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as stated earlier if the programme works well I probably would purchase it. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 5 Dec 2013, at 2:57 pm, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Lets remember that just because you can’t justify this type of program, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t others out there that would like to have such a solution. These are the types of people that I am looking for. I do however very much appreciate all of your comments on this because it does give me some ideas about what the potential market for such an application might be. Have A Great Evening, Scott Rumery On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Again, i can easily read free unprotected ebooks using ibooks, or, if i'm really desperet i can always use pages to read txt file, etc. And, i can always use one of the braille displays to read daisy books, unprotected epub, pdf, and bookshare without needing to turn on the computer at all. Anyway, i would have spend 95% of the time reading books using ipad or other mobile devices than reading on the computer. So, again, unless the developer can justify in some way, e.g. able to read BRF file, or like another Scott said, the ability to use with Braille Displays etc, i still can't justify it right now. Sent from my iPad On 05/12/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Project Gutenberg has about 42,000 books for free. They are archiving all the books which went out of copyright: http://www.gutenberg.org CB On 12/3/13 4:53 PM, Scott Rumery wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to
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no, by all means i'm not representing the blind community or anyone. and, from all of my message, i recall i use i on the message, not we. So, is my personal point of view, to pay for what i think is worth the money. I'm not one that install hundrets of programs available just because they are available, or just because they purposely build for the blind while, there are some perfect main sstream program out there that work perfectly well. Also, again, i use I in my message, not We. it doesn't worry me what you think of what its worth, but, at this stage, i simply can't justify the need of QRead for Mac. Sent from my iPad On 05/12/2013, at 11:28 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: as stated earlier if the programme works well I probably would purchase it. Blessings! maria and Joe chapman Email, iMessage fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com twitter: bubbygirl On 5 Dec 2013, at 2:57 pm, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Lets remember that just because you can’t justify this type of program, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t others out there that would like to have such a solution. These are the types of people that I am looking for. I do however very much appreciate all of your comments on this because it does give me some ideas about what the potential market for such an application might be. Have A Great Evening, Scott Rumery On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Again, i can easily read free unprotected ebooks using ibooks, or, if i'm really desperet i can always use pages to read txt file, etc. And, i can always use one of the braille displays to read daisy books, unprotected epub, pdf, and bookshare without needing to turn on the computer at all. Anyway, i would have spend 95% of the time reading books using ipad or other mobile devices than reading on the computer. So, again, unless the developer can justify in some way, e.g. able to read BRF file, or like another Scott said, the ability to use with Braille Displays etc, i still can't justify it right now. Sent from my iPad On 05/12/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Project Gutenberg has about 42,000 books for free. They are archiving all the books which went out of copyright: http://www.gutenberg.org CB On 12/3/13 4:53 PM, Scott Rumery wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone
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Hi, I think its not fair to compare Quitter, which is absolutely free, and a pay software like QRead itself. As some of the listers already said, Quitter, is free, and as most of us know, free software got develop from the developer's passion and their voluntry time. They can commit as much as they like in to the software, or as little. From my understanding, Quitter got discontinue was not cause by irresponsible developer, ok, maybe that, but also cause by other reasons as well. As i said before on my previous emails, regardless if it is $3 or $30 or $300, i need to feel that i can justify my investment to invest in a piece of software/hardware. As for now, i can't justify $30 in to the QRead, because, most of the QRead features already exist with some existing softwares. Regards Joanne Sent from my iPad On 04/12/2013, at 7:00 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. You can't blame a guy for dumping a project that was free. if it happened to QRead itself, or Hope, you'd have a valid point, but for things that are free, it essentially means you support it out of your own free time. This seems like a good Kickstarter campaign to me. Since I purchased the QRead software for Windows, I'm not sure I'd rebuy it. I'd certainly not commit to buying something that doesn't exist yet, and would require full braille support of the text before I would consider it. IN other words, self voicing is useless to me specifically, so I wouldn't support such a venture. Just my thoughts, Scott On 12/3/13, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: one thing that a lot of people either don't realize or are ignorant of: you cannot place demands on developer of free software. SInce they are not being paid for their efforts, it ceases being worth their time to deal with the stresses involved. However, a paid developer is beholden to his work (and customers). If there are bugs, he has the responsibility to correct them. Simply taking the money and then abandoning the software project would be considered theft in most places. So, he will do what he can to keep his reputation and have repeat customers. Just something you should know. -eric On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
