Re: archive utility on a Mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m pretty sure that I’ve done this before with the stock Archive Utility.  It 
won’t hurt anything to try.  Select two zip files, then just press cmd-o to 
open them.  It should just do it.  The process may take a while depending on 
the size of the zip files, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 5, 2020, at 5:56 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> is it possible or advisable to select multiple files and then have the 
> archive utility unzip them all at once or is it best to do them individually? 
> would another app be better at that such as unzip unarchiver?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Facetime on a mac

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Hi,

On your iPhone, go into Settings, Phone, and double-tap on item that reads 
“Calls on other devices, When Nearby”.  A new screen should open and list the 
devices that you can enable/disable.  Make sure that the Mac is enabled.  It 
will read something like, “Marie’s Mac, On”.

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> On May 5, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, when I figure it out I will let you know.  In the meantime I am having 
> Siri call him on Facetime. I’m not sure what setting that would be.
> 
> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 10:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>    That shouldn’t have mattered. I have my phone and watch nearby and my 
>> Mac will also receive the FaceTime call. There has to be something off with 
>> a setting or a small piece to the puzzle missing. 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
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>>> On May 5, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I continue working on this without success. I’ll tell you what happened 
>>> this last time. I was sitting in front of my mac when the call came in nd 
>>> it rang on both my phone and my watch but did not ring on the mac. No 
>>> dialog box came up. I wondered if because I had my phone in my pocket and 
>>> my watch on my wrist if that might have had something to do with it?
>>> 
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 If you are receiving a call, the VoiceOver focus normally goes to the 
 dialog and you can use the VO arrows to find the, accept, button. If this 
 is not the case, you should be able to command tab to the window to 
 respond.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I heard the dialog box come up but it didn’t seem to have focus.  So once 
> it’s there then what do I do? Is there a keyboard command, or a way to 
> use the track pad?
> 
> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jason White  wrote:
>> 
>> There's a dialogue that prompts you to accept or decline the call. It 
>> should receive focus when the call comes in.
>> 
>>> On 4/25/20 4:06 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>>> I can’t figure out how to answer a Facetime call on my mac. Can anyone 
>>> instruct me?
>>> 
>>> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Facetime on a mac

[Marie Lyons]

Hmm, when I figure it out I will let you know.  In the meantime I am having 
Siri call him on Facetime. I’m not sure what setting that would be.

Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 10:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    That shouldn’t have mattered. I have my phone and watch nearby and my Mac 
> will also receive the FaceTime call. There has to be something off with a 
> setting or a small piece to the puzzle missing. 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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>> On May 5, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>> 
>> I continue working on this without success. I’ll tell you what happened this 
>> last time. I was sitting in front of my mac when the call came in nd it rang 
>> on both my phone and my watch but did not ring on the mac. No dialog box 
>> came up. I wondered if because I had my phone in my pocket and my watch on 
>> my wrist if that might have had something to do with it?
>> 
 On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you are receiving a call, the VoiceOver focus normally goes to the 
>>> dialog and you can use the VO arrows to find the, accept, button. If this 
>>> is not the case, you should be able to command tab to the window to respond.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
 
 I heard the dialog box come up but it didn’t seem to have focus.  So once 
 it’s there then what do I do? Is there a keyboard command, or a way to use 
 the track pad?
 
 Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jason White  wrote:
> 
> There's a dialogue that prompts you to accept or decline the call. It 
> should receive focus when the call comes in.
> 
>> On 4/25/20 4:06 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>> I can’t figure out how to answer a Facetime call on my mac. Can anyone 
>> instruct me?
>> 
>> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
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Re: Facetime on a mac

[John Panarese]

   That shouldn’t have mattered. I have my phone and watch nearby and my Mac 
will also receive the FaceTime call. There has to be something off with a 
setting or a small piece to the puzzle missing. 

