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here here! damn right damn right damn right i am sick of big companies telling me what I can do with somethign that I bought did you knwo that the blue ray discs now as f the first of the year can be made to NOT output high definiton signals ont he componant video outputs basically a sick of dynamite up the tail of anyone who had the audacity to actulaly jump on new technology when it came out one more reason I wait at least 5 years before i do something new because first adopters get scrwed look at super audio compact disc, dvd audio disc and hd dvd disc all are for all intents and pruposes dead tech and oficially hd dvd is an orphan format even microsoft walked away from it same happend with digital compact casette and minidisc the companies fight and screw us and we always loose! maybe if at and t and verizon stop scrwing us for every little feature more of us woul dbuy the phone if the I phone data and minutes weren't so rediculously expensive I'd have one I was tempted y at and t and then they dropped the unlimited data I was tempte dby verizon till i find out the wifi hot spot wil be another 20 on top if it was free I'd jump so it's joilbreak and get what I want or wait for android to catch up besides I can get android once it's accesible and only pay 10 more a month for data through t mobile at and t and verizon ha dbetter watch thei rbacks why the hell can't they give it to me for 45 unlimited everythign like cleartalk which is verizon being resold and t mobile On Jan 23, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Wow, this is one of the most short sited and close minded responses I've ever seen. That's like saying everything the Government says is true or police are here to help all the time. Lets take it from the top. Tweaking, taking things apart and curiosity are some of the most basic traights. If you don't have that you've missed out on one of the most key and fundamental parts of the human experience. I spent many an hour with my father as a child taking things apart, learning how they worked and even sometimes putting them back together. You could never put a price on the value of that time. My career today directly hindges on the fact that my interests in electronics and things technical were stimulated from an extremely early age. Next, who the hell is anybody to say that something I've bought isn't mine to do with as I please. Apple entered in to a deal with me, I gave them money and they gave me a device. If I wish to use that device as a coaster I should be able to. If I want to pop it open and see how it works I should. If I buy a windows phone and I want all the features enabled that's my choise because I paid for it not some carrier or manufacturor so I'm unlocking the boot loader and fixing the problems. If you sell me a CDMA device and leave open the ability to edit the access over load class so my calls have the same priority as the president or emergency responders and I figure that out, that's your fault not mine for using a feature made available to me. Your position is an immoral one. It's wrong to sell me something then tell me what I can do with it. If you want that sort of deal lease it to me then. That way, I don't own it, you preserve your property and IP rights and I have to play by your rules, else get out of the way of my experimentation. :) On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: ahem, I think not. the smarter than average thinker will think it unwise to tinker with such an investment. I have note even read it, and i find the concept hilarious! Actually its rather common for them makers of electronics to strongly suggest that opening them up to have a look is a very bad idea. I for one prefer things like my television refrigerator and yes even my iphone if I had one kept closed. I feel such devices deserve the respect of keeping their innards private. Modesty to say the least you know? Karen On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another
Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Hi Scott G, I feel the same way as you, and for many of the same reasons. Have a wonderful everyone. Scott Ford On Jan 23, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Wow, this is one of the most short sited and close minded responses I've ever seen. That's like saying everything the Government says is true or police are here to help all the time. Lets take it from the top. Tweaking, taking things apart and curiosity are some of the most basic traights. If you don't have that you've missed out on one of the most key and fundamental parts of the human experience. I spent many an hour with my father as a child taking things apart, learning how they worked and even sometimes putting them back together. You could never put a price on the value of that time. My career today directly hindges on the fact that my interests in electronics and things technical were stimulated from an extremely early age. Next, who the hell is anybody to say that something I've bought isn't mine to do with as I please. Apple entered in to a deal with me, I gave them money and they gave me a device. If I wish to use that device as a coaster I should be able to. If I want to pop it open and see how it works I should. If I buy a windows phone and I want all the features enabled that's my choise because I paid for it not some carrier or manufacturor so I'm unlocking the boot loader and fixing the problems. If you sell me a CDMA device and leave open the ability to edit the access over load class so my calls have the same priority as the president or emergency responders and I figure that out, that's your fault