Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

For the benefit of listers who missed it, below you will find the web site 
where the instructions came from.

Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician




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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

Don’t know where that idea evolved. I have not gotten it even close. The 
instructions I sent out were copied from the web site that E.T. suggested. I 
was simply showing him what I was wable to read on the screen, and the mystery 
text contained in an image file (.PGN) I had to use OCR to render. It is 
clearly not exactly correct, since the resolution of the image file was pretty 
poor.

I’m open to suggestions from anyone else who can go to that web page and figure 
out all the steps.


Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave,
Since it's working for you,
Can you send us a copy of your WorkFlow file?
Here is how to find it.
1. press shift+Command+G
2. paste or type the following in to the edit field.
~/Library/services
3. press enter  Now open the Library and copy the Type the date file.
Thanks,
Rob



> On Sep 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> E.T.,
> 
> I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the “user 
> uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that “stuff” in the 
> middle make sense?
> 
> Hahaha... it works!!!
> 
> Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
> 1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
> 2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:
> 
> Workflow receives
> Input is   entire selection 
> Image
> Color
> jos   a Output replaces selected text
> in
> k Run AppleScript •
> on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
> set thedate to (curren   ) as
> tell application "System Events"
> keystroke thed
> end tell
> end --
> 3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
> 4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the "type the 
> date" service, and add a shortcut. I used "command-control-option-D", again 
> you can use anything you like.
> 
> That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first time, a 
> dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control Automator. I allowed. 
> It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and time.
> You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the 
> first time only.
> 
> You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your computer" 
> in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.
> If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac

[lenron brown]

I am really excited about this. I need a new phone I am thinking, so
next year if I get what I want in an Iphone I will get one. I love
touch id and I refuse to give it up.

On 9/6/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce
> Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the
> following article interesting.
>
> Mark.
>
> In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead
> By Ben Lovejoy
>
> In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year,
> according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that
> both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the
> case for long.
>
> The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when
> Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the
> fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013.
>
> With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the
> future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and
> more
> secure than Touch ID.
> Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most
> sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure
> Enclave
> and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever
> in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use.
>
> Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure
> than Touch ID.
> Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two
> separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID.
> The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled
> finger.
>
> The probability that a random person in the population could look at your
> iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1
> million with a single enrolled appearance.
>
> Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never
> go back. That's certainly true for me.
>
> But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one.
> There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than
> Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't
> upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices.
>
> Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of
> the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authentication in
> future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. In-screen Touch ID would
> enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need for a Home button.
>
> Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID
> fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according to a
> report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an addition to the
> existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, allowing users to
> authenticate with either fingerprint or face biometrics [.]
>
> Offering both Touch ID and Face ID would increase overall convenience and
> speed of unlocking the iPhone. A user would register their fingerprints and
> facial signature, and the phone can unlock as soon as either recognition
> succeeds. This means Touch ID can make up for Face ID's weaknesses, and
> vice
> versa.
>
> The problem may come in the future, however. Once In-screen Touch ID proves
> reliable, the temptation for Apple to lose the notch by dropping Face ID
> may
> prove irresistible.
>
> Losing the notch, to effectively give an all-screen design, would create a
> similar wow factor to that of the iPhone X when it launched. Jony Ive may
> have bowed out, but his "single slab of glass" vision for the iPhone likely
> lives on within the design team.
> Apple already has form for prioritizing form over function in this way. The
> company has long aimed to make iPhones as slim as possible, even though
> many
> of us would prefer a slightly thicker phone with better battery life and no
> camera bump.
>
> Could Apple do both, and embed Face ID tech beneath the display too?
> Long-term, anything is possible. One Android manufacturer has already
> demonstrated an under-screen camera. But that's just a proof of concept at
> this stage, and Apple would also need to embed the IR emitter and dot
> projector too before we could have under-display Face ID. That's not
> something that's going to happen anytime soon.
>
> There is, then, a risk that Apple will at some point prioritize design over
> performance by dropping Face ID in favor of the clean look of an iPhone
> that
> offers only embedded Touch ID. That, to me, would be a huge shame.
>
> I love Face ID. The beauty of it is that you get strong authentication that
> is almost invisible. I pick up my phone, and it's unlocked. I open my
> banking app, and a second or so later, I'm looking at my bank balance. They
> say the best user interfaces are invisible, and 

Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[David G. Carlson via iPhone]

What you saw is what I saw.

