Re: On Re-Installing MacOS

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I believe the procedure to do this difference for an M1 Mac from an Intel Mac, do you have the year end computer chip that is in your Mac mini?Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 4, 2023, at 8:57 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:I recently needed to have my Mac mini hard-drive replaced.  I’m now having a problem with some of the basic VoiceOver features; for instance, + does not bring up the VoiceOver configuration screen.  Also, QuickNav is not working in web sites.I called Apple support and was advised to re-install MacOS; I was instructed to press + during reboot to initiate the re-installation process.This did not work for me.  Can anybody offer any helpful suggestions?TIA
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On Re-Installing MacOS

[Bill Gallik]

I recently needed to have my Mac mini hard-drive replaced.  I’m now having a 
problem with some of the basic VoiceOver features; for instance, + does 
not bring up the VoiceOver configuration screen.  Also, QuickNav is not working 
in web sites.

I called Apple support and was advised to re-install MacOS; I was instructed to 
press + during reboot to initiate the re-installation process.

This did not work for me.  Can anybody offer any helpful suggestions?

TIA


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Re: Editing PDF's with Voiceover

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, so would the same apply to a privacy policy which is supposed to state the 
following “to fight the funding of terrorists” but the word “fight” looks like 
“y(umlaut symbol)ght?  I can’t figure out how to type the umlaut symbol 
correctly, so that’s why it’s spelled out, but it wasn’t in a privacy policy I 
was sent to audit, and I was like “what?"

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 6:06 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 08:27, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, all I’m really wanting to do at this point, is correct the spelling 
>> errors I’m constantly finding in these PDF’s I’m sent, a perfect example I’m 
>> always finding is the I is always left out of the word “financial,” so 
>> Voiceover will always pronounce it “financal”. 
> This probably isn’t a spelling error in the PDF file at all. The most likely 
> cause is that the “fi” ligature is being used in the typeset text, and the 
> PDF isn’t properly accessible, so your screen reader isn’t
> Receiving the correct characters, even though both “f” and “I” are present in 
> the text as shown on screen or printed.
> You could convert the PDF file to text and then edit, I suppose. Editing the 
> original PDF wouldn’t help, as it’s most likely correct as is.
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Re: Editing PDF's with Voiceover

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> On Aug 4, 2023, at 08:27, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, all I’m really wanting to do at this point, is correct the spelling 
> errors I’m constantly finding in these PDF’s I’m sent, a perfect example I’m 
> always finding is the I is always left out of the word “financial,” so 
> Voiceover will always pronounce it “financal”. 
This probably isn’t a spelling error in the PDF file at all. The most likely 
cause is that the “fi” ligature is being used in the typeset text, and the PDF 
isn’t properly accessible, so your screen reader isn’t
 Receiving the correct characters, even though both “f” and “I” are present in 
the text as shown on screen or printed.
You could convert the PDF file to text and then edit, I suppose. Editing the 
original PDF wouldn’t help, as it’s most likely correct as is.

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Re: Saving Audio

[Brad Snyder]

Alternatively, you can use Piezo, an audio recorder from Rogue Ameba, the 
makers of Audio Hijack and Loopback.
Piezo will let you record audio output from any application on your Mac without 
the need for additional software such as Audio Hijack or Loopback.
Using Piezo is very straight forward, and pretty simple for a new user. 

- Brad -



On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:22, Herbie Allen  wrote:

AudioHighjack is your friend. You can also get Loopback and then you can use 
whatever recording program you prefer.

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>  A local TV station posted a video of a band playing a piece. I want to save 
> the audio, how to do this? Thanks.
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Re: Saving Audio

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AudioHighjack is your friend. You can also get Loopback and then you can use 
whatever recording program you prefer.

> On Jul 15, 2023, at 15:13, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   A local TV station posted a video of a band playing a piece. I want to save 
> the audio, how to do this? Thanks.
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Re: Chat GPT, Anyone?

