Re: Using What's up on both a Mac and a iPhone.

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi I linked my  phone and  my  Mac book together. So  that  items show up  on  
both. I  am  deafblind so I  must  use  braille with ether device that  I am  
using at the  time.

Maurice Mines.

Thanks to  the  group for  answering my  question.

> On Jan 15, 2024, at 01:17, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:
> 
> For me, I use WhatsApp only on my iPhone. If I need to share something via 
> WhatsApp from Mac OS, I just copy it on Mac and paste on iPhone. I can also 
> do the other way around.
> 
> Hope it helps, 
> 
> Mohamed E. Fayed 
> 
>> On 15 Jan 2024, at 2:16 AM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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>> Hi  is  What’s up  useable on  both My  Mac and  my  iPhone 2022 Se?
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.
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Re: Seeing AI

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Thanks for this input, Lorie. It gives me an idea where to focus my 
attention next time I use the app.


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On 1/14/2024 8:27 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

when it starts making the tones, I usually lower it a little and start moving 
slowly back and forth or sometimes in a circular motion. the closer you get, 
the faster or closer together the tones will get. I’ve had a few times where 
they were really. going fast and still the bar code wasn’t recognized. usually 
though, it’ll do that for a few seconds and then read the bar code.

I only use this if I’m looking for cooking instructions. I can get the Short 
Text setting to read me what it is. I have a lot more trouble getting it to 
read cooking instructions.


On Jan 14, 2024, at 6:38 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   When you find the bar code and start hearing the rapid tones, do you detect 
any hint that helps to locate the sweet spot?

   Locating bar codes in itself is easy as they are always in specific 
locations, be it cans, boxes or bags.

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On 1/14/2024 2:41 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

I actually rarely have problems with it. I use it a lot to check cans of cat 
food, but I’ve learned around where the barcode is, so it usually works for me. 
I hold it around 6 inches or so from the camera and slowly rotate until it 
works.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Jessica Moss 
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI
I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan that 
way.

On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther away 
from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can move in 
closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and then when 
seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.”


On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello all,
  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the sweet 
spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on this? 
Thanks.

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Re: Seeing AI

[Lorie McCloud]

when it starts making the tones, I usually lower it a little and start moving 
slowly back and forth or sometimes in a circular motion. the closer you get, 
the faster or closer together the tones will get. I’ve had a few times where 
they were really. going fast and still the bar code wasn’t recognized. usually 
though, it’ll do that for a few seconds and then read the bar code.

I only use this if I’m looking for cooking instructions. I can get the Short 
Text setting to read me what it is. I have a lot more trouble getting it to 
read cooking instructions.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 6:38 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   When you find the bar code and start hearing the rapid tones, do you detect 
> any hint that helps to locate the sweet spot?
> 
>   Locating bar codes in itself is easy as they are always in specific 
> locations, be it cans, boxes or bags.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 1/14/2024 2:41 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:
>> I actually rarely have problems with it. I use it a lot to check cans of cat 
>> food, but I’ve learned around where the barcode is, so it usually works for 
>> me. I hold it around 6 inches or so from the camera and slowly rotate until 
>> it works.
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Jessica Moss 
>> Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 5:39 PM
>> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Seeing AI
>> I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
>> resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
>> way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan 
>> that way.
>>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
>>> where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther 
>>> away from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can 
>>> move in closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and 
>>> then when seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.”
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
 sweet spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on 
 this? Thanks.
 
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Re: Using What's up on both a Mac and a iPhone.

[Mohamed Fayed]

For me, I use WhatsApp only on my iPhone. If I need to share something via 
WhatsApp from Mac OS, I just copy it on Mac and paste on iPhone. I can also do 
the other way around.

Hope it helps, 

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 15 Jan 2024, at 2:16 AM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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> Hi  is  What’s up  useable on  both My  Mac and  my  iPhone 2022 Se?
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> Maurice Mines.
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Re: Using What's up on both a Mac and a iPhone.

[Herbie Allen]

YES

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 18:16, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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> Hi  is  What’s up  useable on  both My  Mac and  my  iPhone 2022 Se?
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> Maurice Mines.
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Re: Seeing AI

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   When you find the bar code and start hearing the rapid tones, do you 
detect any hint that helps to locate the sweet spot?


   Locating bar codes in itself is easy as they are always in specific 
locations, be it cans, boxes or bags.


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On 1/14/2024 2:41 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

I actually rarely have problems with it. I use it a lot to check cans of cat 
food, but I’ve learned around where the barcode is, so it usually works for me. 
I hold it around 6 inches or so from the camera and slowly rotate until it 
works.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
Jessica Moss 
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI
I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan that 
way.


