Re: Clarification about alius folders

[Jonathan Cohn]

MacOS initially was developed by taking NextOS principles and porting over a 
file system that had the abilities to support MacOS 9 HFS file system. This 
allowed early Macintosh systems to run both UNIX and older Mac software in a 
that worked very similarly to VMWare Fusion in Unity view. Since Apple stock 
was under $5 a share and they had little capacity for development they created 
Darwin OS at the same time which  is a Open Source version of the UNIX parts of 
MacOS. Darwin is was at least originally based on a CMU micro kernel with a BSD 
set of commands often the GNU versions that were developed at MIT. The two 
major versions of BSD systems still out there are FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I 
believe that Darwin cooperated with the OpenBSD developers for a while, but I 
am not sure of that. Certainly in the late 1990’s most security folks I talked 
with preferred to build their own firewall systems on the OpenBSD platform and 
at least one VPN provider that I did consulting with used OpenBSD systems 
because trusted them to be more secure than other open source unix projects.

Sorry for nerding out here, I miss my UNIX work. 

Jonathan

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RE: Clarification about alius folders

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I think it’s the one called Fre BSD
But that’s from many years back now.

From: 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2018 3:51 PM
To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List 
Subject: Re: Clarification about alius folders

So it is Berkley Unix that underlies MacOS? I suppose I should have gone into 
Terminal and checked the Unix version.

I recall that many folks at Bell Labs felt that Berkley’s enhanced system call 
suite forUnix was unnecessary “overkill,” but I’m sure there is plenty of 
justification from the University’s point-of-view!



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from 
man."
- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

On Nov 18, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

At least in HFS / HFS+ an alias is a bit more powerful than a symbolic link. An 
alias will still point to a file or folder if the item is moved from its 
original location. If you create a symbolic link then move the item the 
symbolic link is pointing to then it ends up pointing to nothing.
yes you are correct about the original behavior of rm vs rmdir. BSD 4.4  I 
believe added the rm -r  option to recursively remove a directory and all its 
contents. Generally the -f option was added to force as much as possible the 
ignoring of errors during the rm -r operation.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:32 AM, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Couple of thoughts here.And

Isn’t an “alias” in fact a symbolic link to a “real component?”

The other thought is, does the “rm” Terminal command delete a folder? I recall 
using the “rmdir” command to delete folders/directories in AT UNIX.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents."
- German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:00 PM, John   
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything works 
as expected. I think something must have happened with the first   folder I 
tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I was able to 
move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it can’t be 
deleted.

Thanks so much for all of your help.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder via 
finder and the changes were reflected.

 I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
showing the proper path to the Docments folder.


On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are your documents being kept in iCloud?



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi:
Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
folder to the desktop and not move it.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the process 
for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are trying to create 
an alias to your Documents folder.

1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to create an 
Alias.
3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you choose. 
Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its title.
4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open your 
Documents Folder.



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi John:
I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a change in 
the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original folder.
It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
folder. Any other ideas?



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote

RE: Clarification about alius folders

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes I thought an alias was just a pointer to an actual folder,



From: 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2018 8:33 PM
To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List 
Subject: Re: Clarification about alius folders

Couple of thoughts here.

Isn’t an “alias” in fact a symbolic link to a “real component?”

The other thought is, does the “rm” Terminal command delete a folder? I recall 
using the “rmdir” command to delete folders/directories in AT UNIX.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents."
- German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:00 PM, John   
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything works 
as expected. I think something must have happened with the first alius folder I 
tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I was able to 
move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it can’t be 
deleted.

Thanks so much for all of your help.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder via 
finder and the changes were reflected.

 I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
showing the proper path to the Docments folder.


On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are your documents being kept in iCloud?



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi:
Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
folder to the desktop and not move it.



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the process 
for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are trying to create 
an alias to your Documents folder.

1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to create an 
Alias.
3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you choose. 
Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its title.
4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open your 
Documents Folder.



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi John:
I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a change in 
the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original folder.
It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
folder. Any other ideas?



