Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Raymond,
   Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

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On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac 
mini with the new Apple chip set.



I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
blind:


Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover 
support in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off 
to a great start.

https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/

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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

[Jonathan Cohn]

ALSO, I HAVE SEEN ONE NEWS APP USE CONTAINERS TO HOLD ARTICLES, Of course 
"articles" would be more appropriate, but I will take what I can get… I don't 
think I have ever seen a IOS app that used articles. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Folders are not necessarily related to containers.  The containers on your 
> Home screens are the Dock and the main area.  This would be the same on each 
> screen you might have on your device.  In the Mail app on iPad, the left hand 
> side has your list of mail accounts, and as ET mentioned, the right side has 
> the list of messages related to the selected mail account.  There's a third 
> container on the iPad screen when in Mail that is the message data related to 
> the selected message within the message list.  So, within Mail on the iPad, 
> you actually have three containers on the screen.  This makes it quicker to 
> navigate the page by container than it would be by regular swiping gestures.  
> Once you know which mail account is selected,, you can swipe down when the 
> rotor is set to Containers, which would bring you quickly to the Message 
> list, swipe a few times to the message you wish to read and select it.  If it 
> does not automatically bring focus to that message Information, you could 
> swipe down when in Container mode and you would now be at the message data 
> without needing to swipe through other messages to get to the content of the 
> selected message.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 21:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Simon,
>   Just look at how the iPad handles things in the Settings app. One container 
> on the left with major items. One container on the right with all the items 
> that belong to the highlighted item on left.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/29/2020 7:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> So donna,
>> This is something I've wondered about as well,
>>  So if you put apps in to a folder on a page,
>> Does this make it another / third container on for example the home screen?
>>  Or should that be each additional folder of apps created on a page will 
>> become an additional container?
>>  Thanks,
>> And thinking along the container line,
>> It's like putting things of the same type in to a container as a collection 
>> if I'm reading this right.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:38 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to 
>> Dock
>> Kawal,
>> Containers are groupings of apps. So the main part of the screen is one 
>> container, and the dock is another. Moving by container is faster than 
>> moving through all the apps on your screen.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
 On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
 trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies 
 if they seemed a bit short.
 
 I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
 suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command 
 didn't work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read 
 that the command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but 
 Jonathan's suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in 
 the rotor.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Folders are not necessarily related to containers.  The containers on your Home 
screens are the Dock and the main area.  This would be the same on each screen 
you might have on your device.  In the Mail app on iPad, the left hand side has 
your list of mail accounts, and as ET mentioned, the right side has the list of 
messages related to the selected mail account.  There's a third container on 
the iPad screen when in Mail that is the message data related to the selected 
message within the message list.  So, within Mail on the iPad, you actually 
have three containers on the screen.  This makes it quicker to navigate the 
page by container than it would be by regular swiping gestures.  Once you know 
which mail account is selected,, you can swipe down when the rotor is set to 
Containers, which would bring you quickly to the Message list, swipe a few 
times to the message you wish to read and select it.  If it does not 
automatically bring focus to that message Information, you could swipe down 
when in Container mode and you would now be at the message data without needing 
to swipe through other messages to get to the content of the selected message.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 29, 2020, at 21:11, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Simon,
  Just look at how the iPad handles things in the Settings app. One container 
on the left with major items. One container on the right with all the items 
that belong to the highlighted item on left.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 7:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> So donna,
> This is something I've wondered about as well,
>  So if you put apps in to a folder on a page,
> Does this make it another / third container on for example the home screen?
>  Or should that be each additional folder of apps created on a page will 
> become an additional container?
>  Thanks,
> And thinking along the container line,
> It's like putting things of the same type in to a container as a collection 
> if I'm reading this right.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:38 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock
> Kawal,
> Containers are groupings of apps. So the main part of the screen is one 
> container, and the dock is another. Moving by container is faster than moving 
> through all the apps on your screen.
> Best,
> Donna
>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>>> they seemed a bit short.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command 
>>> didn't work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read 
>>> that the command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but 
>>> Jonathan's suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in 
>>> the rotor.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a new 
one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini with 
the new Apple chip set.


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support 
> in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,
   Just look at how the iPad handles things in the Settings app. One 
container on the left with major items. One container on the right with 
all the items that belong to the highlighted item on left.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 7:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

So donna,
This is something I've wondered about as well,
  So if you put apps in to a folder on a page,
Does this make it another / third container on for example the home screen?

  Or should that be each additional folder of apps created on a page will 
become an additional container?

  Thanks,

And thinking along the container line,

It's like putting things of the same type in to a container as a collection if 
I'm reading this right.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

Kawal,

Containers are groupings of apps. So the main part of the screen is one 
container, and the dock is another. Moving by container is faster than moving 
through all the apps on your screen.
Best,
Donna


On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.

Kawal.


On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was trying 
to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if they 
seemed a bit short.

