RE: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

Thank you; at the time I wrote my post, I just could not remember the proper 
term that is the Digital Crown.  

Yes, it is interesting that we both chose the same watch face.  I would wager 
that many like the Modular watch face because it is the least graphical 
face--providing, I believe, the greatest number of Complications.

Or it could simply be that "Great minds think alike."  (big smile)

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

Hi Mark,

Interesting 

Might hav to check that app in the nz store,

 The Digital Crown is the dial on the side of the watch.

 And more interesting is the fact your using the same complication I am 

I found it was the best option for my requirements.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2017 7:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

Hello All,

Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  I must 
say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has to learn, 
essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely refreshing 
and rewarding.

So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time being, I can 
tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.  

The app is called FitPort.  

My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the fact that, 
when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication that allows one to 
easily see the number of steps taken, from directly in the watch face.  It's 
absolutely brilliant.  

So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort Complication 
located in the center middle area of the watch face.  

Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot remember its 
name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of steps I've taken so 
far, in a day.  

The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the Health app 
on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.  

Very, very impressive.  

The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very positive 
review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have mentioned them in a 
Tweet at @FitPort.

Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and easy-to-use app.

Until Next Time,

Mark  

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RE: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alex,

Thank you most kindly.

This is very useful information that I will begin using, immediately.

Mark
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On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question

I'm glad you're getting the hang of it. One suggestion for notifications: a 
two-finger scrub closes them. It doesn't dismiss them as the "dismiss" button, 
does, meaning they'll still be in your notification center. It does, however, 
get them off the screen so you can get back to your watch face or active app. 
Waiting them out does, of course, work as well. Just so you have the option. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 02:42, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> My apologies for the confusion.  
> 
> You are quite correct in your scenario.  The messages, do, in fact, go away 
> after a brief moment and, having learned this, I simply wait a few seconds 
> after the haptic indicator before waking the watch and all is as you say it 
> should be.
> 
> To be honest, now that I am beginning to understand the logic of the device, 
> I'm really starting to like it a great deal.  
> 
> Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question
> 
> Mark,
> Can you clear up a couple things? I get that you don’t want message 
> notifications at all, but you said you see the latest message every time you 
> wake your Apple Watch. Even if you are getting notifications, I don’t 
> understand how you see a message all the time? Notifications will go away 
> after a few seconds if you don’t look at them, so that when you next wake the 
> screen, you see your watch face. You can then swipe down with two fingers to 
> access notifications you may have missed, or swipe up or down on any watch 
> face item until you get “Notification Center”. But having a notification 
> never go away isn’t expected behavior, in my experience at least. Can you 
> explain in more detail what’s going on? This may help us to better help you.
> 
> As to the syncing of other data, can you tell us why you want to limit this? 
> Of course, I understand not getting notifications. That said, if you simply 
> disable calendar notifications, say, then you never even have to know that 
> your calendar events are on the Watch. If, however, you ever need to ask Siri 
> on your watch what’s next on your calendar, or you want to add the calendar 
> to a watch face, the option is there. Contacts are equally helpful, letting 
> the watch tell you, by name, who’s calling or texting. Again, you can turn 
> all these notifications off, but the option will be there. You can also tell 
> Siri on the watch to “text Pete” instead of trying to dictate a full phone 
> number each time. I’m just not seeing the need to completely stop data 
> syncing, if you can more easily silence notifications to do with the data you 
> don’t want.
> 
> If you want the Watch to be an activity tracker, it can do that. The problem 
> is that all its data is constantly syncing to your iPhone. If you sign into 
> one account on the watch, and another on the phone, I don’t know whaat might 
> happen to this syncing. I also doubt you’d get your activity and health data 
> included in iCloud backups if your phone refuses to accept it. Finally, your 
> actual Watch will then be registered to a different account. That’s not a 
> problem in itself, but it does make things more complex if and when you have 
> to talk to Apple support.
> 
> Finally, I’ll say this. The Apple Watch is a very good activity tracker, no 
> doubt. But I can’t recommend enough that, as you get more comfortable with 
> it, you give its other functions a try. I love tapping my watch screen to 
> wake it, then using Hey Siri to text someone or control a smart home device. 
> My phone can be in the other room, playing media I don’t want to interrupt, 
> hooked to a bluetooth headset with a terrible microphone, or otherwise not 
> convenient for Siri control. Yet my Watch handles things just fine. It’s also 
> nice to customize the watch face to add the information you need, like 
> upcoming calendar event, weather details, a timer, commonly used apps, 
> activity rings, whatever you find useful. The more you explore everything the 
> Watch has to offer, the more you might find you like it as more than just a 
> health tracker. I’m not saying you should do everything right away, or force 
> yourself to use something you don’t feel comfortable with. All I’m saying is 
> that there’s a great deal of convenience and power on your wrist, 

