Re: Command for downloads folder no longer opens up my downloads in Sonoma can anybody help?

2023-12-01 Thread joseph hudson 
Thanks guys, Herbie restart worked.
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> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:24 PM, 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
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> Same here, I’m on the latest version of Sonoma here, and command-option-l 
> works fine for me as well, opens my downloads folder fine.
>   
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>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 9:22 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Try restarting your machine? I have updated and it still works for me.
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 20:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys, I'm running the latest version of Sonoma, and I'm having an issue. 
>>> I need to open my downloads folder in order to copy a file to email. 
>>> Unfortunately command option in the letter L no longer work what is going 
>>> on here?
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Re: Command for downloads folder no longer opens up my downloads in Sonoma can anybody help?

2023-12-01 Thread 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
Same here, I’m on the latest version of Sonoma here, and command-option-l works 
fine for me as well, opens my downloads folder fine.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 9:22 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Try restarting your machine? I have updated and it still works for me.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 20:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>> Hi guys, I'm running the latest version of Sonoma, and I'm having an issue. 
>> I need to open my downloads folder in order to copy a file to email. 
>> Unfortunately command option in the letter L no longer work what is going on 
>> here?
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Re: Command for downloads folder no longer opens up my downloads in Sonoma can anybody help?

2023-12-01 Thread joseph hudson 
OK I'll give that a try. Thanks.
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> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Try restarting your machine? I have updated and it still works for me.
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 20:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys, I'm running the latest version of Sonoma, and I'm having an issue. 
>> I need to open my downloads folder in order to copy a file to email. 
>> Unfortunately command option in the letter L no longer work what is going on 
>> here?
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Re: Command for downloads folder no longer opens up my downloads in Sonoma can anybody help?

2023-12-01 Thread Herbie Allen 
Try restarting your machine? I have updated and it still works for me.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 20:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hi guys, I'm running the latest version of Sonoma, and I'm having an issue. I 
> need to open my downloads folder in order to copy a file to email. 
> Unfortunately command option in the letter L no longer work what is going on 
> here?
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Command for downloads folder no longer opens up my downloads in Sonoma can anybody help?

2023-12-01 Thread joseph hudson 
Hi guys, I'm running the latest version of Sonoma, and I'm having an issue. I 
need to open my downloads folder in order to copy a file to email. 
Unfortunately command option in the letter L no longer work what is going on 
here?

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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Steve Matzura 

To download more voices for VoiceOver:


1. Open your Mac's System Preferences.
2. Select Accessibility>Spoken Content:
3. Click on the system voice:
4. On the menu that appears, scroll the bottom and click on Manage Voices...
5. A list of extra downloadable voices will appear. ...
6. The voices will now be downloaded.
list end


On 12/1/2023 8:15 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 
channels. I’m just a folkie after all.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Steve Matzura 
Everything's USB now, whether it's A, C, or Thunderbolt. All monitors 
are HDMI, no more VGA. Yes, you can certainly get Y adapters.



On 12/1/2023 8:12 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my 
old one which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old 
Mac but I did have an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.



On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. 
I have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use 
the speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s 
running Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my 
speakers and my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this 
one. is there a way to have both plugged in to this computer? 
there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use 
a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and 
if not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back 
just above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in 
between. By the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with 
a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. 
Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components 
inside a can that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged 
into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there 
is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the 
front edge. The new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

2023-12-01 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
I would suggest getting a top of the line AIR instead of a base model MacBook 
Pro. They should be about the same price but the additional memory and storage 
will probably be more beneficial then Ray tracing or a few more cores in  the 
processor.
But then I’m still running a 2015 Mac Book Air 11.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> the m3 chip. I'm not a power user anymore so I'm thinking this will do fine.
> I'm just wondering about a few things such as, is the M2 chip in the 15 inch 
> MacBookAir that much less powerful than the M3 in the MacBookPro, and is the 
> Air worth considering?
> Then there is the external keyboard question. I need an external to minimize 
> the impact on carpal tunnel and the Magic keyboards seem to have some  
> features like touch ID, and keypad. I don't need the keypad, but the touch ID 
> might be useful. Is touch ID worth the extra money? Currently I get by just 
> fine with an old external apple keyboard with no features, but I don't know 
> what the newest machines are like and what might be a real benefit.
> I'd appreciate any helpful information you can give me on the latest and 
> greatest from Apple Macs.
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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Lorie McCloud 
can you tell me how to download Alex?