On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a pointer 
file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your desktop to your 
Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening the actual folder. 
So, any changes that are made are actually made in that folder.

Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is contained 
first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you do a command-I 
on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file and not the actual 
item itself.



On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker 
mailto:radiofore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello All:
I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under the 
imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would also be 
made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on my desktop 
thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use frequently would save 
me time. However, I added something to the alius version of that folder but the 
change has not been reflected in the actual folder located in my documents 
folder structure.
Can someone explain how this works?

Many thanks,
Jean




Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development


Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Clarification about alius folders

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

So it is Berkley Unix that underlies MacOS? I suppose I should have gone into 
Terminal and checked the Unix version.

I recall that many folks at Bell Labs felt that Berkley’s enhanced system call 
suite forUnix was unnecessary “overkill,” but I’m sure there is plenty of 
justification from the University’s point-of-view!



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from 
man."
- US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

On Nov 18, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

At least in HFS / HFS+ an alias is a bit more powerful than a symbolic link. An 
alias will still point to a file or folder if the item is moved from its 
original location. If you create a symbolic link then move the item the 
symbolic link is pointing to then it ends up pointing to nothing.
> yes you are correct about the original behavior of rm vs rmdir. BSD 4.4  I 
> believe added the rm -r  option to recursively remove a directory and all its 
> contents. Generally the -f option was added to force as much as possible the 
> ignoring of errors during the rm -r operation.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:32 AM, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Couple of thoughts here.And 
> 
> Isn’t an “alias” in fact a symbolic link to a “real component?”
> 
> The other thought is, does the “rm” Terminal command delete a folder? I 
> recall using the “rmdir” command to delete folders/directories in AT UNIX.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
> resents."
> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:00 PM, John> wrote:
> 
>   I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
> Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything 
>> works as expected. I think something must have happened with the first   
>> folder I tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I 
>> was able to move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it 
>> can’t be deleted.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for all of your help.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. 
>>> I created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes 
>>> to that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents 
>>> folder via finder and the changes were reflected.
>>> 
>>>  I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
>>> showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker >>> > wrote:
 
 No.
 
 
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the 
>> alius folder to the desktop and not move it. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>>> 
>>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
>>> create an Alias. 
>>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as 
>>> its title.
>>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually 
>>> open your Documents Folder. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John:
 I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its 
 original location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop 
 and made a change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected 
 in the original folder.
 It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation 

Re: Clarification about alius folders

[Jonathan Cohn]

At least in HFS / HFS+ an alias is a bit more powerful than a symbolic link. An 
alias will still point to a file or folder if the item is moved from its 
original location. If you create a symbolic link then move the item the 
symbolic link is pointing to then it ends up pointing to nothing.
> yes you are correct about the original behavior of rm vs rmdir. BSD 4.4  I 
> believe added the rm -r  option to recursively remove a directory and all its 
> contents. Generally the -f option was added to force as much as possible the 
> ignoring of errors during the rm -r operation.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 18, 2018, at 2:32 AM, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Couple of thoughts here.And 
> 
> Isn’t an “alias” in fact a symbolic link to a “real component?”
> 
> The other thought is, does the “rm” Terminal command delete a folder? I 
> recall using the “rmdir” command to delete folders/directories in AT UNIX.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
> resents."
> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
> 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:00 PM, John> wrote:
> 
>   I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
> Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything 
>> works as expected. I think something must have happened with the first alius 
>> folder I tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I 
>> was able to move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it 
>> can’t be deleted.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for all of your help.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. 
>>> I created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes 
>>> to that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents 
>>> folder via finder and the changes were reflected.
>>> 
>>>  I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
>>> showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker >>> > wrote:
 
 No.
 
 
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the 
>> alius folder to the desktop and not move it. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>>> 
>>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
>>> create an Alias. 
>>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as 
>>> its title.
>>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually 
>>> open your Documents Folder. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi John:
 I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its 
 original location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop 
 and made a change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected 
 in the original folder.
 It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
 alius folder. Any other ideas?
 
