RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Simon Fogarty]

Um,

 I've got the x and I don't by choice use face id,

Therrfore I'm not being forced to use it.

As for choices,

Apple do give you choices.

iPhone 6 upwards give you a number of choices

all have both pin codes and touch ID only the x has pin and face id,

 so I can't see issues 
in what you guys are say.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Friday, 17 November 2017 7:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Well they shouldn't force you to use face ID, lucky for us. We still have the 
option to buy the 8 and 8plus if we need a device from this year. Personally 
for me the last IPhone I will own will be the last I am able to get touch ID.

On 11/16/17, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Better get Used to Apple's NEW FaceID as it Appears to be the NEW 
> standard Personally, I FEEL Apple shouldn't impose its Will on its 
> Consumers, but that's what's to be Expected Living IN Apple's Garden
>
> Apple should Offer its Consumers Multiple Options:
> FaceID TouchID VoiceID & Of Course, the PassCode Like Samsung Does At 
> 06:49 AM 11/16/2017, you wrote:
>>Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a phone that appeals to 
>>me.  One thing that puts me off is having to wave the phone in front 
>>of your face while paying for your items. At least with touch ID you 
>>can quickly make a payment without worrying if it’s going to take a 
>>few seconds or not.
>>
>>>On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty 
>>><<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Because the physical size of the iPhone x is smaller than the iPhone 
>>>of Plus size..
>>>
>>>The length is approx half an inch shorter and approx. quarter of an 
>>>inch narrower but the thickness is more This is going by the feel of 
>>>the case I’ve just received and measured against my 7+
>>>
>>>From:
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.c
>>>om 
>>>[<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@google
>>>groups.com]
>>>
>>>On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
>>>To:
>>> 
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.c
>>>om
>>>Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>
>>>Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you 
>>>think it’s smaller than the 8+?
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani 
>>><<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Mark,
>>>
>>>I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get 
>>>a new phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t 
>>>consider looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up 
>>>smaller real estate in my purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I 
>>>took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I 
>>>have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even though I 
>>>don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
>>>scanning and picture taking these days.
>>>I think the better photo ability will help at the end of the day. I 
>>>do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I never in my life 
>>>thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell phone 
>>>and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
>>>longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
>>>another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working 
>>>perfectly and is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we 
>>>only live once!
>>>
>>>I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get 
>>>the phone in 3 to 4 weeks.
>>>I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone because I 
>>>wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
>>>without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So 
>>>once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift 
>>>cards for my phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. 
>>>I’ll buy all the necessary accessories once I have the gift cards 
>>>in-hand.
>>>
>>>Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>>
>>>Eileen
>>>
>>>From: M.

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[E.T.]

Robin,
   Correction. Its not Apple imposing its will on us. Its the criminal 
elements in the world that forces companies like Apple to build into 
their products safeguards for the protection of its consumer base.


   If you desire the ultimate protection, do not turn on your devices, 
routers or computers. Close all your banking accounts. Guess what? You 
are still at risk. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/16/2017 9:59 AM, Robin wrote:

Better get Used to Apple's NEW FaceID as it Appears to be the NEW standard
Personally, I FEEL Apple shouldn't impose its Will on its Consumers, but 
that's what's to be Expected Living IN Apple's Garden


Apple should Offer its Consumers Multiple Options:
FaceID TouchID VoiceID & Of Course, the PassCode
Like
Samsung Does
At 06:49 AM 11/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a phone that appeals to 
me.  One thing that puts me off is having to wave the phone in front 
of your face while paying for your items. At least with touch ID you 
can quickly make a payment without worrying if it’s going to take a 
few seconds or not.


On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Because the physical size of the iPhone x is smaller than the iPhone 
of Plus size..


The length is approx half an inch shorter and approx. quarter of an 
inch narrower but the thickness is more
This is going by the feel of the case I’ve just received and 
measured against my 7+


*From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Saqib Hussain

*Sent:* Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:* Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you 
think it’s smaller than the 8+?



On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net
<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net> > wrote:

Hi Mark,

I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to
get a new phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I
didn’t consider looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that
takes up smaller real estate in my purse & pocket. I still
can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really
slick. And even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself
using the phone for a lot of scanning and picture taking these
days. I think the better photo ability will help at the end of
the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I never
in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do
love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This
one will have to last me longer than usual because I can’t
justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years. To be honest
my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good condition.
I treated myself and why not we only live once!

I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I
get the phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and
placing the order by phone because I wanted to return my 6 for
cash, but to do that I would have been without a phone during the
3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll
go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone
and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all
the necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.

Enjoy your new 8 plus.

Eileen

From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I
decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe
it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user,
its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too
narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off
pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well
it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[lenron brown]

Well they shouldn't force you to use face ID, lucky for us. We still
have the option to buy the 8 and 8plus if we need a device from this
year. Personally for me the last IPhone I will own will be the last I
am able to get touch ID.

