Re: free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Matthew Elliff]

I really like freedome by F secure. It's very fast, and there is a free trial 
to give it a try. I forget the monthly cost, but I am paying half of it with my 
brother for a year for multiple devices. It works great with my iPhone using 
voice over. There are other versions for windows and Mac, but I haven't tried 
them out. If you do, let me know if there are accessible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Cameron Strife  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with
> voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although that
> last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time license fee
> would be preferred.
> 
> I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I don't
> want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.
> 
> I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs are
> good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various
> internet activities.
> 
> Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch
> for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows
> and had no joy on either operating system...
> 
> I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29 for
> the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on any
> platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a vpn I
> won't be able to use.
> 
> This price only lasts for the next two days though so I need to make
> up my mind pretty quickly.
> 
> Has anybody used Tiger vpn and if so, what are your thoughts? Also,
> any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cameron.
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Re: Accessible bitcoin wallet?

[Eric Oyen]

I will have to look into the bit coin wallet app for iOS. However, generating 
the bit coins still requires an external processor and a lot of time.

-eric

On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> The unlock keypad seemed to work for me, I’ll try again but I was having 
> moderate success with the same app and was going to bring it up.
> 
> I’m trying to figure out mining right now but didn’t realize I needed extra 
> hardware.
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I should add this is for iOs.
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eric, it seems there is some discussion of this that appears in google.  
>>> Wallety appears to be an open source attempt at this although I haven’t 
>>> tried the code yet.  Others appear to be open source and available in 
>>> various repositories.
>>>  Over all though, the blockchain algorithm itself shouldn’t have anything 
>>> about it that’s inaccessible, it’s just math.  I wonder if there are any 
>>> skilled blind coders (your self maybe) or someone else that would take this 
>>> on as a project.  I myself am not a coder at least not on this level, I 
>>> script for various things but that’s about it.  Seems like a problem that 
>>> should be able to be solved.
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 you aren't the only one that's been looking. in the last 3 years, I have 
 found no such animal for any platform. You would think that this wouldn't 
 be the case in Linux (or the mac), but there it is.
 
 I have even tried contacting the developers of the various wallet type 
 packages. Most of the time, I have not gotten a response and the one time 
 I did get a response, it was along the lines of "go pound sand!".
 
 Now, if I were a coder, I could take apart their programs, re-engineer it 
 with accessibility in mind and then market it. That would have the net 
 effect of putting other developers on notice and also making Bitcoin (and 
 other cryptographic currencies) available to us. The second thing it would 
 do is get me published. :) The third thing (depending on whether its 
 closed source or not) might end up with me defending my actions in a 
 lawsuit.
 
 The biggest issue I have with developers is that they make it so damned 
 hard to contact them. In some cases, there is just no means available 
 other than through a bug reporting system. Frustrating is the mildest perm 
 I can come up with.
 
 anyway, perhaps we (as a community) just need to hit these guys with a 
 mass campaign. If positive action won't work, then negative publicity will 
 force the issue.
 
 -eric
 
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
> Hi, does anyone know of an accessible bitcoin wallet for the Mac or any 
> platform for that matter, ideally on the Mac.  I’m having trouble finding 
> one although some googling yields results that makes me think there may 
> be no solution.  Anyone have any more luck with this?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
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free or paid vpn that works with Voiceover on Mac and iOS?

[Cameron Strife]

Hi everybody. I'm looking for a vpn that is reliable and works with
voiceover on OSX, iOS, and any screen reader on windows, although that
last point is no big deal either way. Free or a one time license fee
would be preferred.

I've found that express vpn works very well with voiceover but I don't
want to pay fourteen dollars a month forever to use it.

I bought a lifetime subscription to shymo vpn and while the specs are
good, it's not working on the older mac that I use for various
internet activities.

Anyways, I tried hide me vpn for mac that didn't even want to launch
for some reason, and, I recently tried cyberghost on mac and windows
and had no joy on either operating system...

I see that tiger vpn for mac, iOS, and windows is on sale for $29 for
the next two days. I don't see anything about accessibility on any
platform anywhere though and don't want to waste more money on a vpn I
won't be able to use.

This price only lasts for the next two days though so I need to make
up my mind pretty quickly.

Has anybody used Tiger vpn and if so, what are your thoughts? Also,
any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Cameron.

