Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-30 Thread gs 
This is not good news. I wonder why Readability is shutting down today? Well, 
looks like we'll have to see if Readkit releases an update.


On Sep 30, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

No, in the end I resorted to sighted assistance, and it renders differently for 
everyone under Sierra, with no way to change it back. It makes using it far 
less efficient. I also note that Readability is shutting down which Readkit 
uses extensively, so unless the developer comes out with a new version, it 
might be time to go back to Vienna RSS or investigate other options.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 29/09/2016, at 11:10 AM, gs  > wrote:
> 
> I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening 
> as of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
> before getting to the headline.
> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
> a way to change it back.
> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-30 Thread Jonathan Mosen 
No, in the end I resorted to sighted assistance, and it renders differently for 
everyone under Sierra, with no way to change it back. It makes using it far 
less efficient. I also note that Readability is shutting down which Readkit 
uses extensively, so unless the developer comes out with a new version, it 
might be time to go back to Vienna RSS or investigate other options.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 29/09/2016, at 11:10 AM, gs  wrote:
> 
> I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening 
> as of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
> before getting to the headline.
> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
> a way to change it back.
> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-28 Thread gs 
I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening as 
of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, and 
then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the source 
of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to before 
getting to the headline.
Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find a 
way to change it back.
Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
Thanks,
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-20 Thread gs 
I am currently installing Sierra and will definitely be attempting to solve 
this shortly myself.

On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Thanks Alex, I'll have a play. Are you using another RSS reader?
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> On 21/09/2016, at 1:40 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
> headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
> vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging 
> them around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
> dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
> headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
>> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
>> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
>> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
>> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
>> before getting to the headline.
>> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
>> a way to change it back.
>> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-20 Thread Jonathan Mosen 
Thanks Alex, I'll have a play. Are you using another RSS reader?
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> On 21/09/2016, at 1:40 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
> headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
> vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging 
> them around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
> dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
> headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
>> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
>> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
>> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
>> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
>> before getting to the headline.
>> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
>> a way to change it back.
>> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-20 Thread Alex Hall 
I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging them 
around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
> before getting to the headline.
> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
> a way to change it back.
> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

2016-09-20 Thread Jonathan Mosen 
Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, and 
then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the source 
of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to before 
getting to the headline.
Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find a 
way to change it back.
Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
Thanks,
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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