I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command didn't 
work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read that the 
command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but Jonathan's 
suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in the rotor.
Cheers,
Donna

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article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Mike Arrigo]

This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support in 
Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/

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RE: A very interesting problem with my new MacBook Pro's drive access when I'm in boot camp?

[Simon A Fogarty]

So what you're looking for is a shared drive or folder between the two 
operating systems,

I did do this once a number of years back but I had to create a 3rd partition 
on the drive in the mac book that I formatted as a Fat32 format, not at that 
point trusting xfat or having something on my mac side to write to NTFS.

 That would be my suggestion as I don't think from memory there is a way to do 
it directly between the os in each platform.

You could though create a One Drive account within windows and install the one 
drive app on your mac to write from either side to that one drive cloud storage 
environment  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of maurice mines
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: A very interesting problem with my new MacBook Pro's drive access when 
I'm in boot camp?

Hello everyone, the story goes somewhat like this, I moved my old system to the 
new system. On the old system I was able to read my OS X drive without a 
problem. When using paragons a PFS or Windows. After I moved that entire Time 
Machine backup to the new computer I simply cannot access the drive in order to 
read off a bit. In fact the mistake it for the paragon product, “a PFS  or 
Windows” I get “not supported” it says the drive is encrypted. I get the same 
error message, when using Mac drive for Windows.

But when I look on my system it says FileVault is not turned on. I deleted all 
my Time Machine snapshots. I’ve even removed VMware fusion. The only strange 
third-party thing that may or may not be involved here is paragons NTFS for 
Mac. Could this be the source of all my trouble? No matter how I slice this the 
issue is still quite the same when on the Boot Camp side of the machine, I have 
no way of copying anything from the backside while in Windows. Any thoughts on 
the best way to approach this?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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RE: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

[Simon A Fogarty]

So donna,
This is something I've wondered about as well,
 So if you put apps in to a folder on a page,
Does this make it another / third container on for example the home screen?

 Or should that be each additional folder of apps created on a page will become 
an additional container?

 Thanks,

And thinking along the container line,

It's like putting things of the same type in to a container as a collection if 
I'm reading this right.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

Kawal, 

Containers are groupings of apps. So the main part of the screen is one 
container, and the dock is another. Moving by container is faster than moving 
through all the apps on your screen.
Best,
Donna

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>> they seemed a bit short.
>> 
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RE: Question about mail app

[Simon A Fogarty]

I get that same message on other apps so I turn vo off and on again and things 
show up.

From: 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2020 9:37 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Question about mail app

I use command 1 to reopen my mailboxes as I am regularly hearing mail has no 
windows.

Kawal.


On 29 Jun 2020, at 15:18, Greg Wocher 
mailto:gwoc...@gwocher.com>> wrote:

Hello,
Try using command plus 0 to bring back the message viewer. If you accidentally 
use command plus w instead of command plus q to quit it will close the windows 
and you will get that message. Its either this or sometimes it takes a few to 
actually close the app. Sometimes you will get that message if the program did 
not completely close. You can close it by force quitting the app.

Greg Wocher



On Jun 29, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Rena 
mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

When I opened mail, it said mail has no windows.
What does it mean? How can I fix it?

Thanks,

Rena

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A very interesting problem with my new MacBook Pro's drive access when I'm in boot camp?

[maurice mines]

Hello everyone, the story goes somewhat like this, I moved my old system to the 
new system. On the old system I was able to read my OS X drive without a 
problem. When using paragons a PFS or Windows. After I moved that entire Time 
Machine backup to the new computer I simply cannot access the drive in order to 
read off a bit. In fact the mistake it for the paragon product, “a PFS  or 
Windows” I get “not supported” it says the drive is encrypted. I get the same 
error message, when using Mac drive for Windows.

But when I look on my system it says FileVault is not turned on. I deleted all 
my Time Machine snapshots. I’ve even removed VMware fusion. The only strange 
third-party thing that may or may not be involved here is paragons NTFS for 
Mac. Could this be the source of all my trouble? No matter how I slice this the 
issue is still quite the same when on the Boot Camp side of the machine, I have 
no way of copying anything from the backside while in Windows. Any thoughts on 
the best way to approach this?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, thanks, I was visualising them one on top of the other, but side by side 
works as well.

> On 30/06/2020, at 09:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Containers are groups of elements. more prevalent on the iPad. One example 
> wpuld be seen in settings. On the iPhone it is all one container. On the 
> iPad, it is two containers, the left holding the main groups and the right 
> holds the elements such as General in the left container and all its related 
> options in the right.
> 
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> On 6/29/2020 2:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>>> they seemed a bit short.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command 
>>> didn't work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read 
>>> that the command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but 
>>> Jonathan's suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in 
>>> the rotor.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

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Containers are just Apples word for the different sections on your iPad screen. 
So if you open your settings on the iPad, instead of swiping across until you 
find the settings you just opened you can find containers in the rotor and then 
flick down with one finger and it will take you straight to the section on the 
screen for your settings.  So the screen is split and you have all your icons 
at the top and a section opens below that for the settings.