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Hi. I have been using ibooks on the mac and it’s ok to read with. Yes you have to go to the next chapter but for me that’s fine because if I should happen to doze off then I haven’t missed much. lol Cheers Maria sent from mac mini email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com skype bubbygirl1972 twitter same as skype without the numbers. On 4 Dec 2013, at 9:24 am, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that the ability to read Kindle books and iBooks on the Mac would be great and I know technically we can read iBooks on the Mac but until Apple improves the accessibility of it I do not consider it a real option for us. At least for Kindle content we do now have good access to these on iOS, I just wish that we would get one of these companies to pay attention to the Mac platform as well. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was meaning that if you want to read an actual ibook you purchased on the mac, or a kindle book you couldn’t do that with this app. Still if it reads pdf’s and bookshare books well and with the free epub book available online it might be a worth while investment. Would still love to be able to read my kindle books on the mac. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 4 Dec 2013, at 8:53 am, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received
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Project Gutenberg has about 42,000 books for free. They are archiving all the books which went out of copyright: http://www.gutenberg.org CB On 12/3/13 4:53 PM, Scott Rumery wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
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Again, i can easily read free unprotected ebooks using ibooks, or, if i'm really desperet i can always use pages to read txt file, etc. And, i can always use one of the braille displays to read daisy books, unprotected epub, pdf, and bookshare without needing to turn on the computer at all. Anyway, i would have spend 95% of the time reading books using ipad or other mobile devices than reading on the computer. So, again, unless the developer can justify in some way, e.g. able to read BRF file, or like another Scott said, the ability to use with Braille Displays etc, i still can't justify it right now. Sent from my iPad On 05/12/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Project Gutenberg has about 42,000 books for free. They are archiving all the books which went out of copyright: http://www.gutenberg.org CB On 12/3/13 4:53 PM, Scott Rumery wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and
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Lets remember that just because you can’t justify this type of program, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t others out there that would like to have such a solution. These are the types of people that I am looking for. I do however very much appreciate all of your comments on this because it does give me some ideas about what the potential market for such an application might be. Have A Great Evening, Scott Rumery On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Again, i can easily read free unprotected ebooks using ibooks, or, if i'm really desperet i can always use pages to read txt file, etc. And, i can always use one of the braille displays to read daisy books, unprotected epub, pdf, and bookshare without needing to turn on the computer at all. Anyway, i would have spend 95% of the time reading books using ipad or other mobile devices than reading on the computer. So, again, unless the developer can justify in some way, e.g. able to read BRF file, or like another Scott said, the ability to use with Braille Displays etc, i still can't justify it right now. Sent from my iPad On 05/12/2013, at 8:46 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Project Gutenberg has about 42,000 books for free. They are archiving all the books which went out of copyright: http://www.gutenberg.org CB On 12/3/13 4:53 PM, Scott Rumery wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
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Hi all. You can't blame a guy for dumping a project that was free. if it happened to QRead itself, or Hope, you'd have a valid point, but for things that are free, it essentially means you support it out of your own free time. This seems like a good Kickstarter campaign to me. Since I purchased the QRead software for Windows, I'm not sure I'd rebuy it. I'd certainly not commit to buying something that doesn't exist yet, and would require full braille support of the text before I would consider it. IN other words, self voicing is useless to me specifically, so I wouldn't support such a venture. Just my thoughts, Scott On 12/3/13, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: one thing that a lot of people either don't realize or are ignorant of: you cannot place demands on developer of free software. SInce they are not being paid for their efforts, it ceases being worth their time to deal with the stresses involved. However, a paid developer is beholden to his work (and customers). If there are bugs, he has the responsibility to correct them. Simply taking the money and then abandoning the software project would be considered theft in most places. So, he will do what he can to keep his reputation and have repeat customers. Just something you should know. -eric On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
