OS X is
 supported by QT 5.2 accessibility - Linux is definitely supported.
 
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Re: New iTunes seems to fix navigation

2014-07-10 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hmmm.  I didn't have any issues with purchasing anything from the store on my 
Mac, and I should own the store by now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Lovely! Wonder if they have fixed a strange error which prevented us from 
 buying from the iTunes Store. What's funny is the error only occured in the 
 mac version; the Windows version no such error occurs. Google for error 
 -45054 including the minus and you will see just what I mean. I thought I had 
 a major problem with my Apple ID until I bought something from the Windows 
 version and was proven wrong.
 
 On 10/07/2014 18:12, Matt Dierckens wrote:
 Hi all.
 I just installed the new iTunes, and we can finally, use regular down arrow 
 to navigate iTunes once again.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
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 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
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SD Card reader for the MBA

2014-07-10 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello Folks, 

I attempted to connect an old multi-card reader in both the bootcamp Win 8.1 
and Mac OS ML. On the bootcamp side, it seems like it wants to connect because 
I hear the chimes, but no additional drives are listed in windows Explorer. On 
the Mac side, this card reader is not recognized. Can someone recommend a 
multi-function card reader for my MBA 11 2013 that will be compatible for both 
the Mac and Win OS? 

Thanks in advance. 

Best, 
Eileen .

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Re: New iTunes seems to fix navigation

2014-07-10 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Prevented us from buying from the ITunes store?  I have never ever ever had any 
issues at all buying from the ITunes store.  Given that Tim also has seemed not 
to have had any trouble, you might have brought your problem to us and perhaps 
we could have helped.  After all, look how long I fought even using ITunes.  I 
got my Mac in 2009 and didn't really begin to sink my teeth in to ITunes until 
this year.  I won't claim to know everything:  but, I'm finding it ain't as bad 
as I was afraid it was gonna be.


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Lovely! Wonder if they have fixed a strange error which prevented us from 
 buying from the iTunes Store. What's funny is the error only occured in the 
 mac version; the Windows version no such error occurs. Google for error 
 -45054 including the minus and you will see just what I mean. I thought I had 
 a major problem with my Apple ID until I bought something from the Windows 
 version and was proven wrong.
 
 On 10/07/2014 18:12, Matt Dierckens wrote:
 Hi all.
 I just installed the new iTunes, and we can finally, use regular down arrow 
 to navigate iTunes once again.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
 matt...@blindaccesstraining.com
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Re: qt apps with osx and voice over?

2014-07-10 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Thats very sad.
I think qt accessibility is growing far better in linux.
Think i read that somewhere.
/A
10 jul 2014 kl. 06:50 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com:

 Assuming Apple and Nokia are still mutually uninterested in increasing QT 
 accessibility, then the outlook is still pretty bleak.  Ironic, because there 
 was a time when things were significantly better; I think QT4 messed 
 everything up.  VirtualBox is a QT app, and we all know how that went.
 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Mike Arrigo
It's good that this is available since the mac mini is very sluggish 
without a monitor. I know lots of people that use their pc without a 
monitor and it works fine, so I would say this is a design flaw. I 
wonder if it happens when using windows with boot camp? I guess I could 
try booting a vinux DVD and see if the problem happens without a 
monitor connected to my mac mini, I'm basically wondering if it's 
something in mac OSX causing it or if it's the hardware that's causing it.

Original message:

Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug. Right?




Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!



On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com 
mailto:listse...@me.com wrote:



The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and 
has no other end. Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could 
without one of these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance 
degradation that results from having no monitor attached at all. And of 
course audio comes from the usual audio jack or speakers; the device 
doesn't output anything itself.



HTH.



Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Thanks for this.
Then i'll go for one.
Do you still have the url for that?
Or maybe i can do a google search.
/A
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 Hi all,
 
 Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected Fit-Headless 
 on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit as good as though a 
 real display were connected, which is especially noticeable in the Finder.  
 So, if you were put off a Mac Mini because of the need for a display, you now 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Alex Hall
It's OS X. My Mini exhibited the problem in OS X, but not in Windows via 
Bootcamp. Yet, others report no problems in OS X, so it seems to be a software 
problem on certain hardware.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 It's good that this is available since the mac mini is very sluggish without 
 a monitor. I know lots of people that use their pc without a monitor and it 
 works fine, so I would say this is a design flaw. I wonder if it happens when 
 using windows with boot camp? I guess I could try booting a vinux DVD and see 
 if the problem happens without a monitor connected to my mac mini, I'm 
 basically wondering if it's something in mac OSX causing it or if it's the 
 hardware that's causing it.
 Original message:
 Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug. Right?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 
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 The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and has no 
 other end. Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without one of 
 these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation that 
 results from having no monitor attached at all. And of course audio comes 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Alex Hall
Here's the link that was provided earlier:
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fit-headless/
You may also want to search Amazon and other retailers for this item, but I 
have no specific links for any of them.
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 Hi!
 Thanks for this.
 Then i'll go for one.
 Do you still have the url for that?
 Or maybe i can do a google search.
 /A
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 Hi all,
 
 Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected Fit-Headless 
 on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit as good as though a 
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 So, if you were put off a Mac Mini because of the need for a display, you 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel McGee
triple tap with three fingers is how its done on IOS.