not mine for using a feature made available to me. Your position is an immoral one. It's wrong to sell me something then tell me what I can do with it. If you want that sort of deal lease it to me then. That way, I don't own it, you preserve your property and IP rights and I have to play by your rules, else get out of the way of my experimentation. :) On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: ahem, I think not. the smarter than average thinker will think it unwise to tinker with such an investment. I have note even read it, and i find the concept hilarious! Actually its rather common for them makers of electronics to strongly suggest that opening them up to have a look is a very bad idea. I for one prefer things like my television refrigerator and yes even my iphone if I had one kept closed. I feel such devices deserve the respect of keeping their innards private. Modesty to say the least you know? Karen On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Wow, this is one of the most short sited and close minded responses I've ever seen. That's like saying everything the Government says is true or police are here to help all the time. Lets take it from the top. Tweaking, taking things apart and curiosity are some of the most basic traights. If you don't have that you've missed out on one of the most key and fundamental parts of the human experience. I spent many an hour with my father as a child taking things apart, learning how they worked and even sometimes putting them back together. You could never put a price on the value of that time. My career today directly hindges on the fact that my interests in electronics and things technical were stimulated from an extremely early age. Next, who the hell is anybody to say that something I've bought isn't mine to do with as I please. Apple entered in to a deal with me, I gave them money and they gave me a device. If I wish to use that device as a coaster I should be able to. If I want to pop it open and see how it works I should. If I buy a windows phone and I want all the features enabled that's my choise because I paid for it not some carrier or manufacturor so I'm unlocking the boot loader and fixing the problems. If you sell me a CDMA device and leave open the ability to edit the access over load class so my calls have the same priority as the president or emergency responders and I figure that out, that's your fault not mine for using a feature made available to me. Your position is an immoral one. It's wrong to sell me something then tell me what I can do with it. If you want that sort of deal lease it to me then. That way, I don't own it, you preserve your property and IP rights and I have to play by your rules, else get out of the way of my experimentation. :) On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: ahem, I think not. the smarter than average thinker will think it unwise to tinker with such an investment. I have note even read it, and i find the concept hilarious! Actually its rather common for them makers of electronics to strongly suggest that opening them up to have a look is a very bad idea. I for one prefer things like my television refrigerator and yes even my iphone if I had one kept closed. I feel such devices deserve the respect of keeping their innards private. Modesty to say the least you know? Karen On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why
RE: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they
Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a smart phone apart, and fix it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he
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I have to go with Ricardo on this one. Smart phones are far far more complex than your old 60 year old icebox. It's just the way it is. While I agree with you that there is planned failures and products are engineered to break the fact people don't tinker has nothing to do with any mnystery but has more to do with the fact there's not much inside that's user servicable. Most things on the IPhone are integrated in single dyes so that leave only the software to play with. Thanks Scott On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He
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Your crazy if you think the old sears catalog has anything to do with modern smart phone devices. How many possible users who wanted to service their own device woud even know what a gate is let alone the different types or would even be able to source a replacement part. An IPhone isn't a 1957 Chevy, it's a complex device with only a few discrete parts none of which can be serviced. Hacking the software is a totally different matter but in terms of hardware not so much. On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To
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Scott, You miss the point or at least the point I was making. The average (excludes electronics technicians) have little need to be mucking about inside the phone, iPod, etc. You are correct that Apple is protecting its bottom line and rightfully so. If people started messing around with their phones and tried installing their own batteries etc. and break the phone, guess who gets blamed and is expected to fix it. Well if you guessed Apple, then you would be correct. There are those who can disassemble such devices and reassemble it without damaging the device, but this is a small subset of people. I also again wonder to what extent one can modify the hardware without running into any legal issues. I have not explored this, but most software licenses for example do not allow for you to reverse engineer the software and this may be true with some hardware and this could be another reason. Either way, I hope that clarifies why I believe Apple does not want people opening their devices. You may disagree, but I bet statistics would reveal that more people toss their electronic devices when they quit working then actually take them in for repair. Scott On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has
