Re: Activating a text field with VoiceOver and Google Chrome problem

[Jonathan Cohn]

No, can't help here.
Need either specific steps you know work with another screen reader, or the URL 
of the site so I can examine how it works.
Date pickers on web pages can be designed in several different ways and have 
varying degrees of screen reader accessibility.
That being said, some versions of MacOS have issues with web components that 
are using a element with explicit or implicit role of dialog. In these cases, 
at least when using Safari, the best thing to do is to use the item chooser. I 
expect that if you use the item chooser on a calendar popup  typing just 2 
after the chooser is active should give you 
March 2, March 12, March 20, March 21, March 23, … March 29 as choices in the 
reduced list.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 1, 2022, at 18:17, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody, hope you are well. I have run into an issue and I hope 
> somebody can help. Using Catalina on a 27 inch iMac with VoiceOver I open up 
> Google Chrome and I go to a particular website. I have to fill out some text 
> fields, uptill here no issues, there are some pop-up buttons that I activate 
> with the VO space bar and here no issues. However I run into a date field 
> that no matter what I do I cannot edit. I’m trying to schedule an event and 
> in this text field it will give me tomorrow’s date if I’m trying to schedule 
> the event today. I’ve been told by sighted people that if you click on the 
> field a Calendar pops up where you can choose  a future date. I tried routing 
> the mouse pointer to VoiceOver using VO command  F5 and then I click VO shift 
> space bar but nothing happens. I can’t seem to get this calendar to pop-up. 
> When I’m on this text field VoiceOver does say edit I interact with the field 
> but it still will not let me type out the date. Does anybody have any idea 
> how I can activate this field and calendar so I can choose the date that I 
> want? And just so I can make my problem and issue a little more clear those 
> people who use both Mac and windows, to activate this calendar and field with 
> jazz you have to use the virtual cursor.  I hope I haven’t confused you too 
> much and I hope I have explained myself well . Any help is appreciated, any 
> suggestions, any ideas. Thank you in advance for any help
> Regards zoe
> 
> 
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Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

[Jonathan Cohn]

Great, I have now joined and also joined the blind twitter community. The tabs 
on the bottom of my app changed as soon as I joined this community.
Thanks!

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 1, 2022, at 20:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brett and thank you.
> 
> Just after posting my reply, last night, I discovered, just as you suggested, 
> that one will only see the Communities tab if one belongs to a community.
> 
> Thank you so much for offering to send me an invitation.  A couple of hours 
> ago, before checking my emails, a friend with whom I have also been 
> discussing this topic, sent me an invitation so it looks as though I am up 
> and running.
> 
> I will definitely see you on Twitter at your Twitter handle which is very 
> clever, by the way.  My Twitter handle
> Is @MarkMarcus.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brett Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 7:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter
> 
> Very frustrating.
> I checked and I think you won't see the tab if you aren't part of any 
> communities (I think Twitter is running an experiment on who has access).
> If you join a community from an invite (the link I sent or you can direct 
> message me on Twitter and I will send you an invite) I think you will then 
> have the Communities tab.
> Appreciate you following up on this.
> My Twitter handle is: @brettlewisjudo
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:29 PM M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Brett and thank you.
> 
> Not only could I not locate Communities on either of my iOS or iPad app, 
> latest versions, but I contacted 4 of my local friends and they, too, do not 
> see the Communities tab.  The people I contacted are not VoiceOver users.
> 
> I just went to the web portal, and, just as on the mobile apps, there is not 
> a Communities tab.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 7:44 PM
> To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Spaces is where you can host audio only chats.
> Communities is a separate tab.
> Not sure why it isn't showing up for you.
> Just to cover the obvious, this is on iOS on an iPhone (I have not tried this 
> on an iPad)?
> Do you have the latest version of the twitter app?
> Let me see if I can find out why the tab might be missing for you.
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 7:11 PM M. Taylor  
> wrote:
> Hello Brett,
> 
> I do not see a tab for Communities, on my Twitter app.  I see a tab labelled 
> Spaces.
> 
> Is Spaces the new area to which you are referring?
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mailto:mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 10:00 AM
> To: mailto:mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter
> 
> Hi,
> Communities are a pretty new thing on Twitter.
> I thought I would create one and see how it goes.
> I think the community tweets should show up in your timeline but you probably 
> should bookmark for easy access.
> Having said that, the iOS app has a tab at the bottom of the screen for 
> communities and I am finding that to be a quick way to access the communities 
> I belong to.
> On the web, communities is under the more item near the top of the page.
> Brett
> 
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 09:09, Jonathan Cohn 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems interesting. I had never heard of Twitter communities. Will the 
>> community show up in my timeline, or should I book mark it for best access?
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:53, Brett Lewis 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> I set up a new community on Twitter for discussing anything screen reader 
>>> related.
>>> Not specific to any OS or screen reader, just for anything screen reader 
>>> related.
>>> It is a bit of a work in progress, but if you want to come and help shape 
>>> the discussion, please join at:
>>> https://twitter.com/i/communities/1497020353159204879
>>> Brett
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

[M. Taylor]

Hello Brett and thank you.

