Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[lenron brown]

I am wanting to buy a series 2 but seriously wondering if a 3 will
come out this year. I want the 42mm with one of the nice metal bands.

On 7/20/17, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> I saw something about a series one watch recall. I didn't pay much
> attention, but you should probably see if you are eligible for a free
> servicing.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Oh, i haven’t used my watch in a year now.
>> Its a series 1 watch so i might just let it be.
>> I don’t use the iphone much since i went over to android but we’ll see
>> what happens.
>> There still are some issues with android and therefore i might jump back
>> to Ios.
>> /A
>>> 20 juli 2017 kl. 16:21 skrev Scott Granados :
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.
>>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more
>>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice
>>> over is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2
>>> Steel 42MM watch in this example.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I saw something about a series one watch recall. I didn't pay much attention, 
but you should probably see if you are eligible for a free servicing.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Oh, i haven’t used my watch in a year now.
> Its a series 1 watch so i might just let it be.
> I don’t use the iphone much since i went over to android but we’ll see what 
> happens.
> There still are some issues with android and therefore i might jump back to 
> Ios.
> /A
>> 20 juli 2017 kl. 16:21 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>>  Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more 
>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice over 
>> is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2 Steel 42MM 
>> watch in this example.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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RE: The macOS 10.12.6 update

[Matthew Dyer]

Chris,

Give it some time.  I didn't see it lastnight when I looked, but when I woke up 
this morning, I had found that the mac os update had installed and all I had to 
do was sign into my account and I was all set.

Mathew



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On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:11 PM
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Subject: The macOS 10.12.6 update

Evening everyone.

Has anyone seen this? I am currently updating my own late 2011 Macbook Pro to 
the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no updates on 
her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be necessary? Or is 
it best to try again in a few days.

Please advise. Thanks.


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Re: macOS Sierra

[E.T.]

   Download the macos sierra installer from the app store. Download an 
app called Install Disk Creator and build your USB installer. Or you can 
use Terminal to do it but this app makes it painless. Then you boot from 
the installer.


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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 7/20/2017 3:36 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone know if it is still possible to create a USB recovery drive?  I 
tried recovery disk assistant but evrytime I open it I get recovery disk 
assistante has no windows.  I get no farther than that.  Thanks.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: macOS Sierra

Hello, look for macOS Sierra and it should be one of the results, if not the 
top one.

On 20 Jul 2017, at 01:56, E.T.  wrote:

  Before I do the update, I want to download the installer from the app store. 
I must be looking in the wrong place so could someone point me to the correct 
location? Thanks.

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RE: macOS Sierra

[Matthew Dyer]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if it is still possible to create a USB recovery drive?  I 
tried recovery disk assistant but evrytime I open it I get recovery disk 
assistante has no windows.  I get no farther than that.  Thanks.

Matthew



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Hello, look for macOS Sierra and it should be one of the results, if not the 
top one.
> On 20 Jul 2017, at 01:56, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Before I do the update, I want to download the installer from the app 
> store. I must be looking in the wrong place so could someone point me to the 
> correct location? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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Index Embosser, the DV5.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

Last year, there was a conversation about embossers that work with Macs.

Yesterday I went to Sight village which is an exhibition held in the UK each 
year where companies and other interested parties show off new products and you 
can go there and touch the latest technologies which may benefit the visually 
impaired community.

Whilst there, I purchased a portable stand alone scanner from Freedom 
Scientific called the Eye Pal.  I could not believe how small it was, just like 
a ten inch TV.  Of course it had the in built voice and it didn't matter which 
way you put the page in front of it.  I was blown away by its compactness.

Then when I got to the Index Embossers, I was told the new DV5 would work on 
your Mac and I phone.  Wifi and Bluetooth.

The price which I got was out of this world for an Braille embosser.

So I'm looking forward to it now!

Kawal.

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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Michael Marshall]

i do use Fusion but god there is a lag sometimes.