RE: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[M. Taylor]

Hello Paul,

I apologize for the delay in replying as I only now just saw your post.

Okay, what many may not realize is that not all Complication areas are created 
equal, so-to-speak.  This is to say that depending upon the watch face, various 
space-size is allotted for various Complications.  

In short, the space reserved for any Complication will depend upon where that 
space is located on the watch face in question.  

Generally speaking, then, the corner locations are smaller than the 
center/middle locations.  

Therefore, in order to see the number of steps, via the Fit Port Complication, 
place the Fit Port complication in a center/middle space of a watch face.  

On my Modular watch face, for example, I placed the Fit Port complication in 
the middle space.

Finally, it follows, then, that various Complications will display different 
data depending on where they are located in any watch face so be sure to 
experiment until you get the right fit for you.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Pablo Sandoval
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

Mark and all,

I have just downloaded installed and given permission for FitPort to have 
access to my health data.
I next enabled FitPort complication on one of my watch faces. Now I am only 
hearing 7% when I touch this complication. I can see that FitPort is reporting 
the correct number of steps in the app, but I was hoping to see this number 
directly from the complication. Is there an additional setting that I need to 
tweak?
Thanks
Paul

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 1:07 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  
> I must say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has 
> to learn, essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
> Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely 
> refreshing and rewarding.
> 
> So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time 
> being, I can tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.
> 
> The app is called FitPort.  
> 
> My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the 
> fact that, when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication 
> that allows one to easily see the number of steps taken, from directly 
> in the watch face.  It's absolutely brilliant.
> 
> So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort 
> Complication located in the center middle area of the watch face.
> 
> Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot 
> remember its name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of 
> steps I've taken so far, in a day.
> 
> The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the 
> Health app on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.
> 
> Very, very impressive.  
> 
> The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very 
> positive review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have 
> mentioned them in a Tweet at @FitPort.
> 
> Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and 
> easy-to-use app.
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[Pablo Sandoval]

Mark and all,

I have just downloaded installed and given permission for FitPort to have 
access to my health data.
I next enabled FitPort complication on one of my watch faces. Now I am only 
hearing 7% when I touch this complication. I can see that FitPort is reporting 
the correct number of steps in the app, but I was hoping to see this number 
directly from the complication. Is there an additional setting that I need to 
tweak?
Thanks 
Paul

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 1:07 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  I
> must say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has to
> learn, essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
> Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely
> refreshing and rewarding.
> 
> So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time being, I
> can tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.  
> 
> The app is called FitPort.  
> 
> My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the fact
> that, when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication that allows
> one to easily see the number of steps taken, from directly in the watch
> face.  It's absolutely brilliant.  
> 
> So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort
> Complication located in the center middle area of the watch face.  
> 
> Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot remember
> its name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of steps I've taken
> so far, in a day.  
> 
> The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the Health
> app on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.  
> 
> Very, very impressive.  
> 
> The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very
> positive review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have mentioned
> them in a Tweet at @FitPort.
> 
> Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and easy-to-use
> app.
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark  
> 
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Re: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[Pablo Sandoval]

