Re: Braille SupportFixes

2024-01-24 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
I have to get me a laptop that can run Debian but it has to be refurbished then.
I want Mac for music production and music listening.
Bless.
/A

> 22 jan. 2024 kl. 23:49 skrev 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 22/1/24 17:09, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
>> edit with and navigate with.
> I agree, which is why I tend to use my Linux machine for any serious editing 
> at the moment. I can work around the issues on the Mac, but why work around 
> them if you can simply avoid them?
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Re: Braille SupportFixes

2024-01-22 Thread 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 


On 22/1/24 17:09, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
edit with and navigate with.
I agree, which is why I tend to use my Linux machine for any serious 
editing at the moment. I can work around the issues on the Mac, but why 
work around them if you can simply avoid them?


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Re: Braille SupportFixes

2024-01-22 Thread Suzanne Erb 
Hello,
Have you contacted Apple Accessibility about the bugs you are experiencing? I 
know it sometimes feels like you’re talking to thin air, but they are more 
likely to fix things when bugs are documented with them.
It’s also particularly helpful if you can be specific and showing them actual 
examples that you are encountering.
Good luck.
Suzanne

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 06:30, roni mathew  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I’ve asked numerous times about this topic and was wondering if anyone 
> has heard any update; from Apple technology services  on this.
> 
> As Apple Accessibility is far-and-away still stronger than Google, there is 
> more to be desired in the areas of braille editting services.  when you type 
> in braille, or make proofs, you expect  consistency in what you are typing, 
> and accuracy in your proofing. After all, it's your voice coming through, 
> ideas and oppoions expessed, and you demand it state exactly what you intend. 
> Any print reader gets this. Your intelligence and expression shall not, and 
> should never, ever  be undermined at all by the technology/platform  that is 
> used.
> I make this statement out of general commendation for the progress in Apple 
> accessibility, with simultaneous sighing frustration about  this area of 
> braille editting and proofing. Specifically, the jumping of the braille 
> cursor, and irregular freezing and scrambling of braille characters while 
> typing, cursur movement, and while proofing documents of varying lengths, 
> whether in Apple Notes, mail, Google or other apps is, franly, at the present 
> time not to be the case any longer. This  is a matter of braille and general 
> literacy, so vital for the advancement of blind persons everywhere in 
> society. It is not just a lluxury, but is still being overlooked, or perhaps 
> not sufficiently addressed by Apple Accessibility: patchwork excuses being 
> given or suggested. 
> Anyone have suggestions on this, and if we have Apple Support available in 
> Visionaries here, please again do consider this less a complaint, and more 
> the strong potential for consistent growth and ability of the blind 
> everywhere to achieve our best, without the troughts and pitfalls of 
> technologies leaps with pitfalls.   No more of this in 2024;  please fix.
> 
> Thank you  They honestly should not be, not this long. 
> Roni Mathew
> The key to satisfaction is faithful service with a smile: the fruits/product 
> of which is a life of impact.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Go to System Preferences, and Software Updates.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 18:44, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I keep getting a notification that updates need to be installed and asks 
>>> for my system password. I have had no luck in finding out exactly what 
>>> those updates are. suggestions please.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Braille SupportFixes

2024-01-22 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
THere is no apple support person in this forum I guess so they won’t be able to 
listen here.
However I have also been trying to explain several issues I have regarding 
Braille on the Mac.
I sadly has no good news as out of yet.
Its so interesting that braille on both linux and windows are far better to 
edit with and navigate with.
I begin to be a bit fed up of that but I won’t give in yet.
/A

> 19 jan. 2024 kl. 12:30 skrev roni mathew :
> 
> Hello, I’ve asked numerous times about this topic and was wondering if anyone 
> has heard any update; from Apple technology services  on this.
> 
> As Apple Accessibility is far-and-away still stronger than Google, there is 
> more to be desired in the areas of braille editting services.  when you type 
> in braille, or make proofs, you expect  consistency in what you are typing, 
> and accuracy in your proofing. After all, it's your voice coming through, 
> ideas and oppoions expessed, and you demand it state exactly what you intend. 
> Any print reader gets this. Your intelligence and expression shall not, and 
> should never, ever  be undermined at all by the technology/platform  that is 
> used.
> I make this statement out of general commendation for the progress in Apple 
> accessibility, with simultaneous sighing frustration about  this area of 
> braille editting and proofing. Specifically, the jumping of the braille 
> cursor, and irregular freezing and scrambling of braille characters while 
> typing, cursur movement, and while proofing documents of varying lengths, 
> whether in Apple Notes, mail, Google or other apps is, franly, at the present 
> time not to be the case any longer. This  is a matter of braille and general 
> literacy, so vital for the advancement of blind persons everywhere in 
> society. It is not just a lluxury, but is still being overlooked, or perhaps 
> not sufficiently addressed by Apple Accessibility: patchwork excuses being 
> given or suggested. 
> Anyone have suggestions on this, and if we have Apple Support available in 
> Visionaries here, please again do consider this less a complaint, and more 
> the strong potential for consistent growth and ability of the blind 
> everywhere to achieve our best, without the troughts and pitfalls of 
> technologies leaps with pitfalls.   No more of this in 2024;  please fix.
> 
> Thank you  They honestly should not be, not this long. 
> Roni Mathew
> The key to satisfaction is faithful service with a smile: the fruits/product 
> of which is a life of impact.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Go to System Preferences, and Software Updates.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 18:44, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I keep getting a notification that updates need to be installed and asks 
>>> for my system password. I have had no luck in finding out exactly what 
>>> those updates are. suggestions please.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Braille SupportFixes

2024-01-19 Thread roni mathew 
Hello, I’ve asked numerous times about this topic and was wondering if anyone 
has heard any update; from Apple technology services  on this.

As Apple Accessibility is far-and-away still stronger than Google, there is 
more to be desired in the areas of braille editting services.  when you type in 
braille, or make proofs, you expect  consistency in what you are typing, and 
accuracy in your proofing. After all, it's your voice coming through, ideas and 
oppoions expessed, and you demand it state exactly what you intend. Any print 
reader gets this. Your intelligence and expression shall not, and should never, 
ever  be undermined at all by the technology/platform  that is used.
 I make this statement out of general commendation for the progress in Apple 
accessibility, with simultaneous sighing frustration about  this area of 
braille editting and proofing. Specifically, the jumping of the braille cursor, 
and irregular freezing and scrambling of braille characters while typing, 
cursur movement, and while proofing documents of varying lengths, whether in 
Apple Notes, mail, Google or other apps is, franly, at the present time not to 
be the case any longer. This  is a matter of braille and general literacy, so 
vital for the advancement of blind persons everywhere in society. It is not 
just a lluxury, but is still being overlooked, or perhaps not sufficiently 
addressed by Apple Accessibility: patchwork excuses being given or suggested. 
Anyone have suggestions on this, and if we have Apple Support available in 
Visionaries here, please again do consider this less a complaint, and more the 
strong potential for consistent growth and ability of the blind everywhere to 
achieve our best, without the troughts and pitfalls of technologies leaps with 
pitfalls.   No more of this in 2024;  please fix.

Thank you  They honestly should not be, not this long. 
Roni Mathew
The key to satisfaction is faithful service with a smile: the fruits/product of 
which is a life of impact.

> On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Go to System Preferences, and Software Updates.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 18:44, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I keep getting a notification that updates need to be installed and asks for 
>> my system password. I have had no luck in finding out exactly what those 
>> updates are. suggestions please.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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