 
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
> If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
> opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
> made in that folder.
> 
> Make sure you create the alias in the directory 

Re: Clarification about alius folders

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

Couple of thoughts here.

Isn’t an “alias” in fact a symbolic link to a “real component?”

The other thought is, does the “rm” Terminal command delete a folder? I recall 
using the “rmdir” command to delete folders/directories in AT UNIX.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents."
- German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Johnwrote:

  I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything 
> works as expected. I think something must have happened with the first alius 
> folder I tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I 
> was able to move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it 
> can’t be deleted.
> 
> Thanks so much for all of your help.
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
>> created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
>> that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder 
>> via finder and the changes were reflected.
>> 
>>  I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
>> showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
> folder to the desktop and not move it. 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>> 
>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
>> create an Alias. 
>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as 
>> its title.
>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
>> your Documents Folder. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John:
>>> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its 
>>> original location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and 
>>> made a change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in 
>>> the original folder.
>>> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
>>> alius folder. Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
 pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
 desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
 opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
 made in that folder.
 
 Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
 contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When 
 you do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an 
 Alias file and not the actual item itself.
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been 
> under the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder 
> that it would also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder 
> that I use often on my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version 
> of folders I use frequently would save me time. However, I added 
> something to the alius version of that folder but the change has not 
> been reflected in the actual folder located in my documents folder 
> structure.
> Can someone explain how this works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
> Trans4m Center For 

Re: Clarification about alius folders

[John Panarese]

   I wonder why it can’t be deleted. If you have any experience working in 
Terminal, try the, “rm” command to see if you can delete it that way.


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:56 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything 
> works as expected. I think something must have happened with the first alius 
> folder I tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I 
> was able to move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it 
> can’t be deleted.
> 
> Thanks so much for all of your help.
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
>> created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
>> that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder 
>> via finder and the changes were reflected.
>> 
>>   I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
>> showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
> folder to the desktop and not move it. 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>> 
>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
>> create an Alias. 
>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as 
>> its title.
>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
>> your Documents Folder. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John:
>>> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its 
>>> original location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and 
>>> made a change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in 
>>> the original folder.
>>> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
>>> alius folder. Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
 pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
 desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
 opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
 made in that folder.
 
 Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
 contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When 
 you do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an 
 Alias file and not the actual item itself.
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been 
> under the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder 
> that it would also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder 
> that I use often on my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version 
> of folders I use frequently would save me time. However, I added 
> something to the alius version of that folder but the change has not 
> been reflected in the actual folder located in my documents folder 
> structure.
> Can someone explain how this works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
> 
> 
> Geneva, Switzerland
> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

Interesting, I have now tried it as you have explained it and everything works 
as expected. I think something must have happened with the first alius folder I 
tried to create because now I can’t delete it from the desktop. I was able to 
move it someplace else to get it out of the way but even then it can’t be 
deleted.

Thanks so much for all of your help.


> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:49 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
> created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
> that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder 
> via finder and the changes were reflected.
> 
>I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
> showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
 
 Hi:
 Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
 folder to the desktop and not move it. 
 
 
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
> 
> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
> create an Alias. 
> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its 
> title.
> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
> your Documents Folder. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John:
>> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
>> location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a 
>> change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the 
>> original folder.
>> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
>> alius folder. Any other ideas?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
>>> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
>>> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
>>> opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
>>> made in that folder.
>>> 
>>> Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
>>> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When 
>>> you do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias 
>>> file and not the actual item itself.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  
 wrote:
 
 Hello All:
 I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been 
 under the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that 
 it would also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I 
 use often on my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of 
 folders I use frequently would save me time. However, I added 
 something to the alius version of that folder but the change has not 
 been reflected in the actual folder located in my documents folder 
 structure.
 Can someone explain how this works?
 
 Many thanks,
 Jean
 
 
 
 
 Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
 Senior Research Fellow
 Trans4m Center For Integral Development
 
 
 Geneva, Switzerland
 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[John Panarese]

  I just did some experimenting here and everything is working as it should. I 
created an alias to my documents folder on my desktop, made some changes to 
that folder from the alias, closed the window, went to my documents folder via 
finder and the changes were reflected.