Mark and all,

I have just downloaded installed and given permission for FitPort to have 
access to my health data.
I next enabled FitPort complication on one of my watch faces. Now I am only 
hearing 7% when I touch this complication. I can see that FitPort is reporting 
the correct number of steps in the app, but I was hoping to see this number 
directly from the complication. Is there an additional setting that I need to 
tweak?
Thanks 
Paul

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 1:07 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  I
> must say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has to
> learn, essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
> Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely
> refreshing and rewarding.
> 
> So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time being, I
> can tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.  
> 
> The app is called FitPort.  
> 
> My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the fact
> that, when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication that allows
> one to easily see the number of steps taken, from directly in the watch
> face.  It's absolutely brilliant.  
> 
> So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort
> Complication located in the center middle area of the watch face.  
> 
> Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot remember
> its name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of steps I've taken
> so far, in a day.  
> 
> The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the Health
> app on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.  
> 
> Very, very impressive.  
> 
> The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very
> positive review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have mentioned
> them in a Tweet at @FitPort.
> 
> Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and easy-to-use
> app.
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark  
> 
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Re: Does anyone know if there's a way of leaving VO turned on on my Mac permanently??

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Eleanor,

Open System Preferences and select Users & Groups. Interact with Users, groups 
and login options. Go to the last item, Login options group and interact again 
to select it. Stop interacting twice, then navigate right to the Use VoiceOver 
in the login window checkbox and check it. You’ll probably have to click the 
padlock and put in your password before it allows you to do this.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 6 Jul 2017, at 19:49, 'Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all 
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I use VO on my Mac all the time. 
> However, every time I go to turn my Mac on at the start of a new session VO 
> doesn't come on automatically. It always used to, but since updating to the 
> latest OS I've had to manually turn VO on every time with command F5. This 
> isn't really too much of a hassle, but it's very annoying as I can't see the 
> screen at all so could really do with VO coming on right from the word go, 
> particularly when the Mac is running updates etc etc. So does anyone know how 
> I can get my Mac to go back to VO coming on automatically?? 
> 
> Any help much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Virtualbox settings help.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I need some help with Virtualbox and settings for the virtual machine with 
linux i am running.
I need to change the storage for that system but can not figure out how to 
change the setting.
When i click the settings button i am placed in to a dialog box with a lot of 
checkboxes for storage, system etc but nothing happens when checking these 
checkboxes.
I have tried to use the windows choocer to select any window that might pop up 
with no luck.
THough Voiceover announces that Virtualbox has new window evrytime i move into 
the settings window.
So especially SImon come on an help me if you can.  
Thanks in advance.
/A

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Does anyone know if there's a way of leaving VO turned on on my Mac permanently??

['Eleanor Roberts' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all 

I'm hoping someone can help me with this. I use VO on my Mac all the time. 
However, every time I go to turn my Mac on at the start of a new session VO 
doesn't come on automatically. It always used to, but since updating to the 
latest OS I've had to manually turn VO on every time with command F5. This 
isn't really too much of a hassle, but it's very annoying as I can't see the 
screen at all so could really do with VO coming on right from the word go, 
particularly when the Mac is running updates etc etc. So does anyone know how I 
can get my Mac to go back to VO coming on automatically?? 

Any help much appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor 

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Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question

[Alex Hall]

