Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-18 Thread Scott Granados
That’s an interesting idea.  I’ll also give this a shot remapping.  I have to 
admit most keys work just a bit differently than the documentation indicates.


> On Jul 17, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So, you re-mapped the insert key to your key and not the caps lock. Though, I 
> have no idea exactly what would happen if you just created a new key marked 
> as caps lock, my expectation is that the Mac would still not fully transfer 
> the key over to the VM.  In laptop layout the insert+something else will do 
> what the standard layout says even  if the laptop layout is enabled. So in 
> key mappings you might see jaws+8 and insert+8 and this is what is hitting 
> you. I have never reviewed the settings in the k*** keyboard layout in Jaws, 
> so perhaps this does what you need i.e. enable all the laptop layout but 
> using the insert key  instead of the jaws key. You can open the jaws .jkm 
> files in any text editor and adjust significantly, including adding "layer 
> keystrokes. (insert+space followed by h) etcetera .
> 
> I wonder, would anybody like to see a "VoiceOVer" layout for the JAWS 
> functions? I had thought of doing a WIndowEyes layout and still might.
> 
> It would be a fun weekend project.
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 July 2017 at 13:00, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> It actually says jaws script manager and jaws window manager.
> 
> If I switch to Kinasis mode though I can click the mouse, which is a work 
> around for now.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds strange, I have a Windows keyboard always attached,  so I don't have 
>> to resort to the hack of migrating caps lock to a different key. What 
>> happens when you turn on keyboard help (jaws-1) does jaws-8 say left mouse 
>> click?
>> 
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, 
>>> my other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)
>>> 
>>> I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.
>>> 
>>> Good suggestion though.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
>>>> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you 
>>>> want to use Laptop Key layout? 
>>>> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  
>>>> automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is 
>>>> manually changed.
>>>> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from 
>>>> the Help menu in Jaws.
>>>>  
>>>> David Griffith
>>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>>>>  
>>>> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
>>>> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as 
>>>> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the 
>>>> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case 
>>>> and 8 it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up 
>>>> with jaw manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame 
>>>> manager.  How can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW 
>>>> documentation confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but 
>>>> they refer to caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas 
>>>> what I’m doing wrong?
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Scott
>>>>  
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Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-17 Thread Jonathan Cohn
So, you re-mapped the insert key to your key and not the caps lock. Though,
I have no idea exactly what would happen if you just created a new key
marked as caps lock, my expectation is that the Mac would still not fully
transfer the key over to the VM.  In laptop layout the insert+something
else will do what the standard layout says even  if the laptop layout is
enabled. So in key mappings you might see jaws+8 and insert+8 and this is
what is hitting you. I have never reviewed the settings in the k***
keyboard layout in Jaws, so perhaps this does what you need i.e. enable all
the laptop layout but using the insert key  instead of the jaws key. You
can open the jaws .jkm files in any text editor and adjust significantly,
including adding "layer keystrokes. (insert+space followed by h) etcetera .

I wonder, would anybody like to see a "VoiceOVer" layout for the JAWS
functions? I had thought of doing a WIndowEyes layout and still might.

It would be a fun weekend project.



On 17 July 2017 at 13:00, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It actually says jaws script manager and jaws window manager.
>
> If I switch to Kinasis mode though I can click the mouse, which is a work
> around for now.
>
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds strange, I have a Windows keyboard always attached,  so I don't
> have to resort to the hack of migrating caps lock to a different key. What
> happens when you turn on keyboard help (jaws-1) does jaws-8 say left mouse
> click?
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set,
> my other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)
>
> I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.
>
> Good suggestion though.
>
> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you
> want to use Laptop Key layout?
> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop
>  automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is
> manually changed.
> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from
> the Help menu in Jaws.
>
> David Griffith
> *From: *Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *13 July 2017 15:49
> *To: *MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject: *How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>
> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over
> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as
> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the
> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and
> 8 it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw
> manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.
> How can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation
> confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to
> caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing
> wrong?
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
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Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-17 Thread Scott Granados
It actually says jaws script manager and jaws window manager.

If I switch to Kinasis mode though I can click the mouse, which is a work 
around for now.