> On 21 Jul 2017, at 6:53 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You cann use Virtual Box but your best bet is to go Fusion.
> I have VirtualBOx here but have not figured out how to add several hardware 
> to my linux machine.
> So it still complains about no space on harddisk.
> /A
>> 20 juli 2017 kl. 12:47 skrev Michael Marshall :
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
 parallel.
 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
> sync it to both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>> of parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>> friendly as fusion,
>>> 
>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when 
>>> you need to access windows.
>>> 
>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a 
>>> time,
>>> 
>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because 
>>> I have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run 
>>> a virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with 
>>> Voiceover and easiest to use?
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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Oh, i haven’t used my watch in a year now.
Its a series 1 watch so i might just let it be.
I don’t use the iphone much since i went over to android but we’ll see what 
happens.
There still are some issues with android and therefore i might jump back to Ios.
/A
> 20 juli 2017 kl. 16:21 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
>   Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more 
> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice over 
> is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2 Steel 42MM 
> watch in this example.
> 
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You cann use Virtual Box but your best bet is to go Fusion.
I have VirtualBOx here but have not figured out how to add several hardware to 
my linux machine.
So it still complains about no space on harddisk.
/A
> 20 juli 2017 kl. 12:47 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time 
> i tested.
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
>> works fine.
>> 
>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
>> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
>> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
>> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you 
>> will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
>> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
>> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine 
>> to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
>> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>> parallel.
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
 
 If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
 documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
 run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
 it to both?
 
 I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
 
 Thanks
 
 Nickus 
> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
> 
> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
> of parallelization software.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  
>> 
>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>> 
>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>> friendly as fusion,
>> 
>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>> need to access windows.
>> 
>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>> 
>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>> 
>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>> and easiest to use?
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Re: How to hover over something

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can use any standard voiceover commands in cleanmymac.
/A
> 19 juli 2017 kl. 23:57 skrev Sharon Hooley :
> 
> So, what   commands do you use?  I’m not very familiar with all the mouse 
> controls, if that’s how you do it.
> 
> thanks again,
> 
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>>  I don't know, but I use standard Voiceover commands in this app.
>> 
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>>> 
>>> I downloaded and installed Clean my Mac 3.  I want to do a clean-up and get 
>>> rid of that download manager app.  the instruction says to hover over 
>>> whatever I want to work with.  How do you hover on a Mac Book Air with 
>>> Sierra?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: The macOS 10.12.6 update

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi glad you are not the only one then.

> On 20 Jul 2017, at 21:35, Harry Bell  wrote:
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> I tried repeatedly on my 2009 MacBook over a couple of hours and eventually 
> the update came through. 
> Harry
> 
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>> Evening everyone.
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this? I am currently updating my own late 2011 Macbook Pro 
>> to the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no 
>> updates on her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be 
>> necessary? Or is it best to try again in a few days.
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Re: The macOS 10.12.6 update

[Harry Bell]

I tried repeatedly on my 2009 MacBook over a couple of hours and eventually the 
update came through. 
Harry

> On 20 Jul 2017, at 21:11, christopher hallsworth  
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> Evening everyone.
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> the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no updates 
> on her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be necessary? 
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The macOS 10.12.6 update

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

Has anyone seen this? I am currently updating my own late 2011 Macbook Pro to 
the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no updates on 
her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be necessary? Or is 
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Re: macOS Sierra

[E.T.]

   This only works when there are no other instances of the file 
anywhere in trash or on any connected drives. I keep forgetting this.


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On 7/20/2017 11:39 AM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hello, look for macOS Sierra and it should be one of the results, if not the 
top one.

On 20 Jul 2017, at 01:56, E.T.  wrote:

  Before I do the update, I want to download the installer from the app store. 
I must be looking in the wrong place so could someone point me to the correct 
location? Thanks.

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Re: macOS Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, look for macOS Sierra and it should be one of the results, if not the 
top one.
> On 20 Jul 2017, at 01:56, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Before I do the update, I want to download the installer from the app 
> store. I must be looking in the wrong place so could someone point me to the 
> correct location? Thanks.
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Re: : Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

[Brian Moore]

suspect you have to come here. I sent a request at 5:30 this morning and 
heard nothing yet.


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On 07/20/2017 12:33 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote:

Hi, Do you have to live in Toronto to participate?

God bless.
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On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:21, Karen Lewellen > wrote:


Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare


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Subject: [Torshout] FW: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to 
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   C I B C usability testing




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Inclusive Design Community >
Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to 
help with C I B C usability testing


C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone 
Voiceover users to participate in one-on- one usability testing.

• Payment: $150 in cash
• Duration: 1 hour
• Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 • Location: Dundas and 
Yonge. Easily accessible via subway


The potential participants need to have some basic experience with 
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Thank you and please help spread the word.