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Scott. Whilst I do agree with you, I feel that in this situation, Apple did make the right choice by making there iPhones harder to take apart. You talk about computer repair. When you ran the shop, did you ever get someone who tried to upgrade or fix the computer themselves? Did you ever find that it ended up quite a bit worse because of the attempted fix? Now, picture a really small device, with lots of surface mounted components inside it - those components that are removable will be connected via ribbon cables. I don't know if you've ever encountered a ribbon cable, but you can't mess about with these things if you want them to work after. Lets be honest. If someone has the required knolige to fix an iPhone, it would be a trivial matter for them to research the correct tools needed to open the device. Whilst I do agree that the way that companies protect there devices is getting slightly over the top, what sort of crazy mods do you think people would be able to come up with for the iPhone? Do you think that people would be able to uncover a secret dipswitch and suddenly be able to overclock there cpu's by 200%? I do intend to open my 3gs soon to replace the glass and the battery, but I know that if I break it, it's my fault. Do you remember those old dell optiplex machines from 10 12 years ago where the cases were a nightmare to remove? That wasn't to stop the hardcore geek from upgrading there hardware, it was to stop the kind of person who would break there computer by attempting an upgrade from upgrading it and lets be honest, there are quite a few of those people. As a side note (and I'm more than happy to take this off list if you want), as a total, did you ever find a way to replace capacitors on motherboards in the repair shop? I've been investigating component level repairs on both desktop and laptop boards and would be interested in speaking with people who can replace dc jacks, usb ports, capacitors and people who are able to reflow the nvidia gpu's that suffered from cracked solder due to overheating. On 21/01/2011, Scott Ford scotte.f...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To:
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I think this is part of a natural phase that various technologies go through. For stereos, you had Heath kits. For computers, you had interchangeable card. In this process, there's a shift toward integration in the hardware, which makes it difficult to tinker with. Even auto companies went through this process, till folks came up with the proper screw-drivers to work on them. Perkins Braillers have dedicated parts, but that doesn't keep people from tinkering with them. I think that for the people who can't resist tinkering, that spirit will prevail, especially given the challenge presented by non-standard technologies. Either that, or more savvy tekkies will simply buy devices that are easier to modify. Teresa On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs
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Scott, great points and I follow you now. In the end it's probably because Apple can sell service on your device.:) You have some strong points. On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Scott, You miss the point or at least the point I was making. The average (excludes electronics technicians) have little need to be mucking about inside the phone, iPod, etc. You are correct that Apple is protecting its bottom line and rightfully so. If people started messing around with their phones and tried installing their own batteries etc. and break the phone, guess who gets blamed and is expected to fix it. Well if you guessed Apple, then you would be correct. There are those who can disassemble such devices and reassemble it without damaging the device, but this is a small subset of people. I also again wonder to what extent one can modify the hardware without running into any legal issues. I have not explored this, but most software licenses for example do not allow for you to reverse engineer the software and this may be true with some hardware and this could be another reason. Either way, I hope that clarifies why I believe Apple does not want people opening their devices. You may disagree, but I bet statistics would reveal that more people toss their electronic devices when they quit working then actually take them in for repair. Scott On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM:
