Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
U. I only use that hotmail account as an MSN passport; I doubt it's still active. Note to self to qualify that in future signatures... Thanks. *bow* Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
That's amazing. Wonderful example of intuitional / experiential problem solving. I didn't think of using VO F to find the item; I've only had my mac six months and I'm still in the wonderment stage at how powerful and right-feeling this intuitional OS thing really is. :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello Jonathan and all: Mark. I just attempted to send a reply to this via your hotmail account. It comes back as undeliverable regardless of which mail I send it from. Is it still operative? Attempted to send a tip or two using the item chooser. In short, the item chooser located your email link. I used vo + spacebar to find it and then vo + spacebar to activate the link. Mail opened with the proper address and then I wrote the email and sent it. That is where everything came to a screeching stop (grin). Let me know. On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Mark, > > Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing > a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will > actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that > sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard > focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor > and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- > L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off > tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is > almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets > stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where > turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my > fingers aware for that. > > In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as > selection items, I understand that would be a little different from > what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in > the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use > the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, > and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn > off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. > > Best regardes, > > Jon > . > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to >> navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. >> Here's my scenario: >> I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. >> I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and >> takes a >> while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items >> Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I >> haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to >> the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong >> here? >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hum, I think you're way off base on most of this stuff. I've never had any trouble with the dock no matter what configuration my cursers are being tracked in. I can replicate the issue where the control option lock won't turn off in the item chooser though, that's almost sertainly a bug. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Mark, > > Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing > a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will > actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that > sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard > focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor > and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- > L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off > tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is > almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets > stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where > turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my > fingers aware for that. > > In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as > selection items, I understand that would be a little different from > what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in > the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use > the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, > and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn > off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. > > Best regardes, > > Jon > . > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > >> >> I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to >> navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. >> Here's my scenario: >> I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. >> I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and >> takes a >> while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items >> Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I >> haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to >> the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong >> here? >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Mark, Sometimes I find that if I use VO-L to read the line just after doing a scenario like you describe that there is more likelyhood that I will actually be at the link. The trouble with cursor tracking on is that sometimes the wrong cursor takes precedence. So, when the keyboard focus moves back from item chooser mode, it appears that the VO cursor and the moves back to the keyboard focus. I believe that using the VO- L command might route around this behavior. I have often switched off tracking mode, but there are some issues there First, the dock is almost completely unusable. Secondly, sometimes the VO cursor gets stuck in nowhere land. This I believe there is one other place where turning off cursor tracking just doesn't work. I'll have to keep my fingers aware for that. In terms of the item chooser mode not accepting keyboard input as selection items, I understand that would be a little different from what one would expect, but one can not even turn off the lock when in the item chooser. Also when lock mode is on and you type VO-F to use the find function, then the alphanumeric keys work as alphanumerics, and not VO keys so it would be possible for Apple to temporarily turn off VO lock in item chooser and link chooser. Best regardes, Jon . On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > > I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to > navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. > Here's my scenario: > I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. > I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and takes a > while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items > Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I > haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to > the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong > here? > > > Mark BurningHawk > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
I, too, like the items chooser, but I find that if I try to use it to navigate in Mail to a certain spot in the message, it won't work. Here's my scenario: I have an E-mail with a bunch of links in it or downloading material. I want to download from a link which is almost at the end, and takes a while to scroll to the long, linear way. if I find it with Items Chooser, then VO space on it and try to work with it, I find that I haven't, in fact, moved. When I try to manually route the cursor to the VO cursor, I get a message saying I can't. What'm I doing wrong here? Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello James and all: Well, I can give an example of the power of the item chooser which might shed some light. When using facebook in the beginning I was completely lost. Specifically, as you know, there is a feature on facebook which allows you to send a private message to someone. For the life of me I could not find the edit boxes where one was supposed to enter the text. And, if I did find it using conventional browsing techniques, the edit boxes lost focus. When activating the item chooser I could type in the word edit and get a limited number of choices, and the first three choices were the edit fields I required to enter text. I could enter the text without losing focus and I could find the send button by performing the same activation of the item chooser, typing send which pulled up the send button and then using vo keys plus the space bar to activate the send button. The item chooser will assist person's in finding things that are there though might be difficult to get to. I know that might sound like either an over simplification or an item specific example and Josh most likely could do a better job in explaining. However, this feature is, as Josh said, not just useful on the web. It has assisted me in successfully using applications such as iphoto ... Hopefully that sheds a little light on the topic for you and hopefully you find some of this useful. Take good care. On Jul 18, 2009, at 6:31 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Hello Josh, > > Could you please explain a bit more about how exactly it is more > powerful? Everytime I've used it Item Chooser seemed to be just a > smart search that was clever enough to only show results which > contained certain letters. > > Thanks > > James > - Original Message - > From: Josh de Lioncourt > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage > > > VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available > anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a > sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you > type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which > contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a > traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot > more powerful. :) > > HTH. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: > >> Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for >> surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text- >> file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all >> with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and >> that is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f >> to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file >> (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you >> to link but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual >> body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite >> well and find this feature very useful because it means I can >> navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again >> its a text file I can search for for example combobox in the >> control-f dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I >> wonder if anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am >> actually hoping that transition will be easier for me becaus eI hav >> emostly been using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the >> windows commands and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am >> hoping I will be able to adapt quickly. >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> > > > > > Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Could you please explain how Item chooser more powerful?
Hello Josh, Could you please explain a bit more about how exactly it is more powerful? Everytime I've used it Item Chooser seemed to be just a smart search that was clever enough to only show results which contained certain letters. Thanks James - Original Message - From: Josh de Lioncourt To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: Re: searching for specefic text on a webpage VoiceOver has a function called "Item Chooser" which is available anywhere, not just on the web. When you press it, it brings up a sort of menu of everything being displayed in the window. If you type a few letters in, the menu shrinks to only include items which contain the letters you typed. It is actually much nicer than a traditional find command, as you are describing, and a whole lot more powerful. :) HTH. Josh de Lioncourt .my other mail provider is an owl. Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 4:30 PM, a radix wrote: Hi everyone, Currently on windows I use hal 7.0 and webformator for surfing the web. Webformator displays the webpage in a sort of text-file which allows you to just browse it, i mean go through it all with arrow up/down and tab to go to link/link. You can use (and that is the one great feature I love about webformator) control-f to search for specefic text in a webpage. Since it is a text file (sort off, you can stiull click on links) it does not restrict you to link but will also instantly point you to a word in the actual body of the webpage, i often visit forums etc that I know quite well and find this feature very useful because it means I can navigate them quickly and efficiently. Also since, once again its a text file I can search for for example combobox in the control-f dialog and it will bring me to the first of these. I wonder if anything like this exists in safari-voiceover? I am actually hoping that transition will be easier for me becaus eI hav emostly been using a kin dof dumb screenreader, just using the windows commands and not many screenreader ocmmands at all so I am hoping I will be able to adapt quickly. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