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Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Okay just to be clear on this. I am not asking anyone who has already purchased this program for Windows to purchase it again, if fact this is one of the reasons why I would like to get this project completed because Christopher the developer says that he would have a model in which if you owned one version such as the Windows version that you would also be able to use that program license on the other platform without having to purchase another license. When I first approached him about making a Mac version of Q-Read, my intentions were completely selfish because I would like to have something like this available to us Mac users but as he and I talked via emails and he told me what it would take for him to put the time and expense into this project I told him that I would try and get him the 40 Mac users that he said he would need before getting started on this. If you are not comfortable with agreeing to purchase a program sight unseen I am sure that we will have an opportunity to beta test this application before it is ready for release but don’t hold me to that one because I haven’t yet asked him if this will be the case or not. I am just assuming it is so because most software developers do like to have their software tested before they deem it done. Again, I am only trying to get someone who has a talent for crating accessible software to realize that there are a lot of us on the Mac platform that would probably enjoy the chance to use some of his soft ware on our Macs and I thought that if I put the message out to the community that I would be able to round up the 40 Mac users that he has requested. If after reading this you would like to be involved in making this project a reality just let me know and I will add you to my list, if not then that is fine as well, but please don’t bash someone for trying to do something that he believes would be a good thing for the blind Mac users out there. I am only trying to come up with a solution to a problem that I have on a daily basis and that is the lack of a truly accessible eBook and PDF reader on the Mac platform. Thank you all for your indulgence and letting me get this out. Scott Rumery On Dec 3, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. You can't blame a guy for dumping a project that was free. if it happened to QRead itself, or Hope, you'd have a valid point, but for things that are free, it essentially means you support it out of your own free time. This seems like a good Kickstarter campaign to me. Since I purchased the QRead software for Windows, I'm not sure I'd rebuy it. I'd certainly not commit to buying something that doesn't exist yet, and would require full braille support of the text before I would consider it. IN other words, self voicing is useless to me specifically, so I wouldn't support such a venture. Just my thoughts, Scott On 12/3/13, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: one thing that a lot of people either don't realize or are ignorant of: you cannot place demands on developer of free software. SInce they are not being paid for their efforts, it ceases being worth their time to deal with the stresses involved. However, a paid developer is beholden to his work (and customers). If there are bugs, he has the responsibility to correct them. Simply taking the money and then abandoning the software project would be considered theft in most places. So, he will do what he can to keep his reputation and have repeat customers. Just something you should know. -eric On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it
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Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.
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HI. I would purchase the app providing it works as advertised. Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 11:03 am, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I hope that you all had a great Thanksgiving holiday and that now that we are all back to reality with work and all of the other things that we do on a daily basis that you will allow me the opportunity to let you in on a little project of mine. I recently learned of an accessible ebook reading application called Q-Read. This is currently only available on the Windows platform but I have been in contact with the developer who is blind and he has told me that if I can gather at least 40 Mac users who will agree to purchase the program once he builds it that he will indeed build it for the Mac. My question for you all is, would you be interested in such a program on the Mac and if yes would you please let me know if you will purchase his application for $30 once it is built? His ultimate goal is to create cross platform software for the blind on Windows and Macs so once you buy one license you can use his software on whatever platform that you need it on. Please let me know privately at blindfait...@gmail.com if I can add your name to the list of participants for this project. Thank You, Scott Rumery -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi. I was meaning that if you want to read an actual ibook you purchased on the mac, or a kindle book you couldn’t do that with this app. Still if it reads pdf’s and bookshare books well and with the free epub book available online it might be a worth while investment. Would still love to be able to read my kindle books on the mac. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 4 Dec 2013, at 8:53 am, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com --