[sandie JazminKruse]

hi I have tried it out a couple times eventually I want to introduce it to my 
ex 


best






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> On 1 Aug 2023, at 16.09, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have used it a bit and whilst it can do some really useful stuff - I got 
> some of my students to use it to create a writing frame for an essay so they 
> could think about structure. It does have limits when you are asking about 
> certain topics and it gets things wrong - this is because it is text based 
> and works on the idea of common language patterns etc so it is a language 
> generator - it doesn’t search the web in that sense for information from 
> different websites. So it makes mistakes - it told me I wrote an academic 
> paper that I didn’t actually write - I wrote something similar but not the 
> one it suggested.
> 
> We have been talking about it a lot at work because it has opened up a huge 
> debate in Higher education about its use by students for essay writing etc - 
> what I would say for now is that it can generate a not bad undergraduate 
> descriptive essay but not anything too sophisticated. I did get it - as a 
> trial - to create a conference presentation for me - but actually when you 
> read through it it just kept repeating the same idea over and over with 
> different phrasing. 
> 
>> On 11 Jul 2023, at 03:39, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Just so you know, I am posting this to both lists.
>> 
>> So I keep running into all kinds of news articles on Chat GPT, a product
>> from the Open A I project.
>> 
>> Has anyone downloaded the app from the App Store and, if so, are you finding
>> it as amazing as some of the news reporters from USA Today and the
>> Wallstreet Journal?  
>> 
>> I went to the website at chat.openai.com to see what I could find.  I did
>> not find much; I'll have to download the app to really check it out.
>> 
>> Oh, the article I read today, in the Apple News app talked about how Chat
>> GPT planned the writer's vacation itinerary and did a pretty good job of it,
>> apparently.
>> 
>> I look forward to reading your replies,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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RE: Just Appreciating the Accessibility of Apple Home Kit

[M. Taylor]

Hello Donna,

Okay, I am posting the info to the model I purchased, below.  This model was 
suggested by V iPhone list member, James.  It was the best purchase I've made 
in years.

Mark

Original Post:
I’ve had a Sensi model st55 for 2 years now.Be sure you get this cheaper 
$80.00, model available from Amazon.  It has buttons that control selecting 
heat or air conditioning and changing the temperature and more.  It also works 
with Alexa and there is an app for I Phone and I think, Android.
Note, the more expensive model is flat screen only.  No buttons.  The buttons 
are important for a blind person to use the thermostat in case your internet 
goes down.

The $80.00, thermostat with buttons is model ST55.  Here is an Amazon link.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NB1OB0I/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3_cr_id=1865675060401_rd_plhdr=t_rd_r=a4851b0d-8d87-4199-8c2b-32c4437daff2_rd_w=8kn92_rd_wg=ViTHK_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd

HTH,

James B  

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From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just Appreciating the Accessibility of Apple Home Kit

Mark,

Just curious, which thermostat did you choose?  We’ve got the Ecobee, but I’m 
considering replacing it.
Cheers,
Donna

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> 
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> my house.
> 
> I continue to truly appreciate the temperature control I now enjoy via 
> iOS and iPad OS.
> 
> Until I installed this thermostat, I either had to turn the A/C either 
> on or off.  The old legacy thermostats was simply not accessible to me 
> as a blind person.
> 
> However, I recently began having Siri keep the house between 2 
> temperature set points such as 78 to 82 degrees. It is wonderful.  Now 
> I know this is not a big deal for sighted people but, until now, I 
> have not enjoyed this capability, completely independent of a sighted person.
> 
> When I am away from the house for any significant period of time, with 
> the A/C off, I tell Siri to turn the A/C on before I get home and the 
> house is already nice and cool.
> 
> Now I know this can be done with both Alexa and the Google assistant 
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> at the level of accessibility that I never would have dreamed of 30 years ago.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Saving Audio

[Michael Babcock]

Hi,

It wasn't clear as to where they posted the audio, if they posted it to 
YouTube, use a tool to download the video, such as Downie - The Fastest Video 
Converter

https://www.hitpaw.net/sem/video-converter-youtube-b.html
Alternatively, what I would do is simply use Audio Hijack and capture the audio 
from the tool that actually playing it if it wasn't available on YouTube or 
couldn't be downloaded with the aforementioned tool.

Hope that helps a little..

Best
Michael - KJ7PAZ
Payown Media, LLC


> On Aug 4, 2023, at 8:26 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   No responses yet. Surely this can be done. Again thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/15/2023 3:13 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>A local TV station posted a video of a band playing a piece. I want to 
>> save the audio, how to do this? Thanks.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>  --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Saving Audio

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   No responses yet. Surely this can be done. Again thanks.