Just after posting my reply, last night, I discovered, just as you suggested, 
that one will only see the Communities tab if one belongs to a community.

Thank you so much for offering to send me an invitation.  A couple of hours 
ago, before checking my emails, a friend with whom I have also been discussing 
this topic, sent me an invitation so it looks as though I am up and running.

I will definitely see you on Twitter at your Twitter handle which is very 
clever, by the way.  My Twitter handle
Is @MarkMarcus.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brett Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 7:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

Very frustrating.
I checked and I think you won't see the tab if you aren't part of any 
communities (I think Twitter is running an experiment on who has access).
If you join a community from an invite (the link I sent or you can direct 
message me on Twitter and I will send you an invite) I think you will then have 
the Communities tab.
Appreciate you following up on this.
My Twitter handle is: @brettlewisjudo

Brett



On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:29 PM M. Taylor  wrote:
Hello Brett and thank you.

Not only could I not locate Communities on either of my iOS or iPad app, latest 
versions, but I contacted 4 of my local friends and they, too, do not see the 
Communities tab.  The people I contacted are not VoiceOver users.

I just went to the web portal, and, just as on the mobile apps, there is not a 
Communities tab.

Mark

From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 7:44 PM
To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

Hi Mark,
Spaces is where you can host audio only chats.
Communities is a separate tab.
Not sure why it isn't showing up for you.
Just to cover the obvious, this is on iOS on an iPhone (I have not tried this 
on an iPad)?
Do you have the latest version of the twitter app?
Let me see if I can find out why the tab might be missing for you.
Brett




On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 7:11 PM M. Taylor  wrote:
Hello Brett,

I do not see a tab for Communities, on my Twitter app.  I see a tab labelled 
Spaces.

Is Spaces the new area to which you are referring?

Mark

-Original Message-
From: mailto:mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 10:00 AM
To: mailto:mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

Hi,
Communities are a pretty new thing on Twitter.
I thought I would create one and see how it goes.
I think the community tweets should show up in your timeline but you probably 
should bookmark for easy access.
Having said that, the iOS app has a tab at the bottom of the screen for 
communities and I am finding that to be a quick way to access the communities I 
belong to.
On the web, communities is under the more item near the top of the page.
Brett


> On Feb 27, 2022, at 09:09, Jonathan Cohn  
> wrote:
> 
> Seems interesting. I had never heard of Twitter communities. Will the 
> community show up in my timeline, or should I book mark it for best access?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:53, Brett Lewis 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> I set up a new community on Twitter for discussing anything screen reader 
>> related.
>> Not specific to any OS or screen reader, just for anything screen reader 
>> related.
>> It is a bit of a work in progress, but if you want to come and help shape 
>> the discussion, please join at:
>> https://twitter.com/i/communities/1497020353159204879
>> Brett
>> 
>> 
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Sort Order in Mail Attachments Window Solved

[Steve Matzura]

If you're sending a file via an email attachment from a Mac and are 
having trouble getting the directory to sort in the order you want, do 
the following:



1.In Mail, create a new message.

2. Open the Attach Files dialog (Shift+Command-A).

3. Navigate (browse, if you prefer) to the directory containing the 
file(s) you want attached to the currently open outbound mail message.


4. Focus on any file in the list and interact with it.

5. VO-Left Arrow and interact with the object there. This is the bar 
that goes across the top of all file lists and which contains the column 
headers.


6. Down Arrow through the list until you find the sort order you want, 
and press VO-Spacebar.


7. Stop interacting with the column headers

8. VO-Right Arrow back to the file list and stop interacting with it.


Your file list is now in the desired order.


This was courtesy of Apple's disability access help line.

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Activating a text field with VoiceOver and Google Chrome problem

[FIOGKOS]

Hello everybody, hope you are well. I have run into an issue and I hope 
somebody can help. Using Catalina on a 27 inch iMac with VoiceOver I open up 
Google Chrome and I go to a particular website. I have to fill out some text 
fields, uptill here no issues, there are some pop-up buttons that I activate 
with the VO space bar and here no issues. However I run into a date field that 
no matter what I do I cannot edit. I’m trying to schedule an event and in this 
text field it will give me tomorrow’s date if I’m trying to schedule the event 
today. I’ve been told by sighted people that if you click on the field a 
Calendar pops up where you can choose  a future date. I tried routing the mouse 
pointer to VoiceOver using VO command  F5 and then I click VO shift space bar 
but nothing happens. I can’t seem to get this calendar to pop-up. When I’m on 
this text field VoiceOver does say edit I interact with the field but it still 
will not let me type out the date. Does anybody have any idea how I can 
activate this field and calendar so I can choose the date that I want? And just 
so I can make my problem and issue a little more clear those people who use 
both Mac and windows, to activate this calendar and field with jazz you have to 
use the virtual cursor.  I hope I haven’t confused you too much and I hope I 
have explained myself well . Any help is appreciated, any suggestions, any 
ideas. Thank you in advance for any help
Regards zoe



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God the sun dwelt in her
God the spirit overshadowed her
Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
Let’s have fun and cook together on zoe‘s blind kitchen corner.


