Re: Braille on IOS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I assume you tell the accessibility team that.
That will actually help I guess.
I use to mail them every now and then as there are a lot of things that needs 
to be fixed  so that braille should work properly on the Mac.
I don’t use a braille display with quirky keyboard.
I use the Handitech or Helptech basic braille 40.
/A

> 15 feb. 2022 kl. 23:33 skrev joseph hodge :
> 
> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Using braille on the Mac with a topical display with the Perkins keyboard is 
> quite challenging as they don't have a lot of commands to jump around the 
> operating system. However using something like the Mantis from APH and 
> Humanware is much easier as it is a full qwerty keyboard with a braille 
> display under it. Hims also has the qx braille but looking at documentation 
> for it it seems kind of complicated as you have to go between keyboard mode 
> and braille mode. Maybe someone with that display can chime in here to speak 
> on that. All that being said I would say Mac support is a bit sluggish 
> overall and feels like Apple hasn't paid as much attention to it as iOS. It 
> works, but doesn’t seem to feel as snappy as Windows.
> 
> Joe
> 
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Re: Braille on IOS

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 15/2/22 17:33, joseph hodge wrote:
Using braille on the Mac with a topical display with the Perkins 
keyboard is quite challenging as they don't have a lot of commands to 
jump around the operating system.


There are commands to emulate most of the keys (control, command, 
option), and braille key assignments for the VoiceOver functions - so 
you could indeed work primarily from the braille display if this were 
your preference.


I tend to use the QWERTY keyboard and then switch to the braille display 
to read text. I do the same regardless of operating system.


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Re: Braille on IOS

['Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries]

I also want to learn to use Braille display with Mac - the command to stop 
interacting does not work with my Brailliant Bi 40 X and Apple Accessibility 
have confirmed this and are investigating. 
Harry

> On 15 Feb 2022, at 22:22, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just to let you all know that Scott (not sure how to spell his surname) is 
> doing a brilliant series on Braille with IOS on the Braillist Foundation 
> website.  If I can learn how to do the braille on the Mac then I’ll be sorted 
> but it’s not there for me yet.  If anyone knows if the command keys (doing it 
> with the braille display) is the same on the Mac, please do let me know as 
> I’ve been trying to do it but with not a lot of luck.
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> Thanks.
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Re: Braille on IOS

[joseph hodge]

Hi Kawal,

Using braille on the Mac with a topical display with the Perkins keyboard is 
quite challenging as they don't have a lot of commands to jump around the 
operating system. However using something like the Mantis from APH and 
Humanware is much easier as it is a full qwerty keyboard with a braille display 
under it. Hims also has the qx braille but looking at documentation for it it 
seems kind of complicated as you have to go between keyboard mode and braille 
mode. Maybe someone with that display can chime in here to speak on that. All 
that being said I would say Mac support is a bit sluggish overall and feels 
like Apple hasn't paid as much attention to it as iOS. It works, but doesn’t 
seem to feel as snappy as Windows.

Joe

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:22 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Kawal

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Braille on IOS

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Just to let you all know that Scott (not sure how to spell his surname) is 
doing a brilliant series on Braille with IOS on the Braillist Foundation 
website.  If I can learn how to do the braille on the Mac then I’ll be sorted 
but it’s not there for me yet.  If anyone knows if the command keys (doing it 
with the braille display) is the same on the Mac, please do let me know as I’ve 
been trying to do it but with not a lot of luck.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Make the Most of Braille on iOS Devices with the Braillists Foundation, Tomorrow at 7:30 PM UK Time

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RE: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Simon Fogarty]

The answer I believe is possibly!

There is no read write Lightening to USB adaptor other than the lightening to 
USB camera adaptor which allows you to connect a camera to your iPhone or IOS 
device and then view the photos on the camera or it’s storage card,
This is a read only situation there is no write side of the adaptor / 
connection.

And of course there is always an however or but!

I’ve seen youtube videos on jailbreaking of an IOS device and will allow you to 
use the USB to lightening camera adaptor into a usable USB connection.

It also involved using a powered USB Hub as the IOS device didn’t have enough 
power output to read and write to the USB Flash drive.

So All I can say is give it a goo.
into Voiceover settings/Braille, and get my display to work? I just got off the 
phone with Apple before sending this message, and they told me that was 
actually a really darn good question, and to tell me the truth, they really 
honestly aren't sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just 
can't be too sure.

Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?

Chris.
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Re: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Scott Granados]

John, bluetooth 4.2 is pretty good.  30 meters range and you can pair 8 devices 
or so pretty successfully.  Braille devices are very simple serial channels so 
don’t require a lot of horsepower.  The interoperability and interference 
avoidance with WiFi is also quite good now I believe it’s called bluetooth 
collaboration mode.  Not sure on the cryptographic strength, that was always a 
weak point.

Hope that helps.

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> That is unfortunate, there are times when wireless is just not reliable / 
> secure enough. I wonder at what level of density does bluetooth performance 
> degrade to being nearly unusable.  
> 
> 
> On 20 December 2016 at 10:40, E.T.  > wrote:
>There is no USB support for the iDevices.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
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> 
> On 12/20/2016 3:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I
> know I said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in
> regards to iOS, *not!* OSX.
> 
> So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd
> ask. How extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation
> to braille is, let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter.
> I know for a fact that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take
> my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's braille display, plug it via USB into the
> adapter, then put that adapter into the lightning port of my iPhone, or
> iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into Voiceover settings/Braille,
> and get my display to work? I just got off the phone with Apple before
> sending this message, and they told me that was actually a really darn
> good question, and to tell me the truth, they really honestly aren't
> sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just can't be too
> sure.
> 
> Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Gilland Marketing]

that's kind of what I suspected, but I just wanted to make sure.

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:24, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> That is unfortunate, there are times when wireless is just not reliable / 
> secure enough. I wonder at what level of density does bluetooth performance 
> degrade to being nearly unusable.  
> 
> 
>> On 20 December 2016 at 10:40, E.T.  wrote:
>>There is no USB support for the iDevices.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/20/2016 3:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I
>>> know I said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in
>>> regards to iOS, *not!* OSX.
>>> 
>>> So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd
>>> ask. How extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation
>>> to braille is, let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter.
>>> I know for a fact that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take
>>> my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's braille display, plug it via USB into the
>>> adapter, then put that adapter into the lightning port of my iPhone, or
>>> iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into Voiceover settings/Braille,
>>> and get my display to work? I just got off the phone with Apple before
>>> sending this message, and they told me that was actually a really darn
>>> good question, and to tell me the truth, they really honestly aren't
>>> sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just can't be too
>>> sure.
>>> 
>>> Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Jonathan Cohn]

That is unfortunate, there are times when wireless is just not reliable /
secure enough. I wonder at what level of density does bluetooth performance
degrade to being nearly unusable.


On 20 December 2016 at 10:40, E.T.  wrote:

>There is no USB support for the iDevices.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
>
> On 12/20/2016 3:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>
>> Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I
>> know I said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in
>> regards to iOS, *not!* OSX.
>>
>> So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd
>> ask. How extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation
>> to braille is, let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter.
>> I know for a fact that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take
>> my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's braille display, plug it via USB into the
>> adapter, then put that adapter into the lightning port of my iPhone, or
>> iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into Voiceover settings/Braille,
>> and get my display to work? I just got off the phone with Apple before
>> sending this message, and they told me that was actually a really darn
>> good question, and to tell me the truth, they really honestly aren't
>> sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just can't be too
>> sure.
>>
>> Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?
>>
>> Chris.
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Re: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Scott Granados]

That’s not true actually, there is.  Adapters exist and you can attach certain 
devices via USB, same with Android, but the support is not 100% from what I 
understand.  There is a lightning Ethernet adapter as well.

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:40 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   There is no USB support for the iDevices.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/20/2016 3:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I
>> know I said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in
>> regards to iOS, *not!* OSX.
>> 
>> So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd
>> ask. How extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation
>> to braille is, let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter.
>> I know for a fact that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take
>> my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's braille display, plug it via USB into the
>> adapter, then put that adapter into the lightning port of my iPhone, or
>> iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into Voiceover settings/Braille,
>> and get my display to work? I just got off the phone with Apple before
>> sending this message, and they told me that was actually a really darn
>> good question, and to tell me the truth, they really honestly aren't
>> sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just can't be too
>> sure.
>> 
>> Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[E.T.]

   There is no USB support for the iDevices.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 12/20/2016 3:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I
know I said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in
regards to iOS, *not!* OSX.

