Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

hey tim, thanks for all your help.
wish i could test this but i don't want to wipe the system to try.
can you give me that command string again?
shame you can't copy in recovery but i can put it on something elce and type 
from there.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 8:34 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, sorry if any of this was confusing.  Brand is immaterial.  All you need 
> is the name of the network, it's password and the interface number.
> 
> • when in Recovery mode, go up to the Utilities menu, down to Network 
> Utility.  In the Info tab, under the Interface pop-up, you can determine 
> which interface is the Wifi interface on your specific Mac.  Usually either 
> en1 or en0.
> • Network name is just the name of the network you connect to, the one that 
> is broadcast and that you see in the WiFi Extras menu.
> • Password is the password for that network.
> 
> That's it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 14:18, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey,
> thanks for the info, so i have to try and find out the brand of router?
> Is this correct?
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 7:54 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> So, if that is the name of the network you connect to, then:
>> 
>>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 "TPG 8F75"WiFi_Password
>> 
>> Like I mentioned, if your Mac has an ethernet port, then "en1" should be 
>> fine and substitute the WiFi_password argument with your WiFi network 
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:35, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey, i don't know the make of my router but my network is called TPG 8F75
>> What would be the format with this network?
>> I was actually thinking about this yesterday.
>>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 6:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
>>> normally connect you to a WiFi network:
>>> 
>>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password
>>> 
>>> Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
>>> otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by 
>>> going up to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various 
>>> network services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.
>>> 
>>> Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
>>> you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
>>> network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because 
>>> the space would denote a change in arguments to the command.
>>> 
>>> One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was 
>>> not working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I 
>>> believe that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at 
>>> least that's my understanding.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe 
>>> the drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>>> through Command R?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
 MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to 
 the same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi 
 Network, once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's 
 WiFi Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect 
 to a different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in 
 Recovery Mode.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
 to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
 system..
 The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
 way using VO to accomplish this.
 No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
 Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
 has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
 voiceover?
 I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
 any help would be fantastic.
 
 Michael
 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No, sorry if any of this was confusing.  Brand is immaterial.  All you need is 
the name of the network, it's password and the interface number.

• when in Recovery mode, go up to the Utilities menu, down to Network Utility.  
In the Info tab, under the Interface pop-up, you can determine which interface 
is the Wifi interface on your specific Mac.  Usually either en1 or en0.
• Network name is just the name of the network you connect to, the one that is 
broadcast and that you see in the WiFi Extras menu.
• Password is the password for that network.

That's it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2017, at 14:18, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey,
thanks for the info, so i have to try and find out the brand of router?
Is this correct?
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 7:54 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So, if that is the name of the network you connect to, then:
> 
>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 "TPG 8F75"WiFi_Password
> 
> Like I mentioned, if your Mac has an ethernet port, then "en1" should be fine 
> and substitute the WiFi_password argument with your WiFi network password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:35, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey, i don't know the make of my router but my network is called TPG 8F75
> What would be the format with this network?
> I was actually thinking about this yesterday.
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 6:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
>> normally connect you to a WiFi network:
>> 
>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password
>> 
>> Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
>> otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by going 
>> up to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various network 
>> services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.
>> 
>> Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
>> you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
>> network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because 
>> the space would denote a change in arguments to the command.
>> 
>> One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was not 
>> working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I 
>> believe that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at 
>> least that's my understanding.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
>> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>> through Command R?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi 
>>> Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a 
>>> different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery 
>>> Mode.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
>>> to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
>>> system..
>>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>>> voiceover?
>>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>>> any help would be fantastic.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
thanks for the info, so i have to try and find out the brand of router?
Is this correct?
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 7:54 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So, if that is the name of the network you connect to, then:
> 
>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 "TPG 8F75"WiFi_Password
> 
> Like I mentioned, if your Mac has an ethernet port, then "en1" should be fine 
> and substitute the WiFi_password argument with your WiFi network password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:35, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey, i don't know the make of my router but my network is called TPG 8F75
> What would be the format with this network?
> I was actually thinking about this yesterday.
>> On 25 Feb 2017, at 6:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
>> normally connect you to a WiFi network:
>> 
>> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password
>> 
>> Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
>> otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by going 
>> up to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various network 
>> services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.
>> 
>> Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
>> you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
>> network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because 
>> the space would denote a change in arguments to the command.
>> 
>> One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was not 
>> working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I 
>> believe that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at 
>> least that's my understanding.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
>> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>> through Command R?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi 
>>> Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a 
>>> different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery 
>>> Mode.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
>>> to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
>>> system..
>>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>>> voiceover?
>>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>>> any help would be fantastic.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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RE: Blind Cricket