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Hi Ben, I never really got into figuring out how to do depot level repairs on the equipment. I naturally replaced cards and built systems, because that was part of the operation of a small shop. I mainly ran the routers, switches and THS system. I do know a guy who if you could get him to chisel out a bit of his time would love to speak with you about how to figure out work-around for doing them if possible. He is the guy that I mentioned in my previous post. Later, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:27 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Scott. Whilst I do agree with you, I feel that in this situation, Apple did make the right choice by making there iPhones harder to take apart. You talk about computer repair. When you ran the shop, did you ever get someone who tried to upgrade or fix the computer themselves? Did you ever find that it ended up quite a bit worse because of the attempted fix? Now, picture a really small device, with lots of surface mounted components inside it - those components that are removable will be connected via ribbon cables. I don't know if you've ever encountered a ribbon cable, but you can't mess about with these things if you want them to work after. Lets be honest. If someone has the required knolige to fix an iPhone, it would be a trivial matter for them to research the correct tools needed to open the device. Whilst I do agree that the way that companies protect there devices is getting slightly over the top, what sort of crazy mods do you think people would be able to come up with for the iPhone? Do you think that people would be able to uncover a secret dipswitch and suddenly be able to overclock there cpu's by 200%? I do intend to open my 3gs soon to replace the glass and the battery, but I know that if I break it, it's my fault. Do you remember those old dell optiplex machines from 10 12 years ago where the cases were a nightmare to remove? That wasn't to stop the hardcore geek from upgrading there hardware, it was to stop the kind of person who would break there computer by attempting an upgrade from upgrading it and lets be honest, there are quite a few of those people. As a side note (and I'm more than happy to take this off list if you want), as a total, did you ever find a way to replace capacitors on motherboards in the repair shop? I've been investigating component level repairs on both desktop and laptop boards and would be interested in speaking with people who can replace dc jacks, usb ports, capacitors and people who are able to reflow the nvidia gpu's that suffered from cracked solder due to overheating. On 21/01/2011, Scott Ford scotte.f...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone,
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Hello Ricardo and everyone else who has posted to this thread, I would have to agree that everyone has a bit of truth in what is being posted. We certainly can make many more mods to the equipment than we are led to believe. That is fine though, because you all are correct many folks just do not care, however there more people than you might think who want to be able to make them. Maybe the android folks are those people, I do not know. I will also agree that it is very nice to pick the device up and just have it work as advertised. I have gone through so much technology that never lives up to what is advertised. I really like my iphone and would never dream of cracking it open. In any case this is about as far as I can carry this conversation. Have a wonderful night.. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a smart phone apart, and fix it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of
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Hi Scott and all, I must say, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo and everyone else who has posted to this thread, I would have to agree that everyone has a bit of truth in what is being posted. We certainly can make many more mods to the equipment than we are led to believe. That is fine though, because you all are correct many folks just do not care, however there more people than you might think who want to be able to make them. Maybe the android folks are those people, I do not know. I will also agree that it is very nice to pick the device up and just have it work as advertised. I have gone through so much technology that never lives up to what is advertised. I really like my iphone and would never dream of cracking it open. In any case this is about as far as I can carry this conversation. Have a wonderful night.. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a smart phone apart, and fix it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our
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I have enjoyed this thread as well, though I guess it treads the thin ice for topic creep. Makes things more exciting that way. :) Teresa On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi Scott and all, I must say, I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo and everyone else who has posted to this thread, I would have to agree that everyone has a bit of truth in what is being posted. We certainly can make many more mods to the equipment than we are led to believe. That is fine though, because you all are correct many folks just do not care, however there more people than you might think who want to be able to make them. Maybe the android folks are those people, I do not know. I will also agree that it is very nice to pick the device up and just have it work as advertised. I have gone through so much technology that never lives up to what is advertised. I really like my iphone and would never dream of cracking it open. In any case this is about as far as I can carry this conversation. Have a wonderful night.. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. I guess we will just agree to disagree here. :). I don't think its mysticism. I think people just don't care. Because of the obsolescence you pointed out that is built into devices. Why spend time fixing something that will be outdated anyway? That pretty much sums up the computer age. I think time also plays into this equation. 50 years ago, people had much more time to tinker. Or at least, they're were less options of things to do. People work longer hours now than 50 years ago, and hence some can't or won't sacrifice the time to learn how to take something as complex as a smart phone apart, and fix it. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Ricardo, I would like to respectfully disagree with your assertion that things broke down more frequently, back then. Today we have engineered obsolescence, and things are designed to breakdown. I can provide a laundry list to this fact, however one fact still remains, I have a fifty year old refrigerator that is rock solid and my brother-in-law is still running an old 60 year old Oliver tractor for hulling wood. Things back then were accessible for repair though, and the sense of mysticism was not intentionally bestowed on things. Sincerely, Scott Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 10:26 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Ok. You would fall into that very small minority group in which such information is news worthy. You said yourself, some funky screws won't stop the adventurous type. I think what Apple did was a waste of time and money. And at the end of the day, it comes off a little petty. But the fact still remains. Its their products, and they can do whatever they want with it.. Where does it say, you have to provide step by step instructions on how to dismantle your products. I think the sears catalog is a bit of a flawed argument. They provided the schematics because things broke down a hell of a lot more 50 years ago than they do now. Consumers have grown to expect a higher level of reliability from their devices. In those 50 years, we have gone from from the mechanical, were if one was patient enough, could watch moving parts and figure out what goes where. These products were also a lot more tolerant to the novice hand. Not so much in the digital age. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were
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I purposely left that out because Apple Care is a given. ALthough I have to admit that all things considered, Apple Care is pretty cheap in general. A great example is when the USB port on my first iMac crapped out. I would have found and still find taking an iMac apart to be a painful process. However, Apple Care covered the cost of labor and parts at a non-Apple store, which meant it was repaired by an authorized dealer. In this case I came out way ahead if I had to pay for that repair. Although I sure would like to still get one of the iMacs apart. Figured out how to pull the front cover, but no clue how to get behind the screen to the hard drive etc. Must be some trick I have not discovered. Scott On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Scott, great points and I follow you now. In the end it's probably because Apple can sell service on your device.:) You have some strong points. On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Scott, You miss the point or at least the point I was making. The average (excludes electronics technicians) have little need to be mucking about inside the phone, iPod, etc. You are correct that Apple is protecting its bottom line and rightfully so. If people started messing around with their phones and tried installing their own batteries etc. and break the phone, guess who gets blamed and is expected to fix it. Well if you guessed Apple, then you would be correct. There are those who can disassemble such devices and reassemble it without damaging the device, but this is a small subset of people. I also again wonder to what extent one can modify the hardware without running into any legal issues. I have not explored this, but most software licenses for example do not allow for you to reverse engineer the software and this may be true with some hardware and this could be another reason. Either way, I hope that clarifies why I believe Apple does not want people opening their devices. You may disagree, but I bet statistics would reveal that more people toss their electronic devices when they quit working then actually take them in for repair. Scott On Jan 21, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read the previous messages on this topic, I would like to respectfully object. I would like to begin by saying that I feel the topic is certainly news worthy. Furthermore I am quite disturbed at how readily folks on this list are willing to just bow to the omnipotent Corporation looking out for our well being. I feel that Apple is only protecting its bottom line and that is where it begins and ends. Fifty years ago the Sears catalog included schematics so that one could self troubleshoot issues whit products that were sold in their catalog. Today we have covers to cover covers, layering the electronics and mechanical parts of our cars and hundreds of other devices that we use every day. As an American I love our traditional spirit of adventure and personal independence to take a product designed or meant for one purpose and transform it into something completely beyond what it was designed for. In pushing this envelope we have been a market leader and produced some of the sharpest minds in our century. I know for a fact that a few funky shaped screws are not going to stop the people that I am describing. I am objecting with the status quo, and the consensus of the people on this list. Before I went blind I was a Heavy equipment Mechanic. Whenever I would hear about situations like the one outlined I would be frustrated. We have an amazing amount of competent electronic specialists who would not bat an eye at removing the back of their iPhone to do a minor repair. I am a ham radio operator and that spirit is certainly alive and flourishing. The amount of money that folks with these skills are saving by doing their own repairs, are nothing short of amazing. When I owned a computer