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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Scott Davert]

I'm not even going to put 4.0 on my original Apple Watch, it will
probably be rediculously slow. I also don't think I'll be getting an
updated watch, this one does what I need well enough. I'm not a
swimmer, so not sure it would be worth it.

Scott

On 7/20/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I’m not seeing as big a difference, though admittedly I do see a tad more
> responsiveness but I’m running an Original which is getting progressively
> slower and slower.
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>
>> this is great to hear, Scott, as I haven't yet updated.  Will get on that
>> today.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.
>>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more
>>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice
>>> over is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2
>>> Steel 42MM watch in this example.
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Re: : Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

I actually doubt it, but I imagine you must bank with them?
Contact them and ask perhaps?
Kare


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Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare


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Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C 
I B C usability testing

C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover users to 
participate in one-on- one usability testing.
??? Payment: $150 in cash
??? Duration: 1 hour
??? Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 ??? Location: Dundas and Yonge. 
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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m not seeing as big a difference, though admittedly I do see a tad more 
responsiveness but I’m running an Original which is getting progressively 
slower and slower. 
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> this is great to hear, Scott, as I haven't yet updated.  Will get on that 
> today.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>>  Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
>> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more 
>> predictable and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice over 
>> is active.  Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2 Steel 42MM 
>> watch in this example.
>> 
>> Thanks
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Re: How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Donna Goodin]

this is great to hear, Scott, as I haven't yet updated.  Will get on that today.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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>   Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
> The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more 
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Re: : Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

[Erik Burggraaf]

It's prettyy clllear yuhae   tooo gggo   there.  
Whether the compensation is worth the travel cost I guess would be up to you.


Best,

Erik


On July 20, 2017 12:33:29 PM Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Hi, Do you have to live in Toronto to participate?

God bless.
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On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:27:58 +
Subject: [Torshout] FW: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with
   C I B C usability testing




-Original Message-
From: community [mailto:community-boun...@lists.idrc.ocadu.ca] On Behalf Of 
Hong Zou

Sent: July 19, 2017 10:51 PM
To: jose.bonifa...@cibc.com; Inclusive Design Community 

Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help 
with C I B C usability testing


C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover 
users to participate in one-on- one usability testing.

• Payment: $150 in cash
• Duration: 1 hour
• Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 • Location: Dundas and Yonge. 
Easily accessible via subway


The potential participants need to have some basic experience with online 
banking or online shopping. Please contact Jose at jose.bonifa...@cibc.com 
or respond to this email for details.


Thank you and please help spread the word.


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MDes, Inclusive Design, OCAD University

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Re: : Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi, Do you have to live in Toronto to participate?

God bless.
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> Hi folks,
> One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
> Kare
> 
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> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:27:58 +
> Subject: [Torshout] FW: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help 
> with
>C I B C usability testing
> 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: July 19, 2017 10:51 PM
> To: jose.bonifa...@cibc.com; Inclusive Design Community 
> 
> Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with 
> C I B C usability testing
> 
> C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover users 
> to participate in one-on- one usability testing.
> • Payment: $150 in cash
> • Duration: 1 hour
> • Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 • Location: Dundas and Yonge. 
> Easily accessible via subway
> 
> The potential participants need to have some basic experience with online 
> banking or online shopping. Please contact Jose at jose.bonifa...@cibc.com or 
> respond to this email for details.
> 
> Thank you and please help spread the word.
> 
> 
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: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C I B C usability testing (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
One for the Canadians here.  Please share this if you can.
Kare


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:27:58 +
Subject: [Torshout] FW: Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with
C I B C usability testing




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From: community [mailto:community-boun...@lists.idrc.ocadu.ca] On Behalf Of 
Hong Zou
Sent: July 19, 2017 10:51 PM
To: jose.bonifa...@cibc.com; Inclusive Design Community 

Subject: [community] Looking for visually impaired iPhone users to help with C 
I B C usability testing

C I B C is looking for experienced, visually impaired iPhone Voiceover users to 
participate in one-on- one usability testing.
• Payment: $150 in cash
• Duration: 1 hour
• Date: Between August 14 and August 18, 2017 • Location: Dundas and Yonge. 
Easily accessible via subway

The potential participants need to have some basic experience with online 
banking or online shopping. Please contact Jose at jose.bonifa...@cibc.com or 
respond to this email for details.