HTH
On 10 Jul 2014, at 19:06, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:

 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the 
 letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone numbers, 
 addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might end 
 up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. You 
 can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, vo-enter, 
 then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by character. 
 Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c keystroke to 
 copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to interact with the 
 text first; interacting with the html content of the page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Right. I used to fake it by hooking up something to the VGA connection 
to make it think there was a monitor but this sounds like a 
simpler/cheaper solution. I think PCs just default to the lowest 
possible resolution when no monitor is connected but the Macs, for 
whatever reason, perpetually scan for a non-existant monitor and turn to 
sludge.


CB

On 7/10/14, 1:35 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug.  Right?


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!


On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com 
mailto:listse...@me.com wrote:


The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and 
has no other end.  Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could 
without one of these; the whole point is to avoid the silly 
performance degradation that results from having no monitor attached 
at all.  And of course audio comes from the usual audio jack or 
speakers; the device doesn't output anything itself.


HTH.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Thanks.  I did it once by accident when I got my 5S at the time but never knew 
how.
On 10 Jul 2014, at 22:22, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:

 triple tap with three fingers is how its done on IOS.
 
 HTH
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 19:06, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting the 
 letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone 
 numbers, addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might 
 end up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should work. 
 You can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, 
 vo-enter, then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move by 
 character. Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c 
 keystroke to copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to 
 interact with the text first; interacting with the html content of the 
 page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it doesn't 
 seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 7.05 and 
 the version of the Os is 10.9.4.  This has worked for me in the past.
 
 Thanks for any help.
 
 
 
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Re: highlighting text

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel McGee
Sorry, I made an error. As mentioned, it is three fingers tap screen four 
times. Then it should say copied to paste board.

Thanks for the person who provided the VO Z command to just hear the last 
spoken text without copying it. I didn't know that either. Its the little 
things that can help. :)

Daniel  
On 10 Jul 2014, at 19:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Oh wow, sorry, I missed the iOS part of the question completely. The 3-finger 
 quadruple tap is indeed the way to do this, but remember that it is only in 
 iOS7 and later.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Three finger quadruple tap.
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 how do you copy last phrase using iOS?
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 04:52 pm, Daniel McGee danielmcgee...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, another way you may want to copy text. I just learned this recently 
 from this list is the last thrase copied to the clipboard. You do this by 
 holding down the VO keys adding shift to the combo and finally hitting 
 the letter C and it will copy what was last spoken.
 
 So say Voiceover read a paragraph with the Safari, and you liked what you 
 heard, you could use this command to hopefully copy what's already been 
 said and paste where ever it needs to go.
 
 While I'm sure its not the best method to go about copying text from web 
 pages, its a pretty handy command to have in your tool kit. 
 
 Like I said, I didn't even know it existed until recently on the Mac. I 
 knew it was on IOS but I'm glad to know that it is present on the Mac too.
 So give it a shot. I can see it being handy for things like: phone 
 numbers, addresses etc.
 
 Good luck with getting your text for your class this coming Monday.
 
 
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Use shift-up and shift-down instead. You'll get line by line, so might 
 end up needing to trim some text from what you paste, but it should 
 work. You can also use the VO method: interact with the text to select, 
 vo-enter, then use vo-left/right to move by word, or add shift to move 
 by character. Once you have selected all your text, use the normal cmd-c 
 keystroke to copy what you've selected. The key to this method is to 
 interact with the text first; interacting with the html content of the 
 page is not enough.
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Mac sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am trying to get ready for my class on Monday and I need to highlight 
 some text.  I am using Option Shift Left and Right arrows but it 
 doesn't seems to be highlighting the text properly.  I am using Safari 
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Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
 I'll get the Mac Mini to join my I Mac in due course when I can afford it so 
 I'll acquire one too.
 On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:50, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Thanks for this.
 Then i'll go for one.
 Do you still have the url for that?
 Or maybe i can do a google search.
 /A
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 Hi all,
 
 Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected Fit-Headless 
 on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit as good as though a 
 real display were connected, which is especially noticeable in the Finder.  
 So, if you were put off a Mac Mini because of the need for a display, you 
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Apple's App Review Should Test Accessibility

2014-07-10 Thread DD


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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Mostly a Mini issue.  I run a number of Mac Pros with no monitor with no slow 
down that I’ve noticed.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:22 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Right. I used to fake it by hooking up something to the VGA connection to 
 make it think there was a monitor but this sounds like a simpler/cheaper 
 solution. I think PCs just default to the lowest possible resolution when no 
 monitor is connected but the Macs, for whatever reason, perpetually scan for 
 a non-existant monitor and turn to sludge.
 