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Can't invite to location in iOS Home app?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I've got a few smart home devices working in the iOS Home app, and my home 
configured with the rooms and scenes in use so far. Naturally, I want to grant 
access to the other people in the house. When I try to send an invite, though, 
iOS just says "in progress" indefinitely.

I tried this some weeks ago, and figured the problem was my being on the 10.3 
beta while the rest of the devices were on 10.2. But now that we're all on 
10.3, I don't know what else the problem might be. I've tried doing this at 
home and not, connected to the 2.4GhZ network and not, on wifi and cellular, 
and targeting both of the devices I want to invite. What might I be doing 
wrong? If it matters, we don't yet have remote access set up. Thanks for any 
suggestions.

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Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Jessica Moss]

How exactly do you navigate mail threading?  I can manage to find the first 2 
messages after I press the next message button, but forget it after that if 
there are more than 2 messages in a thread; it only shows the first 2 messages, 
and that’s usually it.
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Mail Threading is working again and I love my Ear Pods.  I got them today.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: jumping to the top of an email box

[Chris Moore]

How about cmd-opt-up and cmd-opt-down
Chris
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Use FN-VO-shift-left to go to the beginning, FN-VO-shift-right to get to the 
> end.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 09:53, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a late 2011 macbook pro running sierra. Can anyone tell me the command 
> to jump to the top of an email box? I sometimes need to go in and look at 
> either sent or deleted messages and find myself several hundred emails down 
> in the list and can't figure out the command to immediately jump to the top 
> of that list.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
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Re: can't find cloud iphone backup

[E.T.]

   Very first item in Settings.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 4/1/2017 1:34 PM, jean parker wrote:

Hello All:

After updating to the new version of ios, I can’t find the icon in setting to 
back up to the cloud. Any idea where they moved it?

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland



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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, thanks so much for your explnations.
but, for you Anne:, if the style that am using, changed, will Voice
over tell me?



On 4/1/17, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Ramy,
>
> Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it
> Natural is beyond me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>
>> sorry for sending another email:
>> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
>> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
>> centered, hiding, etc.
>> so, what is natural is refers to?
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Thanks so much TIm:
>>> but sorry,
>>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>>> I forgot what style are connected what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 Answers below with your questions.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hello all:
 Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that
 will
 use
 Pages on his or her work.
 But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as
 soon
 as
 possible please.

 Here are my questions:
 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:

 Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus.
 The
 insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most
 of
 the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."



 TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
 VO
 (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
 you
 simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
 change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your
 document
 that you may not have planned on affecting.


 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
 on
 Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,

 what is it? is it left or right or what?


 TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
 with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
 document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
 therefore
 the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
 from
 right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you
 were
 moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
 of
 the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.

 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?

 TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
 document,
 you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a
 laptop,
 that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.


 Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
 but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
 Thanks in advance


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Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Mail Threading is working again and I love my Ear Pods.  I got them today.

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RE: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[M. Taylor]

One more thing, I forgot to include in my previous post, although I have not 
done so, it is possible to have the code sent to your trusted phone number, via 
voice.  So, in this case, you could simply have the number read out loud to you 
on your phone.

I suspect this option is available in the More Options link that appears in the 
same dialog box as the 6-digit code prompt.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my 
Devices and Accounts

Hello Andrew,

You ask a very interesting question.

Even though the field to which you are prompted to enter the 6-digit code has 
disappeared after switching to the messaging app, try re-initiating the 
process, in the original app, as the code should still be valid for at least a 
few minutes.  I thought I read somewhere that the code is valid for up to 10 
minutes.

Mark

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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 1:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my 
Devices and Accounts