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds strange, I have a Windows keyboard always attached,  so I don't have 
> to resort to the hack of migrating caps lock to a different key. What happens 
> when you turn on keyboard help (jaws-1) does jaws-8 say left mouse click?
> 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, my 
>> other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)
>> 
>> I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.
>> 
>> Good suggestion though.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
>>> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want 
>>> to use Laptop Key layout? 
>>> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  
>>> automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is 
>>> manually changed.
>>> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from 
>>> the Help menu in Jaws.
>>>  
>>> David Griffith
>>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>>>  
>>> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
>>> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as 
>>> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the 
>>> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 
>>> 8 it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw 
>>> manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  
>>> How can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation 
>>> confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to 
>>> caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing 
>>> wrong?
>>>  
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>>  
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Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-15 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Sounds strange, I have a Windows keyboard always attached,  so I don't have to 
resort to the hack of migrating caps lock to a different key. What happens when 
you turn on keyboard help (jaws-1) does jaws-8 say left mouse click?

 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, my 
> other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)
> 
> I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.
> 
> Good suggestion though.
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:daj.griff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
>> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want 
>> to use Laptop Key layout? 
>> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  
>> automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is manually 
>> changed.
>> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from 
>> the Help menu in Jaws.
>>  
>> David Griffith
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>>  
>> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
>> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as 
>> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the 
>> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 
>> 8 it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw 
>> manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  
>> How can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation 
>> confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to 
>> caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing 
>> wrong?
>>  
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>  
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RE: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-13 Thread David Griffith
OK – again apologies if this is obvious but when you remapped the  ` key  did 
you remap it to the Caps Lock or the Insert key?

I need to go and check this with my own laptop but I am fairly certain that In 
laptop layout for Jaws if you press the insert key the program will interpret 
that as a desire to use the Desktop layout  jaws key option even if Laptop 
layout is set as the default.
In some ways I prefer the NVDA method of being able to specify both caps lock 
and insert as identical modifiers but I do not believe Jaws behaves like this.
So in order for Jaws to recognise the ` key as a valid key for laptop layout it 
needs  to receive a key map signal indicating that it is the caps lock key 
which is being held down and not the insert key.

If you have remapped the  ` key to the insert key this would, I think explain 
the behaviour you are experiencing.


David Griffith




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From: Scott Granados
Sent: 14 July 2017 01:32
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, my 
other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)

I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.

Good suggestion though.

On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:




It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want to 
use Laptop Key layout? 
Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  automatically 
and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is manually changed.
The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from the 
Help menu in Jaws.
 
David Griffith
From: Scott Granados
Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
 
Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as the 
jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the cursor or 
changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 8 it does not 
click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw manager and 9 
which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  How can I make this 
click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation confirms in laptop 
keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to caps lock which I 
rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing wrong?
 
Thanks
Scott
 
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Re: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-13 Thread Scott Granados
Hi, so I set this when I first installed Jaws.  The laptop layout is set, my 
other choices are desktop and kinasis.  (Sorry for the spelling)

I just checked and confirmed, laptop set.

Good suggestion though.

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 12:06 PM, David Griffith <daj.griff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 

> It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
> This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want 
> to use Laptop Key layout? 
> Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  
> automatically and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is manually 
> changed.
> The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from 
> the Help menu in Jaws.
>  
> David Griffith
> From: Scott Granados <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work
>  
> Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
> running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as 
> the jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the 
> cursor or changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 8 
> it does not click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw 
> manager and 9 which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  How 
> can I make this click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation 
> confirms in laptop keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to 
> caps lock which I rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing 
> wrong?
>  
> Thanks
> Scott
>  
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RE: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-13 Thread David Griffith

It sounds like you are still in the default Desktop layout for Jaws.
This  may be an obvious point but have you actually told Jaws that you want to 
use Laptop Key layout? 
Jaws is not clever enough to detect that you are using a laptop  automatically 
and will keep to default Desktop layout until this is manually changed.
The easiest way to do this is probably by running the Start Up wizard from the 
Help menu in Jaws.

David Griffith
From: Scott Granados
Sent: 13 July 2017 15:49
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as the 
jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the cursor or 
changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 8 it does not 
click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw manager and 9 
which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  How can I make this 
click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation confirms in laptop 
keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to caps lock which I 
rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing wrong?

Thanks
Scott

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How to click mouse in fusion, jaw 8 doesn't work

2017-07-13 Thread Scott Granados
Hi, wonder if someone can provide some pointers here.  I’m in voice over 
running fusion as usual, JFW is installed, karabiner redefined my ` key as the 
jaws key.  Things like jaws k p and r work for example limiting the cursor or 
changing the cursor.  When I press jaws key or ` in this case and 8 it does not 
click the mouse.  What should be left click comes up with jaw manager and 9 
which should be right click comes up with a frame manager.  How can I make this 
click specifically right click?  The JFW documentation confirms in laptop 
keyboard mode the jaws 8 should work but they refer to caps lock which I 
rerouted to ` with karabiner.  Any ideas what I’m doing wrong?

Thanks
Scott

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