Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

If all one is doing is reading the pdf, then there's Preview already on your 
Mac that will read pdf's just fine.  It doesn't handle columns as well as 
PDFPenPro but for does a pretty good job on most.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:58, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:

Or, if you have an iPhone, , forward it to your iPhone and use Voice Dream 
Reader to read it.
 
Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - 
> From: Chris Meredith <mailto:talli...@gmail.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Adobe Reader DC
> 
> Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
> registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF 
> content.  As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can 
> honestly say that Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get 
> past QA.  Time to spin up a Windows VM, I guess.
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
>> 
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>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:talli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>> sort of newbie error?
>>> 
>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Chris Meredith
Ah—I can pretty much guarantee that the file won’t be properly labelled.  I was 
actually using the form SS-5 as a “known case”, where I knew things should work 
as expected.  The form I need to fill out is something for my 401(k) plan, 
where the PDFs may not be adequately labeled.
If it makes a difference, I was running PDFPen as a demo, but I don’t THINK 
that should make a difference, since the only thing it claims is different 
about the demo is that export functionality is broken and it stamps a smile 
logo on the PDF if you save it.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use PDFPenPro to fill out forms quite a bit.  Try pressing tab to go 
> through the document and see how it goes.  Of course, it totally depends on 
> how good the creator of the fillable pdf did at labelling.  Most pdf making 
> people don't bother taking the time to label the fields and such, thus making 
> it not particularly useful to us screen reader users.  Not sure how proper 
> those forms from your Social Security people are, but you'd hope that a 
> government operation would do a better job.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:36, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
> from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
> fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
> recognized the fields.
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
>> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
>> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
>> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as 
>>> well
>>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using 
>>> Windows only for this purpose
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>> 
>>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>>> sort of newbie error?
>>>> 
>>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
>>>> 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Arnold Schmidt
Or, if you have an iPhone, , forward it to your iPhone and use Voice Dream 
Reader to read it.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Meredith 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Adobe Reader DC


  Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF content.  
As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can honestly say that 
Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get past QA.  Time to 
spin up a Windows VM, I guess.

On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as 
well
I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using 
Windows only for this purpose

Sent from my iPhone


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On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hey folks,

  So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow 
access to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the good 
bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable to get 
back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that you have 
only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some sort of 
newbie error?

  * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at 
all.

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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I use PDFPenPro to fill out forms quite a bit.  Try pressing tab to go through 
the document and see how it goes.  Of course, it totally depends on how good 
the creator of the fillable pdf did at labelling.  Most pdf making people don't 
bother taking the time to label the fields and such, thus making it not 
particularly useful to us screen reader users.  Not sure how proper those forms 
from your Social Security people are, but you'd hope that a government 
operation would do a better job.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:36, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
recognized the fields.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>> sort of newbie error?
>>> 
>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Chris Meredith
Half a sec.  Can you fill out forms with PDF Pen?  I tried downloading a form 
from the Social Security Administration and PDF Pen failed to recognize the 
fields.  Or, more correctly, VoiceOver failed to recognize that PDF Pen 
recognized the fields.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:03 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, 
> copy, and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s 
> PDFPen to the rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR 
> those dreaded scanned documents into readable text.
>> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
>> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
>> only for this purpose
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>>> sort of newbie error?
>>> 
>>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread christopher hallsworth
That’s not a showstopper for me. I simply select all the text in the PDF, copy, 
and paste into a blank Textedit document. Doesn’t work? Then it’s PDFPen to the 
rescue which, amongst other things, has the ability to OCR those dreaded 
scanned documents into readable text.
> On 26 Jun 2016, at 06:45, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
> only for this purpose
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>> sort of newbie error?
>> 
>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
>> 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-26 Thread Chris Meredith
Yes.  I even tried setting a hotspot on the PDF’s contents, which then 
registered as inactive if I moved the VoiceOver focus outside the PDF content.  
As someone who’s worked in software QA for years now, I can honestly say that 
Adobe should be full of shame for letting that problem get past QA.  Time to 
spin up a Windows VM, I guess.
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:45 AM, jaan ali <jaanalioffic...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
> I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
> only for this purpose
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:talli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hey folks,
>> 
>> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access 
>> to PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
>> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
>> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable 
>> to get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that 
>> you have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some 
>> sort of newbie error?
>> 
>> * For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.
>> 
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Re: Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-25 Thread jaan ali
Hi, if you talking about the Mac then the same thing happened with me as well
I am very disappointed with the PDF with Mac so that's why I'm using Windows 
only for this purpose

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> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Chris Meredith <talli...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hey folks,
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> So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access to 
> PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
> astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the 
> good bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable to 
> get back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that you 
> have only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some sort 
> of newbie error?
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Adobe Reader DC

2016-06-25 Thread Chris Meredith
Hey folks,

So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC, confident* in its ability to allow access to 
PDF files using VoiceOver.  Upon selecting a PDF, I was dropped into, 
astoundingly enough, an accessible view of the document.  Now, here’s the good 
bit—when I moved out of that accessible area, I was completely unable to get 
back to the document.  Did Acrobat actually design things such that you have 
only one chance at viewing your PDF document, or am I making some sort of 
newbie error?

* For suitably small values of “confident”.  Actually not confident at all.

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