On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther away 
from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can move in 
closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and then when 
seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.”


On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello all,
  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the sweet 
spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on this? 
Thanks.

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-Helen Keller
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Virus Alert Etc.

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Hello Everyone,
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Using What's up on both a Mac and a iPhone.

[Maurice A. Mines]

Hi  is  What’s up  useable on  both My  Mac and  my  iPhone 2022 Se?

Maurice Mines.

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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Scott,

I’m a little surprised Mike didn’t get back to you.  He was extremely helpful 
to me, and very responsive to my questions.  Damian is less responsive it 
seems, but since Mike is in charge of tech support, it wasn’t too much of a big 
deal. But for what it’s worth, I sent quite a few messages to Helptech in 
Germany while I was trying to sort through things.  It was during Christmas, of 
course, and their offices were closed until the 8.  But it’s been a week now, 
and I still haven’t received a response to any of my messages.  I didn’t want 
to include that in the review, but that would seem to be yet another reason not 
to purchase an Activator.

I did read the section in the Manual on Android briefly.  From what I saw, it 
just talked about using it with Android via bluetooth.  But since I had no way 
to confirm that, I also didn’t want to include it.

What do you mean by your comment that Launching apps is as simple as pressing 
dot 8 and then typing the app name?  Which display are you talking about there?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:35 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
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> Nice review, Donna!
> Part of why I have not published an article on this device is because Dream 
> Vision never responded to a couple of questions I had. One of them being the 
> lack of ability to connect to Android. I was hoping to get official 
> confirmation of this before throwing it into the universe, but here we are.
> I agree, for that much money, it has quite a bit of progress to make before 
> it's ready for the masses. It feels like a beta device to me. The file 
> transfer thing with the dock is neat. However, USB-C support is emerging for 
> other devices, so that's not unique. The news service is, but launching apps 
> is now as simple as pressing dot 8, typing the first word of the app, and 
> then activating it. 2 years ago, this would have been a huge hit, though. The 
> easiest way to check the battery status is when you turn the Activator on. 
> It's displayed as part of the opening message or whatever you want to call 
> it. What would have been the harm in creating a keyboard shortcut to check 
> the battery status like what is found on every other device out there?
> 
> Just my perspective,
> Scott
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Hi Sabahattin,
>> 
>> You’re welcome.  The interface with the iPhone is definitely worth being 
>> excited about.  But I came to the conclusion that it didn’t offset the other 
>> minuses, as you can tell.  I find it strange and ironic that they designed 
>> this display that is clearly intended to function in the Appleverse, and 
>> then tied it to a PC for things like updating.  I get that people with 
>> iPhones do have PCs, but you’d think that they would have made either an 
>> iPhone or a Mac updating method available.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> > On Jan 10, 2024, at 2:41 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Thank you for an excellent review, Donnah.
>> > 
>> > I guess unsurprisingly, the part that interests me most is thecombination 
>> > of iPhone and Activator, since that's clearly the dominant use case, but 
>> > the assembly sounds rather brittle and then the issue of newer USB-C 
>> > iphones. I won't be buying any time soon, but I'd be interested to see how 
>> > this develops.
>> > 
>> > Some of the other stuff is rather less inspiring though. Windows is at 
>> > fault for the USB issues, though presumably that will get fixed, however 
>> > the requirement to use Windows to update firmware just makes me sad. 
>> > Again, I hope there's a fix, in some not-too-distant future. The interface 
>> > sounds rather primitive though, which strikes me as a bit of a red flag 
>> > seeing as how it's supposed to improve on the iPhone for editing tasks. 
>> > All the technology in the world can't help if it's not efficient to use 
>> > for that, and since the whole point is to marry that efficiency with your 
>> > existing phone's functionality, rather than replacing it, they probably 
>> > need to improve their software considerably for me to consider switching 
>> > away from a Focus or any display with stored Braille input capability. 
>> > Again, I'll be interested to see how others find it after they've done 
>> > some more work on their software.
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Re: How does one Ctrl Click?

[Mike Arrigo]

You can also move voiceover to the item you want to control click, than press 
VO+command+F5 to move the mouse to that item, then choose to right click the 
mouse from the voiceover menu. If you do this frequently you can define a 
keyboard command or trackpad gesture for it.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 5:08 PM, Brandon Olivares  
> wrote:
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> Generally control-click is the same thing as bringing up the context menu, 
> which in VoiceOver is VO-shift-M.
>  From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: How does one Ctrl Click?
> Since with VoiceOver the click event already requires the Control key,
> i.e. VO Spacebar,
> how does one then Control Click an object?
> 
> I'm trying to follow instructions from the support pages for Logic Pro
> which say to Control Click the Control Bar, etc.
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Re: How does one Ctrl Click?