> On 30/06/2020, at 09:24, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>> they seemed a bit short.
>> 
>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command didn't 
>> work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read that the 
>> command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but Jonathan's 
>> suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in the rotor.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks.  Very helpful.

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 22:42, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Containers are groups of elements. more prevalent on the iPad. One example 
> wpuld be seen in settings. On the iPhone it is all one container. On the 
> iPad, it is two containers, the left holding the main groups and the right 
> holds the elements such as General in the left container and all its related 
> options in the right.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/29/2020 2:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
>> Kawal.
>>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was 
>>> trying to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if 
>>> they seemed a bit short.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
>>> suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command 
>>> didn't work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read 
>>> that the command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but 
>>> Jonathan's suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in 
>>> the rotor.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Containers are groups of elements. more prevalent on the iPad. One 
example wpuld be seen in settings. On the iPhone it is all one 
container. On the iPad, it is two containers, the left holding the main 
groups and the right holds the elements such as General in the left 
container and all its related options in the right.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 2:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.

Kawal.


On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

When I posted my last messages, I was kind of distracted because I was trying 
to monitor more things than my brain could hold. :)  so apologies if they 
seemed a bit short.

I wanted to say a more proper thanks to all of you for your input and 
suggestions. I figured out that the reason that the container command didn't 
work yesterday was because I was using a different command. I read that the 
command was dots- 4-7 chord. That did not work for me, but Jonathan's 
suggestion of dot 6-chord worked quite well with containers in the rotor.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Kawal, 

Containers are groupings of apps. So the main part of the screen is one 
container, and the dock is another. Moving by container is faster than moving 
through all the apps on your screen.
Best,
Donna

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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Re: Question about mail app

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I use command 1 to reopen my mailboxes as I am regularly hearing mail has no 
windows.

Kawal.

> On 29 Jun 2020, at 15:18, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Try using command plus 0 to bring back the message viewer. If you 
> accidentally use command plus w instead of command plus q to quit it will 
> close the windows and you will get that message. Its either this or sometimes 
> it takes a few to actually close the app. Sometimes you will get that message 
> if the program did not completely close. You can close it by force quitting 
> the app.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
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>> Hello,
>>  
>> When I opened mail, it said mail has no windows.
>> What does it mean? How can I fix it?
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>> Thanks,
>>  
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Re: Containers what are they? Was Thanks for help with moving to Dock

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I would like to know what are containers used for?  I don’t understand them.

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> On 28 Jun 2020, at 19:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

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   Great, will play with this. Has Thunderbird been made accessible too?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/28/2020 11:37 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
I just downloaded Firefox 77 and Firefox 79 nightly on my system, and 
they have indeed made significant strides in interacting with VoiceOver. 
I only had a chance to review two or three sites. Sometimes, voiceOver 
would say unknown button, but if I moved forward and back it could then 
read the label for the button. I did not look at any advanced sites that 
use lots of JavaScript and have to manage focus, but first impressions 
were that this is something worth looking into.


Best wishes,

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Re: Question about mail app

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Try using command plus 0 to bring back the message viewer. If you accidentally 
use command plus w instead of command plus q to quit it will close the windows 
and you will get that message. Its either this or sometimes it takes a few to 
actually close the app. Sometimes you will get that message if the program did 
not completely close. You can close it by force quitting the app.

Greg Wocher


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>  
> When I opened mail, it said mail has no windows.
> What does it mean? How can I fix it?
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>  
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Re: Question about mail app

[Dave Carlson]

Rita,
It means that you probably used the Command-W too many times and closed the 
mail window. Just open mail again from your dock, or if your setup allows, try 
Option-M as a hotkey.

Dave Carlson
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Hello,
 
When I opened mail, it said mail has no windows.
What does it mean? How can I fix it?
 
Thanks,
 
Rena

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Question about mail app

[Rena]

Hello,

 

When I opened mail, it said mail has no windows.

What does it mean? How can I fix it?

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: Zoom breakout rooms?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks. I’m hoping to have some time to play with it either this week or next. 
If I learn anything, I will share it as well.
Cheers,
Donna

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> On Jun 29, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> Yes I have been playing with this too and so far it is accessible - I 
> haven’t had any bits I couldn’t do yet but will keep you updated 
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>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 15:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Oh, good! Thank you!
>> Donna
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> I've done a little of this, mostly just in testing mode.  Everything was 
>>> accessible to me, although I didn't try it with more than about four 
>>> participants.  I expect it would be much different though
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Does anyone have experience setting up Zoom breakout rooms? Is that process 
>>> accessible?
>>> Cheers,
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Re: Zoom breakout rooms?

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I have been playing with this too and so far it is accessible - I haven’t 
had any bits I couldn’t do yet but will keep you updated 

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 15:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Donna
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>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:54 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> accessible to me, although I didn't try it with more than about four 
>> participants.  I expect it would be much different though
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Does anyone have experience setting up Zoom breakout rooms? Is that process 
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>> Cheers,
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