Dave
Woodworker, engineer, musician, Oregonian, and pioneer


On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:09 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,
Did the email program add or delete some words or punctuation?
This did not work for me, the script had errors.
And why is the word “image” there?
Thanks,


> On Sep 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> E.T.,
> 
> I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the “user 
> uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that “stuff” in the 
> middle make sense?
> 
> Hahaha... it works!!!
> 
> Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
> 1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
> 2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:
> 
> Workflow receives
> Input is   entire selection 
> Image
> Color
> jos   a Output replaces selected text
> in
> k Run AppleScript •
> on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
> set thedate to (curren   ) as
> tell application "System Events"
> keystroke thed
> end tell
> end --
> 3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
> 4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the "type the 
> date" service, and add a shortcut. I used "command-control-option-D", again 
> you can use anything you like.
> 
> That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first time, a 
> dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control Automator. I allowed. 
> It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and time.
> You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the 
> first time only.
> 
> You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your computer" 
> in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.
> If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I did not spend enough time looking at this but got stuck on where 
or how to add the "Run Applescript" action.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/6/2019 6:09 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Did the email program add or delete some words or punctuation?
This did not work for me, the script had errors.
And why is the word “image” there?
Thanks,


On Sep 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Dave Carlson > wrote:


E.T.,

I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the 
“user uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that 
“stuff” in the middle make sense?


Hahaha... it works!!!

Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:

Workflow receives
Input is   entire selection
Image
Color
jos   a Output replaces selected text
in
k Run AppleScript •
on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
set thedate to (curren   ) as
tell application "System Events"
keystroke thed
end tell
end --
3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you 
like.
4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the 
"type the date" service, and add a shortcut. I used 
"command-control-option-D", again you can use anything you like.


That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first 
time, a dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control 
Automator. I allowed.
It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date 
and time.
You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for 
the first time only.


You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your 
computer" in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.

If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.


Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer






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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Did the email program add or delete some words or punctuation?
This did not work for me, the script had errors.
And why is the word “image” there?
Thanks,


> On Sep 6, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> E.T.,
> 
> I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the “user 
> uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that “stuff” in the 
> middle make sense?
> 
> Hahaha... it works!!!
> 
> Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
> 1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
> 2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:
> 
> Workflow receives
> Input is   entire selection 
> Image
> Color
> jos   a Output replaces selected text
> in
> k Run AppleScript •
> on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
> set thedate to (curren   ) as
> tell application "System Events"
> keystroke thed
> end tell
> end --
> 3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
> 4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the "type the 
> date" service, and add a shortcut. I used "command-control-option-D", again 
> you can use anything you like.
> 
> That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first time, a 
> dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control Automator. I allowed. 
> It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and time.
> You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the 
> first time only.
> 
> You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your computer" 
> in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.
> If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead, 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

As I am one of those insane people who is waiting for Apple to re-introduce
Touch-ID back into the iPhone, before purchasing a new model, I found the
following article interesting.

Mark.

In-screen Touch ID potentially signals a backward step ahead
By Ben Lovejoy 
 
In-screen Touch ID could be appearing in iPhones as early as next year,
according to a new report today. But while the current report suggests that
both Touch ID and Face ID fans will be catered for, that may not remain the
case for long.

The debate between the respective fans of Touch ID and Face ID began when
Apple launched the iPhone X, the first iPhone to be launched without the
fingerprint reader since it made its debut on the iPhone 5 S in 2013.