On 11/16/17, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Better get Used to Apple's NEW FaceID as it Appears to be the NEW standard
> Personally, I FEEL Apple shouldn't impose its
> Will on its Consumers, but that's what's to be
> Expected Living IN Apple's Garden
>
> Apple should Offer its Consumers Multiple Options:
> FaceID TouchID VoiceID & Of Course, the PassCode
> Like
> Samsung Does
> At 06:49 AM 11/16/2017, you wrote:
>>Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a
>>phone that appeals to me.  One thing that puts
>>me off is having to wave the phone in front of
>>your face while paying for your items. At least
>>with touch ID you can quickly make a payment
>>without worrying if it’s going to take a few seconds or not.
>>
>>>On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty
>>><<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Because the physical size of the iPhone x is
>>>smaller than the iPhone of Plus size..
>>>
>>>The length is approx half an inch shorter and
>>>approx. quarter of an inch narrower but the thickness is more
>>>This is going by the feel of the case I’ve
>>>just received and measured against my 7+
>>>
>>>From:
>>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>[<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>>
>>>On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
>>>To:
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>
>>>Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so
>>>I’m not sure why you think it’s smaller than the 8+?
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani
>>><<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Mark,
>>>
>>>I too went to my local Apple store earlier this
>>>week intending to get a new phone. I looked at
>>>both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider
>>>looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that
>>>takes up smaller real estate in my purse &
>>>pocket. I still can’t believe I took the
>>>plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver
>>>with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is
>>>really slick. And even though I don’t see the
>>>screen I do find myself using the phone for a
>>>lot of scanning and picture taking these days.
>>>I think the better photo ability will help at
>>>the end of the day. I do think its crazy money
>>>to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought
>>>I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love
>>>my cell phone and its so much more than just a
>>>phone. This one will have to last me longer
>>>than usual because I can’t justify upgrading
>>>this one in another 3 or 4 years. To be honest
>>>my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is
>>>in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>>>
>>>I will have a learning curve on some of the new
>>>gestures once I get the phone in 3 to 4 weeks.
>>>I also wound up coming home and placing the
>>>order by phone because I wanted to return my 6
>>>for cash, but to do that I would have been
>>>without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting
>>>period on the 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll
>>>go back to the Apple store and ask for gift
>>>cards for my phone and my husbands 6 which I
>>>had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the
>>>necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>>
>>>Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>>
>>>Eileen
>>>
>>>From: M. Taylor
>>>Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>>>To:
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided
>>> to
>>>go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>>>
>>>While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not,
&

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Robin]

Better get Used to Apple's NEW FaceID as it Appears to be the NEW standard
Personally, I FEEL Apple shouldn't impose its 
Will on its Consumers, but that's what's to be 
Expected Living IN Apple's Garden


Apple should Offer its Consumers Multiple Options:
FaceID TouchID VoiceID & Of Course, the PassCode
Like
Samsung Does
At 06:49 AM 11/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a 
phone that appeals to me.  One thing that puts 
me off is having to wave the phone in front of 
your face while paying for your items. At least 
with touch ID you can quickly make a payment 
without worrying if it’s going to take a few seconds or not.


On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty 
<<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


Because the physical size of the iPhone x is 
smaller than the iPhone of Plus size..


The length is approx half an inch shorter and 
approx. quarter of an inch narrower but the thickness is more
This is going by the feel of the case I’ve 
just received and measured against my 7+


From: 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain

Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so 
I’m not sure why you think it’s smaller than the 8+?



On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani 
<<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:


Hi Mark,

I too went to my local Apple store earlier this 
week intending to get a new phone. I looked at 
both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider 
looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that 
takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the 
plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver 
with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is 
really slick. And even though I don’t see the 
screen I do find myself using the phone for a 
lot of scanning and picture taking these days. 
I think the better photo ability will help at 
the end of the day. I do think its crazy money 
to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought 
I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love 
my cell phone and its so much more than just a 
phone. This one will have to last me longer 
than usual because I can’t justify upgrading 
this one in another 3 or 4 years. To be honest 
my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is 
in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!


I will have a learning curve on some of the new 
gestures once I get the phone in 3 to 4 weeks. 
I also wound up coming home and placing the 
order by phone because I wanted to return my 6 
for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting 
period on the 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll 
go back to the Apple store and ask for gift 
cards for my phone and my husbands 6 which I 
had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.


Enjoy your new 8 plus.

Eileen

From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.

I was delighted t

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Thanks for that explanation. It’s not a phone that appeals to me.  One 
thing that puts me off is having to wave the phone in front of your face while 
paying for your items. At least with touch ID you can quickly make a payment 
without worrying if it’s going to take a few seconds or not. 