I'm glad you're getting the hang of it. One suggestion for notifications: a 
two-finger scrub closes them. It doesn't dismiss them as the "dismiss" button, 
does, meaning they'll still be in your notification center. It does, however, 
get them off the screen so you can get back to your watch face or active app. 
Waiting them out does, of course, work as well. Just so you have the option. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 02:42, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> My apologies for the confusion.  
> 
> You are quite correct in your scenario.  The messages, do, in fact, go away 
> after a brief moment and, having learned this, I simply wait a few seconds 
> after the haptic indicator before waking the watch and all is as you say it 
> should be.
> 
> To be honest, now that I am beginning to understand the logic of the device, 
> I'm really starting to like it a great deal.  
> 
> Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question
> 
> Mark,
> Can you clear up a couple things? I get that you don’t want message 
> notifications at all, but you said you see the latest message every time you 
> wake your Apple Watch. Even if you are getting notifications, I don’t 
> understand how you see a message all the time? Notifications will go away 
> after a few seconds if you don’t look at them, so that when you next wake the 
> screen, you see your watch face. You can then swipe down with two fingers to 
> access notifications you may have missed, or swipe up or down on any watch 
> face item until you get “Notification Center”. But having a notification 
> never go away isn’t expected behavior, in my experience at least. Can you 
> explain in more detail what’s going on? This may help us to better help you.
> 
> As to the syncing of other data, can you tell us why you want to limit this? 
> Of course, I understand not getting notifications. That said, if you simply 
> disable calendar notifications, say, then you never even have to know that 
> your calendar events are on the Watch. If, however, you ever need to ask Siri 
> on your watch what’s next on your calendar, or you want to add the calendar 
> to a watch face, the option is there. Contacts are equally helpful, letting 
> the watch tell you, by name, who’s calling or texting. Again, you can turn 
> all these notifications off, but the option will be there. You can also tell 
> Siri on the watch to “text Pete” instead of trying to dictate a full phone 
> number each time. I’m just not seeing the need to completely stop data 
> syncing, if you can more easily silence notifications to do with the data you 
> don’t want.
> 
> If you want the Watch to be an activity tracker, it can do that. The problem 
> is that all its data is constantly syncing to your iPhone. If you sign into 
> one account on the watch, and another on the phone, I don’t know whaat might 
> happen to this syncing. I also doubt you’d get your activity and health data 
> included in iCloud backups if your phone refuses to accept it. Finally, your 
> actual Watch will then be registered to a different account. That’s not a 
> problem in itself, but it does make things more complex if and when you have 
> to talk to Apple support.
> 
> Finally, I’ll say this. The Apple Watch is a very good activity tracker, no 
> doubt. But I can’t recommend enough that, as you get more comfortable with 
> it, you give its other functions a try. I love tapping my watch screen to 
> wake it, then using Hey Siri to text someone or control a smart home device. 
> My phone can be in the other room, playing media I don’t want to interrupt, 
> hooked to a bluetooth headset with a terrible microphone, or otherwise not 
> convenient for Siri control. Yet my Watch handles things just fine. It’s also 
> nice to customize the watch face to add the information you need, like 
> upcoming calendar event, weather details, a timer, commonly used apps, 
> activity rings, whatever you find useful. The more you explore everything the 
> Watch has to offer, the more you might find you like it as more than just a 
> health tracker. I’m not saying you should do everything right away, or force 
> yourself to use something you don’t feel comfortable with. All I’m saying is 
> that there’s a great deal of convenience and power on your wrist, and I 
> wouldn’t want to see you miss out on the opportunities your new Watch can 
> provide.
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, sorry.  I was thinking that's how I turned it off on my iPod, but that 
>> was a long time ago, so sounds like I must have done it some other way.
>> Good luck,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:50 

RE: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Interesting 

Might hav to check that app in the nz store,

 The Digital Crown is the dial on the side of the watch.

 And more interesting is the fact your using the same complication I am 

I found it was the best option for my requirements.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2017 7:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

Hello All,

Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  I must 
say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has to learn, 
essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely refreshing 
and rewarding.

So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time being, I can 
tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.  

The app is called FitPort.  

My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the fact that, 
when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication that allows one to 
easily see the number of steps taken, from directly in the watch face.  It's 
absolutely brilliant.  

So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort Complication 
located in the center middle area of the watch face.  

Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot remember its 
name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of steps I've taken so 
far, in a day.  

The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the Health app 
on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.  

Very, very impressive.  

The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very positive 
review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have mentioned them in a 
Tweet at @FitPort.

Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and easy-to-use app.

Until Next Time,

Mark  

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RE: High Sierra Beta

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 Have you tried starttting up in the recovery console and then opening disk 
utilities and then select the volume in question and eraise the entire thing.

 This should also give you the option to reformat in the correct format.

