Re: The special I phone programme.

[Mary Otten]

Water damage. That was it. T mobile, like Sprint  covers water damage.
Mary


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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I use Sprint’s insurance plan over Apple care on my phone, which I think 
> probably covers me more, sense it covers water damage, as opposed to Apple 
> care, which doesn’t, but not sure what Apple care covers that Sprint doesn’t. 
>  I take care of my phone though, so have yet to find that out lol.
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on 
>> my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
>> 
>> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
>> that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
>>> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than 
>>> pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump 
>>> plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know 
>>> the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less 
>>> than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump 
>>> thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in 
>>> my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think 
>>> it is. 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
 serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
 as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
 trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
 also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
 credit allows.
 
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
> in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
> Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
> you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
> reset to two years at that point.
> 
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> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
>> have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
>> plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
>> price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the 
>> T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you 
>> can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order 
>> to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. 
>> Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of 
>> course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you 
>> could get an iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, 
>> I'm not remembering this right probably but I think you can actually 
>> change phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have 
>> kept a phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>>> Apple's program.
>>> 
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a 
 Mac. People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point 
 of this program is to get people on board so they upgrade their 
 iPhones as often or more often than they used to when carriers 
 subsidized phones, and you could essentially get one every two years. 
 It's also supposed to take the sting out of the high cost of the 
 phone. You get to pay for it over time. I didn't use the Apple 
 program. I used the one through T-Mobile. But they're fairly similar.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my 

Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:06 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The home button still has the metal ring around it. The metal ring is tactile.
> 
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>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 10:46, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> How do you figure out where the home button is then?  I haven’t gotten a 
>> chance to play around with one, sense I’m literally just finding out this 
>> phone came out this afternoon, via a text from Sprint telling me to 
>> “pre-order mine,” which I unfortunately can’t afford right now.
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, very similar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don’t think it’s until next year that a major redesign of the shape is 
>>> likely.  It’s a bit thinner, the home button isn’t mechanical feeling any 
>>> more but the dimensions in terms of height and width are identical.
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
 factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
 Cheers,
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Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

[David Chittenden]

The home button still has the metal ring around it. The metal ring is tactile.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 10:46, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> How do you figure out where the home button is then?  I haven’t gotten a 
> chance to play around with one, sense I’m literally just finding out this 
> phone came out this afternoon, via a text from Sprint telling me to 
> “pre-order mine,” which I unfortunately can’t afford right now.
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> In my opinion, very similar.
>> 
>> 
>> I don’t think it’s until next year that a major redesign of the shape is 
>> likely.  It’s a bit thinner, the home button isn’t mechanical feeling any 
>> more but the dimensions in terms of height and width are identical.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
>>> factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

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The top speaker is the earpiece speaker. It becomes louder when in stereo mode.

According to what I've heard, it is the camera bulge which will cause problems 
for iPhone 6 / 6S cases. The camera bulge is larger. On the 7, it is because of 
the physical image stabolisation. On the 7+, it is larger because of the extra 
12 MP camera.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 02:13, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Here's a corollary question to that, and it may be one that can't be answered 
> easily. If you have a case for an iPhone 6s, and you don't care about the 
> headphone jack or the camera placement, since the phones are the same size, 
> could that case work for an iPhone 7? For this to be possible, the lightning 
> port would have to be in the same place, and the means of getting the output 
> from the bottom speaker would have to be the same, i.e. the speaker it would 
> have to be in the same place. And the top speaker would have to be actually 
> facing like the earpiece speaker does now, not the top of the phone. I hope 
> that made sense.
> Mary
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> 
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>> Hi all,
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>> Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
>> factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
>> Cheers,
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

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   No, 9.3.5 is the current release. What I said was that information 
about iOS 10 can be found on AppleVis.


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On 9/8/2016 6:28 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

That’s out now?  I’m still getting reminders out about 9..something or other, 
which I still haven’t installed yet.

On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:19 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  Applevis? They usually provide this information rather quickly.

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Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility features in 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[David Chittenden]

When I talked with Apple yesterday, they told me one must have a carrier plan 
to sign up. However, once one gets the phone, it is unlocked, so one can change 
carriers. Also, the payments are done through the iTunes account.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 10:52, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Apple has that too?  I had no idea, I knew Sprint did, but the rep that told 
> me about it had my head spinning to the point that in the end, I just decided 
> against it, sense I didn’t want to get myself into something I couldn’t back 
> out of later, which they love to do.
>   How does Apple’s plan differ from what a Cell phone carrier offers?
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:52 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart the 
>> contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of Apple's 
>> program.
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of this 
>>> program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as often or 
>>> more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, and you could 
>>> essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed to take the sting 
>>> out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for it over time. I 
>>> didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through T-Mobile. But they're 
>>> fairly similar.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which let’s 
 you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
 
 It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at 
 the same time.
 
 If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
 where people pay upfront for computer equipment.  I bet they will do that 
 soon.
 
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Surprise!! iPhone 7 Models From AT and T-Mobile Do Not Support CDMA Networks

[Mary Otten]

iPhone 7 Models From AT and T-Mobile Do Not Support CDMA Networks
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors  /  Joe Rossignol

Choosing which iPhone model to purchase this year should be more carefully 
considered, as both AT and T-Mobile models of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus 
do not support CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint in the United States. 
Apple confirmed the matter in fine print in the iPhone 7 tech specs and on its 
LTE page. 

 
A customer that purchases an iPhone 7 from Apple's website and selects AT as 
their carrier, for example, would be unable to later use the smartphone on 
Verizon, Sprint, or any other CDMA network, even if the device is unlocked. By 
comparison, all iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus models worked on both GSM and CDMA 
networks. 

A customer that purchases an iPhone 7 from Apple's website and selects Verizon 
as their carrier, on the other hand, would also be able to use the smartphone 
on AT, T-Mobile, Sprint, or any other GSM or CDMA network. 

It was previously reported that Apple would switch to Intel modems for select 
iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models, including AT models, and Intel modems do 
not support the CDMA standard in the United States. That is likely the reason 
why AT and T-Mobile models are limited to GSM networks. 


Only Verizon and Sprint models support both GSM and CDMA networks

The same report said Qualcomm would supply modems for the remaining iPhone 7 
and iPhone 7 Plus units, including Verizon and Chinese models, and this appears 
to be the case. Qualcomm modems support both the GSM and CDMA standard, which 
explains why the iPhone 7 from Verizon and Sprint will work on all carriers. 

Qualcomm, which holds patents for WCDMA and CDMA2000 standards, is the main 
CDMA modem supplier in the United States. The company developed the first 
CDMA-based cellular base station in 1990, and since then it has licensed its 
technology to companies like Apple in return for royalty payments. 

Until this year, Qualcomm was Apple's exclusive supplier of modems for LTE and 
Wi-Fi connectivity, which explains why the iPhone 6s and previous generations 
supported both GSM and CDMA networks regardless of carrier. But with Intel 
entering the mix, choosing which iPhone to purchase is now more meaningful. 


All iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus models supported both GSM and CDMA networks

The lack of CDMA support in iPhones with Intel modems may be short lived, 
fortunately, as Intel acquired CDMA assets from VIA Telecom in 2015. It is 
believed that this acquisition could pave the way for Intel to release its 
first LTE modem with both GSM and CDMA support as early as 2017 or 2018. 

Ultimately, the most obvious choice should be to purchase a Verizon or Sprint 
model, even if you are an AT or T-Mobile customer, especially when 
considering resale value. However, some customers may have difficulty 
purchasing from another carrier, depending on their current status with their 
existing carrier. 

Apple should also release an unlocked SIM-free model in the U.S., likely based 
on the Verizon/Sprint model, in a few weeks based on past launches.

Related Roundup: iPhone 7 
Tags: Intel, Sprint, T-Mobile, AT, Verizon, Qualcomm

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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Jessica Moss]

That’s out now?  I’m still getting reminders out about 9..something or other, 
which I still haven’t installed yet.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:19 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Applevis? They usually provide this information rather quickly.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/8/2016 7:19 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility features 
>> in IOS10?
>> 
>> Peace,   
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>>  
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[David Chittenden]

Actually, if you keep the phone for 2 years, it is payed off and is yours from 
then on. Apple's program is very similar to T-Mobile. Based on what everyone 
has said, if I was in the US, I would probably go with T-Mobile rather than 
Apple, depending on the monthly cost.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I think Apple’s program is more of a lease in that there’s no option to 
> actually own the phone.  I could be off here but I think you lease the phone 
> yearly and Apple gets a continuous income stream where with T-Mobile it’s 
> more of a rent to own affair.
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 9:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> THANK you for that clarification. It sounds similar to Apple's program.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No. If you have jump on demand, you bring your phone back, get the new one, 
>>> and continue on. Depending on the cost of your old phone versus the new 
>>> one, your payment could change. As long as you keep the service, you won't 
>>> owe anything on the phone, other than the monthly payment of course. If 
>>> however, you terminate service, then you owe them for the full price of the 
>>> phone. But there is no contract as such with respect to how long you have 
>>> to keep their phone service. 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:46 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
 in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
 Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
 you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
 reset to two years at that point.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
> these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan 
> similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of 
> the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile 
> jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still 
> get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new 
> phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can 
> either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you 
> get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you could get an 
> iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, I'm not 
> remembering this right probably but I think you can actually change 
> phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have kept a 
> phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>> Apple's program.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of 
>>> this program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as 
>>> often or more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, 
>>> and you could essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed 
>>> to take the sting out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for 
>>> it over time. I didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through 
>>> T-Mobile. But they're fairly similar.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which 
 let’s you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
 
 It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch 
 at the same time.
 
 If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the 
 days where people pay upfront for 

Re: The special I phone programme.

[Jessica Moss]

It may be water damage, a lot of carrier insurance plans seem to cover that 
now, as where Apple care doesn’t, which surprises me, sense they’re so much 
more expensive, and carrier insurance is more like pennies in comparison.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the store 
> said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. In fact, 
> there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then AppleCare, 
> something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what that is? No. 
> Of course not.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on 
>> my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
>> 
>> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
>> that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
>>> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than 
>>> pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump 
>>> plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know 
>>> the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less 
>>> than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump 
>>> thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in 
>>> my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think 
>>> it is. 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
 serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
 as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
 trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
 also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
 credit allows.
 
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
> in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
> Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
> you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
> reset to two years at that point.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
>> have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
>> plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
>> price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the 
>> T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you 
>> can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order 
>> to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. 
>> Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of 
>> course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you 
>> could get an iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, 
>> I'm not remembering this right probably but I think you can actually 
>> change phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have 
>> kept a phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>>> Apple's program.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a 
 Mac. People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point 
 of this program is to get people 

A little more info on the new iPhone and the new AirPods

[Mary Otten]

I was just reading in my News app, in the text section, and according to an 
article, the 7+ has 3 GB of RAM, one more than the seven. That was rumored to 
be true, and apparently it is. Also, according to  the verge you can use those 
fancy new AirPods with non-Apple devices, since they are Bluetooth. You won't 
get the instant pairing etc.

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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Jessica Moss]

I use Sprint’s insurance plan over Apple care on my phone, which I think 
probably covers me more, sense it covers water damage, as opposed to Apple 
care, which doesn’t, but not sure what Apple care covers that Sprint doesn’t.  
I take care of my phone though, so have yet to find that out lol.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on my 
> laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
> 
> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
> that.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
>> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than pay 
>> it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump plan. 
>> But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know the 
>> value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less than 
>> what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump thing, 
>> you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in my case, 
>> it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think it is. 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
>>> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
>>> as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
>>> trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
>>> also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
>>> credit allows.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
 in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
 Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
 you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
 reset to two years at that point.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
> these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan 
> similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of 
> the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile 
> jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still 
> get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new 
> phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can 
> either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you 
> get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you could get an 
> iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, I'm not 
> remembering this right probably but I think you can actually change 
> phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have kept a 
> phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>> Apple's program.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of 
>>> this program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as 
>>> often or more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, 
>>> and you could essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed 
>>> to take the sting out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for 
>>> it over time. I didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through 
>>> T-Mobile. But they're fairly similar.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[David Chittenden]

Go to AppleVis
www.applevis.com
and read some of their blog posts.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:19, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility features 
> in IOS10?
> 
> Peace,
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Jessica Moss]

Is it?  Last I heard, they were just water-tight, so you couldn’t actually 
submerge them in water, but that could’ve just been a rumor.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well, it sounds like you could drop your iPhone 7 in the bog with out any 
> issue because it’s resistant.  Well any issue other than having to clean that 
> phone off very very well.;)
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Saqib Hussain > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I think they should include insurance within their plans. It would be 
>> really awful if someone was robbed  or simply dropped their iPhone down the 
>> bog within the contract period.
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 23:20, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I wish i could but its not in Sweden yet.
>>> I hope they will make it possible though.
>>> /A
 7 sep. 2016 kl. 23:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu >:
 
 Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which let’s 
 you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
 
 It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at 
 the same time.
 
 If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
 where people pay upfront for computer equipment.  I bet they will do that 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Jessica Moss]

That sounds similar to the one Sprint offers, but can’t remember all the 
details on that.  I think it was similar to their Everything unlimitted plan, 
only they knocked $50 or so off of it, but the specs on it were pretty much the 
same.  I think you could upgrade every year instead of every 2 years, and you 
got to keep the phone when you’d finished paying it off, and that’s all I 
remember about it.
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
> these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan similar 
> to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of the whole 
> phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile jump on demand 
> plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still get a phone and 
> pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new phone from 
> T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can either keep it or 
> trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you get for the trade-in 
> won't be that great. But yes, you could get an iPhone every year on the jump 
> on demand program. In fact, I'm not remembering this right probably but I 
> think you can actually change phones more than once a year. I forget how long 
> you have to have kept a phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get 
> another one.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart the 
>> contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of Apple's 
>> program.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of this 
>>> program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as often or 
>>> more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, and you could 
>>> essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed to take the sting 
>>> out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for it over time. I 
>>> didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through T-Mobile. But they're 
>>> fairly similar.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
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 Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which let’s 
 you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
 
 It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at 
 the same time.
 
