Re: Typing on the iPhone

2019-09-27 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

That's like saying we should go back to DOS because we managed fine 
without it for a decade or two. New features will come, we should be pretty 
glad that Apple even gives us the chance to turn them off or even configure 
them to what we need, because users of other platforms... aren't so lucky, lol. 



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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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Well Donna we managed quite well without all that noise for years, 
didn't we? What we had in iOS 12 was just fine. Now I need to stumble 
through that long list and turn most of them off.

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On 9/27/2019 6:20 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> I think that slide typing is probably a good thing for sighted users.  For me 
> anyway, what makes it distracting is all the input you get while sliding your 
> finger around.  But I suppose VO has to give you that feedback, otherwise, 
> you wouldn't know if it was on the right track or not.  There's no denying 
> that the slide typing takes some getting used to--you have to learn to filter 
> out the noise--but I do find I'm liking it more and more with practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2019, at 6:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>>
>>Yup, iOS 13 gave us a couple annoying things. One it thinks we need much 
>> more help when entering text. It is the same with a braille display. Would 
>> to get this behavior changed.
>>
>>The other one is overactive haptics. It's called Voiceover Haptic 
>> Feedback. You can turn this off completely, or choose what items to turn off 
>> individually. Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voiceover, Audio.
>>
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>> On 9/27/2019 3:48 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Now that I’ve finally updated to 13.1.1 I can’t type in my messages app on 
>>> the phone without a lot of unwanted input. If I hold my finger on a letter 
>>> for a couple of seconds it will suddenly insert lots of  unwanted 
>>> characters. I have the typing mode set too touch typing as I’ve always had 
>>> it, and I know there must be a setting I can change somewhere to fix this. 
>>> Oh, I’m using the virtual keyboard not a bluetooth one.
>>> Oh, and my phone does vibrate a lot more while I’m flicking around the 
>>> screen and haven’t worked out where to go to fix that either.
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook
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Re: New Mac User

2019-09-02 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

I've used a Mac for a good 7 or more years. Int time, I've used 
Windows, the Mac, and several forms of Linux. The Mac, nor VoiceOver, is 
perfect, but for me, especially for reading Mail, writing documents, or even 
dabbling in code, the Mac is great for beginners, and advanced users too. 
VoiceOver can hold your hand through any task. You'd lead it, of course, just 
like the iPhone, but it would help a lot. Once you're used to things, VoiceOver 
can be used in amazing ways, like only saying the subject of an and nothing 
more if you want, making going through email an absolute joy compared to the 
Windows screen readers. Also, one can move and resize windows, and even single 
controls. One can know if an app launches in the background. With the Mac 
itself, you can have time announced. Spell checking, are built in. Auto correct 
is a joy to use. All this could be done in Windows if Microsoft wanted, but it 
hasn't yet. So, for now, Mac is the operating system of the future, for general 
computing, until iPad takes place.  



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On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:34 PM -0500, "Marie"  wrote:















Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will 
take your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie
 


 

From: Phil 
Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
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Subject: Re: New Mac User
 
Actually 
Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the getting 
started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book of 
chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most entry 
in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has appendices 
for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.



Sent from my IPhone
 

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha 
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Hi 
  Marie,
  

 
  

I find David 
  Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely benefited from 
  them.
  

 
  

Warmly,
  

Hem.
  

 
  

 
  
  
  

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Marie, don’t forget to plow 
  through the getting started guide. You can find it by pressing the help menu 
  keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down at the bottom of the list. 
  You might find some trouble in browsing at first, but try to bring up the 
  table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of information about using 
  voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in the voiceover help 
  menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need there along with 
  questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
  
  
  

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On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 
  PM, Marie  wrote:
  






I listened to 
the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as several 
from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast 
from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.



I have lots 
to learn for sure.



Marie



 





 




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Hi Marie and 
others, 



Welcome to 
the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I may have 
herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, well I’ve 
been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. I only 
ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me not 
to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 



Petrus 








  
  

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I am 
  another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
  joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. 
  We are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not 
  using the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would 
  use text edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be 
  beneficial. This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you 
from 
  other lists  
  
  

I already 
  know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
  windows.