Take Care

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> On May 5, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> I continue working on this without success. I’ll tell you what happened this 
> last time. I was sitting in front of my mac when the call came in nd it rang 
> on both my phone and my watch but did not ring on the mac. No dialog box came 
> up. I wondered if because I had my phone in my pocket and my watch on my 
> wrist if that might have had something to do with it?
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> If you are receiving a call, the VoiceOver focus normally goes to the dialog 
>> and you can use the VO arrows to find the, accept, button. If this is not 
>> the case, you should be able to command tab to the window to respond.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I heard the dialog box come up but it didn’t seem to have focus.  So once 
>>> it’s there then what do I do? Is there a keyboard command, or a way to use 
>>> the track pad?
>>> 
>>> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jason White  wrote:
 
 There's a dialogue that prompts you to accept or decline the call. It 
 should receive focus when the call comes in.
 
> On 4/25/20 4:06 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
> I can’t figure out how to answer a Facetime call on my mac. Can anyone 
> instruct me?
> 
> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Facetime on a mac

[Marie Lyons]

I continue working on this without success. I’ll tell you what happened this 
last time. I was sitting in front of my mac when the call came in nd it rang on 
both my phone and my watch but did not ring on the mac. No dialog box came up. 
I wondered if because I had my phone in my pocket and my watch on my wrist if 
that might have had something to do with it?

> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  If you are receiving a call, the VoiceOver focus normally goes to the dialog 
> and you can use the VO arrows to find the, accept, button. If this is not the 
> case, you should be able to command tab to the window to respond.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>> 
>> I heard the dialog box come up but it didn’t seem to have focus.  So once 
>> it’s there then what do I do? Is there a keyboard command, or a way to use 
>> the track pad?
>> 
>> Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jason White  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's a dialogue that prompts you to accept or decline the call. It 
>>> should receive focus when the call comes in.
>>> 
 On 4/25/20 4:06 PM, Marie Lyons wrote:
 I can’t figure out how to answer a Facetime call on my mac. Can anyone 
 instruct me?
 
 Marie LyonsSent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t help you with that as I don’t find it a bother at all. In fact I 
think it was rather thoughtful of Ramy to translate his name into English for 
our benefit. 

> On 6/05/2020, at 11:54, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
> Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
> VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no 
> good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X anymore.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
>> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
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>>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ramy,
>>> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, 
>>> at least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have 
>>> known that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have 
>>> read it. So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice 
>>> didn’t change with Tims French either.
>>> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
>>> fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
>>> sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
>>> making any gender references. 
>>> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
>>> Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
>>> female Rocks as well.
>>> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
>>> 
 On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
 <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
 
 Hi Pete and all:
 Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if 
 you use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will 
 stop, or BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be 
 able to read the Arabic Caractors,
 Hope it did not disturb you and others
 
 
> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and 
> I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
> it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through 
> those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these 
> characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. 
> However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this 
> behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. 
> My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s 
> not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Phil Halton]

OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no 
good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X anymore.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
>> least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
>> that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. 
>> So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t 
>> change with Tims French either.
>> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
>> fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
>> sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
>> making any gender references. 
>> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
>> Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
>> female Rocks as well.
>> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
>> 
>>> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Pete and all:
>>> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
>>> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
>>> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to 
>>> read the Arabic Caractors,
>>> Hope it did not disturb you and others
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and 
 I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
 Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
 it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through 
 those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these 
 characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. 
 However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, 
 and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO 
 punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not 
 considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
 
 Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
 characters if needed.
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Petrus,

Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
breathe.  Good luck with that :).

Later…


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> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
> least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
> that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. 
> So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t 
> change with Tims French either.
> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
> that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes 
> I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any 
> gender references. 
> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
> is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female 
> Rocks as well.
> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
> 
>> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pete and all:
>> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
>> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
>> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
>> the Arabic Caractors,
>> Hope it did not disturb you and others
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
>>> it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s 
>>> a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation 
>>> preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering 
>>> these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>>> characters if needed.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So 
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t change 
with Tims French either.
The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes I 
don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any gender 
references. 
I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female Rocks 
as well.
Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.

> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It’s not necessarily working for me as described at the moment either.  I’ll 
check into things in more detail a little later.  I’ve got some other 
priorities going on right now.