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Re: In app purchases on iOS apps

[Phil Halton]

That’s what I thought. Yeah, it’s usually a short free trial. Or a stripped 
down version that is virtually useless. Then you find out it’s big dollars to 
unlock it. I wouldn’t of wasted my time installing it if I knew with some of 
these costs are. Very deceptive and dishonest. Maybe a note to the app 
developers  B blasting them for their dishonesty and telling them I’ll go to 
one of their competitors.  but what good is that really gonna do. Maybe just 
make me feel a little better. 

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> Basically you get the app for free or very cheap, but it’s trimmed down to 
> just a few features.
> 
> You find out what the full features cost after you run the app.
> 
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Mar 1, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I just started perusing the App Store for iOS apps and I’ve noticed that the 
> prices for apps seem to be buried in this “in app purchases “business. How 
> can you find out how much an app cost before you actually download it?. Are 
> they hiding the price somewhere in the description of the app that I’m not 
> seeing? Very deceptive in my view.
> 
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Re: In app purchases on iOS apps

[Dave Carlson]

Phil,

Basically you get the app for free or very cheap, but it’s trimmed down to just 
a few features.

You find out what the full features cost after you run the app.

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Mar 1, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I just started perusing the App Store for iOS apps and I’ve noticed that the 
prices for apps seem to be buried in this “in app purchases “business. How can 
you find out how much an app cost before you actually download it?. Are they 
hiding the price somewhere in the description of the app that I’m not seeing? 
Very deceptive in my view.

Sent from my IPhone

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In app purchases on iOS apps

[Phil Halton]

I just started perusing the App Store for iOS apps and I’ve noticed that the 
prices for apps seem to be buried in this “in app purchases “business. How can 
you find out how much an app cost before you actually download it?. Are they 
hiding the price somewhere in the description of the app that I’m not seeing? 
Very deceptive in my view.

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter

[Brett Lewis]

Very frustrating.
I checked and I think you won't see the tab if you aren't part of any
communities (I think Twitter is running an experiment on who has access).
If you join a community from an invite (the link I sent or you can direct
message me on Twitter and I will send you an invite) I think you will then
have the Communities tab.
Appreciate you following up on this.
My Twitter handle is: @brettlewisjudo

Brett



On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 10:29 PM M. Taylor  wrote:

> Hello Brett and thank you.
>
> Not only could I not locate Communities on either of my iOS or iPad app,
> latest versions, but I contacted 4 of my local friends and they, too, do
> not see the Communities tab.  The people I contacted are not VoiceOver
> users.
>
> I just went to the web portal, and, just as on the mobile apps, there is
> not a Communities tab.
>
> Mark
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 7:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter
>
> Hi Mark,
> Spaces is where you can host audio only chats.
> Communities is a separate tab.
> Not sure why it isn't showing up for you.
> Just to cover the obvious, this is on iOS on an iPhone (I have not tried
> this on an iPad)?
> Do you have the latest version of the twitter app?
> Let me see if I can find out why the tab might be missing for you.
> Brett
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 7:11 PM M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Brett,
>
> I do not see a tab for Communities, on my Twitter app.  I see a tab
> labelled Spaces.
>
> Is Spaces the new area to which you are referring?
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Brett Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 10:00 AM
> To: mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Screen Reader Users Community on Twitter
>
> Hi,
> Communities are a pretty new thing on Twitter.
> I thought I would create one and see how it goes.
> I think the community tweets should show up in your timeline but you
> probably should bookmark for easy access.
> Having said that, the iOS app has a tab at the bottom of the screen for
> communities and I am finding that to be a quick way to access the
> communities I belong to.
> On the web, communities is under the more item near the top of the page.
> Brett
>
>
> > On Feb 27, 2022, at 09:09, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
> >
> > Seems interesting. I had never heard of Twitter communities. Will the
> community show up in my timeline, or should I book mark it for best access?
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 25, 2022, at 09:53, Brett Lewis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all:
> >> I set up a new community on Twitter for discussing anything screen
> reader related.
> >> Not specific to any OS or screen reader, just for anything screen
> reader related.
> >> It is a bit of a work in progress, but if you want to come and help
> shape the discussion, please join at:
> >> https://twitter.com/i/communities/1497020353159204879
> >> Brett
> >>
> >>
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