 If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Jessica Moss]

Apple has that too?  I had no idea, I knew Sprint did, but the rep that told me 
about it had my head spinning to the point that in the end, I just decided 
against it, sense I didn’t want to get myself into something I couldn’t back 
out of later, which they love to do.
  How does Apple’s plan differ from what a Cell phone carrier offers?
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:52 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart the 
> contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of Apple's 
> program.
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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  > wrote:
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>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of this 
>> program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as often or 
>> more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, and you could 
>> essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed to take the sting 
>> out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for it over time. I didn't 
>> use the Apple program. I used the one through T-Mobile. But they're fairly 
>> similar.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which let’s 
>>> you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
>>> 
>>> It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at 
>>> the same time.
>>> 
>>> If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
>>> where people pay upfront for computer equipment.  I bet they will do that 
>>> soon.
>>> 
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Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

[Jessica Moss]

So am I, but unfortunately have too many other priorities that have to come 
first.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Interesting.  Thanks.
> 
> I had thought I would sit this one out, but I just learned that I'm eligible 
> to upgrade, so well ... I think I'm drinking the cool aide again. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>> In my opinion, very similar.
>> 
>> 
>> I don’t think it’s until next year that a major redesign of the shape is 
>> likely.  It’s a bit thinner, the home button isn’t mechanical feeling any 
>> more but the dimensions in terms of height and width are identical.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
>>> factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
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Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

[Jessica Moss]

How do you figure out where the home button is then?  I haven’t gotten a chance 
to play around with one, sense I’m literally just finding out this phone came 
out this afternoon, via a text from Sprint telling me to “pre-order mine,” 
which I unfortunately can’t afford right now.
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> In my opinion, very similar.
> 
> 
> I don’t think it’s until next year that a major redesign of the shape is 
> likely.  It’s a bit thinner, the home button isn’t mechanical feeling any 
> more but the dimensions in terms of height and width are identical.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
>> factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
>> Cheers,
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Tim, you're right about Apple having a reason to get of the headphone jack. 
This article should tell you all you need to know.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-apple-killed-the-headphone-jack?utm_term=.avME1gBvR#.ydJKevdj6
 


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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've kept quiet through all of this, but feel the need to say one thing.  
> Just because most others do it, does not mean that everyone needs to.  Most 
> cars run on gasoline, but some run on Diesel and others on electricity.  If 
> Apple chooses to use a lightning port, there's likely a business or 
> technological reason for doing so.  If their rationale is flawed, they'll 
> figure it out, or the market will figure it out for them.  These sorts of 
> decisions don't seem to have hurt them so far, often loads of complaining, 
> but people still buy their product.  Maybe their reasons aren't as flawed as 
> many believe.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like 
> all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
> eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but at 
> least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company that 
> uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other manufacturer uses 
> either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and other portable 
> devices.
> Original message:
>> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
>> ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
>> would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
>> having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
>> the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
> 
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> 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
> 
>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
>> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
>> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip 
>> that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
>> particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
>> device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the 
>> up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
>> nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about 
>> Apple.
>> Original message:
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
> 
> 
>> 

Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[David Chittenden]

The Air Pods will work, but may have slight audio delay with older devices. 
Probably only the iPhone 7 and Apple Watch Series 2 will have no audio delay as 
they both will have the new chipset.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 02:10, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Will they work on the SE?
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:20, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, I believe the new pods require the W1 chip to function so no on the 
>> 6+.  Maybe they also support regular bluetooth I don’t know but from the 
>> presentation it doesn’t appear so.  
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the new headphones with lightening connectors be on sale soon and work 
>>> with the older devices such as my 6sPlus 
>>> 
>>> And wil the apple wifi earpods work with my 6splus.
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:02 AM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 
>>> adapter
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well i was not worried about it.
>>> But the price is to high.
>>> So i stick with my SE right now.
>>> But sure i want the new apple watch as i use to swim a lot.
>>> Man this is really cool.
>>> /A
 7 sep. 2016 kl. 20:56 skrev Scott Granados :
 
 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
 phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
 
 Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to spout 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[David Chittenden]

Yes, they will work on any iPhone which is updated to iOS 10.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 02:10, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Will they work on the SE?
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:20, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Simon, I believe the new pods require the W1 chip to function so no on the 
>> 6+.  Maybe they also support regular bluetooth I don’t know but from the 
>> presentation it doesn’t appear so.  
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the new headphones with lightening connectors be on sale soon and work 
>>> with the older devices such as my 6sPlus 
>>> 
>>> And wil the apple wifi earpods work with my 6splus.
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:02 AM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 
>>> adapter
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well i was not worried about it.
>>> But the price is to high.
>>> So i stick with my SE right now.
>>> But sure i want the new apple watch as i use to swim a lot.
>>> Man this is really cool.
>>> /A
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 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[David Chittenden]

Apple has an exclusive with a company which has developed a way of performing 
distance wireless charging. The distance is up to 5 metres, about 15 feet. So, 
within 5 metres of the charger, the iPhone automatically starts charging.

My suspicion is they found a flaw, so deactivated the charging chip. I hope it 
will be activated in the next iPhone and the next iPad. If so, I will purchase 
a few wall ports so I can have charging stations in various locations around 
home and the office. After all, I now use my iPhone and iPad exclusively for 
work. My Mac is mainly for backing up the other devices, updating the other 
devices (better update when done through iTunes), and home file server.

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
> about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the phone 
> on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
>> 
>> You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It should 
>> be included in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
>>> dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
>>> I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
 On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
 a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
 up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
> replace it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was the 
>> end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did not get 
>> around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told you so".
>> 
>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
>>> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
>>> 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[David Chittenden]

They support Bluetooth as well. Apple specifically states the Air Pods will 
work with any iOS device running iOS 10. For Mac, it must run Mac Siera. For 
Apple Watch, it must run Apple Watch 3.

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> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:20, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Simon, I believe the new pods require the W1 chip to function so no on the 
> 6+.  Maybe they also support regular bluetooth I don’t know but from the 
> presentation it doesn’t appear so.  
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Will the new headphones with lightening connectors be on sale soon and work 
>> with the older devices such as my 6sPlus 
>> 
>> And wil the apple wifi earpods work with my 6splus.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:02 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 
>> adapter
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well i was not worried about it.
>> But the price is to high.
>> So i stick with my SE right now.
>> But sure i want the new apple watch as i use to swim a lot.
>> Man this is really cool.
>> /A
>>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 20:56 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to spout 
>>> off and get clicks for his blog.
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Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Dan]

Hello,
>From everything I've read and from the keynote address, the chip is in the 
>Airpods. Also, from other things I've read the Airpods will work on all the 
>latest apple OSs.
Also, the will work through your iCloud account. In one place, it was mentioned 
that as long as the os be it OS X iOS or Apple TV OS, because it's based on 
working on your account and the latest OSs, it will work on items like the 
iPhone 6 series and the iPhone 5se and ipads.
Again, this is just from the different things I've read on the web and 
different reviews from those who claim to have used the airpods.
 Of course, in a few weeks, we'll all know.

Dan

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How will they work with out the W1 chip say in my iPad or Mac?  Do they also 
> support bluetooth?
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your iPad 
>> or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new iPhone  
>> AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>> Macworld  /  Susie Ochs
>> 
>> I didn’t want to like the AirPods, I really didn’t. But in the hands-on area 
>> after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I found myself dancing along in 
>> spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, feeling surprisingly secure. 
>> With convenient features on both the hardware and software sides, I have to 
>> admit that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods kind of rocked my world.
>> 
>> When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired 
>> EarPods that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your 
>> ear just as before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. 
>> They’re the same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard 
>> white plastic.
>> 
>> Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how normal 
>> EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay put, and 
>> they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do stay in, 
>> after about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I don’t 
>> experience the same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam tips. 
>> Since the AirPods look so similar, I expected them to feel the same too—and 
>> I’m surprised and happy to report that I was dead wrong.
>> 
>> Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed 
>> my hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods 
>> stayed put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded 
>> full and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was saying, 
>> as if I was completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty 
>> impressive.
>> 
>> For Apple devices only
>> 
>> The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
>> specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a 
>> brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple 
>> devices running the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and 
>> watchOS 3. The AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a 
>> way to pair them to an Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
>> Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the AirPods to put them into pairing 
>> mode. We’ll test to confirm when we get review units, but it seems like the 
>> AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple devices.
>> 
>> Susie Ochs
>> When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
>> automatically. See the little AirPods icon?
>> 
>> When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
>> most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby 
>> iPhone offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do 
>> this every time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to 
>> your iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your 
>> iPhone, as well as with any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same iCloud 
>> account. I didn’t get to test how seamless it is to switch between devices, 
>> but the idea is, you can pause music on your iPhone, start playing songs 
>> stored on your Apple Watch, and the AirPods will just switch.
>> 
>> Each AirPod has infrared sensors, so they know when they’re in your ears or 
>> not, and an accelerometer so you can double-tap either AirPod to invoke 
>> Siri. They don’t have any traditional buttons, unlike some Bluetooth 
>> headphones: No on/off switch, no pairing button, no play/pause or 
>> call-answering buttons, and no volume controls. Instead, you can double-tap 
>> to get Siri—this pauses your music, but you can at least say “turn up the 
>> volume” without fishing out your iPhone to turn it up on that device. It’s a 
>> lot more awkward than just having volume controls built in.
>> 
>> Removing one 

Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi all,
Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the industry 
expressed about  the headphone jack.
The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do this...but 
frankly there is little reason for it to be done.  I found particularly 
interesting the weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of popping out 
of the phone if stressed, the less than stellar quality of both bluetooth 
and wireless headphones, at least if you care about sound quality, how 
quality could be achieved while keeping the jack,  and most interesting for 
those using audio, you cannot charge the phone and listen at the same 
time.  If it impacts music, will it also impact voiceover?

Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM

As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
wheeled out plenty of rationalizations for the decision, but at
the end of the day, it was a bad call, and a step back for the
forward-thinking tech giant.

We're talking about the same mini plug which was first used in
Sony's EFM-117J transistor radio in 1964, and which was
popularized for portable personal electronics with the original
Sony Walkman, released in 1979. The tech behind it goes back over
100 years, and we've been buying and collecting wired headphones
using this connector for over 36 years now. While Apple hasn't
left wired headphones completely in the dust, it has made
connecting them to its latest phones a big hassle.

We did it because ...

Apple Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller
boiled the decision to kill the headphone jack down to one word:
courage.

Yeah. That's one way to put it. Another might be: gamble.

Apple has done something it's never done before: alienating
millions of people.
Apple says it has a long-term vision for audio, which is
impressive considering it doesn't seem like it's had any vision
for audio at all until it purchased Beats headphones in 2014.
Instead of killing the headphone jack, Apple could have made a
better sounding EarPod, improved the digital to analog converter
(DAC) in its headphones to support higher resolution audio files,
or beefed up the headphone amp for better overall sound for any
headphone. None of those options would have required adding any
new space-hogging components to the phone or required any radical
redesigns, though it may have cost more. Know what it wouldn't
have required? Courage.

Regardless, Apple had opportunities to take audio more seriously,
but it didn't. How new, exactly, is this audio vision?
Schiller also pointed to the Lightning connector. "From the
start, we designed Lighting to be a great digital audio
connector," he said before pivoting toward an example of new
headphones ready to use the digital plug, the JBL Reflex Aware,
noting they require no battery to charge, since the iPhone
provides all the power. It may be true that the Lightning port is
meant to be a great digital connector, but that has nothing to do
with ditching the analog component. Android phones use the micro
USB plug as a digital connector, but they still have their 3.5mm
headphone jacks on board.
Finally, Schiller, after taking a moment to poke fun at the
century-old 3.5mm jack like it was some cute, tech-averse
grandma, pointed at space considerations as a third motivating
factor. "Our smartphones are packed with technologies and we all
want more." Apple says it needed space, and needed it right away.
"When you have a vision of how the audio experience can be, you
want to get there as fast as you can and make it as great as it
can be." To be fair, there's some truth in there somewhere. As a
tech-obsessed public, we do want more. We expect more. And
perhaps Apple did need the space. Or maybe the phone doesn't
have to be  quite so thin?

Headphones of the future

To work with its new headphone jackless phones, Apple introduced
two new Apple-branded products, three lines of wireless Beats
headphones, and some new wireless tech to drive it all. The new
Apple EarPods remained wired, but simply use the Lightning
connector now. As such, they'll be outfitted with a DAC/headphone
amp and will draw power from the phone, ultimately reducing its
battery life, though perhaps not much more than when the same
components were located inside the phone.


Apple also introduced the AirPods, completely wireless in-ear
headphones that look a lot like golf tees sticking out of your
ears when worn. They're powered by the new W1 wireless chip,
Apple's first ever proprietary wireless technology, which is
meant to make pairing easier than with Bluetooth. Battery life is
a relatively
 impressive -- if still inadequate -- five hours per charge, with
an 

Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Scott Granados]

I wonder how that works.  To bad they aren’t out next week.

We shall see I just don’t understand how they connect unless they also support 
bluetooth which would be cool for folks with the older devices.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> All I know is what I read in the article.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> How will they work with out the W1 chip say in my iPad or Mac?  Do they also 
>> support bluetooth?
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your 
>>> iPad or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new 
>>> iPhone  AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>>> Macworld  /  Susie Ochs
>>> 
>>> I didn’t want to like the AirPods , I really 
>>> didn’t. But in the hands-on area after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, 
>>> I found myself dancing along in spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, 
>>> feeling surprisingly secure. With convenient features on both the hardware 
>>> and software sides, I have to admit that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods 
>>> kind of rocked my world.
>>> 
>>> When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired 
>>> EarPods that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your 
>>> ear just as before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. 
>>> They’re the same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard 
>>> white plastic.
>>> 
>>> Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how 
>>> normal EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay 
>>> put, and they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do 
>>> stay in, after about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I 
>>> don’t experience the same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam 
>>> tips. Since the AirPods look so similar, I expected them to feel the same 
>>> too—and I’m surprised and happy to report that I was dead wrong.
>>> 
>>> Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed 
>>> my hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods 
>>> stayed put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded 
>>> full and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was 
>>> saying, as if I was completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. 
>>> Pretty impressive.
>>> 
>>> For Apple devices only
>>> 
>>> The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
>>> specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a 
>>> brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple 
>>> devices running the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and 
>>> watchOS 3. The AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a 
>>> way to pair them to an Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
>>> Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the AirPods to put them into 
>>> pairing mode. We’ll test to confirm when we get review units, but it seems 
>>> like the AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple devices.
>>> 
>>> Susie Ochs
>>> When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
>>> automatically. See the little AirPods icon?
>>> 
>>> When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
>>> most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby 
>>> iPhone offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do 
>>> this every time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to 
>>> your iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your 
>>> iPhone, as well as with any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same 
>>> iCloud account. I didn’t get to test how seamless it is to switch between 
>>> devices, but the idea is, you can pause music on your iPhone, start playing 
>>> songs stored on your Apple Watch, and the AirPods will just switch.
>>> 
>>> Each AirPod has infrared sensors, so they know when they’re in your ears or 
>>> not, and an accelerometer so you can double-tap either AirPod to invoke 
>>> Siri. They don’t have any traditional buttons, unlike some Bluetooth 
>>> headphones: No on/off switch, no pairing button, no play/pause or 
>>> call-answering buttons, and no volume controls. Instead, you can double-tap 
>>> to get Siri—this pauses your music, but you can at least say “turn up the 
>>> volume” without fishing out your iPhone to turn it up on that device. It’s 
>>> a lot more awkward than just having volume controls built in.
>>> 
>>> Removing one AirPod from your ear while music is playing will automatically 
>>> pause it, perfect for interacting with a cashier, 

Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Mary Otten]