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    A local TV station posted a video of a band playing a piece. I want 
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Re: Just Appreciating the Accessibility of Apple Home Kit

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Mark,

Just curious, which thermostat did you choose?  We’ve got the Ecobee, but I’m 
considering replacing it.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:19 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> During the winter, I had a Home Kit compatible thermostat installed in my
> house.
> 
> I continue to truly appreciate the temperature control I now enjoy via iOS
> and iPad OS.
> 
> Until I installed this thermostat, I either had to turn the A/C either on or
> off.  The old legacy thermostats was simply not accessible to me as a blind
> person.
> 
> However, I recently began having Siri keep the house between 2 temperature
> set points such as 78 to 82 degrees. It is wonderful.  Now I know this is
> not a big deal for sighted people but, until now, I have not enjoyed this
> capability, completely independent of a sighted person.
> 
> When I am away from the house for any significant period of time, with the
> A/C off, I tell Siri to turn the A/C on before I get home and the house is
> already nice and cool.
> 
> Now I know this can be done with both Alexa and the Google assistant so I am
> not promoting Siri over anything; I just continue to be amazed at the level
> of accessibility that I never would have dreamed of 30 years ago.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Can I connect my HomePod to my mobile hot spot

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But if you’re accepting the hotel’s conditions, you’re doing so while connected 
to their network.  So wouldn’t that mean that the signal that would be repeated 
would be that of the hotel?  In that case, you would still have to reset the  
HomePod mini, because it wouldn’t be connecting to your home network.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 4, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Answer is after the question… 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:02 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks interesting, but I don’t see how it repeats your home SSID.  
>> Definitely worth further investigation, though. Thanks!
> You would set it up with that information before leaving. Then when you get 
> to the hotel you have this device talk to the hotel network and all of your 
> devices talk to this one. The difficulty comes when you have one of those 
> hotels that brings up a web page asking you to follow their conditions. My 
> understanding is that you initially accept that with your computer and then 
> make this router look like your computer to the hotel network.
> Of course the other question is how accessible is their control interface.
> I’ll be buying one of these for my next trip, but I don’t have any plans 
> until possibly the end of the year.
> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:50 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I decided to look this up now.
>>> 
>>> Here is a quick video of the device.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUILw91hiEY=23s
>>> 
>>> And here is a  link to it at Amazon.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MKZXGBy
>>> If you want to listen to a bunch of nerds discussing how wonderful it is it 
>>> is the last segment of this weeks Accidental Tech Podcast. 
>>> https://atp.fm/546
>>> •  Post-show: [Some] weird things that Casey does 7 of 7 which is probably 
>>> 2 hours into the podcast.
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Brad,
 
 That is what I had to do when I wanted to connect to a hotel network.  But 
 I figured that had something to do with their network.  Apple really ought 
 to make it easier to change networks, especially on the HomePod mini.  
 They’re so small that they’re great for travel, but having to reset them 
 both when you reach your destination and when you return home is a pain.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that to change the wifi network, you have to reset 
> the HomePod to factory settings, and start over.
> That is what I had to do when I changed my home wifi network.
> I’ve never tried it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the HomePod will not 
> connect to your iPhone hotspot.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 08:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, I guess you can tell by now that we’re having internet issues. Lol
> 
> Joe’s post yesterday got me to thinking.  Is there some way to connect a 
> HomePod to my iPhone’s mobile hot spot?  I’ve googled it, and it looks 
> like if I click on the Homepod in the Home app, there should be an option 
> that says Move to that would allow me to tell it to switch networks.  But 
> I do not see a move option.  Running IOS 16.6.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Editing PDF's with Voiceover

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Ok, all I’m really wanting to do at this point, is correct the spelling errors 
I’m constantly finding in these PDF’s I’m sent, a perfect example I’m always 
finding is the I is always left out of the word “financial,” so Voiceover will 
always pronounce it “financal”. 
What means would you think would be easiest for me to do this?
> On Aug 4, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> The process of turning an inaccessible PDF document into a document that can 
> be reviewed by a screen reader is called tagging.
> With tagging you can also indicate if an item is a heading or list item or a 
> paragraph.
> Depending on how well the OCR does, tagging to that level might be difficult 
> for a blind person.
> Certainly Adobe Acrobat (which I believe can be obtained for about $5/month) 
> can do tagging, but there are also non Adobe product that can do this. 
> Obviously the best solution is to start with a word or in-design document and 
> then convert it to a PDF. When one does things this way, most of the editors 
> styles will get directly converted into the appropriate tag in the PDF
> Also, I believe that Pnema solutions has a cloud based service that uses AI 
> to better convert scanned text into a usable pdf using AI for spelling 
> corrections and detecting font changes that might indicate  headers.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:43 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> Over the last few months, I’ve been getting PDF’s via e-mail which have 
>> mostly been news letters from the clients the company I work with 
>> audits/remediates for accessibility, and I check over them to make sure 
>> everything is readable.
>>  However, some of these I’ve been noticing have been scanned, but not 
>> proofread, because they are so riddled with spelling errors, which while 
>> this is technically not considered an accessibility violation, some of them 
>> are so bad they make the document borderline unreadable if you’re reading it 
>> with a screen reader.  However, I’m only using Adobe Acrobat Reader, and am 
>> wondering how doable the process to go through via Voiceover and edit these 
>> would be before I consider purchasing a license to do this.  Has anyone done 
>> this who could give me some pointers?
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Re: Editing PDF's with Voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