Gail
  
  
  

 
  
  

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Re: iCloud

2019-07-23 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

Just go to your junk foldfolder, and move it to Inbox. It'll learn from 
that.



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On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:50 PM -0500, "Lorie McCloud"  
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I subscribed to a list using my iCloud email address. a ton of that list mail 
went to junk. where should I put the list address so that won't keep happening?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Learning Swift information

2019-04-18 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

Can someone send the App Store link to this? I searched for Code Swift 
but couldn't find an exact match to that name.



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On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:49 AM -0500, "'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries" 
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This is so cool!  thanks for this Simon.  Now I may just go ahead and sell my 
iPad.Cheers,Donna

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Code Swift works on both the iPhone and iPad. 
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Hi Lister, I thought this might be of interest for some, Mark T for one. I’ve 
just been playing with an app for the iPhone,called “Code Swift”,  It’s a very 
cool little app that breaks Swift coding down to chaptersAnd gives you error 
break downs and if needed video help from the developer of the application. 
It’s free and so far very easy to follow.I don’t know if there is an iPad 
version but this is a great option if you don’t have one or don’t want to take 
your tablet with you. Check it out and enjoy  Simon F 
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Re: I've decided what brailleDisplay to Choose.

2019-04-17 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

For those who have it, how long have you had it, and how have the dots 
held up? Any stuck pins? I've been reading the manual, and their are some parts 
where I could almost tell that English wasn't the writer's main language, and 
technically incomplete statements, like that Samsung Galaxy phones come with 
TalkBack: they come with Voice Assistant, as well as TalkBack. Also, with HIMS' 
site being aweful with images that just say "actilino 1.jpg," and such, really 
makes the product feel unprofessional. Also, an Applevis article from 2017 
addressed other problems, like the Bluetooth audio not reconnecting with the 
braille display when it turns on, and a few other problems I can't recall right 
now. I know, no display is perfect, but I really want to like the Actilino, as 
its not Freedom Scientific, thus so JAWS centric, and may be supported with 
software updates longer and more frequent, I'd hope.



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On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:55 PM -0500, "Mary Otten"  wrote:










Their products are now sold by hims, but the guy in the Twin Cities area who 
used to be the distributor is now part of him‘s, so he is still there. It will 
pair with three Bluetooth devices, and it has USB as well.


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> So how many devices does it pair with/. And I would prefer 20, 14 was to 
> small, and I know 2 more won’t make much of a difference.  Wonder if 
> handitech still has a office in the twin cities area, would love to get my 
> hands on one to see it for myself.
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>> On Apr 17, 2019, at 7:47 PM, alia robinson  wrote:
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>> isn’t it funny how different people are. I had 40 for a bit. it was too big. 
>> it hurt my shoulders to read on it. I think the actilino is amazing. if 
>> you’re trying to control a computer then really 40 isn’t even enough IMO. I 
>> just read, and the tactile scrolling is heaven. autoscroll is annoying 
>> because if you stop for a second you have to stop it and sometimes it gets 
>> ahead of you, doesn’t happen anymore. I love it. 
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2019, at 8:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
>> 
>> It looks so cool! But I wish they made a 40 cell version of the same 
>> display. I get that it autoscrolls, but I know I will not be happy with 16 
>> cells.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: I've decided what brailleDisplay to Choose.

2019-04-17 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

Thanks for this. After reading the Applevis article on it, and the 
aweful HIMS site with unlabeled images and no documentation, I may go with the 
Focus 14, but maybe reading the documentation may sway my opinion..



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On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:02 PM -0500, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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Here you go.



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> I'm looking into this one too, but cannot find a manual for it, to read.
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> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 2:24 PM -0500, "Anders Holmberg" 
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> Hi!
> Today i had the chance to try the Actilino and while i’ver read all 
> thoughts here on the list it was really nice to get my hands on it.
> And yes its better then the best!
> Needless to say but if the County center for accessibility wants they can 
> buy this to me as i don’t have the money my self.
> I can only hope they will.
> THe keyboard was to be honnest one of the greatest keyboard i’ver tried 
> as a braille keyboard.
> The display itself has so smooth and great cells as i’ve tried  some 
> reading with it.
> THis unit is one of the best displays i’ve ever used.
> /A
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Re: I've decided what brailleDisplay to Choose.