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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I was talking to a windows user.  He brought up a good point.  There is a 
difference between something being accessible and usable.  Usable, they can use 
the functions on a computer that they want not necessarily every single feature 
on the computer.  Accessible, they want to be able to use or, in our case, 
access every feature. This was mentioned because I have no problem accessing an 
app.  Whereas another blind person does. It is an app that tells you gas prices 
and where the cheapest gas is, in the town you are in or going too.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: July 20, 2017 7:10 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

I’ve been able to copy and move images between machines since VM Fusion version 
3, we’re on 8.5.8 now I believe and it’s worked consistently on all the 
in-between versions.

This is the case for any virtualization software.  There can be issues though 
Phil is correct but if you do it carefully things should work fine.



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
 parallel.
 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
> sync it to both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>> of parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>> friendly as fusion,
>>> 

How about that Watch OS 3.2.3 update?

[Scott Granados]

Wondering if anyone else found the Watch OS update as good as I did.  
The watch seems far more responsive, screen sensitivity seems more predictable 
and there’s an over all snap in the platform now when voice over is active.  
Big improvement.  I’m specifically using a series 2 Steel 42MM watch in this 
example.

Thanks

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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

I’ve been able to copy and move images between machines since VM Fusion version 
3, we’re on 8.5.8 now I believe and it’s worked consistently on all the 
in-between versions.

This is the case for any virtualization software.  There can be issues though 
Phil is correct but if you do it carefully things should work fine.



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
 parallel.
 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
> sync it to both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>> of parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>> friendly as fusion,
>>> 
>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when 
>>> you need to access windows.
>>> 
>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a 
>>> time,
>>> 
>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because 
>>> I have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will 

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Phil Halton]

Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking about 
VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but when I try 
to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all of the 
software.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time 
> i tested.
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
>> works fine.
>> 
>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
>> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
>> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
>> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you 
>> will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
>> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
>> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine 
>> to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
>> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>> parallel.
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
 
 If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
 documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
 run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
 it to both?
 
 I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
 
 Thanks
 
 Nickus 
> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
> 
> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
> of parallelization software.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  
>> 
>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>> 
>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>> friendly as fusion,
>> 
>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>> need to access windows.
>> 
>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>> 
>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>> 
>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>> and easiest to use?
>> 
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Re: How to hover over something

[Phil Halton]

In the cited world, to hover means to position the mouse over something. So, I 
would imagine that in voiceover you would bring the mouse to the current 
VoiceOver position, After first moving VoiceOver to the desired object, with  
command vo and F5. This will place the mouse pointer on the same object that 
voiceover is located at and essentially "Hover "the mouse there.  
Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 19, 2017, at 6:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   No, just the usual navigation commands. VO left and right, interacting with 
> tables, etc.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/19/2017 2:57 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> So, what   commands do you use?  I’m not very familiar with all the mouse 
>> controls, if that’s how you do it.
>> 
>> thanks again,
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I don't know, but I use standard Voiceover commands in this app.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/19/2017 1:46 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I downloaded and installed Clean my Mac 3.  I want to do a clean-up and 
 get rid of that download manager app.  the instruction says to hover over 
 whatever I want to work with.  How do you hover on a Mac Book Air with 
 Sierra?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Michael Marshall]

is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time i 
tested.

> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
> works fine.
> 
> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will 
> get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud 
> storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine to 
> exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>> parallel.
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
>>> it to both?
>>> 
>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Nickus 
 On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
 
 +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
 idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
 parallelization software.
 
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi  
> 
> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
> 
> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly 
> as fusion,
> 
> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
> need to access windows.
> 
> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
> 
> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
> 
> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
> and easiest to use?
> 
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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Simon Fogarty]

But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
works fine.

 I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the licensed 
software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license for the 
operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office 
suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I 
am aware of is through the import process. When first opening the virtual 
machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want to move or 
copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred over and will 
 only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will get just that, 
a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine without relicensing. 
Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And 
I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. 
In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine 
folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM 
off onto a storage disk

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
> parallel.
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run 
>> the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to 
>> both?
>> 
>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Nickus 
>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>>> 
>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
>>> parallelization software.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi  
 
 The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
 
 If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
 I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
 fusion,
 
 Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
 need to access windows.
 
 The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
 
 With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
 the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
 Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
 
 Hi all
 I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
 have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
 virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
 
 Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
 and easiest to use?
 
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