Re: Captcha recognition
All fantastic points. Again, I absolutely agree. I did a poor job of expressing my suggestion. I think it’s important, very important for blind people to have many different tools in their toolbox. I wouldn’t suggest anyone rely on solely using a Mac. I use a Mac, windows computer, iPhone. I also use two screen readers on windows. None of the options I use can get the job done every time. It’s good to have basic computer skills on different platforms and using different screen readers. still, sometimes I need sided assistance. as you said, reporting is the best way to improve. I find many developers willing to change if they only knew what our community needs were. Honestly, I need to report more. There’s just so many accessibility issues out there that I get lazy sometimes. Smiles. Rod On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 4:35 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > would love to see them manage that with my non-windows setup smiles. > we get there as You say, by informing those illustrating the behavior > that the captcha is not inclusive..speaking personally. > does not diminish the value for those such services provides, while > leading to more inclusion generally, since captcha is a problem for many > populations. > > > > On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Rod skene wrote: > > > Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a > > need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we’ll > get > > there, but we haven’t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service > > directly to your PC. No Smart phone needed. > > Rod > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen > > wrote: > > > >> what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* > with > >> a comparative print challenge can automatically find a *someone* to be > >> the non-challenged solution here. > >> If you do not have a smartphone, then what? > >> to be sure, i firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can > >> access it of course. > >> for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the > >> "cannot someone else do this for you?" thinking of many outside of > >> various challenge experiences. > >> Just my take, > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote: > >> > >>> If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes > >> app > >>> Harry > >>> > On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries < > >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one > has > >> no audio equivalent. > > Andrew > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >> Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach > mark > >> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara > at > >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com > >> . > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >> Visionaries list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara > at > >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>> > >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>> --- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com > >> . > >>> > >>> > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the
Re: Captcha recognition
would love to see them manage that with my non-windows setup smiles. we get there as You say, by informing those illustrating the behavior that the captcha is not inclusive..speaking personally. does not diminish the value for those such services provides, while leading to more inclusion generally, since captcha is a problem for many populations. On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, Rod skene wrote: Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we???ll get there, but we haven???t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service directly to your PC. No Smart phone needed. Rod On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with a comparative print challenge can automatically find a *someone* to be the non-challenged solution here. If you do not have a smartphone, then what? to be sure, i firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can access it of course. for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the "cannot someone else do this for you?" thinking of many outside of various challenge experiences. Just my take, Karen On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote: If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app Harry On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries < macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: ???Hi, Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no audio equivalent. Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CAECbczuzXSkP87ZN881OwUbLLKa%3D8svY7sOj30PtvJVaa4Nr7g%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Captcha recognition
Karen, I agree with your point completely, but unfortunately, there is a need for services like AIRA and be my eyes still. Maybe, one day we’ll get there, but we haven’t gotten there yet. Also, AIRA can provide service directly to your PC. No Smart phone needed. Rod On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 3:24 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with > a comparative print challenge can automatically find a *someone* to be > the non-challenged solution here. > If you do not have a smartphone, then what? > to be sure, i firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can > access it of course. > for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the > "cannot someone else do this for you?" thinking of many outside of > various challenge experiences. > Just my take, > Karen > > > > On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote: > > > If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes > app > > Harry > > > >> On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries < > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has > no audio equivalent. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com > . > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com > . > > > > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CAECbczuzXSkP87ZN881OwUbLLKa%3D8svY7sOj30PtvJVaa4Nr7g%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Captcha recognition
what concerns me about this option is the assumption that *everyone* with a comparative print challenge can automatically find a *someone* to be the non-challenged solution here. If you do not have a smartphone, then what? to be sure, i firmly feel this service is wonderful, for those who can access it of course. for me, speaking personally, reaching for such a solution feeds the "cannot someone else do this for you?" thinking of many outside of various challenge experiences. Just my take, Karen On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote: If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app Harry On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no audio equivalent. Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com.
Re: Captcha recognition
Hi there, Regardless of the solution, please consider reporting the barrier to the source as well. Not everyone encountering the issue has a resource to seek help wise. Kare On Mon, 5 Sep 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no audio equivalent. Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com.
Re: Captcha recognition
I wonder if this is where that new app Aira has would help? > On Sep 5, 2022, at 10:55, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app > Harry > >> On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no >> audio equivalent. >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/EA7B-AAE3-4DD5-88EC-2F4B2608EFDA%40gmail.com.
Re: Captcha recognition
If you have a smartphone, you could get sighted help via the Be My Eyes app Harry > On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:22, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no > audio equivalent. > > Andrew > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40F9247D-CAD0-4160-AB59-21A16C1DFAB2%40icloud.com.
Captcha recognition
Hi, Is there a way to deal with captchas in Safari? The particular one has no audio equivalent. Andrew -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/50F6D5BC-27DD-4D77-B608-3E61A000897C%40me.com.
Re: Captcha recognition in Safari on Mac OS
Romula is the only one that I know of that does this, and during the time I used it, I didn’t always find it to be helpful. There were multiple instances where I knew sites had captchas, but it wouldn’t find them. > On Feb 24, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Tibor Niesner wrote: > > Hello, > > does exist extension to Safari on Mac for the captcha recognition? I use > Rumolla in Google Chrome, but i am interrested in extension for the Safari. > A Rumolla exists for Safari, but it is impossible use this. > > Thank you. > > Tibor > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/92E99D76-7B7C-46AD-9A6E-AA7174331305%40seznam.cz. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/100CAD5A-6A41-422D-8F5B-DA5A282C983D%40gmail.com.
Captcha recognition in Safari on Mac OS
Hello, does exist extension to Safari on Mac for the captcha recognition? I use Rumolla in Google Chrome, but i am interrested in extension for the Safari. A Rumolla exists for Safari, but it is impossible use this. Thank you. Tibor -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/92E99D76-7B7C-46AD-9A6E-AA7174331305%40seznam.cz.