All I know is what I read in the article.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> How will they work with out the W1 chip say in my iPad or Mac?  Do they also 
> support bluetooth?
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your iPad 
>> or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new iPhone  
>> AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
>> Macworld  /  Susie Ochs
>> 
>> I didn’t want to like the AirPods, I really didn’t. But in the hands-on area 
>> after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I found myself dancing along in 
>> spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, feeling surprisingly secure. 
>> With convenient features on both the hardware and software sides, I have to 
>> admit that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods kind of rocked my world.
>> 
>> When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired 
>> EarPods that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your 
>> ear just as before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. 
>> They’re the same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard 
>> white plastic.
>> 
>> Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how normal 
>> EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay put, and 
>> they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do stay in, 
>> after about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I don’t 
>> experience the same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam tips. 
>> Since the AirPods look so similar, I expected them to feel the same too—and 
>> I’m surprised and happy to report that I was dead wrong.
>> 
>> Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed 
>> my hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods 
>> stayed put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded 
>> full and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was saying, 
>> as if I was completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty 
>> impressive.
>> 
>> For Apple devices only
>> 
>> The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
>> specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a 
>> brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple 
>> devices running the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and 
>> watchOS 3. The AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a 
>> way to pair them to an Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
>> Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the AirPods to put them into pairing 
>> mode. We’ll test to confirm when we get review units, but it seems like the 
>> AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple devices.
>> 
>> Susie Ochs
>> When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
>> automatically. See the little AirPods icon?
>> 
>> When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
>> most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby 
>> iPhone offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do 
>> this every time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to 
>> your iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your 
>> iPhone, as well as with any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same iCloud 
>> account. I didn’t get to test how seamless it is to switch between devices, 
>> but the idea is, you can pause music on your iPhone, start playing songs 
>> stored on your Apple Watch, and the AirPods will just switch.
>> 
>> Each AirPod has infrared sensors, so they know when they’re in your ears or 
>> not, and an accelerometer so you can double-tap either AirPod to invoke 
>> Siri. They don’t have any traditional buttons, unlike some Bluetooth 
>> headphones: No on/off switch, no pairing button, no play/pause or 
>> call-answering buttons, and no volume controls. Instead, you can double-tap 
>> to get Siri—this pauses your music, but you can at least say “turn up the 
>> volume” without fishing out your iPhone to turn it up on that device. It’s a 
>> lot more awkward than just having volume controls built in.
>> 
>> Removing one AirPod from your ear while music is playing will automatically 
>> pause it, perfect for interacting with a cashier, barista, or nosy passerby 
>> who has questions about your AirPods. The auto-pausing effect is incredibly 
>> cool—I wish all my headphones did this. Just don’t remove both AirPods, or 
>> the audio playback will automatically switch back to your iPhone’s speakers, 
>> leaving you scrambling to pause it.
>> 
>> Power to go
>> 
>> The charging case is pretty neat on its own, too. It’s got a Lightning port 
>> in the back, and you can charge just the case on its 

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

Larry,
   I have gotten as far as setting things up in DBT Global settings. 
Even though I added the embosser in system prefs, DBT does not see it in 
the write to port dialog. I put the word null in the write to file 
dialog as you did but that did not help.


   When I add the embosser in system prefs, it errors out but I could 
complete the process if I turn it off and on again. Still need to look 
at that again.


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On 9/8/2016 8:27 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

The details are fuzzy now and I’m a relative Mac newcomer so the procedures 
aren’t burned in yet, but if I recall correctly, I made sure it was turned on 
and plugged it in.  I think I had to go to Printers and Scanners and add it.  
It found it and identified it as a generic postscript printer.  That concerned 
me a little since Postscript has nothing to do with it, but I accepted this 
designation.  Associating it with DBT is somewhat tricky in that as you set it 
up there’s an option to print to file that you don’t want, but if you don’t put 
in a file name anyway then switch back away to the option you actually want it 
doesn’t work.  I typed in “null.”  They might have fixed that now because that 
was in an earlier release.  Also be aware that from the emboss panel it doesn’t 
work unless you navigate to the Ok button with VO and activate it.  Just 
pressing enter when everything is the way you want makes the dialog disappear 
but nothing happens.  I think this too is being fixed in the next version.  If 
you find and submit issues they are quick to acknowledge and work with you to 
find the root cause.


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Larry,
  Installed beta 3 but have not played with it since I cannot get my Classic 
connected anyway via USB. How did you manage that?

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On 9/8/2016 7:16 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

I’m using the beta with a Juliet Classic, so I can’t comment on the question at 
hand, but I did want to warn you if you haven’t got the beta yet that you will 
want to wait until the next build.  There are still some Voiceover issues that 
will leave you wanting to throw heavy objects at the screen.  Until they fix it 
I am doing my edits in windows and only using the beta to translate and emboss 
the final product.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on the 
Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS X 
anyway.

 So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, what 
embossers will work? Thanks.

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Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Scott Granados]

How will they work with out the W1 chip say in my iPad or Mac?  Do they also 
support bluetooth?

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your iPad 
> or other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new iPhone  
> AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
> Macworld  /  Susie Ochs
> 
> I didn’t want to like the AirPods , I really 
> didn’t. But in the hands-on area after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I 
> found myself dancing along in spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, 
> feeling surprisingly secure. With convenient features on both the hardware 
> and software sides, I have to admit that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods 
> kind of rocked my world.
> 
> When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired 
> EarPods that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your ear 
> just as before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. 
> They’re the same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard 
> white plastic.
> 
> Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how normal 
> EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay put, and 
> they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do stay in, 
> after about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I don’t 
> experience the same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam tips. Since 
> the AirPods look so similar, I expected them to feel the same too—and I’m 
> surprised and happy to report that I was dead wrong.
> 
> Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed my 
> hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods 
> stayed put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded 
> full and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was saying, 
> as if I was completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty 
> impressive.
> 
> For Apple devices only
> 
> The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
> specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a 
> brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple 
> devices running the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and 
> watchOS 3. The AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a 
> way to pair them to an Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
> Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the AirPods to put them into pairing 
> mode. We’ll test to confirm when we get review units, but it seems like the 
> AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple devices.
> 
> Susie Ochs
> When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
> automatically. See the little AirPods icon?
> 
> When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
> most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby iPhone 
> offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do this 
> every time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to your 
> iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your iPhone, 
> as well as with any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same iCloud account. 
> I didn’t get to test how seamless it is to switch between devices, but the 
> idea is, you can pause music on your iPhone, start playing songs stored on 
> your Apple Watch, and the AirPods will just switch.
> 
> Each AirPod has infrared sensors, so they know when they’re in your ears or 
> not, and an accelerometer so you can double-tap either AirPod to invoke Siri. 
> They don’t have any traditional buttons, unlike some Bluetooth headphones: No 
> on/off switch, no pairing button, no play/pause or call-answering buttons, 
> and no volume controls. Instead, you can double-tap to get Siri—this pauses 
> your music, but you can at least say “turn up the volume” without fishing out 
> your iPhone to turn it up on that device. It’s a lot more awkward than just 
> having volume controls built in.
> 
> Removing one AirPod from your ear while music is playing will automatically 
> pause it, perfect for interacting with a cashier, barista, or nosy passerby 
> who has questions about your AirPods. The auto-pausing effect is incredibly 
> cool—I wish all my headphones did this. Just don’t remove both AirPods, or 
> the audio playback will automatically switch back to your iPhone’s speakers, 
> leaving you scrambling to pause it.
> 
> Power to go
> 
> The charging case is pretty neat on its own, too. It’s got a Lightning port 
> in the back, and you can charge just the case on its own or the AirPods 
> inside the case. That’s right—while the AirPods themselves get about 5 hours 
> of playback per charge, according to Apple, the case has a battery, so you 
> can top off on the 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

Update with out hesitation, it’s a great release.  It fixes a lot of the audio 
routing problems as well at least the ones I was having so well worth it in my 
case and I feel it will be for others as well.

The mac OSX release is also very very good.  Update em if you got em.

For what it’s worth, this is the best software release Apple has done post Jobs 
in my opinion.  Not necessarily for features but more for stability and just a 
good all around solid release with fewer bugs than previous whole number 
updates.


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
> Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
> ForTotallyBlind users?
> JustWonderin'
> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
>> the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
>> testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
>> though guys, it won't be much longer.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
>>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
>>> Alex Hall can confirm this.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
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>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
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 Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
 features in IOS10?
 
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

I don’t believe the watch is available until the 13th and the phone next 
Friday.  Not sure if the UK is different.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> On Saturday I’m going to the Apple Store and getting both products, phone and 
> watch.  I hope I can get the phone under the new I phone program.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 15:35, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Kawal, that’s a complicated issue about the smart watches.
>> 
>> Yes, blind people can use some of the Samsung watches to a certain degree.  
>> There’s real confusion about which ones talk and which don’t.  The UK 
>> version does not for example have accessibility options but the United 
>> states version does.  Steve Nut over there on the eyes-free list can speak 
>> to this with a lot more authority as he actually went down this path.
>>  Also, the accessibility isn’t as good.  You can’t run a lot of the apps 
>> if any and not even all the included apps are accessible.
>> 
>> As for the speaker, guys, there’s all sorts of water friendly options for 
>> speakers.  Just because water gets in there doesn’t mean the end of the 
>> world.  As Tim Cook mentioned, the engineers worked hard on the specific 
>> seals and ports to make sure they didn’t leak water.  Then you manufacture 
>> your speaker out of something other than paper that will deal with water, 
>> seal it up and bob’s your uncle.  Apple putting in a mechanism to use the 
>> speaker to eject the water is a pretty cool idea though.  I have a gun that 
>> works on a similar principle so if you get it filled with water when you 
>> fire it won’t blow up in your face from the trapped gases.
>> 
>> So here’s what I’m wondering, will voiceover work under water?  What happens 
>> if I’m diving and tap the watch? :)
>>  
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I could imagine water being ejected from the speaker by itself.  I know if 
>>> water got in the speaker it would be terrifying.  But Apple designed it so 
>>> that the water would come out and it still worked.  Would Samsung do that?  
>>> Are they just copying each other or are Samsung smart watches not able to 
>>> go in the water?  Also blind people can’t use those smart watches or can 
>>> they?
 On 7 Sep 2016, at 22:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote:
 
 Just curious, but why would you laugh about that?  To me, if water got 
 inside the speaker, that would be an oh crap! moment, I'd think.  Or, is 
 that kind of your point?
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> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water 
> would come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
> 
> I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent 
> it is from the I phone?
> 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Michael Marshall]

I love Griffin, they make the fantastic iMike USB thing with the mike jack 
witch i use.
You could get a lightning dock, they have a 3.5 Jack on them and ability to 
connect to power and listen to music.
Belkin just announced a splitter called the Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar, 
which will be available in October, and will allow you to plug your Lightning 
charge cable into one side, and a pair of Lightning headphones into the other
Not great solutions I know but solutions nonetheless..  
> On 8 Sep. 2016, at 10:18 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Ah, I stand corrected.  Now, if it had been me, I’d have included one with 
> the charging port on it.
> 
> Most likely if Apple doesn’t come out with one, Griffin will.  
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ray, the adapter for sale is simply the same as the one that comes in the 
>> box, in case you lose it or need more of them. It doesn't include a charging 
>> port.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 8/09/2016, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, a 
>>> version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it up 
>>> to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller > wrote:
 
 While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according to 
 the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there is 
 not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
 adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to replace 
 it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was the 
> end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did not get 
> around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told you so".
> 
> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
> 
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>> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>> 
>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
>> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
>> 
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

On Saturday I’m going to the Apple Store and getting both products, phone and 
watch.  I hope I can get the phone under the new I phone program.

Kawal.
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 15:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Kawal, that’s a complicated issue about the smart watches.
> 
> Yes, blind people can use some of the Samsung watches to a certain degree.  
> There’s real confusion about which ones talk and which don’t.  The UK version 
> does not for example have accessibility options but the United states version 
> does.  Steve Nut over there on the eyes-free list can speak to this with a 
> lot more authority as he actually went down this path.
>   Also, the accessibility isn’t as good.  You can’t run a lot of the apps 
> if any and not even all the included apps are accessible.
> 
> As for the speaker, guys, there’s all sorts of water friendly options for 
> speakers.  Just because water gets in there doesn’t mean the end of the 
> world.  As Tim Cook mentioned, the engineers worked hard on the specific 
> seals and ports to make sure they didn’t leak water.  Then you manufacture 
> your speaker out of something other than paper that will deal with water, 
> seal it up and bob’s your uncle.  Apple putting in a mechanism to use the 
> speaker to eject the water is a pretty cool idea though.  I have a gun that 
> works on a similar principle so if you get it filled with water when you fire 
> it won’t blow up in your face from the trapped gases.
> 
> So here’s what I’m wondering, will voiceover work under water?  What happens 
> if I’m diving and tap the watch? :)
>  
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I could imagine water being ejected from the speaker by itself.  I know if 
>> water got in the speaker it would be terrifying.  But Apple designed it so 
>> that the water would come out and it still worked.  Would Samsung do that?  
>> Are they just copying each other or are Samsung smart watches not able to go 
>> in the water?  Also blind people can’t use those smart watches or can they?
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 22:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just curious, but why would you laugh about that?  To me, if water got 
>>> inside the speaker, that would be an oh crap! moment, I'd think.  Or, is 
>>> that kind of your point?
>>> ---
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>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mary Otten]

Well this arrangement does make sense though, since people who are OK with the 
new lightning headphones who also want to charge at the same time will be able 
to use Belkin's adapter to do that. So this adapter will serve both communities 
of folks with wired headphones, either lightning ones or the ones with the 
traditional plug on them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Belkin have just announced an adapter. It's a bit unwieldy in that it has two 
> Lightning female connectors and another connector that plugs into the 
> Lightning port of your phone. So you'll need to have a Lightning to 3.5 
> adapter plugged into one of the female Lightning ports just to use the wired 
> headphones that once plugged into the jack. It's a lot of bits you could 
> lose, but I guess it's something.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 8:21 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> How hard would it be to design or adapt something.  Seems to be a ready 
>> market.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 13:16, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because at the time that post was written, no such Splitter had been 
>>> announced.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
 On 9/09/2016, at 8:14 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
 
 Why not use a splitter?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally 
> like all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it 
> will eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used 
> to, but at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the 
> only company that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every 
> other manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, 
> tablets and other portable devices.
> Original message:
>> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an 
>> open, ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary 
>> port. USB C would have been preferable, although you can understand that 
>> with Apple having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing 
>> the jack and the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
> 
> 
>>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>> 
>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
>> approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning 
>> interface instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device 
>> contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they 
>> don't like a particular company's product, they can refuse to provide 
>> the chip and the device will not work. It will be interesting to see if 
>> they ever embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with 
>> their proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my 
>> biggest pet peeves about Apple.
>> Original message:
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
>> 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
>> news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to 
>> use your phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
>> been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
>> respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case 
>> if the spec permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
>> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they 
>> might allow you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
>> Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this 
>> one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the 
>> iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
>> Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with wired 
>> headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
>> Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
>> charge your 

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks very much for this link!!

Cait

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:55 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   This works and the Louis app can work with this too by sending jobs to the 
> app provided on this site.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/8/2016 11:41 AM, gkearney wrote:
>> Here is some information on getting various embossers, including very
>> old parallel embossers working on MacOS.
>> 
>> https://www.cbtbc.org/tools/embosser/
>> 
>> Also doing Braille translation and editing on MacOS can be found here:
>> 
>> https://www.cbtbc.org/braille/louis/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:27:36 UTC-5, The Believer wrote:
>> 
>>   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working
>>well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly
>>working under OS X anyway.
>> 
>>So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does
>>its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not
>>doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>ancient...@icloud.com
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

Definite +1 on the beta.  I switched over at about the same time and since they 
fixed the filevault and installation problems it’s been rock solid.  I agree I 
think it was about beta 2 or 3 that things really fell in to place.