Dear Mark,

Thank you for posting this.  I have two factor verification turned on, and i  
usually use a trusted device (my ipad) to receive a 6 digit code.  But say, no 
trusted device is available.  If the code arrives via text message on the 
iphone from which I'm trying to log in, how can I reliably read repeatedly the 
code that's been sent to me?  I've tried this, and I couldn't.  When I went to 
messaging application to read and memorise the code, and then returned to the 
application which required my entering the code, the field to which I'd have to 
type the code was gone.  Any tips or suggestions? Or does this mean that I 
always have to have another device at the ready while logging in?
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 08:10, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple 
> accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7, 
> Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email 
> accounts from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all 
> components, including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel 
> for Windows, and, after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs 
> from the grave to serve as on the fly trusted devices, all of my 
> products are now protected via Two-Factor authentication.
> 
> I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as 
> arduous as I so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time 
> and patience to learn the entire process.
> 
> To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will 
> be prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the 
> fly code you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web 
> browsers.  The best thing is that once you select to trust the device 
> or web browser, you will not be prompted for the security code again, 
> unless you choose to be prompted.
> 
> I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor 
> authentication on all of my devices and products to the test and I 
> must say that it performs as beautifully as Apple claims, including 
> when it is necessary to generate an application-specific password for 
> non-apple legacy clients such as older versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
> Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed 
> during the upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.
> 
> One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade 
> to two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and 
> familiarize yourself with the site because after upgrading to 
> two-factor for longer than
> 30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging 
> into that site with a verification code from either a trusted 
> device/phone number.
> 
> Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the 
> security wall (smile).
> 
> Mark
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Re: Accessible dj software for the mac

[Esubalew Johnston]

Hey guys thanks so much for sharing that information I just bought DJ pro two. 
Does anyone know where we can find the key commands for DJ pro thanks in advance

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Nektarios Mallas  wrote:
> 
> Hello there. 
> I have been using dj pro for a while and I must say that for the most part it 
> is quite usable with voice over.
> However, I have a serious problem. Is there any way to tell which track is 
> currently playing and which one is going to play next? 
> Also, how can you move a song somewhere in the queue from its location to the 
> top so that It can be played next?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2017, at 1:28 PM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there Bryant. The program that I use is something called Djay pro. It 
>> cost me 50 bucks but it's worth it. Most of what you want to do is 
>> accessible with voiceover. I'm still learning it myself but most of it is 
>> done by hot cheese. Take care. Jerry Mader
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Brian Howerton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello folks,
>>> I am looking in to beginning to dj weddings and private parties. I 
>>> understand that djay pro on the mac is accessible, and i would love to talk 
>>> with anybody who is using it successfully to dj. Also, would love to hear 
>>> suggestions of accessible dj midi controllers that interface well with the 
>>> software, and what works well from a blindness perspective. Feel free to 
>>> write me off-list as well. Thanks in advance for the recommendations.
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>> 
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RE: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[M. Taylor]

Hello Scott and thank you for your kind words.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 12:09 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my 
Devices and Accounts

Hi Mark,

Well done.  You’re already more skilled than the security folks at the 
Democratic Party.;). You’ve protected yourself against fishing attacks and all 
sorts of brute force and other vulnerabilities.  Fishing is exactly how John 
Podesta’s email was penetrated and then broadcast all over Wikileaks which is 
why I made that comment.
Thank you for setting a good example and encouraging enabling this 
feature.


> On Apr 1, 2017, at 3:10 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple 
> accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7, 
> Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email 
> accounts from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all 
> components, including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel 
> for Windows, and, after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs 
> from the grave to serve as on the fly trusted devices, all of my 
> products are now protected via Two-Factor authentication.
> 
> I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as 
> arduous as I so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time 
> and patience to learn the entire process.
> 
> To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will 
> be prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the 
> fly code you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web 
> browsers.  The best thing is that once you select to trust the device 
> or web browser, you will not be prompted for the security code again, 
> unless you choose to be prompted.
> 
> I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor 
> authentication on all of my devices and products to the test and I 
> must say that it performs as beautifully as Apple claims, including 
> when it is necessary to generate an application-specific password for 
> non-apple legacy clients such as older versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
> Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed 
> during the upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.
> 
> One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade 
> to two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and 
> familiarize yourself with the site because after upgrading to 
> two-factor for longer than
> 30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging 
> into that site with a verification code from either a trusted 
> device/phone number.
> 
> Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the 
> security wall (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[M. Taylor]

Hello Andrew,

You ask a very interesting question.