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah but you guys kill eachother on ice skates,

 And what really counts is you play rugby 
Badly but you play rugby,

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On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017 9:56 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Cricket

Hi,

Except for this colony.  Us Canucks never seemed to get into it.  There's some 
more interest nowadays, but not enough to put any sparkle in my eye.  Probably 
too darn cold for crickets anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Anywhere
NZ and austrailia are two of the biggest countries playing this game Ireland 
have a team but mainly british colinese 

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Sent: Friday, 24 February 2017 8:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Cricket

Hi!
Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
But someone told me it can be quite fun.
So where can it be played?
Thanks.
/A
> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 19:49 skrev Saqib Hussain :
> 
> Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to 
> say the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see 
> this game being very appealing to American list members because the sport 
> isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
> pressure will return different results when it comes to scoring runs. 
> 
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ExpressVpn

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi guys. Some of you have told me about ExpressVPN and how good it is. Last 
night I subscribed to the monthly service on my iPhone and it works perfectly. 
My problem is that I'm trying to download it on my Mac and my windows 10 boot 
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RE: where is the PR button on the Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah the p key is to the left of backslash and the r key is to the left of the 
t key.

 If you hold them down together they give you what you need.

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Subject: where is the PR button on the Mac

Hello there,

I was reading an article to reset the NVram for the Mac last night and it said 
to hold down the PR button any idea where that is?


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RE: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Simon Fogarty]

It's been a while since I've done this but I know I've had to connect to wifi 
in recovery 

 I thought it was automatically connected to the network but I'll have to have 
a look at it again to remind myself.

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On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2017 3:08 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery 
using voiceover?

hey all,
I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no way 
using VO to accomplish this.
No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
voiceover?
I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
any help would be fantastic.

Michael

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Re: Blind Cricket

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Except for this colony.  Us Canucks never seemed to get into it.  There's some 
more interest nowadays, but not enough to put any sparkle in my eye.  Probably 
too darn cold for crickets anyway.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Anywhere 
NZ and austrailia are two of the biggest countries playing this game 
Ireland have a team but mainly british colinese 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2017 8:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blind Cricket

Hi!
Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
But someone told me it can be quite fun.
So where can it be played?
Thanks.
/A
> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 19:49 skrev Saqib Hussain :
> 
> Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to 
> say the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see 
> this game being very appealing to American list members because the sport 
> isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

So, if that is the name of the network you connect to, then:

> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 "TPG 8F75"WiFi_Password

Like I mentioned, if your Mac has an ethernet port, then "en1" should be fine 
and substitute the WiFi_password argument with your WiFi network password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2017, at 13:35, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey, i don't know the make of my router but my network is called TPG 8F75
What would be the format with this network?
I was actually thinking about this yesterday.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 6:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
> normally connect you to a WiFi network:
> 
> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password
> 
> Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
> otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by going 
> up to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various network 
> services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.
> 
> Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
> you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
> network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because 
> the space would denote a change in arguments to the command.
> 
> One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was not 
> working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I believe 
> that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at least that's 
> my understanding.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
> through Command R?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi Network. 
>>  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a different 
>> network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
>> recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>> voiceover?
>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>> any help would be fantastic.
>> 
>> Michael
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RE: Blind Cricket

[Simon Fogarty]

Anywhere 
NZ and austrailia are two of the biggest countries playing this game 
 Ireland have a team but mainly british colinese 

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Subject: Re: Blind Cricket

Hi!
Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
But someone told me it can be quite fun.
So where can it be played?
Thanks.
/A
> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 19:49 skrev Saqib Hussain :
> 
> Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to 
> say the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see 
> this game being very appealing to American list members because the sport 
> isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
> pressure will return different results when it comes to scoring runs. 
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RE: Blind Cricket

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah America have a problem with the whole playing a game for up to 5 days 
which ends in a draw 

 And I gotta admit test cricket still bores me, 

One dayers and 20 20 are great I love watching games that go down to the wire 

 As for blind cricket, never tried it and can't say I would.