store and we would frequently have computers come in where their capacitors had dried out and exploded. This action is so dramatic, that when my friend and business partner who happened to be one of these skilled electronic technicians that you are saying have no business tinkering around in a iphone, would replace the capacitors. Our customers would think that he had performed nothing short of a miracle. Along those same lines I had dropped my BN PK and the cards had become dislodged. He simply reseated them and I went on my way. The company had just charged me 250.00 for new batteries. He researched it in four minutes and could have replaced them for me for 18.00. How much do you think that Humanware would have charged for reseating my cards, not to mention the time. Please do not tell me that this is not news worthy, because it certainly is. Sincerely, Scott -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Lol. I agree with Ricky and Scott. I mean, really? I've had no desire to take my iPhone apart, and besides, I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing anyway. Lol. On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Oops. Didn't reply to all. Lol. I agree with Ricky and Scott. I mean, come on, really? I've had know desire to take my iPhone apart, besides, I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing anyway. Lol. On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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I can't think of any reason why someone would want to take apart there iPhone while it's under warranty anyway. Whats the point in attempting to fix something if Apple will do it for you and will in most cases do a much better job? On 20/01/2011, Wes Smith wes1020002...@gmail.com wrote: Oops. Didn't reply to all. Lol. I agree with Ricky and Scott. I mean, come on, really? I've had know desire to take my iPhone apart, besides, I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing anyway. Lol. On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for.
Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Yeah same here. Im not a person who likes the insides of a computer. Hehaha! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Wes Smith wrote: Lol. I agree with Ricky and Scott. I mean, really? I've had no desire to take my iPhone apart, and besides, I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing anyway. Lol. On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi Scott: Happy to say we agree on this one.:) Carolyn H On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Sarah: Just marry the right fella and there ya go, don't even need to take the phone apart!:) And if he's really the right guy, he'll even be able to troubleshoot your computer. Ah, never mind. Think I'll just get better at both. Now where's my screwdriver?:) Carolyn H On Jan 20, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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If someone has that knowledge then they would have the tools to remove the screws. However, again, the point is to keep people like you who do not have the knowledge from attempting to replace batteries and the like, but ends up breaking the device. You know your limitations, but some do not. Btw, this is pretty old news actually. Although I am not a lawyer, I'm pretty certain that some of these devices are covered by patents and the like that would disallow modifications or reverse engineering of the hardware. Jail breaking might be ok, but modifying the hardware would not. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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ahem, I think not. the smarter than average thinker will think it unwise to tinker with such an investment. I have note even read it, and i find the concept hilarious! Actually its rather common for them makers of electronics to strongly suggest that opening them up to have a look is a very bad idea. I for one prefer things like my television refrigerator and yes even my iphone if I had one kept closed. I feel such devices deserve the respect of keeping their innards private. Modesty to say the least you know? Karen On Thu, 20 Jan 2011, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I'm aware of that and I don't have even the knoledge of the inside of any phone lol! but what about those of us who are smarter then the avrage tinkerer? lol. they might be able to make a something that might make my phone do my dishes and homework. lol! On Jan 20, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Well, that would be like watching tim the tool man tailor, right! - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Apple screwing iPhone users to block them from opening the hardware they paid for. Lol, I think this is quite funny. Really, unless your the like 1% of iPhone owners who want to take your device apart, is this even news worthy? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 20, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee, have you considered that maybe Apple doesn't want you mucking about in there and then trying to claim the device has some sort of flaw, which means they would have to replace or repair it? There is a reason why they don't want the average person messing with the internals. Now once out of warranty, I think you should be able to do whatever you want since if you break it you get to keep the pieces or pay APple to put it back together. Scott On Jan 20, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Is this another method apple i using to control repairs and keep consumers out? read more: http://bit.ly/gpoTpd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