Even though the field to which you are prompted to enter the 6-digit code has 
disappeared after switching to the messaging app, try re-initiating the 
process, in the original app, as the code should still be valid for at least a 
few minutes.  I thought I read somewhere that the code is valid for up to 10 
minutes.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andrew Lamanche
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 1:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my 
Devices and Accounts

Dear Mark,

Thank you for posting this.  I have two factor verification turned on, and i  
usually use a trusted device (my ipad) to receive a 6 digit code.  But say, no 
trusted device is available.  If the code arrives via text message on the 
iphone from which I'm trying to log in, how can I reliably read repeatedly the 
code that's been sent to me?  I've tried this, and I couldn't.  When I went to 
messaging application to read and memorise the code, and then returned to the 
application which required my entering the code, the field to which I'd have to 
type the code was gone.  Any tips or suggestions? Or does this mean that I 
always have to have another device at the ready while logging in?
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 08:10, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple 
> accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7, 
> Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email 
> accounts from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all 
> components, including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel 
> for Windows, and, after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs 
> from the grave to serve as on the fly trusted devices, all of my 
> products are now protected via Two-Factor authentication.
> 
> I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as 
> arduous as I so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time 
> and patience to learn the entire process.
> 
> To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will 
> be prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the 
> fly code you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web 
> browsers.  The best thing is that once you select to trust the device 
> or web browser, you will not be prompted for the security code again, 
> unless you choose to be prompted.
> 
> I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor 
> authentication on all of my devices and products to the test and I 
> must say that it performs as beautifully as Apple claims, including 
> when it is necessary to generate an application-specific password for 
> non-apple legacy clients such as older versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
> Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed 
> during the upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.
> 
> One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade 
> to two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and 
> familiarize yourself with the site because after upgrading to 
> two-factor for longer than
> 30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging 
> into that site with a verification code from either a trusted 
> device/phone number.
> 
> Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the 
> security wall (smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Accessible dj software for the mac

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello there. 
I have been using dj pro for a while and I must say that for the most part it 
is quite usable with voice over.
However, I have a serious problem. Is there any way to tell which track is 
currently playing and which one is going to play next? 
Also, how can you move a song somewhere in the queue from its location to the 
top so that It can be played next?

Thanks for any help.

Nektarios.

> On 28 Mar 2017, at 1:28 PM, Jerry Mader  wrote:
> 
> Hello there Bryant. The program that I use is something called Djay pro. It 
> cost me 50 bucks but it's worth it. Most of what you want to do is accessible 
> with voiceover. I'm still learning it myself but most of it is done by hot 
> cheese. Take care. Jerry Mader
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:21 AM, Brian Howerton  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks,
>> I am looking in to beginning to dj weddings and private parties. I 
>> understand that djay pro on the mac is accessible, and i would love to talk 
>> with anybody who is using it successfully to dj. Also, would love to hear 
>> suggestions of accessible dj midi controllers that interface well with the 
>> software, and what works well from a blindness perspective. Feel free to 
>> write me off-list as well. Thanks in advance for the recommendations.
>> Brian
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> 
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can't find cloud iphone backup

[jean parker]

Hello All:

After updating to the new version of ios, I can’t find the icon in setting to 
back up to the cloud. Any idea where they moved it?

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Mark,

Thank you for posting this.  I have two factor verification turned on, and i  
usually use a trusted device (my ipad) to receive a 6 digit code.  But say, no 
trusted device is available.  If the code arrives via text message on the 
iphone from which I'm trying to log in, how can I reliably read repeatedly the 
code that's been sent to me?  I've tried this, and I couldn't.  When I went to 
messaging application to read and memorise the code, and then returned to the 
application which required my entering the code, the field to which I'd have to 
type the code was gone.  Any tips or suggestions? Or does this mean that I 
always have to have another device at the ready while logging in?
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 08:10, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple
> accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7,
> Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email accounts
> from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all components,
> including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel for Windows, and,
> after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs from the grave to serve
> as on the fly trusted devices, all of my products are now protected via
> Two-Factor authentication.  
> 
> I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as arduous as I
> so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time and patience to learn
> the entire process.
> 
> To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will be
> prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the fly code
> you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web browsers.  The best
> thing is that once you select to trust the device or web browser, you will
> not be prompted for the security code again, unless you choose to be
> prompted.  
> 
> I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor authentication on
> all of my devices and products to the test and I must say that it performs
> as beautifully as Apple claims, including when it is necessary to generate
> an application-specific password for non-apple legacy clients such as older
> versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
> Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed during the
> upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.
> 
> One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade to
> two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and familiarize
> yourself with the site because after upgrading to two-factor for longer than
> 30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging into
> that site with a verification code from either a trusted device/phone
> number.
> 
> Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the security wall
> (smile). 
> 
> Mark
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

Align Natural appears to be the same as Align Left. Why Apple calls it Natural 
is beyond me.