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Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to say 
the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t see this 
game being very appealing to American list members because the sport isn’t 
popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me different. I 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

hey, i don't know the make of my router but my network is called TPG 8F75
What would be the format with this network?
I was actually thinking about this yesterday.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 6:41 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
> normally connect you to a WiFi network:
> 
> networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password
> 
> Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
> otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by going 
> up to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various network 
> services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.
> 
> Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
> you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
> network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because 
> the space would denote a change in arguments to the command.
> 
> One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was not 
> working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I believe 
> that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at least that's 
> my understanding.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
> through Command R?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi Network. 
>>  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a different 
>> network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
>> recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>> voiceover?
>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>> any help would be fantastic.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
I could not find the password window, I just got that ridiculous language 
chooser thing.
As I said, I am going to create a recovery disk witch should be better.
If you have not wiped the drive and want to reinstall the system recovery will 
already be connected to your last wireless network, this I can confirm, it 
didn't even ask me for credentials with apple.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 2:03 am, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Sometimes the dialog prompting for the password is behind the main window, 
> pressing vo+F2 twice to open the window chooser menu will usually allow you 
> to access it.
> Original message:
>> hey,
>> that i did not know but when i hit reinstall the system it just hung there 
>> and i could not put in my apple ID and password.
>>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 3:07 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>>> Hi,
> 
>>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi 
>>> Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a 
>>> different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery 
>>> Mode.
> 
>>> Later...
> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
>>> to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
>>> system..
>>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>>> voiceover?
>>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>>> any help would be fantastic.
> 
>>> Michael
> 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

I used to be able to use a cable connection when the modem was near me.
I am going to circumvent this whole mess by making a recovery disk.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 12:14 am, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I know this may not be abailable to you but the awkwarrdness of this 
> situation is why I always use
> 
> a Ethernet cable connected to my router for the recovery process.
> 
> Plugging any cable between Mac and router should guarantee connection.
> I do this with my iMac. I do not know if on later Macs in Apples big drive 
> for thin devices whether the utility of the ethernet port has been lost for 
> this purpose. Someone else may know if an adaptor will be recognised in 
> Recovery Console.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> On 24/02/2017 11:54, Scott Berry wrote:
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
>> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>> through Command R?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi 
>>> Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a 
>>> different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery 
>>> Mode.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
>>> to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
>>> system..
>>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>>> voiceover?
>>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>>> any help would be fantastic.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Michael Marshall]

ethernet cables still work very well.
> On 25 Feb 2017, at 12:15 am, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I know that my Mac still accepts an ethernet cable.  Good idea.   Thanks very 
> much.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:14 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> I know this may not be abailable to you but the awkwarrdness of this 
>> situation is why I always use
>> 
>> a Ethernet cable connected to my router for the recovery process.
>> 
>> Plugging any cable between Mac and router should guarantee connection.
>> I do this with my iMac. I do not know if on later Macs in Apples big drive 
>> for thin devices whether the utility of the ethernet port has been lost for 
>> this purpose. Someone else may know if an adaptor will be recognised in 
>> Recovery Console.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> On 24/02/2017 11:54, Scott Berry wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe 
>>> the drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>>> through Command R?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
 MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to 
 the same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi 
 Network, once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's 
 WiFi Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect 
 to a different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in 
 Recovery Mode.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
 to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
 system..
 The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
 way using VO to accomplish this.
 No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
 Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
 has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
 voiceover?
 I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
 any help would be fantastic.
 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes, it should be possible.  Using the following command in Terminal will 
normally connect you to a WiFi network:

networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 WiFi_Network_Name WiFi_Password

Note that en1 refers to the WiFi card when there is no ethernet present, 
otherwise WiFi would be en0.  You can confirm this in Recovery mode by going up 
to the Utilities menu and selecting Network Utility.  The various network 
services will have their identifiers listed in the Interface pop-up.

Also, note that if your network has a space or any such thing in its name, 
you'll need to put quotes around the network name.  For example, if my WiFi 
network was named "Home Network", I'd need to put quotes around it because the 
space would denote a change in arguments to the command.