[Brandon Olivares]

Generally control-click is the same thing as bringing up the context menu, 
which in VoiceOver is VO-shift-M.

From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: How does one Ctrl Click?
Since with VoiceOver the click event already requires the Control key,
i.e. VO Spacebar,
how does one then Control Click an object?

I'm trying to follow instructions from the support pages for Logic Pro
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Re: Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier ???

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, very good news indeed!

Janina

lenron brown writes:
> I am pretty excited about this change.
> 
> On 1/10/24, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Well that sounds great.
> > When that comes out I will remove this old one and get the full security
> > thing back.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> >
> >> 10 jan. 2024 kl. 05:12 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> >>
> >> This sounds like great news.
> >> https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/
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> >> perform a dubious-sounding reduction to a Mac???s ???security policy.???
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> >> otherwise perfectly nice summation of Rogue Amoeba???s year
> >> , CEO Paul
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> >> We???ll soon be shipping updates that simplify things immensely. In fact,
> >> Airfoil, Audio Hijack, and Piezo will feature an installer-free setup that
> >> won???t even need your administrator password. Meanwhile, Loopback and
> >> SoundSource will use a new audio capture plugin called ARK that won???t
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> >> improvement to our user experience.
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> >> As someone who has had to reinstall Audio Hijack, Loopback, and
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> >> the problem and found a solution that lets some of macOS???s most clever 
> >> and
> >> useful utilities run without these issues.
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Re: Seeing AI

[Brandon Olivares]

I actually rarely have problems with it. I use it a lot to check cans of cat 
food, but I’ve learned around where the barcode is, so it usually works for me. 
I hold it around 6 inches or so from the camera and slowly rotate until it 
works.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Jessica Moss 
Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 5:39 PM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI
I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan that 
way.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
> where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther 
> away from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can 
> move in closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and 
> then when seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.”
>
>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello all,
>>  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
>> sweet spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on 
>> this? Thanks.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>> -Helen Keller
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Re: Typing Messages in IOS when onscreen keyboard not visible

[Tom Rash]

Just turn blue tooth off and on again.  This will disconnect the keyboard or 
whatever device you are using.  Turn it on again so you can have blue tooth for 
watch and things like that., but turning it off and on should take care of the 
problem. 

> On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Exactly.
> Turning off bluetooth will cause your iPhone to “let go” of any connected 
> bluetooth device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2024, at 19:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve seen this problem, too. I solve it by just turning Bluetooth off on my 
> phone. Then the keyboard comes back. Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> I am having the same issue. I can do Braille Screen input, but I would like 
>> to have my keyboard back. Someone suggested a soft reset but have not tried 
>> that yet.
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 18:49, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I’m in my office, my iPhone SE 2022 is connected to a Bluetooth 
>>> Keyboartd. When I am on the road, even though I’m way out of range of the 
>>> keyboard, I’m still not able to get to the on screen keyboard in some apps 
>>> because the phone is still somehow hanging onto the hardware keyboard. 
>>> Messages, fortunately, has a dictate button even though there is no on 
>>> screen keyboard, so that’s not a problem. I do have other apps that don’t 
>>> have the dictate button, so I’m stuck without the keyboard. If I have a 
>>> sighted person around, I can turn VO off, and have that person tap in the 
>>> text entry area and here comes the keyboard, so I’m safe. Is there any way, 
>>> when VO is active, for me to do something like this? Double-tapping or 
>>> double-tapping and hold doesn’t seem to work, but as I say as soon as VO is 
>>> turned off, a sighted person can tap in the box and get the keyboard. I’m 
>>> hoping maybe I’m missing a gesture, so wanted to ask.
>>>  
>>> Thanks so much,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Shutting off series annoying back to back request feature

[Phil Halton]

Bingo!
Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 9, 2024, at 11:49 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> But the problem of back-to-back requests isn't really that Siri doesn't go 
> away. It's that having made your request, you can't really review the output 
> because while Siri is listening VoiceOver refuses to talk. And if you dismiss 
> Siri by asking it to sod off—an absurd requirement, in any event—then it will 
> take your results with it as it goes.
> 
> So thanks but no thanks Apple for an incredibly stupid feature that can only 
> really be of any benefit if you are doing the simplest possible things given 
> the dysfunction of Siri generally and its extremely limited capacity for 
> understanding requests in particular. That always-on misfeature and changing 
> the default trigger to "Siri" instead of "Hey Siri" really do speak to an 
> unbelievable hubris on the part of some manager somewhere. G.
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Re: Thinking of Switching to Windows

[lenron brown]

I use both for different reasons, I honestly have not been using my
mac as of late, because I have not been motivated to do anything music
related in a while. Kind of sad because I got this beast of a mac book
for that purpose.