Cheers,

Anne

 
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 12:36, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> sorry for sending another email:
> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
> centered, hiding, etc.
> so, what is natural is refers to?
> 
> 
> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>>> use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>>> as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>> VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>> you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>> on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>> therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>> from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>> of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>> document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Jonathan,

This has certainly worked in Pages in the past. I haven’t yet tried it under 
Sierra as I only installed Sierra yesterday.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 1 Apr 2017, at 16:21, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this would work, but try setting a hotspot on the Style name 
> and then watching that hotspot.
> 
> So, vo-shift-5 (set current location as hot spot 5 )
> vo-shift-command-5 (Start watching hotspot 5 )
> 
> Then anytime Hotspot 5 changes it should speak. It is possible this will not 
> work. sometimes the Layout of areas changes enough that the hotspot is 
> inactivated. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
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Re: Accessible bitcoin wallet?

[Scott Granados]

The unlock keypad seemed to work for me, I’ll try again but I was having 
moderate success with the same app and was going to bring it up.

I’m trying to figure out mining right now but didn’t realize I needed extra 
hardware.

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> I should add this is for iOs.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, it seems there is some discussion of this that appears in google.  
>> Wallety appears to be an open source attempt at this although I haven’t 
>> tried the code yet.  Others appear to be open source and available in 
>> various repositories.
>>   Over all though, the blockchain algorithm itself shouldn’t have anything 
>> about it that’s inaccessible, it’s just math.  I wonder if there are any 
>> skilled blind coders (your self maybe) or someone else that would take this 
>> on as a project.  I myself am not a coder at least not on this level, I 
>> script for various things but that’s about it.  Seems like a problem that 
>> should be able to be solved.
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> you aren't the only one that's been looking. in the last 3 years, I have 
>>> found no such animal for any platform. You would think that this wouldn't 
>>> be the case in Linux (or the mac), but there it is.
>>> 
>>> I have even tried contacting the developers of the various wallet type 
>>> packages. Most of the time, I have not gotten a response and the one time I 
>>> did get a response, it was along the lines of "go pound sand!".
>>> 
>>> Now, if I were a coder, I could take apart their programs, re-engineer it 
>>> with accessibility in mind and then market it. That would have the net 
>>> effect of putting other developers on notice and also making Bitcoin (and 
>>> other cryptographic currencies) available to us. The second thing it would 
>>> do is get me published. :) The third thing (depending on whether its closed 
>>> source or not) might end up with me defending my actions in a lawsuit.
>>> 
>>> The biggest issue I have with developers is that they make it so damned 
>>> hard to contact them. In some cases, there is just no means available other 
>>> than through a bug reporting system. Frustrating is the mildest perm I can 
>>> come up with.
>>> 
>>> anyway, perhaps we (as a community) just need to hit these guys with a mass 
>>> campaign. If positive action won't work, then negative publicity will force 
>>> the issue.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 
 Hi, does anyone know of an accessible bitcoin wallet for the Mac or any 
 platform for that matter, ideally on the Mac.  I’m having trouble finding 
 one although some googling yields results that makes me think there may be 
 no solution.  Anyone have any more luck with this?
 
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Re: Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[Scott Granados]

Hi Mark,

Well done.  You’re already more skilled than the security folks at the 
Democratic Party.;). You’ve protected yourself against fishing attacks and all 
sorts of brute force and other vulnerabilities.  Fishing is exactly how John 
Podesta’s email was penetrated and then broadcast all over Wikileaks which is 
why I made that comment.
Thank you for setting a good example and encouraging enabling this 
feature.


> On Apr 1, 2017, at 3:10 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple
> accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7,
> Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email accounts
> from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all components,
> including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel for Windows, and,
> after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs from the grave to serve
> as on the fly trusted devices, all of my products are now protected via
> Two-Factor authentication.
> 
> I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as arduous as I
> so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time and patience to learn
> the entire process.
> 
> To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will be
> prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the fly code
> you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web browsers.  The best
> thing is that once you select to trust the device or web browser, you will
> not be prompted for the security code again, unless you choose to be
> prompted.
> 
> I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor authentication on
> all of my devices and products to the test and I must say that it performs
> as beautifully as Apple claims, including when it is necessary to generate
> an application-specific password for non-apple legacy clients such as older
> versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.
> 
> Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
> Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed during the
> upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.
> 
> One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade to
> two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and familiarize
> yourself with the site because after upgrading to two-factor for longer than
> 30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging into
> that site with a verification code from either a trusted device/phone
> number.
> 
> Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the security wall
> (smile).
> 
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Re: jumping to the top of an email box