With the iPhone X launch, Apple seemed pretty clear that Face ID was the
future of iPhone authentication. It is, says Apple, faster, easier, and more
secure than Touch ID.
Face ID reinvented the way we unlock, log in, and pay. Some of our most
sophisticated technologies - the TrueDepth camera system, the Secure Enclave
and the Neural Engine - make it the most secure facial authentication ever
in a smart-phone. And even faster and easier to use.

Close family members aside, Apple says that Face ID is 20 times more secure
than Touch ID.
Every fingerprint is unique, so it's rare that even a small section of two
separate fingerprints are alike enough to register as a match for Touch ID.
The probability of this happening is 1 in 50,000 with a single, enrolled
finger.

The probability that a random person in the population could look at your
iPhone or iPad Pro and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1
million with a single enrolled appearance.

Most owners of iPhone X/XS and latest iPad Pro devices say they would never
go back. That's certainly true for me.

But while that appears to be the consensus view, it's not a universal one.
There are owners of Face ID devices who say they find it less reliable than
Touch ID, and there are owners of Touch ID devices who claim they won't
upgrade until Touch ID is available on newer devices.

Today's report says that Apple is aiming to please all of the people all of
the time, with plans to offer both forms of biometric authentication in
future iPhones, starting in either 2020 or 2021. In-screen Touch ID would
enable Apple to bring back Touch ID without the need for a Home button.

Apple is apparently readying a new under-display integrated Touch ID
fingerprint sensor "as early as its 2020 iPhones" next fall, according to a
report today from Bloomberg. The report says it would be an addition to the
existing Face ID authentication and unlock system, allowing users to
authenticate with either fingerprint or face biometrics [.]

Offering both Touch ID and Face ID would increase overall convenience and
speed of unlocking the iPhone. A user would register their fingerprints and
facial signature, and the phone can unlock as soon as either recognition
succeeds. This means Touch ID can make up for Face ID's weaknesses, and vice
versa.

The problem may come in the future, however. Once In-screen Touch ID proves
reliable, the temptation for Apple to lose the notch by dropping Face ID may
prove irresistible.

Losing the notch, to effectively give an all-screen design, would create a
similar wow factor to that of the iPhone X when it launched. Jony Ive may
have bowed out, but his "single slab of glass" vision for the iPhone likely
lives on within the design team.
Apple already has form for prioritizing form over function in this way. The
company has long aimed to make iPhones as slim as possible, even though many
of us would prefer a slightly thicker phone with better battery life and no
camera bump.

Could Apple do both, and embed Face ID tech beneath the display too?
Long-term, anything is possible. One Android manufacturer has already
demonstrated an under-screen camera. But that's just a proof of concept at
this stage, and Apple would also need to embed the IR emitter and dot
projector too before we could have under-display Face ID. That's not
something that's going to happen anytime soon.

There is, then, a risk that Apple will at some point prioritize design over
performance by dropping Face ID in favor of the clean look of an iPhone that
offers only embedded Touch ID. That, to me, would be a huge shame.

I love Face ID. The beauty of it is that you get strong authentication that
is almost invisible. I pick up my phone, and it's unlocked. I open my
banking app, and a second or so later, I'm looking at my bank balance. They
say the best user interfaces are invisible, and that to me is very nearly
true of Face ID. Having to touch a finger to a device now feels clunky in
comparison.

If Apple supplements Face ID with embedded Touch ID, I'm all in favor. But
if it later drops Face ID to get a sleeker design - as I fear it might -
that would to me be a backward step. I hope I'm wrong.

What's your view? Would you be willing to sacrifice Face ID to 

Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Oh ok. Does that thing work?

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On 9/6/2019 1:07 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

E.T.,

I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the 
“user uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that 
“stuff” in the middle make sense?


Hahaha... it works!!!

Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:

Workflow receives
Input is   entire selection
Image
Color
jos   a Output replaces selected text
in
k Run AppleScript •
on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
set thedate to (curren   ) as
tell application "System Events"
keystroke thed
end tell
end --
3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the 
"type the date" service, and add a shortcut. I used 
"command-control-option-D", again you can use anything you like.