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think this is breaking any rules.  But IOS10 has been ready for 
> primetime since beta 2/  This round of betas has been smooth and snappy ever 
> since.  I updated to the beta back in july, and haven’t looked back since.
> Checkout my groups
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> Come be sole out for Christ!
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> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Jenny Wood > > wrote:
>> 
>> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and a 
>> little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in yesterday’s 
>> keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes in accessibility 
>> fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it doesn’t even get so much 
>> as a mention these days. 
>> 
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>>  Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>  But the truth is,
>>  I could no more stop dreaming,
>>  Than I could make them all come true.”
>>  — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
>>> Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
>>> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
>>> ForTotallyBlind users?
>>> JustWonderin'
>>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
 With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
 the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
 testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
 though guys, it won't be much longer.
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 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" >
 To: >
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
 
 
> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone 
> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
> 
> Shawn
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> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
>> features in IOS10?
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>> 
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

Yeah, I’m lucky, my employer is all Apple at least in our team, my family is 
all using apple products so it makes things super easy.

I pretty much sold off all my non Apple hardware which was mostly server 
hardware and replaced it all with cloud based instances.  I’ve got one older 
android device (a nexus or pixel or what ever it’s called now will be ordered 
once released.

I still support USB-c though, one standard that’s open would be good for 
interconnection.



> On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Guess a Universal Standard isn't as Necessary ForYou since you are AllApple
> GoApple
> 
> I'm Not AllApple as I DabbleWith Other Operatin'Systems
> At 01:29 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>> I would be down for USB-c as well.  I’m all apple at my place so I don’t 
>> care so much about interoperability but USB-c would be good for everyone 
>> adopting the same standard.
>> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Nice, that's a good thing, I still think Apple should use standard 
>> > interfaces especially when using something proprietary offers no 
>> > advantage, and the lightning connector doesn't.
>> > Original message:
>> >> Mike, the lightning spec was opened up sometime ago because it was 
>> >> reverse engineered.  I think Apple still has a certification process but 
>> >> there’s plenty of stuff out there now that’s lightning compatible, 
>> >> with the appropriate chip but not necessarily blessed by Apple.  Not sure 
>> >> if this is a Chinese intellectual property look the other way deal but 
>> >> for example I just bought a bunch of lightning cables on Amazon for about 
>> >> $5 a piece that include the chip or at least let’s say include a chip 
>> >> that convinces the lightning circuits it’s Apple approved.
>> >
>> >
>> >>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
>> >>> approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning 
>> >>> interface instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device 
>> >>> contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they 
>> >>> don't like a particular company's product, they can refuse to provide 
>> >>> the chip and the device will not work. It will be interesting to see if 
>> >>> they ever embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with 
>> >>> their proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my 
>> >>> biggest pet peeves about Apple.
>> >>> Original message:
>>  Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
>>  2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
>>  news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you 
>>  to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
>>  The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
>>  been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
>>  doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this 
>>  use case if the spec permits.
>>  In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
>>  these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, 
>>  they might allow you to make do for a bit.
>>  1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
>>  Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
>>  this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the 
>>  iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
>>  Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
>>  wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
>>  Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>>  Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
>>  charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
>>  jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it 
>>  there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this 
>>  could work.
>>  Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
>>  Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
>>  many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll 
>>  know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick 
>>  charge.
>> >
>>  These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
>>  pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't 
>>  an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have 
>>  at present.
>> >
>>  Jonathan Mosen
>>  Mosen Consulting
>>  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> 

Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

Not hard at all.

My understanding from my contact at Bose is they received the specs during the 
announcement so I would assume they did that for most hardware manufacturers 
and we’ll start to see other hardware supporting this standard.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> How hard would it be to design or adapt something.  Seems to be a ready 
> market.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 13:16, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Because at the time that post was written, no such Splitter had been 
>> announced.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 9/09/2016, at 8:14 AM, Cheree Heppe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why not use a splitter?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo > wrote:
 
 this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally 
 like all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it 
 will eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used 
 to, but at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the 
 only company that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every 
 other manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, 
 tablets and other portable devices.
 Original message:
> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an 
> open, ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary 
> port. USB C would have been preferable, although you can understand that 
> with Apple having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing 
> the jack and the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org   >
 
 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo >  > >> wrote:
> 
> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a 
> chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like 
> a particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and 
> the device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever 
> embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their 
> proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest 
> pet peeves about Apple.
> Original message:
 
 
> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
> 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
> news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to 
> use your phone and charge it at the same time.
> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
> respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
> the spec permits.
> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they 
> might allow you to make do for a bit.
> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone 
> will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. 
> This means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into 
> the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
> charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
> jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
> or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could 
> work.
> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
> Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many 
> Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that 
> is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
 
 
 
> These are convoluted solutions 

Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Robin]

Guess a Universal Standard isn't as Necessary ForYou since you are AllApple
GoApple

I'm Not AllApple as I DabbleWith Other Operatin'Systems
At 01:29 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
I would be down for USB-c as well.  I’m all 
apple at my place so I don’t care so much 
about interoperability but USB-c would be good 
for everyone adopting the same standard.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
> Nice, that's a good thing, I still think 
Apple should use standard interfaces especially 
when using something proprietary offers no 
advantage, and the lightning connector doesn't.

> Original message:
>> Mike, the lightning spec was opened up 
sometime ago because it was reverse 
engineered.  I think Apple still has a 
certification process but there’s plenty of 
stuff out there now that’s lightning 
compatible, with the appropriate chip but not 
necessarily blessed by Apple.  Not sure if this 
is a Chinese intellectual property look the 
other way deal but for example I just bought a 
bunch of lightning cables on Amazon for about 
$5 a piece that include the chip or at least 
let’s say include a chip that convinces the 
lightning circuits it’s Apple approved.

>
>
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>
>>> Even for a third party company to address 
it, Apple would need to approve the accessory, 
this is one reason why they use the lightning 
interface instead of standard USB connections. 
Every lightning device contains a chip that 
indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides 
they don't like a particular company's product, 
they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
device will not work. It will be interesting to 
see if they ever embrace the up coming standard 
USB C interface or stick with their 
proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. 
That is one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.

>>> Original message:
 Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted 
in my blog post of November 2015 and in 
subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed 
by multiple news sources today, Apple has not 
released an adapter that allows you to use your 
phone and charge it at the same time.
 The reaction to this lack of addressing of 
an important use case has been fierce even 
among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
doesn't respond quickly, a third-party 
manufacturer will address this use case if the spec permits.
 In the mean time, here are a couple of 
work-arounds. I don't think these are at all 
adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an 
iPhone 7, they might allow you to make do for a bit.
 1. Those of you who listened to the recap 
of the Apple event on The Blind Side with Jeff 
Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the 
Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will give 
your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to 
use your phone with wired headphones while 
charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
 Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in 
its store for $49. This will charge your phone, 
provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm 
headphone jack. If you charge your phone by the 
bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
 Third, a number of manufacturers, such as 
Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth adapter. This 
could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I 
guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.

>
 These are convoluted solutions for dealing 
with a use case that is pretty basic for any 
decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds 
aren't an option for you, as they are not for 
me, they seem to be all we have at present.

>
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Belkin have just announced an adapter. It's a bit unwieldy in that it has two 
Lightning female connectors and another connector that plugs into the Lightning 
port of your phone. So you'll need to have a Lightning to 3.5 adapter plugged 
into one of the female Lightning ports just to use the wired headphones that 
once plugged into the jack. It's a lot of bits you could lose, but I guess it's 
something.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 9/09/2016, at 8:21 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> How hard would it be to design or adapt something.  Seems to be a ready 
> market.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 13:16, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Because at the time that post was written, no such Splitter had been 
>> announced.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 9/09/2016, at 8:14 AM, Cheree Heppe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why not use a splitter?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo > wrote:
 
 this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally 
 like all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it 
 will eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used 
 to, but at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the 
 only company that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every 
 other manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, 
 tablets and other portable devices.
 Original message:
> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an 
> open, ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary 
> port. USB C would have been preferable, although you can understand that 
> with Apple having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing 
> the jack and the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org   >
 
 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo >  > >> wrote:
> 
> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a 
> chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like 
> a particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and 
> the device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever 
> embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their 
> proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest 
> pet peeves about Apple.
> Original message:
 
 
> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
> 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
> news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to 
> use your phone and charge it at the same time.
> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
> respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
> the spec permits.
> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they 
> might allow you to make do for a bit.
> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone 
> will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. 
> This means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into 
> the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
> charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
> jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
> or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could 
> work.
> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
> Bluetooth 

Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

It’s interesting that the MacBook has usb-c but no other products do that I’m 
aware of.  Wonder if it’s added to the next round of MacBook pro hardware, when 
ever that’s released.


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like 
> all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
> eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but at 
> least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company that 
> uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other manufacturer uses 
> either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and other portable 
> devices.
> Original message:
>> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
>> ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
>> would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
>> having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
>> the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
> 
> 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
> 
>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
>> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
>> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip 
>> that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
>> particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
>> device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the 
>> up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
>> nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about 
>> Apple.
>> Original message:
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
> 
> 
>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> 
> 
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org  >
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

I would be down for USB-c as well.  I’m all apple at my place so I don’t care 
so much about interoperability but USB-c would be good for everyone adopting 
the same standard.  
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Nice, that's a good thing, I still think Apple should use standard interfaces 
> especially when using something proprietary offers no advantage, and the 
> lightning connector doesn't.
> Original message:
>> Mike, the lightning spec was opened up sometime ago because it was reverse 
>> engineered.  I think Apple still has a certification process but there’s 
>> plenty of stuff out there now that’s lightning compatible, with the 
>> appropriate chip but not necessarily blessed by Apple.  Not sure if this is 
>> a Chinese intellectual property look the other way deal but for example I 
>> just bought a bunch of lightning cables on Amazon for about $5 a piece that 
>> include the chip or at least let’s say include a chip that convinces the 
>> lightning circuits it’s Apple approved.
> 
> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
>>> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
>>> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip 
>>> that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
>>> particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
>>> device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace 
>>> the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
>>> nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves 
>>> about Apple.
>>> Original message:
 Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
 sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
 your phone and charge it at the same time.
 The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
 fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
 respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
 the spec permits.
 In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
 are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
 allow you to make do for a bit.
 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
 Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
 already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
 give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
 means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
 charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
 case, then your headphones into the adapter.
 Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
 charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
 jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
 or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
 Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
 adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
 audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
 them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
 These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
 basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
 for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> 
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Cheree Heppe]

How hard would it be to design or adapt something.  Seems to be a ready market.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 13:16, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Because at the time that post was written, no such Splitter had been 
> announced.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 8:14 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not use a splitter?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like 
>>> all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
>>> eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but 
>>> at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company 
>>> that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other 
>>> manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets 
>>> and other portable devices.
>>> Original message:
 I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
 ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
 would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
 having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
 the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
>>> 
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
>>> 
>>> 
> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
 
 Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
 the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
 instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a 
 chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
 particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
 device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace 
 the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
 nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves 
 about Apple.
 Original message:
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
 sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
 your phone and charge it at the same time.
 The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
 fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
 respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
 the spec permits.
 In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
 are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
 allow you to make do for a bit.
 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
 Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
 already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
 give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
 means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
 charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
 case, then your headphones into the adapter.
 Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
 charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
 jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
 or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
 Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
 adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
 audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
 them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
 basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
 for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org  >
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Because at the time that post was written, no such Splitter had been announced.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 9/09/2016, at 8:14 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Why not use a splitter?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like 
>> all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
>> eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but 
>> at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company 
>> that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other 
>> manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and 
>> other portable devices.
>> Original message:
>>> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
>>> ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
>>> would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
>>> having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
>>> the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
>> 
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
>> 
>> 
 On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
>>> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
>>> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip 
>>> that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
>>> particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
>>> device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace 
>>> the up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
>>> nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves 
>>> about Apple.
>>> Original message:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
>>> your phone and charge it at the same time.
>>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>>> permits.
>>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
>>> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
>>> allow you to make do for a bit.
>>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org  >
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>>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Cheree Heppe]

Why not use a splitter?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like 
> all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
> eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but at 
> least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company that 
> uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other manufacturer uses 
> either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and other portable 
> devices.
> Original message:
>> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
>> ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
>> would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
>> having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
>> the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
> 
> 
>>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>> 
>> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve 
>> the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface 
>> instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip 
>> that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a 
>> particular company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the 
>> device will not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the 
>> up coming standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
>> nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about 
>> Apple.
>> Original message:
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
> 
> 
>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> 
> 
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org  >
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I've kept quiet through all of this, but feel the need to say one thing.  Just 
because most others do it, does not mean that everyone needs to.  Most cars run 
on gasoline, but some run on Diesel and others on electricity.  If Apple 
chooses to use a lightning port, there's likely a business or technological 
reason for doing so.  If their rationale is flawed, they'll figure it out, or 
the market will figure it out for them.  These sorts of decisions don't seem to 
have hurt them so far, often loads of complaining, but people still buy their 
product.  Maybe their reasons aren't as flawed as many believe.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:23, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally like all 
other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess it will 
eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting used to, but at 
least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company that 
uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other manufacturer uses 
either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and other portable 
devices.
Original message:
> I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
> ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
> would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple 
> having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and 
> the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.

> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 


> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:

> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve the 
> accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface instead of 
> standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip that 
> indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a particular 
> company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the device will 
> not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the up coming 
> standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of 
> doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.
> Original message:


> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
> phone and charge it at the same time.
> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
> permits.
> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
> you to make do for a bit.
> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If you 
> charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps you 
> use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.



> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option for 
> you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.



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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

   Have been told this. So does this mean one cannot send documents 
created with Duxbury?


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On 9/8/2016 11:47 AM, gkearney wrote:

Danger Will Robertson! Doing Braille translation inside the embosser
does not permit you to correct any translation errors the internal
software might make, and every translation software make errors even
DBT. You also can not modify the layout of the Braille pages. What is
happening is the text is sent to the embosser which has a copy of
liblouis translation software in it. That software make a translation
which is then sent to the embossing mechanism there is no method of
making any kind of changes or corrections.



On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 17:30:34 UTC-5, anders wrote:

Hi!
I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its
own.
I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than
the Index.
/A
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
>
>   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are
working well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not
directly working under OS X anyway.
>
>   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index
does its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is
not doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

   This works and the Louis app can work with this too by sending jobs 
to the app provided on this site.


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On 9/8/2016 11:41 AM, gkearney wrote:

Here is some information on getting various embossers, including very
old parallel embossers working on MacOS.

https://www.cbtbc.org/tools/embosser/

Also doing Braille translation and editing on MacOS can be found here:

https://www.cbtbc.org/braille/louis/



On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:27:36 UTC-5, The Believer wrote:

   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working
well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly
working under OS X anyway.

So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does
its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not
doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.