Personally I"d do this using a USB bootable drive so you take the internal 
drive out of the start up process.From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2017 6:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: High Sierra Beta

Ok. If I ever get the internal drive reformatted again to macOS Extended 
and restore to Sierra, I may try the beta on the external again.

That case sensitive version of APFS may be the problem I cannot work around.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/5/2017 10:42 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I just installed high Sierra on a work laptop and the checkbook was still 
> present.  You have to tab to the left when you hit the display with the drive 
> selection to find this checkbox.  And no, I am using public beta only, no 
> developer account here.
>
> Thanks
>
>> On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>   You have a developer account? Has there been an update since then? The 
>> installer I got no longer has the checkbox.
>>
>>   I did not intend to run the beta on the internal drive. Not sure how it 
>> happened, I was trying to close the app store. The internal drive ended up 
>> with APFS case-sensitive. After restoring Sierra to the external drive, I 
>> booted into recovery and tried to format the internal drive to Mac OS 
>> Extended. It fails everytime.
>>
>>   First Aid reports the partition is fine, the volume is not fine. When I 
>> try to erase the volume the APFS case-sensitive option is dimmed, the others 
>> are not.
>>
>>   Strange and perplexing.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 7/5/2017 6:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I had no such problem.  I upgraded in place though not installed fresh so 
>>> there may be a difference.  I just checked the checkbox and everything 
>>> proceeded perfectly.  New filesystem seems to be working so far but this is 
>>> not on a mission critical laptop so time will tell how stable it is.
>>>
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:

 My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message. 
 Do Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly 
 Not Ready And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried Upgrading 
 Through Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With a White 
 Screen and my System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The End, I 
 Had to Launch Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including All 
 Petitions And Restore From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to try 
 this again until the main release.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Yup but I have not found it.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
>> On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> yup.
>> In the installer.
>> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it 
>> doesn't upgrade by default.
>>
>>> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>  I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. 
>>> One site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also 
>>> indicated that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>>>
>>>  Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to 
>>> the login screen.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
 On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.


> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  
> wrote:
>
> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
>

Mark's New Apple Watch: My First Favorite New App for WatchOS

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Thank you, most kindly, for taking an interest in my new Apple Watch.  I
must say that the learning curve is quite steep, given that one has to
learn, essentially , both a new paradigm in terms of VoiceOver navigation.
Be that as it may, I have, thustly, found the experience immensely
refreshing and rewarding.

So, now that I have the watch teak the way I want it, for the time being, I
can tell you that I am most delighted with my first WatchOS app.  

The app is called FitPort.  

My favorite aspect of this simple health statistics dashboard is the fact
that, when installed on WatchOS, it also installs a Complication that allows
one to easily see the number of steps taken, from directly in the watch
face.  It's absolutely brilliant.  

So, I am currently using the Modular watch-face with the FitPort
Complication located in the center middle area of the watch face.  

Now, with the turn of the wheel on the side of the watch, I cannot remember
its name, I can quickly and conveniently hear the number of steps I've taken
so far, in a day.  

The best part is that this number is perfectly synchronized with the Health
app on iPhone just as WatchOS and iOS sync the Activity data.  

Very, very impressive.  

The FitPort app cost $2.99 in the US App Store.  I have posted a very
positive review in the App Store on FitPort's behalf and I have mentioned
them in a Tweet at @FitPort.

Special thanks to Ed for pointing me to this amazing simple and easy-to-use
app.

Until Next Time,

Mark  

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RE: marks new watch,

[M. Taylor]

Hello Simon,

To be honest, I no longer see the need to attempt to sign in to my watch with a 
different Appple ID than the default one.  I am beginning to like the 
notifications now that I've learned how to customize many of them.

Thank you again, for your very creative suggestion, however.,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: marks new watch,

Hi Mark,

Yeah I'm actually wondering about this now myself,

 Might grab my apple watch S1 and try it on that, I will need a different apple 
id to try it with though.

 Good luck and let us know how it goes.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 6:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: marks new watch,

Hello Simon,

I love this idea of yours.

I’m definitely going to give it a try.