I can only suggest to press command-i on the alias and be sure that it is 
showing the proper path to the Docments folder. 

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> No.
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
>>> folder to the desktop and not move it. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
 process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
 trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
 
 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
 create an Alias. 
 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
 choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its 
 title.
 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
 You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
 your Documents Folder. 
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi John:
> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
> location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a 
> change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the 
> original folder.
> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
> alius folder. Any other ideas?
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
>> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
>> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
>> opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
>> made in that folder.
>> 
>> Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
>> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When 
>> you do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias 
>> file and not the actual item itself.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All:
>>> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been 
>>> under the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that 
>>> it would also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I 
>>> use often on my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of 
>>> folders I use frequently would save me time. However, I added something 
>>> to the alius version of that folder but the change has not been 
>>> reflected in the actual folder located in my documents folder structure.
>>> Can someone explain how this works?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Research Fellow
>>> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Geneva, Switzerland
>>> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

No.


> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:37 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Are your documents being kept in iCloud?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
>> folder to the desktop and not move it. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>>> 
>>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to 
>>> create an Alias. 
>>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its 
>>> title.
>>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
>>> your Documents Folder. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
 
 Hi John:
 I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
 location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a 
 change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original 
 folder.
 It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the 
 alius folder. Any other ideas?
 
 
> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
> opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually 
> made in that folder.
> 
> Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When 
> you do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias 
> file and not the actual item itself.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under 
>> the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it 
>> would also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use 
>> often on my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I 
>> use frequently would save me time. However, I added something to the 
>> alius version of that folder but the change has not been reflected in 
>> the actual folder located in my documents folder structure.
>> Can someone explain how this works?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>> Senior Research Fellow
>> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
>> 
>> 
>> Geneva, Switzerland
>> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[John Panarese]

   Are your documents being kept in iCloud?


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:35 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
> folder to the desktop and not move it. 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>   OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
>> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are 
>> trying to create an alias to your Documents folder.
>> 
>> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
>> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to create 
>> an Alias. 
>> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
>> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its 
>> title.
>> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
>> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
>> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>> You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
>> your Documents Folder. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John:
>>> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
>>> location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a 
>>> change in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original 
>>> folder.
>>> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
>>> folder. Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
 On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
 
 If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
 pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
 desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are 
 opening the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made 
 in that folder.
 
 Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
 contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you 
 do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file 
 and not the actual item itself.
 
 
> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under 
> the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would 
> also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on 
> my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use 
> frequently would save me time. However, I added something to the alius 
> version of that folder but the change has not been reflected in the 
> actual folder located in my documents folder structure.
> Can someone explain how this works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
> Senior Research Fellow
> Trans4m Center For Integral Development
> 
> 
> Geneva, Switzerland
> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

Hi:
Yes, I did all of the steps but it only seems to work if I copy the alius 
folder to the desktop and not move it. 


> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:32 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
> process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are trying 
> to create an alias to your Documents folder.
> 
> 1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
> 2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to create 
> an Alias. 
> 3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you 
> choose. Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its 
> title.
> 4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
> 5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
> 6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
>  You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open 
> your Documents Folder. 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John:
>> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
>> location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a change 
>> in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original folder.
>> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
>> folder. Any other ideas?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
>>> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
>>> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening 
>>> the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made in that 
>>> folder.
>>> 
>>>  Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
>>> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you 
>>> do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file 
>>> and not the actual item itself.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
 
 Hello All:
 I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under 
 the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would 
 also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on 
 my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use 
 frequently would save me time. However, I added something to the alius 
 version of that folder but the change has not been reflected in the actual 
 folder located in my documents folder structure.
 Can someone explain how this works?
 
 Many thanks,
 Jean
 
 
 
 
 Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
 Senior Research Fellow
 Trans4m Center For Integral Development
 
 
 Geneva, Switzerland
 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[John Panarese]

OK. I’m not sure what you mean so let me break down the steps to the 
process for you and hopefully clarify my meaning. Let’s assume you are trying 
to create an alias to your Documents folder.