On 1/10/24, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
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> Yeah, I guess. System-wide spell check? Built-in dictionary? Oh hang on,
> Apple have sabotaged that for VoiceOver users now too, haven't they?
>
> I do think the app scene is somewhat better on Mac though. RSS readers and
> podcatchers, file transfer, sync and backup utilities, etc. together with a
> much nicer general model of accessibility and system-wide conveniences like
> scripting and automation.
>
> But sure. Ultimately, Windows is pragmatic and practical, it works, and you
> don't need macOS the same way you need Windows. I think they're
> complementary, but you can survive less well without Windows than with
> macOS, I think it's fair to say, even if you stretch Windows to an
> occasional boot of your VM every once in a blue moon. Also, iOS provides
> many of the apps that are typically found on the Mac, though not all of
> course, and not with the same features. You can edit audio on an iPhone, but
> the experience is better on a Mac or PC.
>
> I'll hang on to my 2020 iMac for as long as it lives and certainly for as
> long as it has AppleCare, just so I can have the option of using Windows.
> And yes, that includes Windows 11, either in a VM or bootcamped with the
> stupid restrictions patched out. But my heart goes out to those who are torn
> between two operating systems, so to speak, as a result of Apple Silicon. I
> can appreciate this pain because I am definitely buying an Apple Silicon
> MacBook Pro in the near future, precisely so I can have it all, albeit with
> the compromises of using the Mac as a host platform. We pray for competition
> and general-purpose ARM or Risc V hardware in future. Also for an operating
> system that's truly both accessible and respectful of your privacy, of
> course, because that doesn't exist yet.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.
 you can download UTM from the app store for $9 to support the developers, but 
you don’t have to.
you can get it for free from this link.
https://mac.getutm.app

> On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:27 AM, matthew dyer  
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> Hi,
> 
> I have not tried UTM, but looked at it in the App Store.  Is it accessible?  
> How does this work?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:08 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> This whole situation makes me sad. Of course it's less convenient to carry 
>> multiple machines around, and there's basically no real choice to dual-boot, 
>> so our VM tools have to work. When they're snatched away from us by 
>> indifference to critical accessibility bugs, we suffer, not only lost 
>> opportunity but arguably the entire value proposition of these expensive 
>> machines, which need to run multiple operating systems to compensate for the 
>> inadequacy of any single operating system. Sigh.
>> 
>> I'm looking at the possible options, but realistically if you need to use 
>> Braille in your guest it's Parallels or UTM. You have various options if you 
>> only need textmode access as such, like vmctl/vmcli or qemu, but that gets 
>> us back to the problem of macOS Terminal. Certainly it can't hurt you to 
>> learn tdsr, however it's not a substitute to Terminal or the Linux screen 
>> readers for speech and braille, but an adjunct.
>> 
>> I hope vmWare is fixed soon, as I still find it to be the best option for 
>> me. Maybe one day Apple's native virtualization.framework will support USB 
>> passthrough and Ethernet bridging from a graphical and command line utility, 
>> but until then your best choice is UTM or directly invoking qemu. Good luck 
>> whatever you go with.
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Scott Davert]

Nice review, Donna!
Part of why I have not published an article on this device is because Dream
Vision never responded to a couple of questions I had. One of them being
the lack of ability to connect to Android. I was hoping to get official
confirmation of this before throwing it into the universe, but here we are.
I agree, for that much money, it has quite a bit of progress to make before
it's ready for the masses. It feels like a beta device to me. The file
transfer thing with the dock is neat. However, USB-C support is emerging
for other devices, so that's not unique. The news service is, but launching
apps is now as simple as pressing dot 8, typing the first word of the app,
and then activating it. 2 years ago, this would have been a huge hit,
though. The easiest way to check the battery status is when you turn the
Activator on. It's displayed as part of the opening message or whatever you
want to call it. What would have been the harm in creating a keyboard
shortcut to check the battery status like what is found on every other
device out there?