Later…


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> On May 5, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m using the latest OS and I have tried using Alex on the suspect characters 
> and it’s not working at all in the way that Tim has described.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 21:19, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel 
>> a little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, 
>> I’m still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does 
>> not appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO 
>> did not change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide 
>> preferences relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have 
>> Victoria as my default voice.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  
>>> It will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>>> 
>>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>>> 
>>> A bientot.
>>> 
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>>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>>> 
 On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on 
 that option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language 
> so those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of 
>> up will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on 
>> other voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At 
>> least, that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds 
>> for VO to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>>> the language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + 
 Left or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you 
 get to Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Pete,
 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I’m using the latest OS and I have tried using Alex on the suspect characters 
and it’s not working at all in the way that Tim has described.

Kawal.

> On 5 May 2020, at 21:19, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
> little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
> still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
> appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did 
> not change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide 
> preferences relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have 
> Victoria as my default voice.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>> 
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>> 
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
 those characters don’t get read out.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>> the language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did not 
change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide preferences 
relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have Victoria as my 
default voice.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
> 
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
> 
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
> 
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>>> those characters don’t get read out.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >>> > wrote:
 
 If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
 will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
 voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
 that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
 to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
 
 Pete
 
> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
> the language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
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>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.

I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at all.

Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?

A bientot.

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>> those characters don’t get read out.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
 On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
 language was.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
> Automatically Select Based on Language.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.

> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>>> language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
 Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
 Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
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 Pete,
 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If enabled, it should remain using the Alex voice, or whatever voice you were 
originally using but add the voice change when it comes upon a different 
language.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On May 5, 2020, at 1:48 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>>> language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
 Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
 Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
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 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To enable, press VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear “Voice”, keep those 
keys pressed, then use the up or down arrow until you hear “Automatically 
Select”, then release.  To disable, do the same to get to the Voice option then 
choose your preferred voice.

Later…
  

Tim Kilburn
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> On May 5, 2020, at 1:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
those characters don’t get read out.

> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices 
> like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
> happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
> voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>> language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up will 
take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices like 
Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
voice you come upon when you do this.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
language was.

> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

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This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
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Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.


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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have seen this many times, too me it is just another person on an mailing 
list, and for all we know his Sirname can have family values, my ipad changes 
too an Arab voice, so no issue for me at all.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Controlling Audio Output

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, I came across Audio Hijack, but it's for recording to file.
Useful, but a different use case.

Once upon a time there was a port of the Linux jack application, but it
seems it's unmaintained. Even it's old web page,
http://www.jackosx.com/, has expired and no longer resolves to anything.

Jack does serve this function on Linux. You can make the output of one
application go to whatever device or other application you want to
specify. Basically, it's a software patch bay.

Best,

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> An application can but I am not sure how many noisy applications actually do… 
> I believe that Rogue Ameba   the  of Audio HiJack has an application to 
> manage sound from various Apps.
> Jonathan
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> > On May 5, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> > Hi!
> > There’s audio settings in the system prefs.
> > But this controls audio for the hole system.
> > Can the aplication set its own audio output?
> > /A
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Re: Controlling Audio Output

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Seems I was just dreaming!

Yes, I see where all audio can be directed to a different device, and I
even see how these devices may be aggregated.

However, it's also theoretically possible to direct audio output from
one application to one device, while directing output from a second
application to a different device. This doesn't seem to be supported by
the Apple OS, only by individual applications that care to define that
functionality.

Oh well, a girl can dream! 

Best,

Janina

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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

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Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.


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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Ramy and all,

Ramy, now that I understand, it’s really not disturbing to me, especially after 
what others have suggested I can do about reading them. For all, several of you 
have suggested an automatically select language rotor option somewhere in VO 
settings, but I can’t seem to find it anywhere, so I’m stumped!