1. Navigate to your home folder and locate your Documents folder.
2. When on the Documents Folder, press Command-control-a in Mojave to create an 
Alias. 
3. You should have the alias and should be able to edit the name if you choose. 
Just press enter if you want to maintain, Documents Alias, as its title.
4. Press command-c to copy the alias.
5. Press VO-shift-d to go to your desktop.
6. Press command-option-v to move the alias to the Desktop.
  You now have the alias on the desktop, and opening it will actually open your 
Documents Folder. 


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:20 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hi John:
> I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
> location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a change 
> in the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original folder.
> It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
> folder. Any other ideas?
> 
> 
>> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
>> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your 
>> desktop to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening 
>> the actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made in that 
>> folder.
>> 
>>   Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
>> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you 
>> do a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file and 
>> not the actual item itself.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All:
>>> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under 
>>> the imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would 
>>> also be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on 
>>> my desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use 
>>> frequently would save me time. However, I added something to the alius 
>>> version of that folder but the change has not been reflected in the actual 
>>> folder located in my documents folder structure.
>>> Can someone explain how this works?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Jean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Research Fellow
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

Hi John:
Ok, I got it to work. What I was missing is that apparently the shortcut has to 
also remain in the original folder. Seems very strange.
Anyway, now the problem is that I can’t delete the first alius folder I made 
from the desktop. I clicked on remove from sidebar but that didn’t accomplish 
anythin. I have deleted the folder in question from where it was made.
I hope this makes sense, the only problem now is deleting the first alius from 
my desktop.


> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your desktop 
> to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening the 
> actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made in that folder.
> 
>Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you do 
> a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file and not 
> the actual item itself.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under the 
>> imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would also 
>> be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on my 
>> desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use frequently 
>> would save me time. However, I added something to the alius version of that 
>> folder but the change has not been reflected in the actual folder located in 
>> my documents folder structure.
>> Can someone explain how this works?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

Hi John:
I created the alius folder by making the original folder in its original 
location as an alius folder. Then I moved it to my desktop and made a change in 
the alius folder. But it was still not reflected in the original folder.
It seems that I am doing something incorrectly in the creation of the alius 
folder. Any other ideas?


> On 17 Nov 2018, at 11:11 am, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
> pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your desktop 
> to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening the 
> actual folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made in that folder.
> 
>Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
> contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you do 
> a command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file and not 
> the actual item itself.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under the 
>> imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would also 
>> be made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on my 
>> desktop thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use frequently 
>> would save me time. However, I added something to the alius version of that 
>> folder but the change has not been reflected in the actual folder located in 
>> my documents folder structure.
>> Can someone explain how this works?
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Jean
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Clarification about alius folders

[John Panarese]

   If I am understanding you correctly, an Alias is just a shortcut or a 
pointer file to the original item. So, if you create an alias on your desktop 
to your Documents folder, when you open that alias, you are opening the actual 
folder. So, any changes that are made are actually made in that folder.

Make sure you create the alias in the directory where the folder is 
contained first. Then, copy the alias and move it to the desktop. When you do a 
command-I on the alias, it should indicate that it is an Alias file and not the 
actual item itself.


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM, jean parker  wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under the 
> imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would also be 
> made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on my desktop 
> thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use frequently would save 
> me time. However, I added something to the alius version of that folder but 
> the change has not been reflected in the actual folder located in my 
> documents folder structure.
> Can someone explain how this works?
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jean
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Clarification about alius folders

[jean parker]

Hello All:
I need some clarification about how alius folders work. I had been under the 
imppression that if a change is made in an alius folder that it would also be 
made in the actual folder. So, I put a folder that I use often on my desktop 
thinking that keeping an alius version of folders I use frequently would save 
me time. However, I added something to the alius version of that folder but the 
change has not been reflected in the actual folder located in my documents 
folder structure.
Can someone explain how this works?

Many thanks,
Jean




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