One last thing.  For some reason, the network setup Terminal command was not 
working in Sierra Recovery mode for me, but does in regular MacOS.  I believe 
that it does, though, work in earlier versions of the MacOS, at least that's my 
understanding.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 24, 2017, at 04:54, Scott Berry  wrote:

Tim,

Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then through 
Command R?


> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi Network.  
> There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a different 
> network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
> recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
> way using VO to accomplish this.
> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
> voiceover?
> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
> any help would be fantastic.
> 
> Michael
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Re: A Question About Preview in Sierra

[Mike Arrigo]

I would say that file is probably a scanned image, preview in Siera 
definitely still works with pdf files. You might consider purchasing 
docuscan plus from serotek, it works on the mac and can do OCR on those 
kinds of files.

Original message:

Hello Everyone,



Am I missing something or can Preview no longer read PDF documents, in
Sierra, as it once did in previous versions of OS X?



When I tried to read a PDF document, that is clearly text, although the text
may have been scanned, all I could get VoiceOver to say was, "New Line."



I know there has been some discussion on this in the past year or so but,
clearly, I missed something.



In the mean time, I'll use either OpenBook on my PC or the K N F B reader on
my iPhone.



Thank you,



Mark



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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Mike Arrigo]

Sometimes the dialog prompting for the password is behind the main 
window, pressing vo+F2 twice to open the window chooser menu will 
usually allow you to access it.

Original message:

hey,
that i did not know but when i hit reinstall the system it just hung 
there and i could not put in my apple ID and password.

On 24 Feb 2017, at 3:07 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:



Hi,


Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in 
the MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be 
connected to the same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected 
to Bob's WiFi Network, once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain 
connected to Bob's WiFi Network.  There are Terminal commands that may 
allow you to connect to a different network, but I haven't tested them 
in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.



Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada



On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  wrote:



hey all,
I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i 
headed to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy 
of the system..
The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was 
no way using VO to accomplish this.

No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery 
using voiceover?

I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
any help would be fantastic.



Michael



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Re: creating Lyft account

[Jonathan Cohn]

I had no problem last month. I might have read the code using Messages on
my Macintosh, I don't remember now. There is certainly a timing issue if
you don't put the code in within a few minutes then the code timeouts.

Take care,

Jonathan Cohn


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> Has anyone had success creating a Lyft account on your iPhone? The phone
> verification code keeps saying not valid. I tried touch typing and regular
> typing. Even had Lyft call with the code. No luck.
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Re: Mars edit

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Contact the developer. I am working with him on this issue.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 4:13 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
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> 
> Jonathan Mosen highlighted difficulties with RTF editing on OS as one of his 
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> 
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> 
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> Nowadays I just use TextEdit to finalise editing and paste into Marrs Edit 
> and just publish from there really.
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>> Hi guys,
>> Is Mars edit broken? I cannot edit my blog post, and when I type, my cursor 
>> jumps several paragraphs above where I think I am.
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Re: where is the PR button on the Mac

[Scott Berry]

Hi Tim,

Got ya.  thanks a bunch.  That was quite confusing.


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 7:26 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> 
> It's the cmd-option p and r all at the same time.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> On Feb 24, 2017, at 06:19, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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> It read wrong!
> 
> You hold down option, plus the p and the r buttons.. or could it mean the 
> power button?
> 
> Cait
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>> Hello there,
>> 
>> I was reading an article to reset the NVram for the Mac last night and it 
>> said to hold down the PR button any idea where that is?
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Re: where is the PR button on the Mac

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It's the cmd-option p and r all at the same time.

Later..

Tim Kilburn
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On Feb 24, 2017, at 06:19, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

It read wrong!

You hold down option, plus the p and the r buttons.. or could it mean the power 
button?