Thanks for any help,
Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 5:28 AM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
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> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
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>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
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Re: Syncronmizing passwords

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Hi,

This sounds like a combination of a Jamf Policy and user integration.  When 
logging into your Mac, do you log in with your AD user and password, or do you 
use a local user, then connect to the server with your AD credentials?  If the 
latter, then it is logical that they do not match, as the AD configuration is 
not specifically related to the local user.  If the former, then you could try 
to use the tool in Self Service to change your AD password again and this may 
change the FV local password as part of the policy.  If it errors out, then it 
may be necessary to change the password back to your previous one using the 
non-Self Service method, then use the Self Service tool to do the change again. 
 If none of that works, you’ll likely need to speak with your IT folks who 
manage the Jam instance to see how their Jamf policy is implemented.  There’s a 
number of factors that might be affecting this including a bug in this version 
of Jamf.

Later…


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Re: 2 things concerning apps on IOS

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Everything you want is in Settings, iTunes & App Store.  If you don’t want apps 
purchased on the iPhone 8 to show up on the iPhone 6, then do the following on 
the iPhone 6.  Under the Automatic Downloads section, make sure that Apps is 
not checked.  For the second question, if you wish this to be the case on both 
iPones, then go into Settings, Your Name, iTunes & App Store and down near the 
bottom, uncheck the item for optimizing apps on the device.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 5, 2020, at 8:22 AM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
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> Hi all:
> 
> I have my Iphone 8+ and Iphone 6, each time i install an app on Iphone 8, I 
> found it installed on Iphone 6, how can i stop this?
> also, i need to stop Backing the Unused apps on my Icloud, I need any app 
> that am using or even not using to be always available.
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Syncronmizing passwords

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
On my work computer, I recently changed my AD Password which then caused JAMF 
to change my login and keychain passwords. But for some reason, the password 
associated with File Vault at boot did not change. In the past, I had changed 
the password using the JAMF Self Service app in the Menu Etras, but I was lazy 
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Thanks!
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Re: Controlling Audio Output

[Jonathan Cohn]

An application can but I am not sure how many noisy applications actually do… I 
believe that Rogue Ameba   the  of Audio HiJack has an application to manage 
sound from various Apps.
Jonathan



> On May 5, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> There’s audio settings in the system prefs.
> But this controls audio for the hole system.
> Can the aplication set its own audio output?
> /A
> 
>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 21:36 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi, All:
>> 
>> I'm looking for a way to direct audio output from a particular
>> application to a particular audio device.
>> 
>> I currently have two audio devices on my Mini, and a third one coming
>> soon. So, I want certain applications to output to a particular one of
>> those three devices. I seem to recall seeing this somewhere, but can't
>> recall where? Did I see this in System Settings? Or was I just dreaming?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
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2 things concerning apps on IOS

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi all:

I have my Iphone 8+ and Iphone 6, each time i install an app on Iphone 8, I 
found it installed on Iphone 6, how can i stop this?
also, i need to stop Backing the Unused apps on my Icloud, I need any app that 
am using or even not using to be always available.
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Re: VLC Audio Not Play in Headphones

[Ibraheem Fakir]

I figured it out. 

I didn’t even think to check the menu bar which is where there is a drop down 
for audio. There you can set the audio device to headphones or speakers. Worked 
like a charm.
  

Thanks,
I


> On May 1, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> That sounds very strange.
> I wonder if you have to change the system output then?
> Not ok at all i think.
> /A
> 
>> 30 apr. 2020 kl. 20:52 skrev Ibraheem Fakir :
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>> Hey List, 
>> 
>> Hope you’re well. I’m noticing a strange issue arise with VLC media player 
>> on my computer. I notice it usually after I run zoom. The audio for my 
>> entire system will play through my headphones save VLC. Its rather bazaar. I 
>> don’t see any options in the audio settings of VLC to select output source. 
>> Any tips on how to fix this issue?
>> 
>> Thanks!
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Re: Giving Apps access and battery life

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Hi!
Aha! That might help me too.
I have to check apps to see what apps has access to what?
Thanks Petrus for that.
/A