So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd
ask. How extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation
to braille is, let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter.
I know for a fact that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take
my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's braille display, plug it via USB into the
adapter, then put that adapter into the lightning port of my iPhone, or
iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into Voiceover settings/Braille,
and get my display to work? I just got off the phone with Apple before
sending this message, and they told me that was actually a really darn
good question, and to tell me the truth, they really honestly aren't
sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just can't be too
sure.

Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?

Chris.

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Perhaps a dumb question about braille on iOS

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Before I go too far into this message, I want to save any confusion. I know I 
said this in my subject, but let me reidderate: this is in regards to iOS, 
*not!* OSX.

So, I'm not sure if this would actually work, but I figured that I'd ask. How 
extensive is iOS's USB support? By this what I mean in relation to braille is, 
let's say I was to buy a female USB to lightning adapter. I know for a fact 
that Apple sells them. Could I, then, in theory, take my Pac Mate Omni BX 20's 
braille display, plug it via USB into the adapter, then put that adapter into 
the lightning port of my iPhone, or iPad, and expect it to allow me to go into 
Voiceover settings/Braille, and get my display to work? I just got off the 
phone with Apple before sending this message, and they told me that was 
actually a really darn good question, and to tell me the truth, they really 
honestly aren't sure. They said they suspect? it would work? but they just 
can't be too sure.

Have any a you guys actually tried this, and if so, diddit work?

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braille input IOS, question

[Paul Erkens]

Hi active iphone braillers,

Does the iphone support contracted braille in other languages than English? I’m 
Dutch and I still remember grade 2 Dutch braille from elementary school, but 
its vocabulary has some inconsistencies and I don’t know if it was ever 
standardized to fit our modern age. Is any one of you using contracted braille 
on the iphone in a language other than English? Curious.

Paul.

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Re: braille input IOS, question

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Not in Swedish sadly.
Don’t know about other languages than english.
/A
> On 11 Oct 2015, at 18:58, Paul Erkens  wrote:
> 
> Hi active iphone braillers,
> 
> Does the iphone support contracted braille in other languages than English? 
> I’m Dutch and I still remember grade 2 Dutch braille from elementary school, 
> but its vocabulary has some inconsistencies and I don’t know if it was ever 
> standardized to fit our modern age. Is any one of you using contracted 
> braille on the iphone in a language other than English? Curious.
> 
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New Braille Sonar iOS App

[Certdoctor]

Hey Guys,
Been a while since I posted here but i just listed a fully accessible App 
on Apple's App Store. The App is a Braille reference tool called Braille 
Sonar. Check it out if interested.

Link to App Store:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/braille-sonar/id577954633?mt=8
Video for Visual Users: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc8on7HZ5XI
VoiceOver Audio Demo: 
http://atyourfingertips.biz/apps/media/voiceoverdemo.mp3


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Re: New Braille Sonar iOS App

[Scott Davert]

HI.
I've already recommended to the few people that I know who are
studying contracted braille with iDevices that they get this one. I
like how it lists the rules associated with the translation along with
the dot combinations. I hope they'll develop one for UEB as well. The
dev indicated that it is something he's looking into.

Scott

On 12/14/12, Certdoctor mrgu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Guys,
 Been a while since I posted here but i just listed a fully accessible App
 on Apple's App Store. The App is a Braille reference tool called Braille
 Sonar. Check it out if interested.

 Link to App Store:
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/braille-sonar/id577954633?mt=8
 Video for Visual Users:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc8on7HZ5XI
 VoiceOver Audio Demo:
 http://atyourfingertips.biz/apps/media/voiceoverdemo.mp3


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Re: New Braille Sonar iOS App

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I have a question about this app. If I need it for Nemeth Code symbols, would 
you input your Nemeth symbol and/or expression with the braille display? I can 
see putting in dots for one or two cells, but I would think something else 
would be needed to input, say, a modified expression such as a circle with a 
number inside it. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Certdoctor mrgu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Guys,
 Been a while since I posted here but i just listed a fully accessible App on 
 Apple's App Store. The App is a Braille reference tool called Braille Sonar. 
 Check it out if interested.
 Link to App Store:
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/braille-sonar/id577954633?mt=8
 Video for Visual Users: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc8on7HZ5XI
 VoiceOver Audio Demo: 
 http://atyourfingertips.biz/apps/media/voiceoverdemo.mp3
 
 
 
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