Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Tim for the info, Ron.


> On 2 Jun 2022, at 16:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
> service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no 
> idea.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my 
>> Aol, Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable 
>> under system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to 
>> the  edit server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
>> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
>> accounts? Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” 
>>> part of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things 
>>> but improve security of your accounts.
>>> 
>>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in 
>>> any Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the 
>>> selected SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server 
 settings, with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to 
 edit, but have disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last 
 updated a mail password. It would seem some others have had the same 
 problem but the majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting 
 an account and re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and 
 waiting for mac mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long 
 processes if you regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t 
 understand is the sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
 
 
> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
> 
> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming 
> and Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings 
> pane of mail Prefs.
> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is 
> entered properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you 
> that the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  
> Once you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, 
> it is fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the 
> password in Internet accounts.
> 
> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then 
> re-add, an account when simply changing a password.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
>> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
>> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
>> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
>> example. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>>> 

Update on Frendly TV

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I've decided to keep it. The app is very usable, especially the dvr. You can
navigate the guide. Its worth the price, especially yearly subscription is
cheaper. I used on iPhone 13 Pro max and Apple tv.

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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
 anything has changed over the past few weeks.
 
 • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
 Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
 of mail Prefs.
 • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
 properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
 • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
 Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
 be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
 password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
 Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
 the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
 you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
 fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
 • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
 in Internet accounts.
 
 Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
 an account when simply changing a password.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
> example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 

Re: How does my husband go about excepting an invitation to family share?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi donna,

If he’s accepting on a Mac, see the link below:

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mac-help/mh2fd47a0f16/mac

If accepting on an iPhone or iPad, use this link for info:

https://www.supportrix.com/kb/how-to-accept-a-family-sharing-invitation-on-your-ios-device/

Basically, the “Accept” or “Decline” is in Apple ID or Family Sharing settings.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 21:04, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the invitation is not romantic enough?
> Have you considered writing him a poem,  maybe his favorite dinner?
> Even the simplest men appreciate being celebrated!
> kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> It’s a long story but my husband ended up getting deleted from our family. 
>> So I’m trying to re-invite him. I’ve sent him a text message, and both he 
>> and I can see the text message on his phone, but there doesn’t seem to be 
>> any way for him to except the invitation. How does he do that? Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ron,

As I mentioned, this is the case for both Google and iCloud.  G Mail is a 
service of Google, thus you will see this behaviour.  As to AOL, I have no idea.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 00:53, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
> Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
> system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
> server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
> Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail 
> accounts? Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has 
>> been gradually moving towards handling most account details within the 
>> Internet Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part 
>> of things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
>> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
>> improve security of your accounts.
>> 
>> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
>> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
>> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
>> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
>> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
>> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac 
>>> mail promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
 anything has changed over the past few weeks.
 
 • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
 Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
 of mail Prefs.
 • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
 properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
 • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
 Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
 be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
 password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
 Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
 the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
 you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
 fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
 • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
 in Internet accounts.
 
 Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
 an account when simply changing a password.
 
 Later…
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
> in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
> subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
> this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
> example. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
>> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The 
>> Accounts tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes 
>> and historic reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it 
>> is just 

Re: Mac mail server settings disappeared. Help Please

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. To add some specific information. It is my Aol, 
Gmail and Icloud accounts were the sever settings are no longer visable under 
system pref internat accounts server settings. This also applies to the  edit 
server list option in outgoing mail server button/option.
Can anyone confirm this  has also happened to them using Aol or Gmail accounts? 
Ron.


> On 1 Jun 2022, at 15:38, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is mostly a security and convenience thing.  Apple has been 
> gradually moving towards handling most account details within the Internet 
> Accounts pane of System Preferences.  That’s the “convenience” part of 
> things.  Security is much more complicated and the use of security 
> certificates and such negatively affect the “convenience” part of things but 
> improve security of your accounts.
> 
> I don’t have an Outlook eMail, so I’m not familiar with how Server Settings 
> are affected, although as I mentioned, non-Google and non-iCloud accounts 
> still allow for password interaction within the Server Settings tab of Mail 
> Prefs.  You can, though, still mess with the outgoing server settings in any 
> Mail account in the Server Settings tab.  Simply VO-space on the selected 
> SMTP server pop-up, and choose Edit SMTP servers from that menu.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 02:30, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim, thanks for the reply. The problem is aALL the Mail server settings, 
>> with the exception of Outlook, were visable and available to edit, but have 
>> disappeared in the last couple of weeks since I last updated a mail 
>> password. It would seem some others have had the same problem but the 
>> majority not. Yes, there are work arounds such as deleting an account and 
>> re-adding, changing password on  mail home web page and waiting for mac mail 
>> promp to enter correct password. These are all long processes if you 
>> regulary update passwords for each account. What I can’t understand is the 
>> sudden disappearance of the sever settings. Ron.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 31 May 2022, at 17:22, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Adding to Jonathan’s awesome explanation, I really don’t believe that 
>>> anything has changed over the past few weeks.
>>> 
>>> • for non-Google and non-iCloud accounts, you will still have Incoming and 
>>> Outgoing server configuration options from within the Server Settings pane 
>>> of mail Prefs.
>>> • iCloud belongs to Apple, so as long as your Apple ID password is entered 
>>> properly in System Prefs, there’s no extra configuration required.
>>> • as mentioned, Google based accounts, whether G Mail, or Google Work 
>>> Space, are handled in a special manner.  The private browser actions will 
>>> be triggered whenever you use something that notices that the Google 
>>> password is no longer valid.  That is, if you’re in Mail, System 
>>> Preferences/Internet Accounts, or in a browser.  Google will tell you that 
>>> the password is incorrect and give you the opportunity to fix it.  Once 
>>> you’ve entered the correct password in the private browser session, it is 
>>> fixed everywhere it needs fixed.
>>> • for non-Google, non-iCloud accounts, you are able to change the password 
>>> in Internet accounts.
>>> 
>>> Keeping this information in mind, there is no need to delete, then re-add, 
>>> an account when simply changing a password.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 31, 2022, at 00:57, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Jonathan, thanks for the info. What I can’t understand is how it changed 
 in the last 2 weeks? Yes I can work around by deleting the account and 
 subsequently adding the account again if I need to update a setting, but 
 this is a long way around a change of password  for each account for 
 example. Ron.
 
 
> On 30 May 2022, at 23:12, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> For the past three years the best interface to control Mail Account 
> settings has been the "Internet Accounts" in System Settings. The 
> Accounts tab in Mail settings is there for some   specialized purposes 
> and historic reasons. In fat, it seems from the "help" dialogs that it is 
> just reflecting information from the Internet Settings of System 
> Preferences.
> For Google accounts, one needs to go through the system preferences 
> because it creates a secure certificate for the computer which is 
> essentially a more secure version of the application password you have 
> been using.
> After you  enter the username of the account in System Settings, it will 
> launch a private instance of the Safari browser for you to enter the 
> Google