Cait

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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hello,
I’m thinking on the last time I did this.
If I remember right, I think I hit VO M twice to get in the top menu bar where 
Wi-Fi is, and went right. I think VO said “Menu” or something like that, and 
then, I think I pressed VO Space on it, and VO down arrow, and then, I was able 
to read the choices and VO Space on them  to connect to the network once I 
found the correct one. Or maybe there was some trick to it, I don’t remember 
exactly but I think that’s how it worked.
I could be wrong on this, but I hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Feb 24, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I know that my Mac still accepts an ethernet cable.  Good idea.   Thanks very 
> much.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:14 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> I know this may not be abailable to you but the awkwarrdness of this 
>> situation is why I always use
>> 
>> a Ethernet cable connected to my router for the recovery process.
>> 
>> Plugging any cable between Mac and router should guarantee connection.
>> I do this with my iMac. I do not know if on later Macs in Apples big drive 
>> for thin devices whether the utility of the ethernet port has been lost for 
>> this purpose. Someone else may know if an adaptor will be recognised in 
>> Recovery Console.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> On 24/02/2017 11:54, Scott Berry wrote:
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe 
>>> the drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>>> through Command R?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
 MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to 
 the same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi 
 Network, once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's 
 WiFi Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect 
 to a different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in 
 Recovery Mode.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 hey all,
 I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
 to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
 system..
 The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
 way using VO to accomplish this.
 No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
 Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
 has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
 voiceover?
 I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
 any help would be fantastic.
 
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Re: Blind Cricket

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Hi. Is it best to play the shot early to get more runs or play it late.  

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> It is not the pressure, it is the timing for getting more runs.
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>> Hi!
>> Kricket is something i’ve never got into.
>> FOr me its something for brittish people and people from india.
>> But someone told me it can be quite fun.
>> So where can it be played?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>>> 23 feb. 2017 kl. 19:49 skrev Saqib Hussain :
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>>> Hi. For those who have tried this game, What do you think of it? I have to 
>>> say the author has done a great job on the audio side of things. I can’t 
>>> see this game being very appealing to American list members because the 
>>> sport isn’t popular over there but I’m sure someone will popup and tell me 
>>> different. I think scoring runs is a bit random as the same amount of 
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Re: where is the PR button on the Mac

[Caitlyn Furness]

It read wrong!

You hold down option, plus the p and the r buttons.. or could it mean the power 
button?

Cait

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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Scott Berry]

I know that my Mac still accepts an ethernet cable.  Good idea.   Thanks very 
much.


> On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:14 AM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I know this may not be abailable to you but the awkwarrdness of this 
> situation is why I always use
> 
> a Ethernet cable connected to my router for the recovery process.
> 
> Plugging any cable between Mac and router should guarantee connection.
> I do this with my iMac. I do not know if on later Macs in Apples big drive 
> for thin devices whether the utility of the ethernet port has been lost for 
> this purpose. Someone else may know if an adaptor will be recognised in 
> Recovery Console.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> On 24/02/2017 11:54, Scott Berry wrote:
>> Tim,
>> 
>> Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
>> drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then 
>> through Command R?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
>>> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
>>> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
>>> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi 
>>> Network.  There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a 
>>> different network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery 
>>> Mode.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed 
>>> to recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the 
>>> system..
>>> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
>>> way using VO to accomplish this.
>>> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
>>> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
>>> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
>>> voiceover?
>>> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
>>> any help would be fantastic.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[David Griffith]

I know this may not be abailable to you but the awkwarrdness of this 
situation is why I always use


 a Ethernet cable connected to my router for the recovery process.

Plugging any cable between Mac and router should guarantee connection.
I do this with my iMac. I do not know if on later Macs in Apples big 
drive for thin devices whether the utility of the ethernet port has been 
lost for this purpose. Someone else may know if an adaptor will be 
recognised in Recovery Console.



David Griffith
On 24/02/2017 11:54, Scott Berry wrote:

Tim,

Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then through 
Command R?



On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi Network.  
There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a different 
network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  wrote:

hey all,
I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no way 
using VO to accomplish this.
No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
voiceover?
I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
any help would be fantastic.

Michael

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[Scott Berry]

Hello there,

I was reading an article to reset the NVram for the Mac last night and it said 
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Re: A Good Comparison Between Microsoft on windows with jaws and Pages on mac With VOice over

[Erik Burggraaf]

Ultimately this is up to you, though you will have a bit of a learning 
curve regardless since you are considering a move to office 2016.