I should probably get a mixer. I’d probably only need about 8 channels. I’m 
just a folkie after all.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
 different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
 also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
 to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
 
 there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
 for.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
>>> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Lorie McCloud 
could I get a Y adapter that would work? of course this worked on my old one 
which was a late 2014. I know I didn’t have a mic on my old Mac but I did have 
an input jack and I don’t think I do on this one.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 6:50 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Alex must be downloaded.
> 
> 
> 
> The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.
> 
> 
> 
> You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one didn't, 
> either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I have mine 
> connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the speaker jack in 
> the back strictly for VoiceOver.
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
>> Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my 
>> headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have 
>> both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I 
>> suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.
>> 
>> the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
>> where is he?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorie,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
>>> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the 
>>> heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're 
>>> not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
>>> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
>>> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
>>> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
>>> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. 
>>> The Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front 
>>> edge. The new ones don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are 
 different from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? 
 also there are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have 
 to get a usb hub. what kind do I need?
 
 there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're 
 for.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
>>> 
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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Steve Matzura 

Alex must be downloaded.


The problem with your audio isn't the Mac, it's probably your Y adapter.


You are correct that Mac Mini's don't have microphones. Your last one 
didn't, either. Mine from 2012 didn't and the one from 2020 doesn't. I 
have mine connected to my 32-channel digital mixing console. I use the 
speaker jack in the back strictly for VoiceOver.



On 12/1/2023 3:20 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running 
Ventura. on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and 
my headphones. that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a 
way to have both plugged in to this computer? there’s no place for a 
microphone either I suppose I’ll have to use a usb mic.


the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if 
not, where is he?


thanks.

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  
wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie




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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Steve Matzura 

Yes.


On 11/30/2023 8:47 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I was wrong about the dongle. it fits perfectly. so are the 
thunderbold ports the small ones?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:16 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:



Oh, I forgot, Anker makes great hubs. Their ten-port 65-watt hub is 
compact and has not only seven active powered USB 3 ports, but three 
more just for charging--i.e., not connected to the computer at the 
other end. I have two of these--one on my desk for various things 
connected to my own Mini, and one in my computing go-bag with lots of 
cables for when I go out on repair jobs and sometimes training.


3

On 11/30/2023 8:09 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


Lorie,


If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two 
USB-A ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just 
above the heat dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By 
the way, if you're not going to be using your Mini with a monitor, 
get yourself a Fit Headless donble for that HDMI port. Costs about 
five dollars. It's just a couple electronic components inside a can 
that make your Mini think there's a monitor plugged into it when 
there isn't one. You are correct, though, that there is no SD card 
slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The Mini I got 
in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. The 
new ones don't.



On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there are 
only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb hub. 
what kind do I need?

there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.

thanks.
Lorie

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Apple mail on Ventura

2023-12-01 Thread Lorie McCloud 
how do I get the junk folder to come up? I’ve located everything else quite 
nicely but I can’t find junk. I like to look through it once in awhile andfind 
mail that may have gone in there. mistakenly.

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Re: new Mac Mini

2023-12-01 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I have some more questions. this is a 2023 Mac. Mini and it’s running Ventura. 
on my old one I had a Y in which were plugged my speakers and my headphones. 
that isn’t working very well on this one. is there a way to have both plugged 
in to this computer? there’s no place for a microphone either I suppose I’ll 
have to use a usb mic.

the voices available are different. did they do away with Alex and if not, 
where is he?

thanks.