That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first 
time, a dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control 
Automator. I allowed.
It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and 
time.
You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the 
first time only.


You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your 
computer" in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.

If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.


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Re: notifications on my Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

none would suit me just fine. how do I get to it?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you can do some adjusting of what shows up as a dialog versus just 
> showing up in Notification center. I was looking at the options for All day 
> event notifications in my Calendar app (preferences / alerts) and only saw 
> options for none, 1 day before at 9AM or two days before at 9 AM. (Well there 
> were other day counts but no place to adjust the time of the alert).
> 
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> oh yeah. at Holiday times it tells me that the next day will be such and 
>> such a Holiday. or sometimes it says stuff like: "Mac updates have been 
>> installed."
>> My Youtube Channel:
>> "www.youtube.com/loriemccloud   
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any idea what the notification is saying? 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 almost every evening at 11:00 pm I get a notification of some sort on my 
 Mac. I don't know how this got started or why it's at 11:00 pm. is there a 
 way to turn it off?
 
 thanks.
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.,

I pulled in the PNG file to do OCR, and inserted the result where the “user 
uploaded file” was found. Here’s the total answer. Dows that “stuff” in the 
middle make sense?

Hahaha... it works!!!

Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:

Workflow receives
Input is   entire selection 
Image
Color
jos   a Output replaces selected text
in
k Run AppleScript •
on run {t1 IpuL, paran   }
set thedate to (curren   ) as
tell application "System Events"
keystroke thed
end tell
end --
3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the "type the 
date" service, and add a shortcut. I used "command-control-option-D", again you 
can use anything you like.

That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first time, a 
dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control Automator. I allowed. 
It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and time.
You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the first 
time only.

You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your computer" 
in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.
If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.


Dave Carlson
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.,
Yes, I was able to find the reply/solution. But part of it was an image user 
uploaded file that was in PNG format? Here’s the text I copied from the web 
site, along with the additional note they added later…

Hahaha... it works!!!

Here it is. All it takes is a single Action, to run a little Applescript.
1) In Automator, create a new "Quick Action".
2) Add a single "Run Applescript" action, like this:
User uploaded file
3) Save it - I called it "type the date", you can call it whatever you like.
4) In System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Services, locate the "type the 
date" service, and add a shortcut. I used "command-control-option-D", again you 
can use anything you like.

That's it. I switched to Mail, pressed the shortcut. The very first time, a 
dialog appeared telling me that Mail wanted to control Automator. I allowed. 
It just works. Type command-control-option-D, and it types the date and time.
You will get the same dialog when you use it with an application for the first 
time only.

You also need to have any such application allowed to "control your computer" 
in System Preferences->Security & Privacy->Accessibility.
If not, you will get a "... is not allowed to send keystrokes" alert.


Dave Carlson
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   No. Do this. Load the page, interact, turn on QuickNav, press h 
until you hear "all replies". You don;t need to read the question so can 
skip to the replies. Now this is what I find works. Turn QN off and vo 
right arrow to the text area.


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On 9/6/2019 9:13 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

E.T.,
Thanks for the additional. But I think the essential information is 
contained in the embedded image upload to that set of instructions? I 
tried OCR on it, but it was poor resolution and did not render into 
something that I could understand. It sounded like a set of script 
instructions to insert the time/date.


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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.,
Thanks for the additional. But I think the essential information is contained 
in the embedded image upload to that set of instructions? I tried OCR on it, 
but it was poor resolution and did not render into something that I could 
understand. It sounded like a set of script instructions to insert the 
time/date.

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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   This may be the solution.



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On 9/6/2019 8:26 AM, David G. Carlson via iPhone wrote:

Same result for me

Dave
Woodworker, engineer, musician, Oregonian, and pioneer


On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:20 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:

I followed the link and attempted to complete the instructions. I didn’t know 
that service was there. Well it isn’t they are on my Mac. I’m wondering if it 
depends on the version of macOS one has. I’m using Mojave. Here are the 
instructions from that site.