 CB
 
 On 7/10/14, 1:35 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug.  Right?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and has 
 no other end.  Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without 
 one of these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation 
 that results from having no monitor attached at all.  And of course audio 
 comes from the usual audio jack or speakers; the device doesn't output 
 anything itself.
 
 HTH.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
 
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Kevin Barry

The Mini has had an HDMI port for some time now.

At 10:17 AM 7/10/2014, you wrote:
So, the Mac Mini now has a direct HDMI connection?  Or, what adapter 
did you use?  Does voice over come through the TV speakers or the 
Mac mini itself?  Would I be correct in assuming that movies in 5.1 
channel sound play in that way through home theater systems using this?



Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!


On Jul 10, 2014, at 5:21 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
mailto:listse...@me.comlistse...@me.com wrote:



Hi all,

Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected 
Fit-Headless on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit 
as good as though a real display were connected, which is 
especially noticeable in the Finder.  So, if you were put off a Mac 
Mini because of the need for a display, you now have your solution.


Cheers,
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Kevin Barry

I  strongly suspect Apple did this deliberately.
They don't like you using a Mini as a server. That might have made 
sense when they sold the x-serv, but that product has been dead for some time.


At 04:44 PM 7/10/2014, you wrote:
It's good that this is available since the mac mini is very sluggish 
without a monitor. I know lots of people that use their pc without a 
monitor and it works fine, so I would say this is a design flaw. I 
wonder if it happens when using windows with boot camp? I guess I 
could try booting a vinux DVD and see if the problem happens without 
a monitor connected to my mac mini, I'm basically wondering if it's 
something in mac OSX causing it or if it's the hardware that's causing it.

Original message:

Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug. Right?




Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in!



On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
listse...@me.com mailto:listse...@me.com wrote:



The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port 
and has no other end. Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you 
could without one of these; the whole point is to avoid the silly 
performance degradation that results from having no monitor 
attached at all. And of course audio comes from the usual audio 
jack or speakers; the device doesn't output anything itself.



HTH.



Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Kevin Barry
I'd wait. The current Mini is approaching two years old and still 
uses the  IvyBridge chips.


At 04:50 PM 7/10/2014, you wrote:

Hi!
Thanks for this.
Then i'll go for one.
Do you still have the url for that?
Or maybe i can do a google search.
/A
10 jul 2014 kl. 12:21 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com:

 Hi all,

 Just wanted to report complete success with the HDMI-connected 
Fit-Headless on the Mac Mini 6,1.  The performance is now every bit 
as good as though a real display were connected, which is 
especially noticeable in the Finder.  So, if you were put off a Mac 
Mini because of the need for a display, you now have your solution.


 Cheers,
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Re: Fit-Headless Works!

2014-07-10 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I'd tend to disagree, sorry.  Apple used to sell Minis with Server software 
specifically as a Mac Mini Server.  I purchased a few of them for work.  They 
had two 500 GB HD's and no DVD/CD unit.  This was back when Snow Leopard Server 
was out and XServe's were still being sold.  Not sure if their stand has 
changed since then but I doubt it.  The new Server software is simply an app 
available from the Mac App Store so they likely promote it being useful on most 
Macs.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:

 I  strongly suspect Apple did this deliberately.
 They don't like you using a Mini as a server. That might have made sense when 
 they sold the x-serv, but that product has been dead for some time.
 
 At 04:44 PM 7/10/2014, you wrote:
 It's good that this is available since the mac mini is very sluggish without 
 a monitor. I know lots of people that use their pc without a monitor and it 
 works fine, so I would say this is a design flaw. I wonder if it happens 
 when using windows with boot camp? I guess I could try booting a vinux DVD 
 and see if the problem happens without a monitor connected to my mac mini, 
 I'm basically wondering if it's something in mac OSX causing it or if it's 
 the hardware that's causing it.
 Original message:
 Ah, in short, it's a dummy plug. Right?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 
 On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com 
 mailto:listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 The Fit-Headless is the HDMI adaptor; it plugs into the HDMI port and has 
 no other end. Presumably if you wanted to use a telly you could without one 
 of these; the whole point is to avoid the silly performance degradation 
 that results from having no monitor attached at all. And of course audio 
 comes from the usual audio jack or speakers; the device doesn't output 
 anything itself.
 
 HTH.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
 
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question about the Denon AVR-E300 5.1 Channel receiver as it has a remote in the app store

2014-07-10 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Hello Listers:


I am interested in the Denon AVR-E300 5.1 Channel 3D Pass Through and
Networking Home Theater AV Receiver with AirPlay:from
Amazon:Electronics. The price is $249.00 which sounds good.  I'd like
to know if anyone has this receiver and if the remote from the App
Store is usable with VoiceOver?
The link to this receiver is:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B7X2OV2/ref=aw_d_pd_electronics

Any help with this would be appreciated.

*** MQ ***

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