The process of turning an inaccessible PDF document into a document that can be 
reviewed by a screen reader is called tagging.
With tagging you can also indicate if an item is a heading or list item or a 
paragraph.
Depending on how well the OCR does, tagging to that level might be difficult 
for a blind person.
Certainly Adobe Acrobat (which I believe can be obtained for about $5/month) 
can do tagging, but there are also non Adobe product that can do this. 
Obviously the best solution is to start with a word or in-design document and 
then convert it to a PDF. When one does things this way, most of the editors 
styles will get directly converted into the appropriate tag in the PDF
Also, I believe that Pnema solutions has a cloud based service that uses AI to 
better convert scanned text into a usable pdf using AI for spelling corrections 
and detecting font changes that might indicate  headers.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:43 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Over the last few months, I’ve been getting PDF’s via e-mail which have 
> mostly been news letters from the clients the company I work with 
> audits/remediates for accessibility, and I check over them to make sure 
> everything is readable.
>  However, some of these I’ve been noticing have been scanned, but not 
> proofread, because they are so riddled with spelling errors, which while this 
> is technically not considered an accessibility violation, some of them are so 
> bad they make the document borderline unreadable if you’re reading it with a 
> screen reader.  However, I’m only using Adobe Acrobat Reader, and am 
> wondering how doable the process to go through via Voiceover and edit these 
> would be before I consider purchasing a license to do this.  Has anyone done 
> this who could give me some pointers?
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Re: Can I connect my HomePod to my mobile hot spot

[Jonathan Cohn]

Answer is after the question… 
> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:02 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks interesting, but I don’t see how it repeats your home SSID.  Definitely 
> worth further investigation, though. Thanks!
You would set it up with that information before leaving. Then when you get to 
the hotel you have this device talk to the hotel network and all of your 
devices talk to this one. The difficulty comes when you have one of those 
hotels that brings up a web page asking you to follow their conditions. My 
understanding is that you initially accept that with your computer and then 
make this router look like your computer to the hotel network.
Of course the other question is how accessible is their control interface.
I’ll be buying one of these for my next trip, but I don’t have any plans until 
possibly the end of the year.

>  
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:50 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I decided to look this up now.
>> 
>> Here is a quick video of the device.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUILw91hiEY=23s 
>> 
>> 
>> And here is a  link to it at Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MKZXGBy 
>> 
>> If you want to listen to a bunch of nerds discussing how wonderful it is it 
>> is the last segment of this weeks Accidental Tech Podcast. 
>> https://atp.fm/546 
>> •  Post-show: [Some] weird things that Casey does 7 of 7 which is probably 2 
>> hours into the podcast.
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> That is what I had to do when I wanted to connect to a hotel network.  But 
>>> I figured that had something to do with their network.  Apple really ought 
>>> to make it easier to change networks, especially on the HomePod mini.  
>>> They’re so small that they’re great for travel, but having to reset them 
>>> both when you reach your destination and when you return home is a pain.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 3, 2023, at 8:51 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 My understanding is that to change the wifi network, you have to reset the 
 HomePod to factory settings, and start over.
 That is what I had to do when I changed my home wifi network.
 I’ve never tried it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the HomePod will not 
 connect to your iPhone hotspot.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On Aug 3, 2023, at 08:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Well, I guess you can tell by now that we’re having internet issues. Lol
 
 Joe’s post yesterday got me to thinking.  Is there some way to connect a 
 HomePod to my iPhone’s mobile hot spot?  I’ve googled it, and it looks 
 like if I click on the Homepod in the Home app, there should be an option 
 that says Move to that would allow me to tell it to switch networks.  But 
 I do not see a move option.  Running IOS 16.6.
 TIA,
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