To enable this service open System Preferences. Select the keyboard option, and then 
“Keyboard Shortcuts” from the tab options. Within the left hand options select “Services”. 
Within the list that appears in the right hand box select “Long Date”, “Long Date & 
Time”, “Short Date”, “Short Date & Time” or “Time”. You can add and remove as many as 
you want. When you select the options they will appear in [App] > Services menu, if the 
application supports the function.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2019, at 08:24, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Try this:
http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2012/04/insert-the-date-and-time-with-a-keyboard-shortcut.html


On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

I was always using the Ctrl+F5 keystroke in Windows Notepad to insert the date 
and time quickly and easily. How can this be accomplished in OSx?

Dave Carlson
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[David G. Carlson via iPhone]

Same result for me 

Dave
Woodworker, engineer, musician, Oregonian, and pioneer


On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:20 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:

I followed the link and attempted to complete the instructions. I didn’t know 
that service was there. Well it isn’t they are on my Mac. I’m wondering if it 
depends on the version of macOS one has. I’m using Mojave. Here are the 
instructions from that site.

To enable this service open System Preferences. Select the keyboard option, and 
then “Keyboard Shortcuts” from the tab options. Within the left hand options 
select “Services”. Within the list that appears in the right hand box select 
“Long Date”, “Long Date & Time”, “Short Date”, “Short Date & Time” or “Time”. 
You can add and remove as many as you want. When you select the options they 
will appear in [App] > Services menu, if the application supports the function.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 08:24, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> Try this:
> http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2012/04/insert-the-date-and-time-with-a-keyboard-shortcut.html
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> I was always using the Ctrl+F5 keystroke in Windows Notepad to insert the 
>> date and time quickly and easily. How can this be accomplished in OSx?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

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   I did not see those items either under Mojave.

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On 9/6/2019 8:20 AM, John JD Denning wrote:

I followed the link and attempted to complete the instructions. I didn’t know 
that service was there. Well it isn’t they are on my Mac. I’m wondering if it 
depends on the version of macOS one has. I’m using Mojave. Here are the 
instructions from that site.

To enable this service open System Preferences. Select the keyboard option, and then 
“Keyboard Shortcuts” from the tab options. Within the left hand options select “Services”. 
Within the list that appears in the right hand box select “Long Date”, “Long Date & 
Time”, “Short Date”, “Short Date & Time” or “Time”. You can add and remove as many as 
you want. When you select the options they will appear in [App] > Services menu, if the 
application supports the function.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 6, 2019, at 08:24, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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Try this:
http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2012/04/insert-the-date-and-time-with-a-keyboard-shortcut.html


On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

I was always using the Ctrl+F5 keystroke in Windows Notepad to insert the date 
and time quickly and easily. How can this be accomplished in OSx?

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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

[John JD Denning]

I followed the link and attempted to complete the instructions. I didn’t know 
that service was there. Well it isn’t they are on my Mac. I’m wondering if it 
depends on the version of macOS one has. I’m using Mojave. Here are the 
instructions from that site.

To enable this service open System Preferences. Select the keyboard option, and 
then “Keyboard Shortcuts” from the tab options. Within the left hand options 
select “Services”. Within the list that appears in the right hand box select 
“Long Date”, “Long Date & Time”, “Short Date”, “Short Date & Time” or “Time”. 
You can add and remove as many as you want. When you select the options they 
will appear in [App] > Services menu, if the application supports the function.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Try this:
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>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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>> I was always using the Ctrl+F5 keystroke in Windows Notepad to insert the 
>> date and time quickly and easily. How can this be accomplished in OSx?
>> 
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Re: notifications on my Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, you can do some adjusting of what shows up as a dialog versus just showing 
up in Notification center. I was looking at the options for All day event 
notifications in my Calendar app (preferences / alerts) and only saw options 
for none, 1 day before at 9AM or two days before at 9 AM. (Well there were 
other day counts but no place to adjust the time of the alert).