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another questions about the lable making on the mac

[zoe fiogkos]

Sorry to Anne I deleted annes response by accident. Avery has a template you
can download for free, it's a word document. Could I convert this on the mac
to a pages format and use it to fill in the info and print my lables? If yes
how would I go about converting it?
Regards
Zoe


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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Kliphton Miller]

I don’t think this is breaking any rules.  But IOS10 has been ready for 
primetime since beta 2/  This round of betas has been smooth and snappy ever 
since.  I updated to the beta back in july, and haven’t looked back since.
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Jenny Wood  wrote:
> 
> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and a 
> little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in yesterday’s 
> keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes in accessibility 
> fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it doesn’t even get so much 
> as a mention these days. 
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>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
>> Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
>> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
>> ForTotallyBlind users?
>> JustWonderin'
>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
>>> the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
>>> testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
>>> though guys, it won't be much longer.
>>> ---
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>>> Training Instructor.
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>>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>>> 
>>> 
 Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
 accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
 Alex Hall can confirm this.
 
 Shawn
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
> features in IOS10?
> 
> Peace,
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[gkearney]

Here is some information on getting various embossers, including very old 
parallel embossers working on MacOS.

https://www.cbtbc.org/tools/embosser/

Also doing Braille translation and editing on MacOS can be found here:

https://www.cbtbc.org/braille/louis/



On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 15:27:36 UTC-5, The Believer wrote:
>
>If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working 
> well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly 
> working under OS X anyway. 
>
> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does 
> its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not 
> doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks. 
>
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[gkearney]

Danger Will Robertson! Doing Braille translation inside the embosser does 
not permit you to correct any translation errors the internal software 
might make, and every translation software make errors even DBT. You also 
can not modify the layout of the Braille pages. What is happening is the 
text is sent to the embosser which has a copy of liblouis translation 
software in it. That software make a translation which is then sent to the 
embossing mechanism there is no method of making any kind of changes or 
corrections.



On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 17:30:34 UTC-5, anders wrote:
>
> Hi! 
> I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own. 
> I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the 
> Index. 
> /A 
> > On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  
> wrote: 
> > 
> >   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working 
> well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly 
> working under OS X anyway. 
> > 
> >   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does 
> its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? 
> If so, what embossers will work? Thanks. 
> > 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Robin]

Can't Wait
USBC HeadPhones WouldBe GREAT!
I Presume
since Regular USB HeadPhones are SoGreat
JustSayin'
At 11:23 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard 
originally like all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next 
standard, I guess it will eventually replace micro USB, will 
probably take some getting used to, but at least it will be a 
standard. As far as I know, Apple is the only company that uses 
nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost every other manufacturer 
uses either micro USB or mini USB for their phones, tablets and 
other portable devices.

Original message:
I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where 
an open, ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a 
proprietary port. USB C would have been preferable, although you 
can understand that with Apple having invested so much in the 
Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and the Lightning port 
would have been very...courageous.



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On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the 
lightning interface instead of standard USB connections. Every 
lightning device contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. 
If Apple decides they don't like a particular company's product, 
they can refuse to provide the chip and the device will not work. 
It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the up coming 
standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, 
nonstandard ways of doing things. That is one of my biggest pet 
peeves about Apple.

Original message:



Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of 
November 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been 
confirmed by multiple news sources today, Apple has not released an 
adapter that allows you to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case 
has been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple 
itself doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will 
address this use case if the spec permits.
In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 
7, they might allow you to make do for a bit.
1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for 
the iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's 
supplied Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into 
the adapter.
Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This 
will charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm 
headphone jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want 
to use it there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's 
plugged in, this could work.
Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way 
we'll know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a 
quick charge.




These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds 
aren't an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be 
all we have at present.





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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mike Arrigo]

this is why they should have used Micro USB as the standard originally 
like all other manufacturers. USB C will be the next standard, I guess 
it will eventually replace micro USB, will probably take some getting 
used to, but at least it will be a standard. As far as I know, Apple is 
the only company that uses nonstandard ports on their devices. Almost 
every other manufacturer uses either micro USB or mini USB for their 
phones, tablets and other portable devices.

Original message:
I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an 
open, ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary 
port. USB C would have been preferable, although you can understand 
that with Apple having invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, 
replacing the jack and the Lightning port would have been very...courageous.



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http://Mosen.org 



On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning 
interface instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device 
contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides 
they don't like a particular company's product, they can refuse to 
provide the chip and the device will not work. It will be interesting 
to see if they ever embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or 
stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is 
one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.

Original message:



Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you 
to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this 
use case if the spec permits.
In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, 
they might allow you to make do for a bit.
1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the 
iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it 
there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this 
could work.
Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll 
know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.




These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't 
an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have 
at present.





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Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

   Just to make it clear, its Embraille E m b r a i l l e. Its produced 
by ViewPlus. Now no more hijackings please. (smiles)


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On 9/8/2016 11:08 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

mBraille is for iPhone, iPod Touch and even iPad.

On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:33, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

mbrialle is for the i phone-it’s just another braille keyboard for the phone..  
If I’m wrong, please correct me!

Cait


On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I want an EmBraille.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes you are absolutly right.
Mine is sheet fed and the basic is tractor fed.
THe basic is smaller in size though.
I had one long ago.
The downside is the box with paper on the flor.
/A

7 sep. 2016 kl. 21:22 skrev E.T. :

The only difference betweem the Everest and Basic is the Everest is sheet fed, 
not tractor fed? That might be more convenient since one would not have to have 
a box of paper on the floor in just the right position.

Well one day I hope to get my hands on one and see for myself. Appreciate your 
feedback.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 9/7/2016 12:01 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
Hi!
I have the Index everest 4 and its really great.
I have been printing from text edit and that worked well.
You have to do some settings on the embosser ofcourse but i guess thats not a 
problem for you.
/A

On 7 Sep 2016, at 00:33, E.T.  wrote:

Anders,
Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document files work 
well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good job of 
translating, it will be worth a good look.

I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests me though 
it does not support wide paper.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
Hi!
I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the Index.
/A

On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:

If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on the 
Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS X 
anyway.

So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, what 
embossers will work? Thanks.

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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mike Arrigo]

Nice, that's a good thing, I still think Apple should use standard 
interfaces especially when using something proprietary offers no 
advantage, and the lightning connector doesn't.

Original message:
Mike, the lightning spec was opened up sometime ago because it was 
reverse engineered.  I think Apple still has a certification process 
but there’s plenty of stuff out there now that’s lightning compatible, 
with the appropriate chip but not necessarily blessed by Apple.  Not 
sure if this is a Chinese intellectual property look the other way deal 
but for example I just bought a bunch of lightning cables on Amazon for 
about $5 a piece that include the chip or at least let’s say include a 
chip that convinces the lightning circuits it’s Apple approved.




On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning 
interface instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device 
contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides 
they don't like a particular company's product, they can refuse to 
provide the chip and the device will not work. It will be interesting 
to see if they ever embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or 
stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is 
one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.

Original message:
Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you 
to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this 
use case if the spec permits.
In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, 
they might allow you to make do for a bit.
1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the 
iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it 
there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this 
could work.
Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll 
know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.


These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't 
an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have 
at present.



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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[christopher hallsworth]

I concur with you as well. Just hang in there guys, it will be well worth the 
wait. Trust us guys.
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being the 
> official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
> testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
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> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
> 
> 
>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
>> Alex Hall can confirm this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility features 
>>> in IOS10?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
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>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[christopher hallsworth]

mBraille is for iPhone, iPod Touch and even iPad.
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:33, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> 
> mbrialle is for the i phone-it’s just another braille keyboard for the 
> phone..  If I’m wrong, please correct me!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I want an EmBraille.
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes you are absolutly right.
>> Mine is sheet fed and the basic is tractor fed.
>> THe basic is smaller in size though.
>> I had one long ago.
>> The downside is the box with paper on the flor.
>> /A
>>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 21:22 skrev E.T. :
>>> 
>>> The only difference betweem the Everest and Basic is the Everest is sheet 
>>> fed, not tractor fed? That might be more convenient since one would not 
>>> have to have a box of paper on the floor in just the right position.
>>> 
>>> Well one day I hope to get my hands on one and see for myself. Appreciate 
>>> your feedback.
>>> 
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>>> 
 On 9/7/2016 12:01 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 I have the Index everest 4 and its really great.
 I have been printing from text edit and that worked well.
 You have to do some settings on the embosser ofcourse but i guess thats 
 not a problem for you.
 /A
> On 7 Sep 2016, at 00:33, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document 
> files work well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good 
> job of translating, it will be worth a good look.
> 
> I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests me 
> though it does not support wide paper.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
>> I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the 
>> Index.
>> /A
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well 
>>> on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working 
>>> under OS X anyway.
>>> 
>>> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
>>> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? 
>>> If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[christopher hallsworth]

Christopher, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I’ve been running the betas from 
the very very beginning too, and just concur with your thoughts.
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 18:59, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, I cannot give any specifics, but I will at least bend enough to tell you 
> yes, absolutely, I would suggest everyone update on Tuesday.  I've been 
> running the betas since the very very day they were released at WWDC and let 
> me just say this:  I'm blown away!  I dare say, this has by far probably been 
> the most rock solid beta cycle I yet have seen!  To be honest with you, iOS 
> 10 now feels so rock solid to me, and so bug-free, I'm running it not just on 
> my production phone, but I'm even going so far as to run it on my business 
> mobile phone, and frankly, I tell ya:  I can't even tell I'm running a beta!  
> It's literally that! smooth!  I freaking love it!
> 
> So, in conclusion, yes, ab, suh, lootly! I'd update on Wednesday, if you're 
> asking for my opinion.
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> - Original Message - From: "Robin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
> 
> 
>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
>> Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
>> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
>> ForTotallyBlind users?
>> JustWonderin'
>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
>>> the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
>>> testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
>>> though guys, it won't be much longer.
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>>> 
>>> 
 Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
 accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
 Alex Hall can confirm this.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
> features in IOS10?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It's very much worth it, yes.
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  From: Jenny Wood 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


  Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and a 
little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in yesterday’s 
keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes in accessibility 
fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it doesn’t even get so much as 
a mention these days. 


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On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin  wrote:


Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
ForTotallyBlind users?
JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:

  With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there though 
guys, it won't be much longer.
  ---
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  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  clgillan...@gmail.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
  To: 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility



Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. Alex 
Hall can confirm this.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


  On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:

  Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
features in IOS10?

  Peace,
  Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

  mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[E.T.]

   This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and 
prefer to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right 
on new releases. And to read AppleVis.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.

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On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin > wrote:

Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:

With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
 Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
---
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Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com 
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility



Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
else. Alex Hall can confirm this.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson
 wrote:

Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
features in IOS10?

Peace,
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, I cannot give any specifics, but I will at least bend enough to tell you 
yes, absolutely, I would suggest everyone update on Tuesday.  I've been 
running the betas since the very very day they were released at WWDC and let 
me just say this:  I'm blown away!  I dare say, this has by far probably 
been the most rock solid beta cycle I yet have seen!  To be honest with you, 
iOS 10 now feels so rock solid to me, and so bug-free, I'm running it not 
just on my production phone, but I'm even going so far as to run it on my 
business mobile phone, and frankly, I tell ya:  I can't even tell I'm 
running a beta!  It's literally that! smooth!  I freaking love it!


So, in conclusion, yes, ab, suh, lootly! I'd update on Wednesday, if you're 
asking for my opinion.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Robin" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot 
to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
ForTotallyBlind users?

JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
though guys, it won't be much longer.

---
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clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone 
else. Alex Hall can confirm this.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:


Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
features in IOS10?


Peace,
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mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Jenny Wood]

Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and a 
little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in yesterday’s 
keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes in accessibility 
fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it doesn’t even get so much as 
a mention these days. 

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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot to 
> Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON 
> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically 
> ForTotallyBlind users?
> JustWonderin'
> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
>> the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
>> testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
>> though guys, it won't be much longer.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
>>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
>>> Alex Hall can confirm this.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
 features in IOS10?
 
 Peace,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Robin]

Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as 
WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its 
Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime 
MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?

JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with 
Shawn.  Being the official release date isn't until next week, we 
devs as well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little 
while longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.

---
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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like 
everyone else. Alex Hall can confirm this.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:

Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
features in IOS10?


Peace,
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Robin]

I'm Curious
Jonathan, Are you Plannin' to Acquire Apple's iPhone7+? I 
recall you suggestin' you wouldn't if it failed to retain its HeadphoneJack

JustWonderin'

WhoKnows
MayBe Apple's Wireless AirPods will WorkIncredibly
TimeWillTell
&
I personally FEEL if Apple's iPhone7+ are NOT BigSellers
MayBe
Apple will BringBack its HeadphoneJack IN its Next iteration of the iPhone

At 07:59 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of 
November 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed 
by multiple news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter 
that allows you to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address 
this use case if the spec permits.
In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 
7, they might allow you to make do for a bit.
1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for 
the iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's 
supplied Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into 
the adapter.
Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm 
headphone jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to 
use it there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged 
in, this could work.
Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll 
know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.


These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds 
aren't an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be 
all we have at present.

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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Caitlyn Furness]

mbrialle is for the i phone-it’s just another braille keyboard for the phone..  
If I’m wrong, please correct me!

Cait

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I want an EmBraille.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes you are absolutly right.
> Mine is sheet fed and the basic is tractor fed.
> THe basic is smaller in size though.
> I had one long ago.
> The downside is the box with paper on the flor.
> /A
>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 21:22 skrev E.T. :
>> 
>> The only difference betweem the Everest and Basic is the Everest is sheet 
>> fed, not tractor fed? That might be more convenient since one would not have 
>> to have a box of paper on the floor in just the right position.
>> 
>> Well one day I hope to get my hands on one and see for myself. Appreciate 
>> your feedback.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
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>> 
>>> On 9/7/2016 12:01 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> I have the Index everest 4 and its really great.
>>> I have been printing from text edit and that worked well.
>>> You have to do some settings on the embosser ofcourse but i guess thats not 
>>> a problem for you.
>>> /A
 On 7 Sep 2016, at 00:33, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Anders,
 Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document files 
 work well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good job of 
 translating, it will be worth a good look.
 
 I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests me 
 though it does not support wide paper.
 
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 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
> I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the 
> Index.
> /A
>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well 
>> on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working 
>> under OS X anyway.
>> 
>> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
>> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? 
>> If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>> 
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AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Mary Otten]

Here is some more on the air pods. They will work with your Mac or your iPad or 
other iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud as your new iPhone  AirPods 
hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome
Macworld  /  Susie Ochs

I didn’t want to like the AirPods, I really didn’t. But in the hands-on area 
after Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I found myself dancing along in 
spite of myself—and the AirPods stayed put, feeling surprisingly secure. With 
convenient features on both the hardware and software sides, I have to admit 
that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods kind of rocked my world.

When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind of look like the old wired EarPods 
that someone snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills your ear just as 
before, and a plastic stem hangs down a bit below your earlobe. They’re the 
same general shape as the EarPods and made from the same hard white plastic.

Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for me for years—I hate how normal 
EarPods feel in my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going to stay put, and 
they simply fall out if I move my head too much. Even if they do stay in, after 
about a half hour, my ears just start to ache, although I don’t experience the 
same pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam tips. Since the AirPods look 
so similar, I expected them to feel the same too—and I’m surprised and happy to 
report that I was dead wrong.

Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my head side to side, I tossed my 
hair, I jogged in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. The AirPods stayed 
put, and they stayed loud. The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded full and 
lush and I couldn’t hear a single word anyone around me was saying, as if I was 
completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty impressive.

For Apple devices only

The AirPods’ special features are pretty impressive too, even though that 
specialness means they only work with Apple devices. You don’t need a brand-new 
iPhone or Apple Watch to use them, but they only support Apple devices running 
the latest operating systems: iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and watchOS 3. The AirPods 
use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe there’d be a way to pair them to an 
Android phone or an iOS 8 device since those have Bluetooth too, but there’s no 
button on the AirPods to put them into pairing mode. We’ll test to confirm when 
we get review units, but it seems like the AirPods will only be “seen” by Apple 
devices.

Susie Ochs
When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired iPhone will play to them 
automatically. See the little AirPods icon?

When you first flip open the glossy white carrying box—which looks like the 
most high-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a screen on your nearby iPhone 
offering to pair. (That’s just the first time; you won’t have to do this every 
time you want to use the AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to your iPhone, you 
can also use them the Apple Watch that’s paired to your iPhone, as well as with 
any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same iCloud account. I didn’t get to 
test how seamless it is to switch between devices, but the idea is, you can 
pause music on your iPhone, start playing songs stored on your Apple Watch, and 
the AirPods will just switch.

Each AirPod has infrared sensors, so they know when they’re in your ears or 
not, and an accelerometer so you can double-tap either AirPod to invoke Siri. 
They don’t have any traditional buttons, unlike some Bluetooth headphones: No 
on/off switch, no pairing button, no play/pause or call-answering buttons, and 
no volume controls. Instead, you can double-tap to get Siri—this pauses your 
music, but you can at least say “turn up the volume” without fishing out your 
iPhone to turn it up on that device. It’s a lot more awkward than just having 
volume controls built in.

Removing one AirPod from your ear while music is playing will automatically 
pause it, perfect for interacting with a cashier, barista, or nosy passerby who 
has questions about your AirPods. The auto-pausing effect is incredibly cool—I 
wish all my headphones did this. Just don’t remove both AirPods, or the audio 
playback will automatically switch back to your iPhone’s speakers, leaving you 
scrambling to pause it.

Power to go

The charging case is pretty neat on its own, too. It’s got a Lightning port in 
the back, and you can charge just the case on its own or the AirPods inside the 
case. That’s right—while the AirPods themselves get about 5 hours of playback 
per charge, according to Apple, the case has a battery, so you can top off on 
the go. The case has enough juice for about 24 hours of playback, Apple says, 
which means you could recharge the AirPods nearly five times before you have to 
plug the case into a power adapter or USB port to recharge. Apple says that 
popping the AirPods into the charging case for 15 minutes will get you another 
3 hours of music—a tiny green LED inside the case lets 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.  Being 
the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well as public 
testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang in there 
though guys, it won't be much longer.

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Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the 
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone else. 
Alex Hall can confirm this.


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On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson  
wrote:


Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility 
features in IOS10?


Peace,
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Caitlyn Furness]

thanks..  this is on the embosser itself, correct?

thanks a lot!
Cait

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well there is a setting in the braille settings menu called liblouise which 
> changes how the printed material looks.
> You can change braille tables there.
> I haven’t changed this in a while so i have to look and get back.
> /A
>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 22:31 skrev Caitlyn Furness :
>> 
>> Anders,
>> Can you tell us what settings you have, etc?
>> 
>> I have a basic 4d index and would love love to use it!  right now it’s a 
>> great big door stop/paperweight!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I have the Index everest 4 and its really great.
>>> I have been printing from text edit and that worked well.
>>> You have to do some settings on the embosser ofcourse but i guess thats not 
>>> a problem for you.
>>> /A
 On 7 Sep 2016, at 00:33, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Anders,
 Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document files 
 work well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good job of 
 translating, it will be worth a good look.
 
 I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests me 
 though it does not support wide paper.
 
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 On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
> I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the 
> Index.
> /A
>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well 
>> on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working 
>> under OS X anyway.
>> 
>> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
>> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? 
>> If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

Larry,
   Made a bit of progress. Checking the cable, I realized I had a USB 
extender cable in there so took it out. As soon as I selected it in 
prefs, the embosser started spitting out paper. Once it stopped, the 
embosser went into error mode. But if I left it alone, I could add the 
embosser.


   I redid USB connections so I could connect this directly to the Mac 
and not into a hub. Same issue.


   I may connect to the Windows laptop and verify the embosser is still 
working properly.


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On 9/8/2016 8:27 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

The details are fuzzy now and I’m a relative Mac newcomer so the procedures 
aren’t burned in yet, but if I recall correctly, I made sure it was turned on 
and plugged it in.  I think I had to go to Printers and Scanners and add it.  
It found it and identified it as a generic postscript printer.  That concerned 
me a little since Postscript has nothing to do with it, but I accepted this 
designation.  Associating it with DBT is somewhat tricky in that as you set it 
up there’s an option to print to file that you don’t want, but if you don’t put 
in a file name anyway then switch back away to the option you actually want it 
doesn’t work.  I typed in “null.”  They might have fixed that now because that 
was in an earlier release.  Also be aware that from the emboss panel it doesn’t 
work unless you navigate to the Ok button with VO and activate it.  Just 
pressing enter when everything is the way you want makes the dialog disappear 
but nothing happens.  I think this too is being fixed in the next version.  If 
you find and submit issues they are quick to acknowledge and work with you to 
find the root cause.


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Larry,
  Installed beta 3 but have not played with it since I cannot get my Classic 
connected anyway via USB. How did you manage that?

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On 9/8/2016 7:16 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

I’m using the beta with a Juliet Classic, so I can’t comment on the question at 
hand, but I did want to warn you if you haven’t got the beta yet that you will 
want to wait until the next build.  There are still some Voiceover issues that 
will leave you wanting to throw heavy objects at the screen.  Until they fix it 
I am doing my edits in windows and only using the beta to translate and emboss 
the final product.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on the 
Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS X 
anyway.

 So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, what 
embossers will work? Thanks.

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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Mary Otten]

 I unders,
Well in this case, I think the people writing about the home button were saying 
that the feeling you got when you interacted with it was quite disconcerting, 
very noticeable, out of the ordinary, not at all like what happens on the 
MacBook trackpad, which apparently really does feel like you're clicking. This 
does not feel like the button is moving, and is quite disconcerting, is how I 
understood their reaction.  

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> What is Jaaring for me who is not a native english?
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, since you actually had hands on the phone, what can you say about the 
>> home button. Is it like on android phones that don't have one? That is, you 
>> just have a glass and you find a home button by exploring? Or is there still 
>> some kind of dimple or other tactile indication as to the home button's 
>> whereabouts? How about the feel of the  home button? A couple of the 
>> mainstream  reviews I read, where they had brief hands-on, did not like the 
>> home button. But change is hard. They were saying it was really quite 
>> jarring, not like the trackpad on say a MacBook.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This talk of there being no charging port is strange to me because the one 
>>> I held from in the box had one.  The shape was sort of like a lighting port 
>>> then a small cable with a very small box on the end with a 1/8th inch jack 
>>> and an additional port for the charger.  It’s possible it’s a different 
>>> adapter because the phone was connected on a test bench to power and the 
>>> audio jack was attached for audio testing.  We used an Ixia test suite for 
>>> point of reference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If they have changed the design that seems unlikely.  I’ve requested the 
>>> part number from my contact so we can look up to make sure it’s the stock 
>>> item.
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Ah, I stand corrected.  Now, if it had been me, I’d have included one with 
 the charging port on it.
 
 Most likely if Apple doesn’t come out with one, Griffin will.  
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray, the adapter for sale is simply the same as the one that comes in 
> the box, in case you lose it or need more of them. It doesn't include a 
> charging port.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> 
>> On 8/09/2016, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or 
>> so, a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, 
>> were it up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>>> replace it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
 carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
 the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
 not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
 you so".
 
 I hear that echo now. (smiles)
 
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> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
> your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
> 
> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Jonathan Mosen]

I have an Anka 20,000 MA battery for my long international flights, but of 
course I can't use wired headphones with the iPhone 7 and use that. A pretty 
basic use case for a frequent international traveller.
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> On 9/09/2016, at 4:30 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t want to have a case on as it makes the phone much bigger.
> I had an anker lipstick battery but gave it away.
> I have another wich i use but it can only do one and a half charge on the 
> iphone.
> So i am deffinitly looking for something good.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 17:25, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I guess this is why they say "different strokes." I definitely use a battery 
>> case. Of course, I'm not flying on a plane for 12 hours at a time. I'm just 
>> trying to get through a day of very heavy phone use, and I'm not always near 
>> a plug. So for me, a battery case is the height of convenience. The nice 
>> thing about some battery cases is that they can be recharged independently 
>> of the phone. Naturally, that means you have to take the case off of the 
>> phone. But  that's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. I was very 
>> disappointed with the last case from mophi that I had, because you could not 
>> charge it independently of the phone. Crappy design. And I don't know about 
>> the one from Apple. I have one from a third-party that I purchased on a deal 
>> from Amazon sometime ago. It has worked quite well, and was inexpensive.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mary, I detest a case of all kind, so I've not used any, let alone a 
>>> battery one. But if there are multiple cases of this kind then I definitely 
>>> need to come up to speed. Course, then you have to charge the case when 
>>> that goes flat, so it's all a hassle but it is what it is.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
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 On 9/09/2016, at 3:09 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
  If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume 
 that it will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be 
 better value, i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, 
 who use these battery cases, this will be a good solution.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
> 2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
> news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to 
> use your phone and charge it at the same time.
> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
> respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
> the spec permits.
> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they 
> might allow you to make do for a bit.
> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone 
> will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. 
> This means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into 
> the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
> charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
> jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
> or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could 
> work.
> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
> Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many 
> Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that 
> is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology 

Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[E.T.]

   Rather, perhaps its high time to put this to bed instead.

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On 9/8/2016 9:23 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Since the subject line of this thread is factually incorrect at present,
might be useful to change it.
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t want to have a case on as it makes the phone much bigger.
I had an anker lipstick battery but gave it away.
I have another wich i use but it can only do one and a half charge on the 
iphone.
So i am deffinitly looking for something good.
/A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 17:25, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I guess this is why they say "different strokes." I definitely use a battery 
> case. Of course, I'm not flying on a plane for 12 hours at a time. I'm just 
> trying to get through a day of very heavy phone use, and I'm not always near 
> a plug. So for me, a battery case is the height of convenience. The nice 
> thing about some battery cases is that they can be recharged independently of 
> the phone. Naturally, that means you have to take the case off of the phone. 
> But  that's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. I was very disappointed 
> with the last case from mophi that I had, because you could not charge it 
> independently of the phone. Crappy design. And I don't know about the one 
> from Apple. I have one from a third-party that I purchased on a deal from 
> Amazon sometime ago. It has worked quite well, and was inexpensive.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary, I detest a case of all kind, so I've not used any, let alone a 
>> battery one. But if there are multiple cases of this kind then I definitely 
>> need to come up to speed. Course, then you have to charge the case when that 
>> goes flat, so it's all a hassle but it is what it is.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
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>>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:09 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume that 
>>> it will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be better 
>>> value, i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, who use 
>>> these battery cases, this will be a good solution.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
 sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
 your phone and charge it at the same time.
 The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
 fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't 
 respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if 
 the spec permits.
 In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
 are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
 allow you to make do for a bit.
 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
 Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
 already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
 give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
 means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
 charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
 case, then your headphones into the adapter.
 Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
 charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
 jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, 
 or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
 Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
 adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
 audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
 them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
 
 These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
 basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
 for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
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 Mosen Consulting
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

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Since the subject line of this thread is factually incorrect at present, might 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
What is Jaaring for me who is not a native english?
/A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:57, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Scott, since you actually had hands on the phone, what can you say about the 
> home button. Is it like on android phones that don't have one? That is, you 
> just have a glass and you find a home button by exploring? Or is there still 
> some kind of dimple or other tactile indication as to the home button's 
> whereabouts? How about the feel of the  home button? A couple of the 
> mainstream  reviews I read, where they had brief hands-on, did not like the 
> home button. But change is hard. They were saying it was really quite 
> jarring, not like the trackpad on say a MacBook.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> This talk of there being no charging port is strange to me because the one I 
>> held from in the box had one.  The shape was sort of like a lighting port 
>> then a small cable with a very small box on the end with a 1/8th inch jack 
>> and an additional port for the charger.  It’s possible it’s a different 
>> adapter because the phone was connected on a test bench to power and the 
>> audio jack was attached for audio testing.  We used an Ixia test suite for 
>> point of reference.
>> 
>> 
>> If they have changed the design that seems unlikely.  I’ve requested the 
>> part number from my contact so we can look up to make sure it’s the stock 
>> item.
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, I stand corrected.  Now, if it had been me, I’d have included one with 
>>> the charging port on it.
>>> 
>>> Most likely if Apple doesn’t come out with one, Griffin will.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
 Hi Ray, the adapter for sale is simply the same as the one that comes in 
 the box, in case you lose it or need more of them. It doesn't include a 
 charging port.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
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> On 8/09/2016, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
> a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
> up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>> replace it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
>>> the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
>>> not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
>>> you so".
>>> 
>>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
 your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
 
 Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
 spout off and get clicks for his blog.
 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Jonathan Mosen]

I completely agree Mike. We've headed down a dangerous path where an open, 
ubiquitous standard has been replaced in part by a proprietary port. USB C 
would have been preferable, although you can understand that with Apple having 
invested so much in the Lightning ecosystem, replacing the jack and the 
Lightning port would have been very...courageous.
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> On 9/09/2016, at 3:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve the 
> accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface instead of 
> standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip that 
> indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a particular 
> company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the device will 
> not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the up coming 
> standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of 
> doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.
> Original message:
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Mary Otten]

Yup. Just got off the phone and set up my own call. So I don't have to go to 
the store. Yay!
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’d give them  call, I got a very nice person yesterday who worked through 
> the whole deal and set up a call for me as soon as the phone is available in 
> their system.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> If you're on the jump plan, my store guy said you have to show up at the 
>> store and do your order there. Don't know if he was blowing smoke or not. 
>> Maybe I will call T-Mobile and find out.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking of T-Mobile, they will be open 24 hours tonight to take preorders. 
>>>  I actually have them calling me as soon as they open sales.  You can call 
>>> in and request a call from customer service.  I believe they will start 
>>> selling around 2:30 AM or so if you want to be one of the cool kids and get 
>>> yours first.
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the 
 store said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. 
 In fact, there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then 
 AppleCare, something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what 
 that is? No. Of course not.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it 
> on my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
> 
> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
> that.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do 
>> go for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather 
>> than pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on 
>> the jump plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also 
>> don't know the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that 
>> it is less than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, 
>> with the jump thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance 
>> in there. So in my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. 
>> At least  I think it is. 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
>>> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the 
>>> market as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 
>>> on the trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy 
>>> another.  You can also finance another device while still paying for 
>>> the previous if your credit allows.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before 
 trading in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the 
 phone? If so, Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone 
 comes out, the phone you are using can be traded in for the updated 
 model. The contract is reset to two years at that point.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
> have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
> plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
> price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on 
> the T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific 
> thing, you can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, 
> but in order to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the 
> old one first. Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new 
> phone, and of course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that 
> great. But yes, you could get an iPhone every year on the jump on 
> demand program. In fact, I'm not remembering this right probably but 
> I think you can actually change phones more than once a year. I 
> forget how long you have to have kept a phone 