Pages gives you a similar range of short cut keys to office.  Both allow 
you to track changes, spell check inline, and read format attributes.  Both 
provide access to headings, tables, lists and other formatting.  I'mm not 
impressed with ribbons in office, even after 10 years of exposure, but I 
don't care for the pages info peigns either, and I'm not a huge fan of the 
multi-leveled approach to layout taken by pages.  Both approaches toward 
making a lot of options available really don't serve the blind or low 
vision well at all, though they are fully accessible and usible.


One advantage to office is it's handling of word documents.  At some point 
three to five years ago I think, apple decided it didn't want you working 
on anything other than it's own formats.  While not exactly revoking office 
format support, they've put a multi-step export process in place in stead 
of a convenient inline saving option to make it inconvenient to use office 
formats.  Pages format itself is quite bloated, incompatible with anything 
except for pages, and so far, it hasn't offered me key features I can't get 
by using word format in pages.  I was willing to tolerate the inconvenience 
of exporting to word for the benefit of not using windows.  I have decided 
that windows is not for me and nothing I've seen in the last five years has 
convinced me that the benefits outweigh any of the drawbacks.  I try to 
keep on top of my windows knowledge a bit because I may have to support it 
in a workplace, but that's about it.  Overall, I could not imagine trading 
a good mac for a cheep windows machine, especially if you need to upgrade a 
jaws licence in order to take advantage of modern software compatibility.


There's my broad stroke assessment.  If you have specific questions, feel 
free to ask.


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On February 24, 2017 6:49:04 AM Ramy Moustafa  
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Hello all my friends:
I need your expert Advice, as you know i have my Macbook, and am
running pages on it, all i need from my laptop is to write my
Researches inside my Colledge, and i bought the pages book, to study,
But am thinking all  the time even before studying, what is the best really?
I finished my master research with My Old Laptop running even Ms
Office 2003, and I studied all it's features etc, so now, will Pages
will give me more features and eas to use, that will make me study an
app from the very beginning? Or, i can sell my macbook, and buy a new
Windows 10 Laptop , even i can buy small Notebook, just to use this in
my Colledge?
I will use the Ms office 2016, i know every feature and will start now.
i need your experiences please
Thanks for your input and for your efforts.


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Re: A Good Comparison Between Microsoft on windows with jaws and Pages on mac With VOice over

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:
I have my mac mini in my  studio and i can do all tasks that i need,
but concerning eas of use etc, what's your opinion?


On 2/24/17, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
> raymie,
>
> I really think it just comes down to personal preference and whether the OS
> and/or app you are interested in will do the things  you need and want to do
> with them.
>
> Cait
>
>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all my friends:
>> I need your expert Advice, as you know i have my Macbook, and am
>> running pages on it, all i need from my laptop is to write my
>> Researches inside my Colledge, and i bought the pages book, to study,
>> But am thinking all  the time even before studying, what is the best
>> really?
>> I finished my master research with My Old Laptop running even Ms
>> Office 2003, and I studied all it's features etc, so now, will Pages
>> will give me more features and eas to use, that will make me study an
>> app from the very beginning? Or, i can sell my macbook, and buy a new
>> Windows 10 Laptop , even i can buy small Notebook, just to use this in
>> my Colledge?
>> I will use the Ms office 2016, i know every feature and will start now.
>> i need your experiences please
>> Thanks for your input and for your efforts.
>>
>>
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Re: A Good Comparison Between Microsoft on windows with jaws and Pages on mac With VOice over

[Caitlyn Furness]

raymie,

I really think it just comes down to personal preference and whether the OS 
and/or app you are interested in will do the things  you need and want to do 
with them.

Cait

> On Feb 24, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all my friends:
> I need your expert Advice, as you know i have my Macbook, and am
> running pages on it, all i need from my laptop is to write my
> Researches inside my Colledge, and i bought the pages book, to study,
> But am thinking all  the time even before studying, what is the best really?
> I finished my master research with My Old Laptop running even Ms
> Office 2003, and I studied all it's features etc, so now, will Pages
> will give me more features and eas to use, that will make me study an
> app from the very beginning? Or, i can sell my macbook, and buy a new
> Windows 10 Laptop , even i can buy small Notebook, just to use this in
> my Colledge?
> I will use the Ms office 2016, i know every feature and will start now.
> i need your experiences please
> Thanks for your input and for your efforts.
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using voiceover?