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I agree that the ability to read Kindle books and iBooks on the Mac would be great and I know technically we can read iBooks on the Mac but until Apple improves the accessibility of it I do not consider it a real option for us. At least for Kindle content we do now have good access to these on iOS, I just wish that we would get one of these companies to pay attention to the Mac platform as well. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I was meaning that if you want to read an actual ibook you purchased on the mac, or a kindle book you couldn’t do that with this app. Still if it reads pdf’s and bookshare books well and with the free epub book available online it might be a worth while investment. Would still love to be able to read my kindle books on the mac. Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 4 Dec 2013, at 8:53 am, Scott Rumery blindfait...@gmail.com wrote: Not true. There are thousands of free ePub books available on the Internet if you are willing to just look for them, and those of us who self publish our own writings usually create drm free eBooks that can be read with such a program. I am not saying that Q-Read for the Mac will be the only solution for this type of thing but as of right now I don’t of any other programs that do this that are completely accessible. Scott On Dec 3, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. from what I’m reading you would still need ibooks to read an ibook and still would be unable to read kindle books on the mac. Bookshare would be it’s only advantage and maybe pdf? Warm regards and blessings Maria, Joe and FurBabies Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com On 3 Dec 2013, at 2:34 pm, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You
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Hello everyone, I hope that you all had a great Thanksgiving holiday and that now that we are all back to reality with work and all of the other things that we do on a daily basis that you will allow me the opportunity to let you in on a little project of mine. I recently learned of an accessible ebook reading application called Q-Read. This is currently only available on the Windows platform but I have been in contact with the developer who is blind and he has told me that if I can gather at least 40 Mac users who will agree to purchase the program once he builds it that he will indeed build it for the Mac. My question for you all is, would you be interested in such a program on the Mac and if yes would you please let me know if you will purchase his application for $30 once it is built? His ultimate goal is to create cross platform software for the blind on Windows and Macs so once you buy one license you can use his software on whatever platform that you need it on. Please let me know privately at blindfait...@gmail.com if I can add your name to the list of participants for this project. Thank You, Scott Rumery -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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What will be the advantage for this so call accessible ebook reader compare to say iBooks and such? It will still going to have the problem of not able to read DRM protected EBooks even though its accessible. it doesn't matter is $3 $30 or $300, whey reinvent something why such similar program already exist? Sent from my iPad On 03/12/2013, at 11:13 AM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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All great points, I will get that information and put it on the list tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Again, all great points and thank you for putting the information up about the different formats. I agree, we should not simply dismiss the potential of this program just because we may not agree with things that the developer has done previously. Having said this I would hope that people would at least give it a look and make an educated decision on whether not they want to back the project. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, see below copy and pace text from the QRead website. I understand and see the needs of such reader exist on windows. But honestly, i have my doubt of it's place on Mac. Again, it does not solve the problem of not able to read protected ebook or DRM file. It also does not read BRF or any similar braille format. The only advantage that i can think of for now is the ability to read Daisy format using QRead. Cheers Joanne QRead: The Accessible eBook reader for the blind QRead is an innovative and powerful eText reader for the Windows platform. Perfect for students, professionals, and casual readers alike, QRead provides access to a wide range of e-book formats with support for bookmarking, searching, and more all in a convenient and intuitive tabbed interface. Enjoy the power and freedom to read Have you read a good book lately? Are you tempted by the thousands of books online but can't figure out how to read them accessibly? You've probably heard that the way the world reads books is changing. EBooks, digital versions of print books, have exploded in popularity. While people still buy print books, many more buy electronic books online and read them with devices like computers, tablets, and phones. EBooks are often more affordable, are more portable, and are easily searchable, making them ideal for today's lifestyle. There are hundreds of thousands of eBook titles available in various formats these days, ranging from fun and lighthearted to serious scholarly works. There are books for students of all ages from childrens books to textbooks for postsecondary classes. There are all kinds of novels, mysteries, romances, as well as cookbooks, biographies, and self-help books. Many magazines offer online versions as well. For the blind, this wealth of new material has offered a mixed blessing. On one hand the amount of new books and magazines available for us to read is unprecedented. Until recently, the only ways to read a print book were to scan it or hope that one of the library services recorded it. Now that publishers are putting their books into digital form on the computer, scanning isn't necessary anymore. However, if you have any experience reading electronic books as a blind person, you've probably