Re: Form Factor of iPhone 7

[Mary Otten]

 Here's a corollary question to that, and it may be one that can't be answered 
easily. If you have a case for an iPhone 6s, and you don't care about the 
headphone jack or the camera placement, since the phones are the same size, 
could that case work for an iPhone 7? For this to be possible, the lightning 
port would have to be in the same place, and the means of getting the output 
from the bottom speaker would have to be the same, i.e. the speaker it would 
have to be in the same place. And the top speaker would have to be actually 
facing like the earpiece speaker does now, not the top of the phone. I hope 
that made sense.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Scott, or anyone else who's actually seen the iPhone 7, how does the form 
> factor compare to the 6 and 6S?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If i get one i promis to tell the list.
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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:35, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Kawal, that’s a complicated issue about the smart watches.
> 
> Yes, blind people can use some of the Samsung watches to a certain degree.  
> There’s real confusion about which ones talk and which don’t.  The UK version 
> does not for example have accessibility options but the United states version 
> does.  Steve Nut over there on the eyes-free list can speak to this with a 
> lot more authority as he actually went down this path.
>   Also, the accessibility isn’t as good.  You can’t run a lot of the apps 
> if any and not even all the included apps are accessible.
> 
> As for the speaker, guys, there’s all sorts of water friendly options for 
> speakers.  Just because water gets in there doesn’t mean the end of the 
> world.  As Tim Cook mentioned, the engineers worked hard on the specific 
> seals and ports to make sure they didn’t leak water.  Then you manufacture 
> your speaker out of something other than paper that will deal with water, 
> seal it up and bob’s your uncle.  Apple putting in a mechanism to use the 
> speaker to eject the water is a pretty cool idea though.  I have a gun that 
> works on a similar principle so if you get it filled with water when you fire 
> it won’t blow up in your face from the trapped gases.
> 
> So here’s what I’m wondering, will voiceover work under water?  What happens 
> if I’m diving and tap the watch? :)
>  
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I could imagine water being ejected from the speaker by itself.  I know if 
>> water got in the speaker it would be terrifying.  But Apple designed it so 
>> that the water would come out and it still worked.  Would Samsung do that?  
>> Are they just copying each other or are Samsung smart watches not able to go 
>> in the water?  Also blind people can’t use those smart watches or can they?
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 22:14, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just curious, but why would you laugh about that?  To me, if water got 
>>> inside the speaker, that would be an oh crap! moment, I'd think.  Or, is 
>>> that kind of your point?
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
 To: Macvisionaries 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 4:59 PM
 Subject: Only Apple could do this.
 
 Hi.
 
 I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water 
 would come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
 
 I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent it 
 is from the I phone?
 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Scott Granados]

I’d give them  call, I got a very nice person yesterday who worked through the 
whole deal and set up a call for me as soon as the phone is available in their 
system.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> If you're on the jump plan, my store guy said you have to show up at the 
> store and do your order there. Don't know if he was blowing smoke or not. 
> Maybe I will call T-Mobile and find out.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of T-Mobile, they will be open 24 hours tonight to take preorders.  
>> I actually have them calling me as soon as they open sales.  You can call in 
>> and request a call from customer service.  I believe they will start selling 
>> around 2:30 AM or so if you want to be one of the cool kids and get yours 
>> first.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the 
>>> store said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. In 
>>> fact, there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then 
>>> AppleCare, something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what 
>>> that is? No. Of course not.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on 
 my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
 
 You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
 that.
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do 
> go for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather 
> than pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the 
> jump plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't 
> know the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is 
> less than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the 
> jump thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. 
> So in my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I 
> think it is. 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
>> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the 
>> market as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 
>> on the trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another. 
>>  You can also finance another device while still paying for the previous 
>> if your credit allows.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before 
>>> trading in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the 
>>> phone? If so, Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone 
>>> comes out, the phone you are using can be traded in for the updated 
>>> model. The contract is reset to two years at that point.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
 have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
 plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
 price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on 
 the T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific 
 thing, you can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, 
 but in order to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the 
 old one first. Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new 
 phone, and of course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that 
 great. But yes, you could get an iPhone every year on the jump on 
 demand program. In fact, I'm not remembering this right probably but I 
 think you can actually change phones more than once a year. I forget 
 how long you have to have kept a phone before you're eligible to turn 

Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Will they work on the SE?
/A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 16:20, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Simon, I believe the new pods require the W1 chip to function so no on the 
> 6+.  Maybe they also support regular bluetooth I don’t know but from the 
> presentation it doesn’t appear so.  
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:48 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Will the new headphones with lightening connectors be on sale soon and work 
>> with the older devices such as my 6sPlus 
>> 
>> And wil the apple wifi earpods work with my 6splus.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:02 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 
>> adapter
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well i was not worried about it.
>> But the price is to high.
>> So i stick with my SE right now.
>> But sure i want the new apple watch as i use to swim a lot.
>> Man this is really cool.
>> /A
>>> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 20:56 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to spout 
>>> off and get clicks for his blog.
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

Mike, the lightning spec was opened up sometime ago because it was reverse 
engineered.  I think Apple still has a certification process but there’s plenty 
of stuff out there now that’s lightning compatible, with the appropriate chip 
but not necessarily blessed by Apple.  Not sure if this is a Chinese 
intellectual property look the other way deal but for example I just bought a 
bunch of lightning cables on Amazon for about $5 a piece that include the chip 
or at least let’s say include a chip that convinces the lightning circuits it’s 
Apple approved.


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to approve the 
> accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning interface instead of 
> standard USB connections. Every lightning device contains a chip that 
> indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides they don't like a particular 
> company's product, they can refuse to provide the chip and the device will 
> not work. It will be interesting to see if they ever embrace the up coming 
> standard USB C interface or stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of 
> doing things. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.
> Original message:
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> 
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Re: The big deal with wireless charging

[Mary Otten]

I can certainly see the point for those with the certain motor ability issues. 
There's also a good case to be made for the new home button for some people 
with issues involving strength and or dextarity. But that's a different topic. 
I don't think I've ever forgotten to unplug the phone. Lord knows I forget 
enough other stuff, but not that. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> It just saves you a step as you only have to set the phone down on the pad.  
> You do not need to bother with the plug, which wares out over time, 
> especially if like me you’re always picking up the phone and forgetting to 
> unplug it before walking away.  It’s also very nice for people with impaired 
> motor ability who have trouble with the small plug.  My wife loves hers for 
> that reason.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
>> about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the phone 
>> on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
>>> 
>>> You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It should 
>>> be included in my opinion.
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
 dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
 I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
> On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
> a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
> up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>> replace it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
>>> the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
>>> not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
>>> you so".
>>> 
>>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
 your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
 
 Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
 spout off and get clicks for his blog.
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mike Arrigo]

Even for a third party company to address it, Apple would need to 
approve the accessory, this is one reason why they use the lightning 
interface instead of standard USB connections. Every lightning device 
contains a chip that indicates that it's approved. If Apple decides 
they don't like a particular company's product, they can refuse to 
provide the chip and the device will not work. It will be interesting 
to see if they ever embrace the up coming standard USB C interface or 
stick with their proprietary, nonstandard ways of doing things. That is 
one of my biggest pet peeves about Apple.

Original message:
Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 
2015 and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple 
news sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you 
to use your phone and charge it at the same time.
The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has 
been fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself 
doesn't respond quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this 
use case if the spec permits.
In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think 
these are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, 
they might allow you to make do for a bit.
1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The 
Blind Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard 
this one already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the 
iPhone will give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own 
Lightning port. This means that if you want to use your phone with 
wired headphones while charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied 
Lightning adapter into the case, then your headphones into the adapter.
Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will 
charge your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone 
jack. If you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it 
there, or perhaps you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this 
could work.
Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to 
Bluetooth adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in 
many Bluetooth audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll 
know that is to try them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.


These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is 
pretty basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't 
an option for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have 
at present.



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The big deal with wireless charging

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

It just saves you a step as you only have to set the phone down on the pad.  
You do not need to bother with the plug, which wares out over time, especially 
if like me you’re always picking up the phone and forgetting to unplug it 
before walking away.  It’s also very nice for people with impaired motor 
ability who have trouble with the small plug.  My wife loves hers for that 
reason.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
> about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the phone 
> on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
>> 
>> You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It should 
>> be included in my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
>>> dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
>>> I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
 On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
 a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
 up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
> replace it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was the 
>> end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did not get 
>> around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told you so".
>> 
>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in your 
>>> phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
>>> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
>>> 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Mary Otten]

If you're on the jump plan, my store guy said you have to show up at the store 
and do your order there. Don't know if he was blowing smoke or not. Maybe I 
will call T-Mobile and find out.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of T-Mobile, they will be open 24 hours tonight to take preorders.  
> I actually have them calling me as soon as they open sales.  You can call in 
> and request a call from customer service.  I believe they will start selling 
> around 2:30 AM or so if you want to be one of the cool kids and get yours 
> first.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the 
>> store said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. In 
>> fact, there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then AppleCare, 
>> something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what that is? No. 
>> Of course not.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on 
>>> my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
>>> 
>>> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
>>> that.
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
 for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than 
 pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump 
 plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know 
 the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less 
 than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump 
 thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in 
 my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think 
 it is. 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the 
> market as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 
> on the trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  
> You can also finance another device while still paying for the previous 
> if your credit allows.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before 
>> trading in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the 
>> phone? If so, Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes 
>> out, the phone you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The 
>> contract is reset to two years at that point.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
>>> have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
>>> plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
>>> price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the 
>>> T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, 
>>> you can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in 
>>> order to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one 
>>> first. Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, 
>>> and of course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that great. But 
>>> yes, you could get an iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. 
>>> In fact, I'm not remembering this right probably but I think you can 
>>> actually change phones more than once a year. I forget how long you 
>>> have to have kept a phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get 
>>> another one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
 the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
 Apple's program.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

The details are fuzzy now and I’m a relative Mac newcomer so the procedures 
aren’t burned in yet, but if I recall correctly, I made sure it was turned on 
and plugged it in.  I think I had to go to Printers and Scanners and add it.  
It found it and identified it as a generic postscript printer.  That concerned 
me a little since Postscript has nothing to do with it, but I accepted this 
designation.  Associating it with DBT is somewhat tricky in that as you set it 
up there’s an option to print to file that you don’t want, but if you don’t put 
in a file name anyway then switch back away to the option you actually want it 
doesn’t work.  I typed in “null.”  They might have fixed that now because that 
was in an earlier release.  Also be aware that from the emboss panel it doesn’t 
work unless you navigate to the Ok button with VO and activate it.  Just 
pressing enter when everything is the way you want makes the dialog disappear 
but nothing happens.  I think this too is being fixed in the next version.  If 
you find and submit issues they are quick to acknowledge and work with you to 
find the root cause.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Larry,
>   Installed beta 3 but have not played with it since I cannot get my Classic 
> connected anyway via USB. How did you manage that?
> 
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> On 9/8/2016 7:16 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:
>> I’m using the beta with a Juliet Classic, so I can’t comment on the question 
>> at hand, but I did want to warn you if you haven’t got the beta yet that you 
>> will want to wait until the next build.  There are still some Voiceover 
>> issues that will leave you wanting to throw heavy objects at the screen.  
>> Until they fix it I am doing my edits in windows and only using the beta to 
>> translate and emboss the final product.
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on 
>>> the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under 
>>> OS X anyway.
>>> 
>>>  So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
>>> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If 
>>> so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mary Otten]

I guess this is why they say "different strokes." I definitely use a battery 
case. Of course, I'm not flying on a plane for 12 hours at a time. I'm just 
trying to get through a day of very heavy phone use, and I'm not always near a 
plug. So for me, a battery case is the height of convenience. The nice thing 
about some battery cases is that they can be recharged independently of the 
phone. Naturally, that means you have to take the case off of the phone. But  
that's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. I was very disappointed with the 
last case from mophi that I had, because you could not charge it independently 
of the phone. Crappy design. And I don't know about the one from Apple. I have 
one from a third-party that I purchased on a deal from Amazon sometime ago. It 
has worked quite well, and was inexpensive.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, I detest a case of all kind, so I've not used any, let alone a 
> battery one. But if there are multiple cases of this kind then I definitely 
> need to come up to speed. Course, then you have to charge the case when that 
> goes flat, so it's all a hassle but it is what it is.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:09 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>  If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume that 
>> it will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be better 
>> value, i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, who use 
>> these battery cases, this will be a good solution.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
>>> your phone and charge it at the same time.
>>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>>> permits.
>>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
>>> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
>>> allow you to make do for a bit.
>>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
>>> 
>>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Scott Granados]

Speaking of T-Mobile, they will be open 24 hours tonight to take preorders.  I 
actually have them calling me as soon as they open sales.  You can call in and 
request a call from customer service.  I believe they will start selling around 
2:30 AM or so if you want to be one of the cool kids and get yours first.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the store 
> said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. In fact, 
> there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then AppleCare, 
> something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what that is? No. 
> Of course not.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on 
>> my laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
>> 
>> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
>> that.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
>>> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than 
>>> pay it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump 
>>> plan. But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know 
>>> the value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less 
>>> than what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump 
>>> thing, you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in 
>>> my case, it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think 
>>> it is. 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
 serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
 as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
 trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
 also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
 credit allows.
 
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
> in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
> Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
> you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
> reset to two years at that point.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers 
>> have these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of 
>> plan similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the 
>> price of the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the 
>> T-Mobile jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you 
>> can still get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order 
>> to get a new phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. 
>> Then you can either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of 
>> course, what you get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you 
>> could get an iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, 
>> I'm not remembering this right probably but I think you can actually 
>> change phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have 
>> kept a phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>>> Apple's program.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a 
 Mac. People tend to keep 

Re: The special I phone programme.

