clicking buttons on my Mac

2023-12-03 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I’ve been having trouble clicking buttons on websites using Safari on my new 
Mac. I can have the button in focus. I even press vo-command-f5 to make sure 
I’m really there but I try to. click it and nothing happens. I click using 
vo-space as I always have. what setting might I need to check in the vo utility 
to facilitate this action? I’ve tried it on a couple of sites sith no luck so I 
don’t think it’s just that one site.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

2023-12-03 Thread Phil Halton 
Well, I decided on the MacBook Pro with M3 and a 16 GB memory upgrade. But then I noticed that I couldn’t get it for 2 1/2 weeks whereas the base models were all available that day. So, I made an emotional decision and upgraded to the MacBook Pro with M3 Pro which has 18 gig unified ram. Yes, I went ahead and made an emotional decision and bought because I wanted it that day. Anyway, it’s a great machine probably more than I need, but that’s OK too. I do do some sound processing and I just like the MacBook Pro over the air. So far I’m pretty happy with it I finally got everything installed the way I like it and it’s gonna be a great machine I can tell. Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 3, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:Well, I implied the M2 vs M3 debate.Right now only Mac Book Pros have the M3 series of chips, the AIR  still come with M2.The MacBookPro do have a display that is twice as bright if you have vision that can take advantage of that.All of the MacBooks’s power buttons double as touch ID, so if you have enough dexterity to use the power button then you shouldn’t need to have touch ID on the keyboard.That being said, if you are not traveling with the computer then getting a MacMini might be a good idea. You can hook up a very inexpensive display or the Studio display and get as powerful a system without paying for a keyboard and/or display  that you don’t plan to use. Generally, unless you manage what’s is open on your system, having more shared memory will be more important than  additional cores which is what the M3 is giving you. If you are doing sound processing or visual processing then you might need the extra processing of the M3. If you are doing eMail and Web browsing or small business accounting, I would expect putting the cost difference between a AIR with M2 and a Pro with M3 would better be placed in shared memory or additional storage.  
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:35 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:Jonathan, thanks for answering. Do you have anything more substantial to say about the reasons why you would suggest the air over the MacBook Pro? For example how about my question concerning the  M2 chip in the MacBook Air versus the M3 chip in the MacBook Pro? And also about the touch ID sensor on the external keyboards?Sent from my IPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:I would suggest getting a top of the line AIR instead of a base model MacBook Pro. They should be about the same price but the additional memory and storage will probably be more beneficial then Ray tracing or a few more cores in  the processor.But then I’m still running a 2015 Mac Book Air 11.
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:I currently use a MacBook Air 2013 and maybe it's the season, but I'm thinking of upgrading. I'm looking at a base model MacBookPro 14 inch with the m3 chip. I'm not a power user anymore so I'm thinking this will do fine.I'm just wondering about a few things such as, is the M2 chip in the 15 inch MacBookAir that much less powerful than the M3 in the MacBookPro, and is the Air worth considering?Then there is the external keyboard question. I need an external to minimize the impact on carpal tunnel and the Magic keyboards seem to have some  features like touch ID, and keypad. I don't need the keypad, but the touch ID might be useful. Is touch ID worth the extra money? Currently I get by just fine with an old external apple keyboard with no features, but I don't know what the newest machines are like and what might be a real benefit.I'd appreciate any helpful information you can give me on the latest and greatest from Apple Macs.Sent from my IPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3A0BCE88-11C8-4DE4-ACE7-9125C5E4D0E9%40gmail.com.

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Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

2023-12-03 Thread joseph hodge 
Its kind of wide the keys to go would more than likely. My wife uses a wider 
one but my mom can barely put a phone in hers so it depends lol.

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 9:13 PM,  
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> I personally like the Logitech K3 80. It has nice keys.
> There's also another one called logitech keys to go, but for me that one's 
> too squishy.
> 
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>> I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. 
>> Merry Christmas to me! LOL.
>> I’m loving it.
>> Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
>> recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I 
>> can carry for travel as well. 
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Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

2023-12-03 Thread Yolanda Thompson 
A medium sized purse on up. I like mine a lot.

On 12/3/23, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Will the 380 fit in a purse?
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> I personally like the Logitech K3 80. It has nice keys.
>
> There's also another one called logitech keys to go, but for me that one's
> too squishy.
>
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>
>
> On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:57 PM,   >   > wrote:
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> All:
>
> I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving.
> Merry Christmas to me! LOL.
>
> I’m loving it.
>
> Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone
> recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I
> can carry for travel as well.
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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

2023-12-03 Thread sarai.bucciarelli 
Will the 380 fit in a purse?