Just my perspective,
Scott

On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 5:28 PM 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <
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> Hi Sabahattin,
>
> You’re welcome.  The interface with the iPhone is definitely worth being
> excited about.  But I came to the conclusion that it didn’t offset the
> other minuses, as you can tell.  I find it strange and ironic that they
> designed this display that is clearly intended to function in the
> Appleverse, and then tied it to a PC for things like updating.  I get that
> people with iPhones do have PCs, but you’d think that they would have made
> either an iPhone or a Mac updating method available.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
> > On Jan 10, 2024, at 2:41 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for an excellent review, Donnah.
> >
> > I guess unsurprisingly, the part that interests me most is
> thecombination of iPhone and Activator, since that's clearly the dominant
> use case, but the assembly sounds rather brittle and then the issue of
> newer USB-C iphones. I won't be buying any time soon, but I'd be interested
> to see how this develops.
> >
> > Some of the other stuff is rather less inspiring though. Windows is at
> fault for the USB issues, though presumably that will get fixed, however
> the requirement to use Windows to update firmware just makes me sad. Again,
> I hope there's a fix, in some not-too-distant future. The interface sounds
> rather primitive though, which strikes me as a bit of a red flag seeing as
> how it's supposed to improve on the iPhone for editing tasks. All the
> technology in the world can't help if it's not efficient to use for that,
> and since the whole point is to marry that efficiency with your existing
> phone's functionality, rather than replacing it, they probably need to
> improve their software considerably for me to consider switching away from
> a Focus or any display with stored Braille input capability. Again, I'll be
> interested to see how others find it after they've done some more work on
> their software.
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> > Thanks again for your review. It was very informative.
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Re: Seeing AI

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve noticed this same result more often than not lately, and have simply 
resorted to the short text channel as a result.  It can take more time that 
way, but I can at least get a general idea of what I’m attempting to scan that 
way.

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
> where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther 
> away from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can 
> move in closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and 
> then when seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.” 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> Hello all,
>>  When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
>> sweet spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on 
>> this? Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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RE: Seeing AI

[Jessica Barr]

I had so much trouble with that that I gave up on that category a long time 
ago. I sometimes have better luck identifying products using the short text 
category.

- Original Message -
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Date: Sunday, January 14, 2024 04:15 PM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing AI

I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther away 
from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can move in 
closer. I've gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and then when 
seeing ai finally processes it it comes back "unrecognized." 
> On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>   When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
> sweet spot where the app can read the bar code. Can someone offer tips on 
> this? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Seeing AI

[Lorie McCloud]

I have some trouble with that too. I think it may be because you never know 
where the bar code might be. it helps to hold the phone a llittle farther away 
from the thing with the bar code until it starts beeping. then you can move in 
closer. I’ve gone to a lot of trouble with some of these things and then when 
seeing ai finally processes it it comes back “unrecognized.” 

> On Jan 14, 2024, at 1:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>   When using the Product category in this app, I have trouble finding the 
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> this? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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RE: What is the best recording app for aM2 Mac?

[Jessica Barr]

Glad to know Just Press Record is in the Mac App Store too. I have it on my 
iPhone and Apple Watch, and I think it's well worth the price.

- Original Message -
From: Brad Snyder 
Date: Saturday, January 13, 2024 06:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What is  the  best recording app for aM2 Mac?

Just press record is a great option for the Mac. Very simple to use with no set 
up. You can sync your recordings to either iCloud or dropbox. You can get it 
from the Mac App Store. It's not free, but only cost about five dollars. There 
is also a version available for iOS.
- Brad -
On Jan 13, 2024, at 15:19, Phil Halton  wrote:
Voice Memos, or even quick time video, are built-in to the OS and are good 
options for Just recording some raw audio files for later processing. I also 
also use Amadeus pro and it is a great app but there's a bit of a learning 
curve and it ain't free, though not too expensive, so you might wanna just  do 
a quick and dirty recording using voice memos or a quick time and then at your 
leisure you can edit them with Amadeus Pro. One thing about Amadeus pro is at 
least for me I found it necessary to have the tutorials by Jonathan Mosen so I 
could figure out how to work the darn thing. There's a few tricky aspects to it 
that you really  Need a tutorial for I think. Sent from my IPhone

> On Jan 13, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I use Amadeus Pro, it works great.
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2024, at 4:29 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  I am  going  to  a fore day  similar but  I don't wish to  take  my vary 
>> good  podcast recorder. I wood like  to  record som  content for my  podcast 
>> that I am restarting. I  wood  like  to  try to  use  the  computers 
>> microphone. What  software will  work well  on  my  computer.i will  process 
>> the  recordings whin  I return home from the  trip. Enney good  sujestions?
>> 
>> Maurice Mines.  
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