Re: Fn right up or fn down arrow

2021-08-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn
This list of actions is using the Fn key  which is the bottom left key on all 
Apple laptops made sthe last 6 years.  I don't believe there is a official list 
of all the Fn combinations, but would love to be corrected.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Aug 30, 2021, at 14:47, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2021, at 19:00, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I believe I sent a correction that suggested that I got things reversed.
>> The Fn key does the following:
>> Switch the F1 to F10 keys from sending the media functions and the F 
>> functions.
>> 1-10 in Touch Pad Macs might send F1 to F10.
>> Left = Home 
>> Up = PageUp
>> Right = End 
>> Down = PageDown 
>> q = quick note (in beta versions )
>> e=
> 
>> 
>> F=full screen 
>> 
>> I know that G will do something at least in beta, but I have no idea what.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Hi there Jonathan are you referring to a touch bar mac? as I don’t have the 
> keys available on the 2018 Macbook air running the latest version of Big Sur. 
> I am getting confused. cmd down arrow or up arrow does take the cursor to the 
> top or bottom of a document , but what I am looking for is a way of scrolling 
> page by page in documents , web pages etc. Thanks for taking the time to 
> reply.
> Regards Ron.
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Re: No page up or down on MacBook Air...

2021-08-30 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

If you hold down the FN key while pressing the up/down arrows, you get the Page 
Up/Down action.  Use FN plus left and right to achieve the Home/End actions.

Later…


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> On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:41 AM, 'Ron' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks for the reply Jonathen, however I am using a MacBook Air which doesn’t 
> have a page up or down key. Any other thoughts?
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Re: Fn right up or fn down arrow

2021-08-30 Thread 'Ron' via MacVisionaries



> On 30 Aug 2021, at 19:00, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I believe I sent a correction that suggested that I got things reversed.
> The Fn key does the following:
> Switch the F1 to F10 keys from sending the media functions and the F 
> functions.
> 1-10 in Touch Pad Macs might send F1 to F10.
> Left = Home 
> Up = PageUp
> Right = End 
> Down = PageDown 
> q = quick note (in beta versions )
> e=

>  
> F=full screen 
> 
> I know that G will do something at least in beta, but I have no idea what.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
Hi there Jonathan are you referring to a touch bar mac? as I don’t have the 
keys available on the 2018 Macbook air running the latest version of Big Sur. I 
am getting confused. cmd down arrow or up arrow does take the cursor to the top 
or bottom of a document , but what I am looking for is a way of scrolling page 
by page in documents , web pages etc. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Regards Ron.

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RE: Resources to learn Pages and Numbers

2021-08-30 Thread skipper8218
My Mac Pages from Jonathan Mosen's store might be a good start.
https://mosen.org/mymacpages/


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Subject: Resources to learn Pages and Numbers

Hello all,

Are there books or tutorials that teach how to use Pages and Numbers with 
Voiceover in depth? I am already using these programs but on a basic level and 
I would like to kick up my knowledge to become much more productive on the Mac.

Thanks for your suggestions,
Minh

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Resources to learn Pages and Numbers

2021-08-30 Thread minh Tam ha
Hello all,

Are there books or tutorials that teach how to use Pages and Numbers with 
Voiceover in depth? I am already using these programs but on a basic level and 
I would like to kick up my knowledge to become much more productive on the Mac.

Thanks for your suggestions,
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Re: Fn right up or fn down arrow

2021-08-30 Thread Brad Snyder
For VoiceOver users, pressing VO + Fn, will allow NumberRow keys to perform 
VoiceOver actions usually performed by VO + F-keys.
For example, pressing VO + Fn + NumberRow 1, will identify the current 
application, and pressing a second time will open the Application Chooser.
Pressing VO + Fn + NumberRow 2, will identify the current window, and pressing 
a second time will open the Window Chooser for the current application.


- Brad -


On Aug 30, 2021, at 13:00, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I believe I sent a correction that suggested that I got things reversed.
The Fn key does the following:
Switch the F1 to F10 keys from sending the media functions and the F functions.
1-10 in Touch Pad Macs might send F1 to F10.
Left = Home 
Up = PageUp
Right = End 
Down = PageDown 
q = quick note (in beta versions )
e=emogi 
F=full screen 

I know that G will do something at least in beta, but I have no idea what.


 


Jonathan Cohn



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> Meant to say fn righght or left arrow seems to take the cursor to the top or 
> bottom of the window rather than scrolling.
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Re: Fn right up or fn down arrow

2021-08-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I believe I sent a correction that suggested that I got things reversed.
The Fn key does the following:
Switch the F1 to F10 keys from sending the media functions and the F functions.
1-10 in Touch Pad Macs might send F1 to F10.
Left = Home 
Up = PageUp
Right = End 
Down = PageDown 
q = quick note (in beta versions )
e=emogi 
F=full screen 

I know that G will do something at least in beta, but I have no idea what.


 


Jonathan Cohn



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Fn right up or fn down arrow

2021-08-30 Thread 'Ron' via MacVisionaries
Meant to say fn righght or left arrow seems to take the cursor to the top or 
bottom of the window rather than scrolling.

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No page up or down on MacBook Air...

2021-08-30 Thread 'Ron' via MacVisionaries
Thanks for the reply Jonathen, however I am using a MacBook Air which doesn’t 
have a page up or down key. Any other thoughts?
Regards Ron.

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Re: Page scrolling

2021-08-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Sorry, I got that wrong. PageUp / PageDown  is Fn-upArrow /  Fn-downArrow  . 
This does work in the list of mail messages and mailboxes. It has no VO 
noticeable effect when in a Mail composition window. 
On a standard keyboard the PageUp and PageDown keys in the six pack work.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> hi Jonathan thanks for the reply, yes you are correct  and the screen is 
> scrolling with the 3 finger swipe when I check with touch navigation. 
> I know cmd up arrow takes the focus to the top or botom of the screen., but 
> how do you scroll pages with keys?
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Re: Page scrolling

2021-08-30 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I believe that FN'Right arrow should work as a page down key, but at least in 
Mail text areas, it does nothing for a non' visual user of MacOS. Perhaps you 
can give me an example of why you need page change functionality.
Jonathan 
 
Best wishes,

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> hi Jonathan thanks for the reply, yes you are correct  and the screen is 
> scrolling with the 3 finger swipe when I check with touch navigation. 
> I know cmd up arrow takes the focus to the top or botom of the screen., but 
> how do you scroll pages with keys?
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