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2023 7:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

 

I personally like the Logitech K3 80. It has nice keys.

There's also another one called logitech keys to go, but for me that one's too 
squishy.





On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:57 PM, mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> > mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

All:

I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.

I’m loving it.

Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
carry for travel as well. 

 

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Re: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

2023-12-03 Thread joseph hodge 
I personally like the Logitech K3 80. It has nice keys.
There's also another one called logitech keys to go, but for me that one's too 
squishy.

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 8:57 PM,  
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> I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. 
> Merry Christmas to me! LOL.
> I’m loving it.
> Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
> recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I 
> can carry for travel as well. 
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Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

2023-12-03 Thread sarai.bucciarelli 
All:

I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving.
Merry Christmas to me! LOL.

I'm loving it.

Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I
can carry for travel as well. 

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Re: Old dinosaur looking to upgrade

2023-12-03 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Well, I implied the M2 vs M3 debate.
Right now only Mac Book Pros have the M3 series of chips, the AIR  still come 
with M2.
The MacBookPro do have a display that is twice as bright if you have vision 
that can take advantage of that.

All of the MacBooks’s power buttons double as touch ID, so if you have enough 
dexterity to use the power button then you shouldn’t need to have touch ID on 
the keyboard.
That being said, if you are not traveling with the computer then getting a 
MacMini might be a good idea. You can hook up a very inexpensive display or the 
Studio display and get as powerful a system without paying for a keyboard 
and/or display  that you don’t plan to use. 

Generally, unless you manage what’s is open on your system, having more shared 
memory will be more important than  additional cores which is what the M3 is 
giving you. 
If you are doing sound processing or visual processing then you might need the 
extra processing of the M3. If you are doing eMail and Web browsing or small 
business accounting, I would expect putting the cost difference between a AIR 
with M2 and a Pro with M3 would better be placed in shared memory or additional 
storage.
  

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 2, 2023, at 8:35 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> Jonathan, thanks for answering. Do you have anything more substantial to say 
> about the reasons why you would suggest the air over the MacBook Pro? For 
> example how about my question concerning the  M2 chip in the MacBook Air 
> versus the M3 chip in the MacBook Pro? And also about the touch ID sensor on 
> the external keyboards?
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest getting a top of the line AIR instead of a base model 
>> MacBook Pro. They should be about the same price but the additional memory 
>> and storage will probably be more beneficial then Ray tracing or a few more 
>> cores in  the processor.
>> But then I’m still running a 2015 Mac Book Air 11.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:21 PM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I currently use a MacBook Air 2013 and maybe it's the season, but I'm 
>>> thinking of upgrading. I'm looking at a base model MacBookPro 14 inch with 
>>> the m3 chip. I'm not a power user anymore so I'm thinking this will do fine.
>>> I'm just wondering about a few things such as, is the M2 chip in the 15 
>>> inch MacBookAir that much less powerful than the M3 in the MacBookPro, and 
>>> is the Air worth considering?
>>> Then there is the external keyboard question. I need an external to 
>>> minimize the impact on carpal tunnel and the Magic keyboards seem to have 
>>> some  features like touch ID, and keypad. I don't need the keypad, but the 
>>> touch ID might be useful. Is touch ID worth the extra money? Currently I 
>>> get by just fine with an old external apple keyboard with no features, but 
>>> I don't know what the newest machines are like and what might be a real 
>>> benefit.
>>> I'd appreciate any helpful information you can give me on the latest and 
>>> greatest from Apple Macs.
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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

2023-12-03 Thread Brad Snyder 
This is true, however if VO output is routed somewhere other than the system 
default, it will not be heard through screen share.

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On Dec 3, 2023, at 08:33, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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On 3/12/23 09:29, Brad Snyder wrote:
> Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen share, 
> then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you should be good.
If I remember rightly, when you enable screen sharing, there's an option 
(typically a check box) to share system audio as well. If this is not enabled, 
only video is shared.

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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

2023-12-03 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 



On 3/12/23 09:29, Brad Snyder wrote:

Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen share, 
then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you should be good.
If I remember rightly, when you enable screen sharing, there's an option 
(typically a check box) to share system audio as well. If this is not 
enabled, only video is shared.


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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

2023-12-03 Thread Brad Snyder 
Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen share, 
then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you should be good.