[Donna Goodin]

I just learned that on their device payment plan, VZ lets you trade in your old 
phone once you have paid off 50% of your old device.  So essentially, it seems 
to do the same thing as the Apple program, i.e. you get a new phone once a 
year.  The one drawback to VZ is that they frequently changed the terms.  For 
example, when I got my 6S, you had to wait 18 months to get a new phone, which 
is no deal at all, because at that point, you're only 6 months away from the 
release of the next phone, so it would make no sense to upgrade at that point.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market as 
> well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the trade in 
> or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can also 
> finance another device while still paying for the previous if your credit 
> allows.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading in 
>> for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
>> Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
>> you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is reset 
>> to two years at that point.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
>>> these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan 
>>> similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of 
>>> the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile 
>>> jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still 
>>> get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new 
>>> phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can 
>>> either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you 
>>> get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you could get an iPhone 
>>> every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, I'm not remembering this 
>>> right probably but I think you can actually change phones more than once a 
>>> year. I forget how long you have to have kept a phone before you're 
>>> eligible to turn it in and get another one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart the 
 contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of Apple's 
 program.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of this 
> program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as often 
> or more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, and you 
> could essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed to take the 
> sting out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for it over time. 
> I didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through T-Mobile. But 
> they're fairly similar.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which 
>> let’s you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
>> 
>> It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch at 
>> the same time.
>> 
>> If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the days 
>> where people pay upfront for computer equipment.  I bet they will do 
>> that soon.
>> 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Scott Granados]

Nah not creepy to me, very cool.  Shows me that Nicola Tesla was only a century 
ahead of his time.;)

I think of him every time someone mentions wireless charging.  The idea of 
beaming electricity through space and tapping it where you want it was his 
dream although he had a slightly larger scale in mind.  Damn Thomas Edison and 
his dirty dealings anyway.  We might have been pulling free energy out of the 
air if it weren’t for him.;)

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have heard about the experimental wireless charging where you just have to 
> be in the vicinity of the charge source. Kind of creepy in some senses. But 
> it certainly would be convenient.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s just a nice convenience thing, you can just set your phone on your desk 
>> and it’s charging.  There’s also larger installations that you can take 
>> advantage of for example Starbucks I believe has a wireless charging option 
>> or at least was looking at that.
>> 
>> I’m not sure if it’s in the wild yet but there’s also work being done on 
>> more distant wireless charging so you just need to be in a room for example 
>> with the charging source.  I think that’s still pretty experimental though, 
>> the only systems I have personally seen are the type with a pad.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
>>> about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the 
>>> phone on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
 
 You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It should 
 be included in my opinion.
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
> dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
> I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
>> On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or 
>> so, a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, 
>> were it up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>>> replace it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
 carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
 the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
 not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
 you so".
 
 I hear that echo now. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
> your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
> 
> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
> 
 
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Re: The special I phone programme.

[Mary Otten]

Yes. It does include insurance, again, according to what the guy in the store 
said. I certainly didn't stand there and read all that fine print. In fact, 
there is something better about the T-Mobile insurance then AppleCare, 
something it covers that Apple doesn't. But can I remember what that is? No. Of 
course not.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on my 
> laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?
> 
> You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know 
> that.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
>> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than pay 
>> it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump plan. 
>> But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know the 
>> value. The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less than 
>> what you get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump thing, 
>> you are paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in my case, 
>> it's $10 a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think it is. 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
>>> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
>>> as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
>>> trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
>>> also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
>>> credit allows.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
 
 Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
 in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
 Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
 you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is 
 reset to two years at that point.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
> these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan 
> similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of 
> the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile 
> jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still 
> get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new 
> phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can 
> either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you 
> get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you could get an 
> iPhone every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, I'm not 
> remembering this right probably but I think you can actually change 
> phones more than once a year. I forget how long you have to have kept a 
> phone before you're eligible to turn it in and get another one.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart 
>> the contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of 
>> Apple's program.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of 
>>> this program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as 
>>> often or more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, 
>>> and you could essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed 
>>> to take the sting out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for 
>>> it over time. I didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through 
>>> T-Mobile. But they're fairly similar.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which 
 let’s you pay so much a month when you 

Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Scott Granados]

Juice box is what you want if you want extra power on your phone.

They are made by the same company that makes the external USB battery packs, 
Mophie or how ever you spell it.  The product is called the juice box and I 
believe they have them with different capacities.


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, I detest a case of all kind, so I've not used any, let alone a 
> battery one. But if there are multiple cases of this kind then I definitely 
> need to come up to speed. Course, then you have to charge the case when that 
> goes flat, so it's all a hassle but it is what it is.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 9/09/2016, at 3:09 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>>  If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume that 
>> it will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be better 
>> value, i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, who use 
>> these battery cases, this will be a good solution.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use 
>>> your phone and charge it at the same time.
>>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>>> permits.
>>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these 
>>> are at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might 
>>> allow you to make do for a bit.
>>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
>>> 
>>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Mary, I detest a case of all kind, so I've not used any, let alone a battery 
one. But if there are multiple cases of this kind then I definitely need to 
come up to speed. Course, then you have to charge the case when that goes flat, 
so it's all a hassle but it is what it is.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 9/09/2016, at 3:09 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>  If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume that 
> it will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be better 
> value, i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, who use 
> these battery cases, this will be a good solution.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
>> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
>> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
>> phone and charge it at the same time.
>> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
>> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
>> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
>> permits.
>> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
>> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
>> you to make do for a bit.
>> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
>> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
>> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
>> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
>> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
>> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
>> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
>> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
>> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If 
>> you charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps 
>> you use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
>> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
>> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
>> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
>> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
>> 
>> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
>> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option 
>> for you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Mary Otten]

Thanks. Very helpful. I haven't tried the keyboard caps. Since I have speech 
turned on, I haven't really seen the point for me. But it might be interesting 
to try.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So I only held the phone for a few seconds and didn’t get to put it through 
> it’s paces although I’m ordering one tonight so we’ll see.:)
> 
> The button was still tactile in that there’s a button round area unlike the 
> all glass feel of android but it’s not a mechanical button.  The taptic 
> reminds me of the way the keyboard taps in IOS 10 if you’ve tried that.
> 
> Remember, unlike Android, the fingerprint censor is still in the home button 
> area so there’s still a physical presence.  Imagine a button with no throw.  
> Android phones tend to put the finger print reader on the back or elsewhere 
> not in the screen itself.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, since you actually had hands on the phone, what can you say about the 
>> home button. Is it like on android phones that don't have one? That is, you 
>> just have a glass and you find a home button by exploring? Or is there still 
>> some kind of dimple or other tactile indication as to the home button's 
>> whereabouts? How about the feel of the  home button? A couple of the 
>> mainstream  reviews I read, where they had brief hands-on, did not like the 
>> home button. But change is hard. They were saying it was really quite 
>> jarring, not like the trackpad on say a MacBook.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This talk of there being no charging port is strange to me because the one 
>>> I held from in the box had one.  The shape was sort of like a lighting port 
>>> then a small cable with a very small box on the end with a 1/8th inch jack 
>>> and an additional port for the charger.  It’s possible it’s a different 
>>> adapter because the phone was connected on a test bench to power and the 
>>> audio jack was attached for audio testing.  We used an Ixia test suite for 
>>> point of reference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If they have changed the design that seems unlikely.  I’ve requested the 
>>> part number from my contact so we can look up to make sure it’s the stock 
>>> item.
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
 
 Ah, I stand corrected.  Now, if it had been me, I’d have included one with 
 the charging port on it.
 
 Most likely if Apple doesn’t come out with one, Griffin will.  
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ray, the adapter for sale is simply the same as the one that comes in 
> the box, in case you lose it or need more of them. It doesn't include a 
> charging port.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 8/09/2016, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or 
>> so, a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, 
>> were it up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>>> replace it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
 carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
 the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
 not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
 you so".
 
 I hear that echo now. (smiles)
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados 

Re: The special I phone programme.

[Scott Granados]

Apple care always seemed so expensive to me.  I thought about buying it on my 
laptop but do I really keep them for 3 years?

You’re right on the $10, that includes insurance though?  I did n to know that.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I don't know what the trade-in is. Mine isn't paid off yet. And if I do go 
> for the new one, I will probably just give them the old one, rather than pay 
> it off. And so then there won't be any value, because I'm on the jump plan. 
> But with the ones that you have completely paid, I also don't know the value. 
> The store guy told me, which is no surprise, that it is less than what you 
> get if you sell it on the open market. Also, with the jump thing, you are 
> paying extra per month. There is insurance in there. So in my case, it's $10 
> a month. That is more than AppleCare. At least  I think it is. 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> David, it’s not a minimal trade in I don’t think.  It’s $300 if memory 
>> serves, maybe Mary can correct me as she’s pretty plugged in to the market 
>> as well.  But as memory serves on an iPhone you get at least 300 on the 
>> trade in or you can pay it off and own the phone and buy another.  You can 
>> also finance another device while still paying for the previous if your 
>> credit allows.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 8:46 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying you have to fully pay off the current phone before trading 
>>> in for a new phone minus the minimal trade-in value of the phone? If so, 
>>> Apple's program is a bit different. When a new phone comes out, the phone 
>>> you are using can be traded in for the updated model. The contract is reset 
>>> to two years at that point.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:01, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
 T-Mobile doesn't have contracts. For that matter, the other carriers have 
 these no contract plans too. I think they all have some sort of plan 
 similar to the T-Mobile one. You don't have to have paid off the price of 
 the whole phone before you turn it in and get a new one on the T-Mobile 
 jump on demand plan. If you don't have that specific thing, you can still 
 get a phone and pay it over a number of months, but in order to get a new 
 phone from T-Mobile, you must pay off the old one first. Then you can 
 either keep it or trade it in on your new phone, and of course, what you 
 get for the trade-in won't be that great. But yes, you could get an iPhone 
 every year on the jump on demand program. In fact, I'm not remembering 
 this right probably but I think you can actually change phones more than 
 once a year. I forget how long you have to have kept a phone before you're 
 eligible to turn it in and get another one.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
> Does the T-Mobile program allow one to upgrade the iPhone and restart the 
> contract whenever a new iPhone comes out? That is the beauty of Apple's 
> program.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 07:10, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> Don't hold your breath waiting for Apple to do this program with a Mac. 
>> People tend to keep their max for several years. The whole point of this 
>> program is to get people on board so they upgrade their iPhones as often 
>> or more often than they used to when carriers subsidized phones, and you 
>> could essentially get one every two years. It's also supposed to take 
>> the sting out of the high cost of the phone. You get to pay for it over 
>> time. I didn't use the Apple program. I used the one through T-Mobile. 
>> But they're fairly similar.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone bought an I phone using the Apple special programme which 
>>> let’s you pay so much a month when you purchase an I phone?
>>> 
>>> It’s coming to the UK which will allow me to get the 7 plus and watch 
>>> at the same time.
>>> 
>>> If Apple bring this program to the Mac platforms also gone will the 
>>> days where people pay upfront for computer 

Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Mary Otten]

I have heard about the experimental wireless charging where you just have to be 
in the vicinity of the charge source. Kind of creepy in some senses. But it 
certainly would be convenient.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It’s just a nice convenience thing, you can just set your phone on your desk 
> and it’s charging.  There’s also larger installations that you can take 
> advantage of for example Starbucks I believe has a wireless charging option 
> or at least was looking at that.
> 
> I’m not sure if it’s in the wild yet but there’s also work being done on more 
> distant wireless charging so you just need to be in a room for example with 
> the charging source.  I think that’s still pretty experimental though, the 
> only systems I have personally seen are the type with a pad.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
>> about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the phone 
>> on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
>>> 
>>> You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It should 
>>> be included in my opinion.
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
 dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
 I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
> On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
> a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
> up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>> replace it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
>>> the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
>>> not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
>>> you so".
>>> 
>>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
 your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
 
 Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
 spout off and get clicks for his blog.
 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Scott Granados]

So I only held the phone for a few seconds and didn’t get to put it through 
it’s paces although I’m ordering one tonight so we’ll see.:)

The button was still tactile in that there’s a button round area unlike the all 
glass feel of android but it’s not a mechanical button.  The taptic reminds me 
of the way the keyboard taps in IOS 10 if you’ve tried that.

Remember, unlike Android, the fingerprint censor is still in the home button 
area so there’s still a physical presence.  Imagine a button with no throw.  
Android phones tend to put the finger print reader on the back or elsewhere not 
in the screen itself.



> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Scott, since you actually had hands on the phone, what can you say about the 
> home button. Is it like on android phones that don't have one? That is, you 
> just have a glass and you find a home button by exploring? Or is there still 
> some kind of dimple or other tactile indication as to the home button's 
> whereabouts? How about the feel of the  home button? A couple of the 
> mainstream  reviews I read, where they had brief hands-on, did not like the 
> home button. But change is hard. They were saying it was really quite 
> jarring, not like the trackpad on say a MacBook.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> This talk of there being no charging port is strange to me because the one I 
>> held from in the box had one.  The shape was sort of like a lighting port 
>> then a small cable with a very small box on the end with a 1/8th inch jack 
>> and an additional port for the charger.  It’s possible it’s a different 
>> adapter because the phone was connected on a test bench to power and the 
>> audio jack was attached for audio testing.  We used an Ixia test suite for 
>> point of reference.
>> 
>> 
>> If they have changed the design that seems unlikely.  I’ve requested the 
>> part number from my contact so we can look up to make sure it’s the stock 
>> item.
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, I stand corrected.  Now, if it had been me, I’d have included one with 
>>> the charging port on it.
>>> 
>>> Most likely if Apple doesn’t come out with one, Griffin will.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:
 
 Hi Ray, the adapter for sale is simply the same as the one that comes in 
 the box, in case you lose it or need more of them. It doesn't include a 
 charging port.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org 
> On 8/09/2016, at 9:12 PM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or so, 
> a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, were it 
> up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, according 
>> to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store app, there 
>> is not a pass the report for charging with the new lightning to 3.5mm  
>> adapter. That would probably explain why it's only nine dollars to 
>> replace it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
>>> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
>>> the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
>>> not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
>>> you so".
>>> 
>>> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
 On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
 your phone, you can charge and 

Re: Strategies for Charging your iPhone 7 while using wired Headphones

[Mary Otten]

 If the solution proposed by David works with the Apple case, I assume that it 
will also work with third-party cases, which will probably be better value, 
i.e. cost less and have more battery in them. For  people, who use these 
battery cases, this will be a good solution.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, unfortunately as I predicted in my blog post of November 2015 
> and in subsequent posts on this, as has been confirmed by multiple news 
> sources today, Apple has not released an adapter that allows you to use your 
> phone and charge it at the same time.
> The reaction to this lack of addressing of an important use case has been 
> fierce even among sighted people. Hopefully if Apple itself doesn't respond 
> quickly, a third-party manufacturer will address this use case if the spec 
> permits.
> In the mean time, here are a couple of work-arounds. I don't think these are 
> at all adequate, but if you need to upgrade to an iPhone 7, they might allow 
> you to make do for a bit.
> 1. Those of you who listened to the recap of the Apple event on The Blind 
> Side with Jeff Bishop, David Woodbridge and me may have heard this one 
> already. David pointed out that the Apple Battery Case for the iPhone will 
> give your phone a recharge, and it contains its own Lightning port. This 
> means that if you want to use your phone with wired headphones while 
> charging, you can, by plugging Apple's supplied Lightning adapter into the 
> case, then your headphones into the adapter.
> Second, Apple sells a Lightning Dock in its store for $49. This will charge 
> your phone, provide speakers, and it contains a 3.5 mm headphone jack. If you 
> charge your phone by the bed and just want to use it there, or perhaps you 
> use it at the office where it's plugged in, this could work.
> Third, a number of manufacturers, such as Griffin, sell a 3.5 to Bluetooth 
> adapter. This could introduce the dreaded lag inherent in many Bluetooth 
> audio devices with VO, but I guess the only way we'll know that is to try 
> them. They may get you by while you get a quick charge.
> 
> These are convoluted solutions for dealing with a use case that is pretty 
> basic for any decent smartphone, but if wireless earbuds aren't an option for 
> you, as they are not for me, they seem to be all we have at present.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
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