encountered some of the following hurdles: •Books are in a variety of formats requiring many different applications to open. •Some popular reading applications are difficult to use with a screenreader •Some reading applications only read with their built-in voice, not letting a person see how words are spelled or change the voice that reads the book. •There is no standard way of keeping your place in a book, especially if your computer crashes! •Navigation, particularly by large blocks of text such as pages or chapters is often impossible. My name is Christopher Toth, and I wrote QRead to make reading fun and easy again. I need the software myself, and I want to help other visually impaired people discover the pleasure of reading e-books. QRead lets the reader focus on the content of books without worrying about the mechanics of reading. It has comfort and flexibility at its core, fading into the background as you reach the climax in a thriller or romance. Book navigation is easy and uses keystrokes blind readers already use with their screenreader, so they can focus on what really matters. QRead Features QRead is both easy to use and powerful in several ways. Here is a list of features you'll love in QRead. •QRead saves your place in each book you read, even if your computer crashes while reading. No more struggling to find your place if you need to restart your machine for any reason. •QRead lets each user use his or her screenreader and the voice they like best for reading •Searching for text in a book is easy and fast. •QRead can open multiple books, so students can move easily between books while doing research. •QRead can set multiple bookmarks in each book, helping you move quickly to important content. •Readers can navigate by page, heading, chapter, section, or percentage in a book as long as its format supports the type of navigation they want to use. •Books open quickly, and QRead remembers which books have been opened recently. •Users can copy text from the QRead window to other applications. This is especially useful if you want to quote a book for a research paper or speech. •PDF files open more quickly than in Adobe Reader. •QRead works with daisy files from Bookshare whether you keep your files zipped or prefer to extract them to folders. •QRead's search feature supports using regular expressions for powerful searches. Supported formats QRead currently supports the following formats: •PDF: QRead has industry leading PDF parsing support for extracting text streams from PDF. •EPub: Easy access to all textual content from an unprotected ePub file. •Bookshare Daisy: Open both zipped and unzipped bookshare Daisy files with support for requesting the bookshare user password.
Re: Help From The Community
one thing that a lot of people either don't realize or are ignorant of: you cannot place demands on developer of free software. SInce they are not being paid for their efforts, it ceases being worth their time to deal with the stresses involved. However, a paid developer is beholden to his work (and customers). If there are bugs, he has the responsibility to correct them. Simply taking the money and then abandoning the software project would be considered theft in most places. So, he will do what he can to keep his reputation and have repeat customers. Just something you should know. -eric On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: I have a few points here. First, my message was not an attack on Q or his software. I used qwitter and while it was around it was useful. It had a lot of issues and rather than rewrite it, it was abandoned for better horizons. Whether or not you agree with this is sort of irrelivant as it happens all the time. If it was freeware, then by all means the author can do what he or she wants and that's done over and over again. If it was hope, I feel like the author at least has some small obligation to the end-users. My points were that I do dismiss it, but not out of hand. I don't believe it is fair to require $1200 in licensing fees from users before you decide whether or not you'll make something. If I buy a piece of software, I buy it based on the software itself. Having not tried it, I will not pledge any money toward the future of something that may not even be released or that I may not even like. On 12/2/2013 10:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: It's a book/file reader. It handles epub, daisy, pdf, and other formats, and can save your place automatically when you close a book. It has other features as well, but I'm not a user of the program so can't enumerate them. Yes, Qwitter was quite a big deal, but as I recall there were problems beyond users asking questions. Hope has not been updated, but honestly, it works well and is not lacking any features I can find, so does it really need an update? I'm not saying I would commit to buying Q-Read for Mac, since I know I would not use it enough (I read mostly on my iPhone) but look into this more before dismissing it out of hand. Yes, iBooks is now on the Mac, but can anyone really call using it a good reading experience? On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I think I’d have to have a lot more information before I decide to commit. For example, what books does it access. which formats. What are its advantages over other readers? It sounds like a good thing in principle, but what is it in practice? Teresa We're made of star stuff.--Carl Sagan On Dec 2, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: Especially from a developer who's history is of abandoning software when his users start to ask questions regarding software bugs or features that he feels aren't important or worth his time. And I agree with Tyler. $30 is a lot to commit to for something when it doesn't exist. But personally, I don't give that developer a dime of my money. Not ever. Ask the users of Qwitter and Hope how they feel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