- Brad -

On Dec 3, 2023, at 06:06, Herbie Allen  wrote:

That is a thing with Rogueamoeba products with M1 Macs, However, I have helped 
a number of people through this process and they have had no issues afterwards, 
so it is safe. You can also do Screen Share, but Loopback is a better way as 
you it’s easier, and you don’t have to worry about how the meeting permissions 
are set.

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:29, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The last time I played with Rogue Amoeba software, the installer wanted
> permission to overwrite part of Apple's kernel space. Assuming even that
> there may be no malware involved, it still seems a risky thing to do
> just from a functionality perspective relating to other applications.
> 
> John Dowling writes:
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  You could always try Loopback by Rogue Amoeba.
>> 
>>  A license costs $100, but it's totally worth it.
>> 
>>  You can get it here:
>> 
>>  social-banner-loopback.png
>>  [1]Loopback - Cable-free audio routing for Mac
>>  [2]rogueamoeba.com
>>  John Dowling, JR.
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>>On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Dear All:
>>  I have the need for Voice Over TTS audio on certain Zoom calls. How can
>>  this be accomplished?
>>  I'm currently able to share other audio, but my TTS isn't being picked
>>  up. Should I change the output device perhaps?
>>  Thanks for any suggestions,
>>  Janina
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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

2023-12-03 Thread Herbie Allen 
That is a thing with Rogueamoeba products with M1 Macs, However, I have helped 
a number of people through this process and they have had no issues afterwards, 
so it is safe. You can also do Screen Share, but Loopback is a better way as 
you it’s easier, and you don’t have to worry about how the meeting permissions 
are set.

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:29, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The last time I played with Rogue Amoeba software, the installer wanted
> permission to overwrite part of Apple's kernel space. Assuming even that
> there may be no malware involved, it still seems a risky thing to do
> just from a functionality perspective relating to other applications.
> 
> John Dowling writes:
>>   Hi,
>> 
>>   You could always try Loopback by Rogue Amoeba.
>> 
>>   A license costs $100, but it's totally worth it.
>> 
>>   You can get it here:
>> 
>>   social-banner-loopback.png
>>   [1]Loopback - Cable-free audio routing for Mac
>>   [2]rogueamoeba.com
>>   John Dowling, JR.
>>   RAMPD Pro member
>> 
>>   [3]https://rampd.org/profile/john-dowling-jr
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   Dear All:
>>   I have the need for Voice Over TTS audio on certain Zoom calls. How can
>>   this be accomplished?
>>   I'm currently able to share other audio, but my TTS isn't being picked
>>   up. Should I change the output device perhaps?
>>   Thanks for any suggestions,
>>   Janina
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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

2023-12-03 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
The last time I played with Rogue Amoeba software, the installer wanted
permission to overwrite part of Apple's kernel space. Assuming even that
there may be no malware involved, it still seems a risky thing to do
just from a functionality perspective relating to other applications.

John Dowling writes:
>Hi,
> 
>You could always try Loopback by Rogue Amoeba.
> 
>A license costs $100, but it's totally worth it.
> 
>You can get it here:
> 
>social-banner-loopback.png
>[1]Loopback - Cable-free audio routing for Mac
>[2]rogueamoeba.com
>John Dowling, JR.
>RAMPD Pro member
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>  On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>   wrote:
> 
>Dear All:
>I have the need for Voice Over TTS audio on certain Zoom calls. How can
>this be accomplished?
>I'm currently able to share other audio, but my TTS isn't being picked
>up. Should I change the output device perhaps?
>Thanks for any suggestions,
>Janina
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A Question for Focus 40 Blue 5th Generation Braille Display Users

2023-12-03 Thread M. Taylor 
Hello All,

I tried searching the archives but cannot seem to locate any recent threads
on the following question:

A couple of days ago I purchased a new Focus 40 Blue 5th Gen braille Display
from Freedom Scientific.  What a marvelous device.  It works like a champ on
both the latest version of Windows (with the latest release of Fusion) as
well as my beloved Windows 7 PC which is running Jaws v15 (The Win7 PC is
not connected to the Internet).

I seem to recall that some iOS and/or Mac OS users reported that there was
some kind of unexpected glitch with the 5th gen braille displays when
connecting to iOS and / or Mac OS but I cannot remember what the glitch was
and in which OS it occurred and if the glitch had been resolved in a
subsequent version of the OS.

I am going to setup the display with my beloved 14 running the latest
version of iOS 16 but wanted to check here, first, to see if there are any
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