> 4 maj 2020 kl. 23:22 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
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> Hi all,
> I just learned the importance of paying attention too what access Apps ask 
> for. 
> I recommended Lazarillo to Paul last week as I found it quite helpful when we 
> moved into this new neighbourhood a few years ago. But admit I hadn’t used it 
> for a while and when I opened it again it asked to access my location via 
> bluetooth too. make it more accurate, or something like that. I couldn’t 
> quite make the connection in my head between GPS  and bluetooth but I clicked 
> on OK anyway. Then I noticed a huge drop in my battery life on my phone in 
> the preceding days but isn’t make the connection. I was sitting there on 
> Sunday trying to work out why my battery was draining so fast and I even 
> checked my battery health and it was still running at peek performance. Then 
> it hit me, the only change I made recently was with the Lazarillo App, so I 
> went into my settings and found the lazarillo app and checked the settings. 
> Once I turned off the bluetooth access my battery life was back to normal. So 
> I’m going to pay more attention to apps when they ask me to give them access 
> and permissions. 
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Re: Controlling Audio Output

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There’s audio settings in the system prefs.
But this controls audio for the hole system.
Can the aplication set its own audio output?
/A

> 4 maj 2020 kl. 21:36 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi, All:
> 
> I'm looking for a way to direct audio output from a particular
> application to a particular audio device.
> 
> I currently have two audio devices on my Mini, and a third one coming
> soon. So, I want certain applications to output to a particular one of
> those three devices. I seem to recall seeing this somewhere, but can't
> recall where? Did I see this in System Settings? Or was I just dreaming?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
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Re: Silencing VoiceOver with the control key

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have that problem with the Siri Voices.
But not with the acapela ones.
Very odd.
/A

> 4 maj 2020 kl. 19:10 skrev Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> I notice that control does not work very often to silence speech. It does not 
> matter what voice I am using. Sometimes when I hit control it will even start 
> speaking in a different voice than the one I am using. It is one of the most 
> annoying frustrations I have with VoiceOver.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Patrick Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I am using Samantha and the control key does not work for silencing. I 
>> thought it was because I had updated to catalina. it used to work just fine 
>> but after catalina control key never worked again.
>> patrick 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, what voice are you currently using? I’m using Victoria, 
>>> one of the old-time voices that’s been with VO forever, and the control key 
>>> does exactly what I expect it to do. Have you tried switching to either 
>>> her, or maybe Samantha, just to see what happens?
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On May 4, 2020, at 7:21 AM, Eric Caron >>> > wrote:
 
 It would be helpful if it worked.  It would be a quick way to stop speech 
 in all kinds of situations.  Mostly when my wife wants to tell me 
 something and the computer is talking so I can’t hear.  But also when on a 
 phone call, or when I want to silence a long unneeded computer ramble. 
 
 I have learned to restart voice over or turn the volume down but the 
 control key is faster and easier. And it has the advantage that a second 
 press starts speech where it left off. 
 
 I notice just now that if I close my lid and then reopen the control key 
 feature no longer works.  I have to restart Voice over.  
 
 Unfortunately due to an active cat it is best if I shut my lid often.
 
I’ll pay attention to see what else triggers the failure.
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 
> On May 4, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It seems to do so on my computer using all english speaking voices but 
> not when i use my swedish voice.
> Not sure why but thats how it is here.
> /A
> 
>> 4 maj 2020 kl. 02:57 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > >:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I know this was discussed a few weeks back but can’t remember if there 
>> was a solution?
>> If I use the VO+A to read all on an open email and I press the control 
>> key to shut Voiceover up because my wife is talking to me, it will shut 
>> up for about five seconds and then carry on reading. No matter how many 
>> times I press the control key VoiceOver will start reading again after 
>> five seconds or so. So I just end up slamming the lid down just to keep 
>> it quiet. Suppose I could mute VoiceOver but I thought the control key 
>> was the way to do it.
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi Pete and all:
Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you use 
Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or BTW if 
you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read the 
Arabic Caractors,
Hope it did not disturb you and others


> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference is 
> set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
> 
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