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Use FN-VO-shift-left to go to the beginning, FN-VO-shift-right to get to the 
end.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 1, 2017, at 09:53, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hi all,

I have a late 2011 macbook pro running sierra. Can anyone tell me the command 
to jump to the top of an email box? I sometimes need to go in and look at 
either sent or deleted messages and find myself several hundred emails down in 
the list and can't figure out the command to immediately jump to the top of 
that list.

Thanks,

Gabe


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jumping to the top of an email box

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,

I have a late 2011 macbook pro running sierra. Can anyone tell me the command 
to jump to the top of an email box? I sometimes need to go in and look at 
either sent or deleted messages and find myself several hundred emails down in 
the list and can't figure out the command to immediately jump to the top of 
that list.

Thanks,

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iPhone recording phone calls

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,

I'm trying to help a friend find an app that you can use to record a phone call 
and then be able to upload that recording to a file sharing service. I know the 
iPhone has a built in recording function but will that record a phone call that 
you are currently on with the phone and then offer an option to be able to 
upload and share that recording? If not, does anyone have any suggestions for 
an app that will do this? I've found several in the app store that look like 
you might be able to do this but am not sure of the VO accessibility on them.

Thanks,

Gabe

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Sierra update

[Adrienne Chalmers]

OK, so I did all the things again I’ve been doing for the past four days and 
this time it has worked. At least it has on my iMac, I have yet to try again on 
my MBP.

Thanks everyone

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Re: How do I create a script using Automator which can later be used in dictation under workflow for dragging and dropping?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't think you can do a general purpose dragon drop with Automator. Can
you get more details of what you were trying to do?
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:16 PM Jerry Mader  wrote:

> Hello there. I need some help because I have to drag and drop a Lot of
> files and I'd like to be able to do this by talking to my computer and
> telling my computer to drag-and-drop. However I can't seem to get dictation
> to allow me to do this. So what I would like to do is to create a workflow
> app or A script created for Automator to use that Will let me drag and drop
> files as well as Mark files for dragon drop. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated. Thank you. Jerry Mader
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

I did not see natural, but in the area you are speaking of, I saw justified 
along with center / left/ right. Are you perhaps not using US/English in which 
case wording might be a little different? Also, most formatter items have Voice 
Over help tags. These are usually read after a delay, or can be read with 
vo-shift-h. So perhaps Pages can give you the answer to your question.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:36 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> sorry for sending another email:
> but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
> something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
> centered, hiding, etc.
> so, what is natural is refers to?
> 
> 
> On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>> Thanks so much TIm:
>> but sorry,
>> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
>> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
>> I forgot what style are connected what
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Answers below with your questions.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>>> use
>>> Pages on his or her work.
>>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>>> as
>>> possible please.
>>> 
>>> Here are my questions:
>>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>> 
>>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>>> VO
>>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>>> you
>>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>>> on
>>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>> 
>>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>>> therefore
>>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>>> from
>>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>>> of
>>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>> 
>>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>> 
>>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>>> document,
>>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't know if this would work, but try setting a hotspot on the Style name 
and then watching that hotspot.

So, vo-shift-5 (set current location as hot spot 5 )
vo-shift-command-5 (Start watching hotspot 5 )

Then anytime Hotspot 5 changes it should speak. It is possible this will not 
work. sometimes the Layout of areas changes enough that the hotspot is 
inactivated. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Apr 1, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much TIm:
> but sorry,
> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
> I forgot what style are connected what
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Answers below with your questions.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
>> Pages on his or her work.
>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
>> possible please.
>> 
>> Here are my questions:
>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>> 
>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>> 
>> 
>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>> 
>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>> 
>> 
>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>> 
>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>> 
>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> 
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

sorry for sending another email:
but I forgot to say that, I mean by natural that I don't know
something called natural  inside styoles, I know, left , right
centered, hiding, etc.
so, what is natural is refers to?