> On Nov 30, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Lorie,
> 
> 
> 
> If the Mini from today is anything like mine from 2020, it has two USB-A 
> ports and two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports, all along the back just above the heat 
> dissipation vent, with the HDMI port in between. By the way, if you're not 
> going to be using your Mini with a monitor, get yourself a Fit Headless 
> donble for that HDMI port. Costs about five dollars. It's just a couple 
> electronic components inside a can that make your Mini think there's a 
> monitor plugged into it when there isn't one. You are correct, though, that 
> there is no SD card slot. Another thing they took away is the power lamp. The 
> Mini I got in 2012 had a bright red LED power indicator on the front edge. 
> The new ones don't.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/30/2023 7:16 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just got a new Mac Mini. there are some things about it that are different 
>> from my old one. I can't find an sd card slot. does it have one? also there 
>> are only 2 usb ports and I need at least 3. I'll probably have to get a usb 
>> hub. what kind do I need?
>> 
>> there are some other little ports on it and I have no idea what they're for.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

2023-12-01 Thread Phil Halton 
I currently use a MacBook Air 2013 and maybe it's the season, but I'm thinking 
of upgrading. I'm looking at a base model MacBookPro 14 inch with the m3 chip. 
I'm not a power user anymore so I'm thinking this will do fine.
I'm just wondering about a few things such as, is the M2 chip in the 15 inch 
MacBookAir that much less powerful than the M3 in the MacBookPro, and is the 
Air worth considering?
Then there is the external keyboard question. I need an external to minimize 
the impact on carpal tunnel and the Magic keyboards seem to have some  features 
like touch ID, and keypad. I don't need the keypad, but the touch ID might be 
useful. Is touch ID worth the extra money? Currently I get by just fine with an 
old external apple keyboard with no features, but I don't know what the newest 
machines are like and what might be a real benefit.
I'd appreciate any helpful information you can give me on the latest and 
greatest from Apple Macs.

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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

2023-12-01 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 



On 30/11/23 21:22, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
There is also a dedicated SR for for the terminal. I heard about it 
but I have not  actually tried it out at all.

It doesn't seem to support braille output, so it isn't an option for me.

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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

2023-12-01 Thread Brandon Olivares 
So what’s the benefit of this Terminal screen reader over just using VoiceOver? 
I’ve used the terminal in Mac since I got my first Mac 13 years ago and never 
had a problem with it.

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:17 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
>> Jonathan,
> 
> Thanks for the pointer on that terminal screen reader. Instal was a snap and 
> it works great for what it does. Alpine and Lynx are working well for example 
> as are basic terminal commands and reading the output.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> There is also a dedicated SR for for the terminal. I heard about it but I 
>> have not  actually tried it out at all.  We discussed it at the NY Public 
>> Library Mac VoiceOver discussion that occurs monthly on Saturdays.
>> Apple Vis link below:
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-gnulinux
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:20 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 30/11/23 07:28, Kelly Ford wrote:
 Does anyone have a suggestion on how to read Terminal windows with 
 VoiceOver on the Mac a line at a time?
>>> While interacting with the terminal widget, VO-Up/Down-Arrow should read 
>>> the text a line at a time.
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Re: Reading Terminal Windows with VoiceOver

2023-12-01 Thread Kelly Ford 
Jonathan,

Thanks for the pointer on that terminal screen reader. Instal was a snap and it 
works great for what it does. Alpine and Lynx are working well for example as 
are basic terminal commands and reading the output.

Kelly


On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

There is also a dedicated SR for for the terminal. I heard about it but I have 
not  actually tried it out at all.  We discussed it at the NY Public Library 
Mac VoiceOver discussion that occurs monthly on Saturdays.
Apple Vis link below:
https://www.applevis.com/blog/announcing-tdsr-command-line-screen-reader-macintosh-gnulinux
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Nov 30, 2023, at 8:20 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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On 30/11/23 07:28, Kelly Ford wrote:
Does anyone have a suggestion on how to read Terminal windows with VoiceOver on 
the Mac a line at a time?
While interacting with the terminal widget, VO-Up/Down-Arrow should read the 
text a line at a time.

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