I see your point about the watch being an extension of the phone.  If I can’t 
get it to work, then I’ll live with it and learn to enjoy even more of the 
proverbial “Apple Juice.”  (big Smile)

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 3:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: marks new watch,

Hi Mark,

I think you would need to have your watch using a different apple id to stop 
the iMessages coming from the phone to the watch,

Remember that the iMessage uses phone numbers or email addresses to sync 
imessages with devices on the same apple id.

Good luck though.
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RE: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alex,

My apologies for the confusion.  

You are quite correct in your scenario.  The messages, do, in fact, go away 
after a brief moment and, having learned this, I simply wait a few seconds 
after the haptic indicator before waking the watch and all is as you say it 
should be.

To be honest, now that I am beginning to understand the logic of the device, 
I'm really starting to like it a great deal.  

Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

Sincerely,

Mark


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question

Mark,
Can you clear up a couple things? I get that you don’t want message 
notifications at all, but you said you see the latest message every time you 
wake your Apple Watch. Even if you are getting notifications, I don’t 
understand how you see a message all the time? Notifications will go away after 
a few seconds if you don’t look at them, so that when you next wake the screen, 
you see your watch face. You can then swipe down with two fingers to access 
notifications you may have missed, or swipe up or down on any watch face item 
until you get “Notification Center”. But having a notification never go away 
isn’t expected behavior, in my experience at least. Can you explain in more 
detail what’s going on? This may help us to better help you.

As to the syncing of other data, can you tell us why you want to limit this? Of 
course, I understand not getting notifications. That said, if you simply 
disable calendar notifications, say, then you never even have to know that your 
calendar events are on the Watch. If, however, you ever need to ask Siri on 
your watch what’s next on your calendar, or you want to add the calendar to a 
watch face, the option is there. Contacts are equally helpful, letting the 
watch tell you, by name, who’s calling or texting. Again, you can turn all 
these notifications off, but the option will be there. You can also tell Siri 
on the watch to “text Pete” instead of trying to dictate a full phone number 
each time. I’m just not seeing the need to completely stop data syncing, if you 
can more easily silence notifications to do with the data you don’t want.

If you want the Watch to be an activity tracker, it can do that. The problem is 
that all its data is constantly syncing to your iPhone. If you sign into one 
account on the watch, and another on the phone, I don’t know whaat might happen 
to this syncing. I also doubt you’d get your activity and health data included 
in iCloud backups if your phone refuses to accept it. Finally, your actual 
Watch will then be registered to a different account. That’s not a problem in 
itself, but it does make things more complex if and when you have to talk to 
Apple support.

Finally, I’ll say this. The Apple Watch is a very good activity tracker, no 
doubt. But I can’t recommend enough that, as you get more comfortable with it, 
you give its other functions a try. I love tapping my watch screen to wake it, 
then using Hey Siri to text someone or control a smart home device. My phone 
can be in the other room, playing media I don’t want to interrupt, hooked to a 
bluetooth headset with a terrible microphone, or otherwise not convenient for 
Siri control. Yet my Watch handles things just fine. It’s also nice to 
customize the watch face to add the information you need, like upcoming 
calendar event, weather details, a timer, commonly used apps, activity rings, 
whatever you find useful. The more you explore everything the Watch has to 
offer, the more you might find you like it as more than just a health tracker. 
I’m not saying you should do everything right away, or force yourself to use 
something you don’t feel comfortable with. All I’m saying is that there’s a 
great deal of convenience and power on your wrist, and I wouldn’t want to see 
you miss out on the opportunities your new Watch can provide.

> On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Ah, sorry.  I was thinking that's how I turned it off on my iPod, but that 
> was a long time ago, so sounds like I must have done it some other way.
> Good luck,
> Donna
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:50 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> No suggestion is rubbish.  (smile)
>> 
>> The feature you are describing is called iMessage Forwarding.  It is a 
>> wonderful feature that applies to non-iMessage SMS.  This feature does not 
>> apply to Apple Watch, however.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:40 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mark's New Apple Watch with One Big Question
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I've barely started my first