> On Sep 5, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> oh yeah. at Holiday times it tells me that the next day will be such and such 
> a Holiday. or sometimes it says stuff like: "Mac updates have been installed."
> My Youtube Channel:
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>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
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>> Any idea what the notification is saying? 
>>  Best wishes,
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>> Jonathan Cohn
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>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
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>>> almost every evening at 11:00 pm I get a notification of some sort on my 
>>> Mac. I don't know how this got started or why it's at 11:00 pm. is there a 
>>> way to turn it off?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: Beginners question

[Jonathan Cohn]

This is not a hardware dependent change, but a OS one. It might have come out 
about the same time as the Touch Bar  machines but I certainly need to use the 
all modifiers when adjusting Voice Parameters.

> On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:50 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> From memory I think the shift key only got included with the touch bar 
> machines.
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
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> Subject: Re: Beginners question
>  
> Interesting, I just did a web search for customising Voice over and it came 
> up  with the Apple tutorial chapter 9 and it gives the key stroke for 
> changing the voice  parameter as VO command, they haven’t updated it to 
> include the shift key. 
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> On 6/09/2019, at 1:09 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dave,
>  
> It's all a matter of priority and preference.  Yes, it worked in the past, 
> and yes, it still works.  It just is a slightly different key combination.  
> Making the rotor less key strokes, from their research, probably affected 
> more people and would make more aspects of VO easily manipulated.  Changing 
> the voice parameters is less often necessary, whereas, changing the rotor is 
> more commonly done.
>  
> Later...
>  
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> On Sep 4, 2019, at 21:03, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
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> Aha. That makes all the difference. Drat to Apple for changing something that 
> worked just fine in the past.
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Re: Update to need to refresh voiceover often on iOS

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I have been using the enhanced Alex voice forever and have 
notexperienced the problem. Perhaps removing the enhanced version then 
redownloading it may help?


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Sent from my IPhone
Well, I switched to the Siri male voice from the Alex voice for a period of one 
week and never once got the problem of voiceover going silent and needing to be 
refreshed. Then after one week I went back to Alex, it ran fine for about two 
days and then twice in the same day I got the problem of voiceover going silent 
and needing to be restarted. So my conclusion is it’s the problem in the Alex 
voice. It’s unfortunate because it’s a great Voice to use. The Siri male voice 
is fine, but it has a few lag issues which is surprising. Too bad, it’s so long 
to Alex and Siri mail will have to do now.



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Update to need to refresh voiceover often on iOS

[Phil Halton]

Sent from my IPhone
Well, I switched to the Siri male voice from the Alex voice for a period of one 
week and never once got the problem of voiceover going silent and needing to be 
refreshed. Then after one week I went back to Alex, it ran fine for about two 
days and then twice in the same day I got the problem of voiceover going silent 
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is fine, but it has a few lag issues which is surprising. Too bad, it’s so long 
to Alex and Siri mail will have to do now.

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Re: Numpad commanderr

[dan d.]

A commander using numbers different from those on the main keyboard can be 
established with those on the numpad.

For an example, a commander using an option+ 3 on the main keyboard and an 
option + 3 on the numpad would do different things.

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I never understood what is the numpad commander? I will be grateful for a 
> detailed answer.
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> Take care,
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Re: Keystroke to Insert Time/Date into Mail, TextEdit, Pages, Numbers

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Try this:
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> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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Re: New Mac User

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

That would be me. To do this:
• When you open the Mail app, you should be in the Messages table.
• Interact with that table. You should then be on a message in that table
• Now, interact with that message. If you aren’t on one, Voiceover + Right 
arrow until you are.
• Now, you should hear “unread” or from whom the message is sent. Right arrow 
until you hear the subject spoken; it is passed the time it was sent.
• Now, you can just use Down Arrow to navigate between messages, Delete to 
delete them, (delete is where backspace is on other computers,) or Return to 
open it.
• Note also that you can navigate by sender, or even receive time if you want. 
I navigate by sender in the “Junk” folder, for example.

