Re: Vän for Mac.

[John D. Lipsey]

Joseph,
How did you get Surf Shark to work accessibly on your Mac?
As I recall, when I tried it back in May or June, it was not a great accessible 
experience. Or maybe I'm just missing something?
Thanks in advance for any help/advice.
-John

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 22:17, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> I'm currently using something called surf shark. It's really good. I use it 
> for my Mac, iOS, and Android devices. They have something called dedicated IP 
> and what this does is. It allows you to choose a country of your choosing, so 
> I chose England and basically I'm the only one that has that address. I've 
> been able to listen to things such as BBC 5 or television that typically gets 
> blocked from these other services.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 4:54 PM Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> Hi!
> I have Nord Vpn on my Mac and my iOS devices.
> But its not that good now a days when it comes to streaming from BBC and such.
> So i was wondering if there are other accessible vans out there?
> For example, is the expressvpn accessible?
> Bless.
> /A
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Looking for PDF Pen 12 installer

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi List,
I am in the need of PDF Pen version 12 installer.
I reinstalled Monterey and the only version of the installer I have is version 
8.
That’s because when I had Big Sur, I upgraded from version 8 to version 12 
without downloading the installer.
And now I’m stuck because version 8 will not run on Monterey.
Thanks,
Rob
P.S.
I contacted Smile Software, and was told to contact Nitro the new owners of PDF 
Pen.
So now I am awaiting their reply.
I hope that they want make me purchase  version 13.

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Re: How to check battery level on a M2 Mac?

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi  I have  a  touch bar no  fn keys.

Maurice Mines.

> On Oct 28, 2023, at 19:30, matthew dyer  
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> Hi,  Yes it works on all machines that are on m1 such as the Mac book air m1.
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>> On Oct 28, 2023, at 2:15 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Pressing VO plus F7 once, twice, three times speaks  time and date, Battery 
>> level, signal strength respectively. I am running an Intel  Macbook air 
>> Ventura but I would have thought it would work on an M series. 
>> Ron.
>> 
>>> On 28 Oct 2023, at 17:41, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>>> Hi morris, the quickest way, I've always just checked battery level is by 
>>> hitting the OM twice and then using my quick navigation to get to where the 
>>> battery is. I don't believe that there is a keystroke for that.
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 Hi  the  subject line says  it  all. Is  there a key stroke in Vo that 
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Re: How to check battery level on a M2 Mac?

[matthew dyer]

Hi,  Yes it works on all machines that are on m1 such as the Mac book air m1.

Matthew



> On Oct 28, 2023, at 2:15 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
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> Pressing VO plus F7 once, twice, three times speaks  time and date, Battery 
> level, signal strength respectively. I am running an Intel  Macbook air 
> Ventura but I would have thought it would work on an M series. 
> Ron.
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2023, at 17:41, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi morris, the quickest way, I've always just checked battery level is by 
>> hitting the OM twice and then using my quick navigation to get to where the 
>> battery is. I don't believe that there is a keystroke for that.
>> Joseph Hudson
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>> 
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>>> Hi  the  subject line says  it  all. Is  there a key stroke in Vo that will 
>>>  quickly give  me  battery info?
>>> 
>>> Maurice Mines.
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Re: How to check battery level on a M2 Mac?

['Ron S' via MacVisionaries]

Pressing VO plus F7 once, twice, three times speaks  time and date, Battery 
level, signal strength respectively. I am running an Intel  Macbook air Ventura 
but I would have thought it would work on an M series. 
Ron.

> On 28 Oct 2023, at 17:41, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi morris, the quickest way, I've always just checked battery level is by 
> hitting the OM twice and then using my quick navigation to get to where the 
> battery is. I don't believe that there is a keystroke for that.
> Joseph Hudson
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>> On Oct 28, 2023, at 12:29 AM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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>> Hi  the  subject line says  it  all. Is  there a key stroke in Vo that will  
>> quickly give  me  battery info?
>> 
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Re: How to check battery level on a M2 Mac?

[joseph hudson]

Hi morris, the quickest way, I've always just checked battery level is by 
hitting the OM twice and then using my quick navigation to get to where the 
battery is. I don't believe that there is a keystroke for that.
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Re: Watch OS 10.1 drains battery

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, well I haven’t really noticed that for my Apple Watch 5 but sometimes it 
could help to reset the watch and start from scratch.
Otherwise you can go to the apple feedback form on apple site.
I can not remember if its apple.com/feedback  or 
feedback.apple.com 
Bless.
/A

> 28 okt. 2023 kl. 02:33 skrev sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com:
> 
> All:
> Anyone having issues with watch OS 10.1 draining battery? My series 4 doesn’t 
> even last half a day. Its not the age of the watch. Was working fine on Watch 
> OS 9.
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Re: Watch OS 10.1 drains battery

[Brian Moore]

yes, I am seeing this too.


On 2023-10-27 8:33 p.m., sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:


All:

Anyone having issues with watch OS 10.1 draining battery? My series 4 
doesn’t even last half a day. Its not the age of the watch. Was 
working fine on Watch OS 9.


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