On 4/1/17, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much TIm:
> but sorry,
> when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
> is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
> I forgot what style are connected what
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Answers below with your questions.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will
>> use
>> Pages on his or her work.
>> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon
>> as
>> possible please.
>>
>> Here are my questions:
>> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>>
>> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
>> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
>> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>>
>>
>>
>> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the
>> VO
>> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If
>> you
>> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
>> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
>> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>>
>>
>> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing
>> on
>> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>>
>> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>>
>>
>> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
>> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
>> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over,
>> therefore
>> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling
>> from
>> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
>> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right
>> of
>> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>>
>> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>>
>> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the
>> document,
>> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
>> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>>
>>
>> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
>> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Some Questions Regarding Pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much TIm:
but sorry,
when moving between my styles with f1, f2, etc.
is there any way that the Voice over can say the Style name?
I forgot what style are connected what

Thanks


On 3/31/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Answers below with your questions.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Mar 30, 2017, at 18:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello all:
> Am now studying the My Mac pages, and I recommend it to anyone that will use
> Pages on his or her work.
> But i have some questions that i hope to find an answer for them as soon as
> possible please.
>
> Here are my questions:
> 1- I can’t understand this sentence at all:
>
> Always use the VO keys in the Formatter to avoid changing the focus. The
> insertion point will be moved if you just use the arrow keys, but most of
> the time, the arrow keys alone simply won’t work."
>
>
>
> TK:  What it's telling you to do is to make sure that you hold down the VO
> (ctrl+option) keys when modifying things within the Formatter area.  If you
> simply try to use the arrow keys, without the VO modifiers, then you'll
> change the cursor location and/or affect other elements of your document
> that you may not have planned on affecting.
>
>
> 2- my observation is that, When i read the text format when am standing on
> Hidding, using the Vo+t, it told me, alined Natural,
>
> what is it? is it left or right or what?
>
>
> TK:  It was telling you the format of the text the cursor was connected
> with.  Understand that with the Mac, if you're moving right through a
> document, it will be connected with the item it just passed over, therefore
> the textual item just to the left of the cursor.  If you're travelling from
> right to left, the same consideration is taken.  That is, since you were
> moving to the left, then the last item passed over is just to the right of
> the cursor, and therefore that is the item that will be focused on.
>
> 3- How can i move page by page inside pages?
>
> TK:  Normally, as long as you've interacted with the body of the document,
> you should be able to use the VO keys with Page up or down.  On a laptop,
> that would be VO-fn-down or VO-fn-up.
>
>
> Sorry if some of my Questions are not professional
> but i need a very quick help ignorer to complete my research.
> Thanks in advance
>
>
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Apple Two-Factor Authentication Finally Enabled on all of my Devices and Accounts

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Well, I cannot say that it was easy, given that I have multiple Apple
accounts on a wide variety of devices including Windows 10, Windows 7,
Windows 8, Mac, iOS, etc and also that I access my various email accounts
from legacy Windows based clients but, after updating all components,
including the latest versions of the iCloud Control Panel for Windows, and,
after resurrecting a couple of old iPhones and Macs from the grave to serve
as on the fly trusted devices, all of my products are now protected via
Two-Factor authentication.  

I dare say that most will not find the upgrade to two-factor as arduous as I
so, I do recommend upgrading if you have both the time and patience to learn
the entire process.

To those of you who only have one device? I say go for it as you will be
prompted for a telephone number that can always provide the on the fly code
you will need to login to new Apple devices or any web browsers.  The best
thing is that once you select to trust the device or web browser, you will
not be prompted for the security code again, unless you choose to be
prompted.  

I have spent the past two days really putting two-factor authentication on
all of my devices and products to the test and I must say that it performs
as beautifully as Apple claims, including when it is necessary to generate
an application-specific password for non-apple legacy clients such as older
versions of Outlook or Thunderbird.

Keep in mind that this is something that you do not want to rush through.
Take your time and read all of the information that is displayed during the
upgrade process as it will help you a great deal.

One more thing, I strongly suggest that before you decide to upgrade to
two-factor, that you login to http://appleid.apple.com and familiarize
yourself with the site because after upgrading to two-factor for longer than
30 days, the only way you will be able to turn it off is by logging into
that site with a verification code from either a trusted device/phone
number.

Good Luck to you all and I'll see you on the other side of the security wall
(smile). 

Mark

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