Hope this helps.

> On Sep 6, 2019, at 6:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
> subject spoken. Can this be explained?
> 
> Kristeen
> On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
> Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
> me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
> the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold 
> your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, 
> but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in 
> amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you 
> want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows 
> screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
> controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
> itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto 
> correct is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft 
> wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the 
> future, for general computing, until iPad takes place.  
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  > wrote:
> 
> Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
> your advice on this one. Thanks,
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Phil Halton <>
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
> getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual 
> book of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom 
> most entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
> appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Marie,
>>  
>> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
>> benefited from them.
>>  
>> Warmly,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> < <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
>> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
>> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
>> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
>> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
>> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
>> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
>> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>  
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
>> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
>> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
>> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
>> I have lots to learn for sure.
>> Marie
>>  
>>  
>> From: Petrus Tuerlings 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
>> To: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>>  
>> Hi Marie and others, 
>> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? 
>> I may have herd some of them 

Re: New Mac User

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Someone mentioned that you could simply go through mail hearing only the 
subject spoken. Can this be explained?

Kristeen
On Sep 2, 2019, at 9:30 PM, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used Windows, the 
Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is perfect, but for 
me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even dabbling in code, 
the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. VoiceOver can hold your 
hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just like the iPhone, but it 
would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver can be used in amazing 
ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing more if you want, making 
going through email an absolute joy compared to the Windows screen readers. 
Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single controls. One can know 
if an app launches in the background. With the Mac itself, you can have time 
announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct is a joy to use. All this 
could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it hasn't yet. So, for now, 
Mac is the operating system of the future, for general computing, until iPad 
takes place.  

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor



On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie" mailto:magpie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 
 
From: Phil Halton <>
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha < <>hemaka...@gmail.com 
> wrote:

> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> < <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To:  <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie < <>magpie...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others, 
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them. 
> Petrus 
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries < 
> <>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > 
> wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  
> I already know that the Mac is 

USB Hub for iPad Pro

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Lists,

Sorry but I'm cross posting this
A while back someone posted something about a USB-C hub that had been developed 
for the iPad Pro and expanding it's USB etc ports
I'm just wondering if this device is yet available and if it will work on IOS 
12.x for the iPad or will only work with the iPad OS when released next week

Thanks for any help anyone can flick me.

Simon F

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Re: Beginners question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Petrus,

Here’s a solution for you.
In VoiceOver Utility, go to Commanders and select Keyboard commander. This is 
the one that uses the righthand Option key. Click the Add button and press  a 
key that is not already used by the commander.
VO-Right Arrow once to the menu button, click it and press sp for speech, then 
right arrow and navigate down to decrease rate.
Press Return, then repeat the process for Increase rate.
The new commands will show up in the table.
Cheers,

Anne






> On 6 Sep 2019, at 04:29, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I just looked there and there was nothing about speaking rate, it was only 
> web related rotor options. 
> Thanks anyway, I was thinking of looking there.
> 
>> On 6/09/2019, at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> very quickly.
>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility vo-8 (though this isn’t working for me right now)
>> 2. Switch to web area command-5
>> 3. switch to the rotor tab.
>> 
>> You will get directions from there.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I had a look  but couldn’t work out how to add functions to the rotor?
>>> Thank you for any help,
>>> 
 On 6/09/2019, at 1:09 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Dave,
 
 It's all a matter of priority and preference.  Yes, it worked in the past, 
 and yes, it still works.  It just is a slightly different key combination. 
  Making the rotor less key strokes, from their research, probably affected 
 more people and would make more aspects of VO easily manipulated.  
 Changing the voice parameters is less often necessary, whereas, changing 
 the rotor is more commonly done.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Jamf Certified Associate
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 4, 2019, at 21:03, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Aha. That makes all the difference. Drat to Apple for changing something 
 that worked just fine in the past.
 
 Dave Carlson
 Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
 
 
 
 
 
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