[Scott Berry]

Tim,

Yes I didn’t think about this.  Now another question so what if you wipe the 
drive clean and then want to do a full reinstall is that possible then through 
Command R?


> On Feb 23, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if your computer is connected to a specific network when in the 
> MacOS, after you restart it into Recovery Mode, it will be connected to the 
> same network.  So, if you were on your Mac connected to Bob's WiFi Network, 
> once you restart with cmd-r, it will remain connected to Bob's WiFi Network.  
> There are Terminal commands that may allow you to connect to a different 
> network, but I haven't tested them in the Terminal in Recovery Mode.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 19:07, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I was trying to do a clean install on my system this morning and i headed to 
> recovery and turned on VO, i wanted to download a clean copy of the system..
> The problem is this, I could not connect to my Wi-Fi network, there was no 
> way using VO to accomplish this.
> No status menus that I could see, VO m twice, still nothing.
> Luckily I found a Time Machine backup that I was able to restore to.
> has anyone found a way to Connect to a wireless network in recovery using 
> voiceover?
> I find it extremely irritating that apple has not addressed this.
> any help would be fantastic.
> 
> Michael
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A Good Comparison Between Microsoft on windows with jaws and Pages on mac With VOice over

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all my friends:
I need your expert Advice, as you know i have my Macbook, and am
running pages on it, all i need from my laptop is to write my
Researches inside my Colledge, and i bought the pages book, to study,
But am thinking all  the time even before studying, what is the best really?
I finished my master research with My Old Laptop running even Ms
Office 2003, and I studied all it's features etc, so now, will Pages
will give me more features and eas to use, that will make me study an
app from the very beginning? Or, i can sell my macbook, and buy a new
Windows 10 Laptop , even i can buy small Notebook, just to use this in
my Colledge?
I will use the Ms office 2016, i know every feature and will start now.
i need your experiences please
Thanks for your input and for your efforts.


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Re: Mars edit

[David Griffith]

I am not sure whether it is aMars edit problem.

Jonathan Mosen highlighted difficulties with RTF editing on OS as one of 
his reasons for leaving and the problems with Mars Edit in particular.


The problem seems to have got even worse since I installed Sierra.


Nowadays I just use TextEdit to finalise editing and paste into Marrs 
Edit and just publish from there really.



David Griffith



On 23/02/2017 02:21, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:


Hi guys,
Is Mars edit broken? I cannot edit my blog post, and when I type, my cursor 
jumps several paragraphs above where I think I am.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli



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Re: Frustrations with Dropbox on a new MacBook Pro

[Michael Busboom]

Hi Scott,

I have never heard of pCoud. Was that a typo in your message?  Does pCoud (or 
perhaps pCloud) allow you to buy a lot of storage space?  It’s just good to 
know that the problem apparently lies with Dropbox, and not necessarily with me.

Thanks for the tip and have a good one!

Mike
 
> On 23 Feb 2017, at 19:58, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I got so frustrated with Dropbox I went to pCoud.  I like them a lot more 
> better.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:06 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  May not help, but might work to sign out of Dropbox then back in.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 2/23/2017 9:58 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I am signed up to the same Dropbox account. Otherwise, it would not be 
>>> possible to read some of my files that were just lying around in the root 
>>> directory.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
 On 23 Feb 2017, at 18:05, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Are you signed into the same Dropbox account on the new Mac?
 
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> Hi.
> 
> I don’t know if anyone else is having problems with this, and perhaps I 
> should be asking on a Dropbox forum as well, but here’s the problem I am 
> having:
> 
> While using my 2009 MacBook, I manually created folders in Dropbox and 
> manually copied individual files and folders from the MacBook   to 
> Dropbox, where I have 1TB of space.  When I installed Dropbox on my new 
> MacBook Pro, I found that I could log onto Dropbox and that there were 
> several individual files in my root folder.  However, none of the folders 
> and subfolders were visible on the new machine.  I know that the folders 
> are there, because I can use Safari to get into them, and they are also 
> visible on my iPhone.
> 
> Can someone tell me how to go about accessing my Dropbox folders and the 
> files contained within them on my new Mac?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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