2019-04-17 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

I'm looking into this one too, but cannot find a manual for it, to read.



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On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 2:24 PM -0500, "Anders Holmberg" 
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Hi!
Today i had the chance to try the Actilino and while i’ver read all thoughts 
here on the list it was really nice to get my hands on it.
And yes its better then the best!
Needless to say but if the County center for accessibility wants they can buy 
this to me as i don’t have the money my self.
I can only hope they will.
THe keyboard was to be honnest one of the greatest keyboard i’ver tried as a 
braille keyboard.
The display itself has so smooth and great cells as i’ve tried  some reading 
with it.
THis unit is one of the best displays i’ve ever used.
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Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

2019-04-16 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

This being the Mac list, well in name only now, lol, I do wish the 
Books app worked better when doing VO-a for read from current to bottum, like 
the iPhone does, turning pages as it reads and such.Now that that's out of the 
way, though, as I've said on the viphone list, I like good audio books, but 
once the narrator starts whispering or shouting, I'd much rather have the 
level, articulate tones of Alex.



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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:31 AM -0500, "Raymond Foret Jr" 
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Well, for me, the inhanced US Tom is best all around.  Now the Male Siri US 
voice (actually known as Aaron inhanced but which Apple calls Male Siri US) is 
also good.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray



On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
Braille display.

However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.

Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.

After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.  

You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.

Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
dollars.

Mark 


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Re: Alex and irc text output on live speaking client (Textual 7) can't speak after 2 words requiring restart. Any way to restart just the speech itself?

2019-02-03 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

Lol, Grep for capturing speech. Nah, just use TDSR, IRSSI, with the 
irssi-sounds plugin, and it all works pretty good.



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On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 1:28 PM -0600, "Sandie Jazmin Kruse" 
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He should use Irssi, and Grep for catching the speech, than that would not have 
happened.
Nods all eagerlike
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Feb 2019, at 18.27, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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I'm running Mojave and not encountering this issue at all. There
  must be something in your audio set-up that makes the difference.


On 2/3/19 11:09 AM, Jonathan Cohn
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  Are you using Apple USB or BlueTooth for your audio, or is this
  through the speakers or  headphone jack? I have seen similar
  behavior when using BlueTooth device that went out of range and
  then came back into range. 
   


  
Best
  wishes,

  

  Jonathan Cohn

  

  


  



  
On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse
  
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  good that i didnt make the update then.



On 2/2/19, Pete Nalda 
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Ok, just as an update,
  I discovered it wasn’t just Alex, or the irc client.

  It’s something going on with sound in general. My new
  mail sound got cut off

  too. On the Apple discussion similar problems were
  discussed regarding sound

  in Mojave.

  

  Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates

  Louie P (Pete) Nalda

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  On Feb 2, 2019, at
11:18 PM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse


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Quit irc, and restart, if you have it set up
correctly, it will just boot

join the channels and do its thing.



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  11.02, Pete Nalda  wrote:

  

  I use Textual as an irc client, and have each
  channel set to speak

  channel messages using my system voice, which is
  Alex in my case. Problem

  is, after about 4 hours, it gets to where it can’t
  speak after 2 words.

  Is there any way to just restart speech?  Running
  Mojave 10.14.3.  TIA

  

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Re: Reddit

2019-02-03 Thread d.prater via MacVisionaries

  
  
  

Reddit... Get it...I'd use Baconreader, its pretty good with VoiceOver, 
but not as good as Dystopia, which is in Beta.



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On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:21 PM -0600, "John JD Denning" 
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I don’t see it in the App Store. How does one get it? Sounds great.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2019, at 16:08, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
> 
> Look into Dystopia for Reddit. It's an app still in beta but I use it every 
> day and it's phenomenal. It was designed with VO in mind and makes strong use 
> of rotor actions to perform tasks in the app. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Greetings, anyone useReddit? 
>> 
>> I’m using their app, and if you use it you know it has lots of voiceover 
>> issues. But I can read things and even reply to specific threads. But what I 
>> don’t see how to do is to start a thread. Can that be done in the iPhone app 
>> via voice over?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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