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 06:04, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Because the physical size of the iPhone x is smaller than the iPhone of Plus 
> size..
>  
> The length is approx half an inch shorter and approx. quarter of an inch 
> narrower but the thickness is more
> This is going by the feel of the case I’ve just received and measured against 
> my 7+  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think 
> it’s smaller than the 8+?
> 
> 
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net 
> <mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Mark, 
>  
> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse 
> & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 
> in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And 
> even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot 
> of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability 
> will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a 
> phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do 
> love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have 
> to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
> another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and 
> is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
>  
> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
> in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
> because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
> without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I 
> get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my 
> phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>  
> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I

RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Simon Fogarty]

Because the physical size of the iPhone x is smaller than the iPhone of Plus 
size..

The length is approx half an inch shorter and approx. quarter of an inch 
narrower but the thickness is more
This is going by the feel of the case I’ve just received and measured against 
my 7+

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think it’s 
smaller than the 8+?


On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani 
<etscriv...@verizon.net<mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Hi Mark,

I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!

I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.

Enjoy your new 8 plus.

Eileen

From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Yes I just received the case I ordered for my x and I'd say approx. 12.5mm 
shorter than the 7+ and approx. .75cm narrower  but thicker in body 

So it will be interesting to see what it's actually like once it arrives.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2017 3:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

The iPhone X is just a little larger then the 7 and 8. It is significantly 
smaller than the 8+ and 7+. However, it is the heaviest of all the iPhones.

There is a rumour that Apple is working on an X+ which is supposed to be just 
slightly smaller than the 8+ / 7+.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 12:43, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's not it's the form. They got the screen of the x to fit in a body 
> a little smaller than the 8plus. Me I love the size of the 8plus 
> always have loved big devices always will. The 6plus was the only 
> reason I even gave IOS a chance. So if apple would have never made a 
> big phone I wouldn't have one today.
> 
>> On 11/13/17, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> Oh that’s strange!
>> 
>>> On 13 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It 
>>> was maybe slightly larger than the standard 8.
>>> 
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Saqib Hussain
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>> 
>>> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you 
>>> think it’s smaller than the 8+?
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to 
>>>> get a new phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t 
>>>> consider looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up 
>>>> smaller real estate in my purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I 
>>>> took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I 
>>>> have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even though I 
>>>> don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
>>>> scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo 
>>>> ability will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money 
>>>> to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much 
>>>> on a phone, but I do love my cell phone and its so much more than 
>>>> just a phone. This one will have to last me longer than usual because I 
>>>> can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years.
>>>> To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
>>>> condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>>>> 
>>>> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get 
>>>> the phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing 
>>>> the order by phone because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to 
>>>> do that I would have been without a phone during the 3 or 4 week 
>>>> waiting period on the 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the 
>>>> Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and my husbands 6 
>>>> which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary accessories once 
>>>> I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>>> 
>>>> Eileen
>>>> 
>>>> From: M. Taylor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I 
>>>> decided to go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>>>> 
>>>> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it 
>>>> or not, I do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision 
>>>> user, its display asp

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[David Chittenden]

The iPhone X is just a little larger then the 7 and 8. It is significantly 
smaller than the 8+ and 7+. However, it is the heaviest of all the iPhones.

There is a rumour that Apple is working on an X+ which is supposed to be just 
slightly smaller than the 8+ / 7+.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Nov 2017, at 12:43, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's not it's the form. They got the screen of the x to fit in a body
> a little smaller than the 8plus. Me I love the size of the 8plus
> always have loved big devices always will. The 6plus was the only
> reason I even gave IOS a chance. So if apple would have never made a
> big phone I wouldn't have one today.
> 
>> On 11/13/17, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> Oh that’s strange!
>> 
>>> On 13 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It was
>>> maybe slightly larger than the standard 8.
>>> 
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Saqib Hussain
>>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>> 
>>> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think
>>> it’s smaller than the 8+?
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>> 
>>>> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a
>>>> new phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider
>>>> looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real
>>>> estate in my purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but
>>>> I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the
>>>> phone is really slick. And even though I don’t see the screen I do find
>>>> myself using the phone for a lot of scanning and picture taking these
>>>> days. I think the better photo ability will help at the end of the day. I
>>>> do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought
>>>> I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell phone and its so
>>>> much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me longer than
>>>> usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years.
>>>> To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good
>>>> condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>>>> 
>>>> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the
>>>> phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order
>>>> by phone because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would
>>>> have been without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the
>>>> 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift
>>>> cards for my phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll
>>>> buy all the necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>>> 
>>>> Eileen
>>>> 
>>>> From: M. Taylor
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided
>>>> to
>>>> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>>>> 
>>>> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or
>>>> not, I
>>>> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its
>>>> display
>>>> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
>>>> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
>>>> 
>>>> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
>>>> fast on me (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it
>>>> should, I
>>>> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
>>>> 
>

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[lenron brown]

It's not it's the form. They got the screen of the x to fit in a body
a little smaller than the 8plus. Me I love the size of the 8plus
always have loved big devices always will. The 6plus was the only
reason I even gave IOS a chance. So if apple would have never made a
big phone I wouldn't have one today.

On 11/13/17, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Oh that’s strange!
>
>> On 13 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It was
>> maybe slightly larger than the standard 8.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>>
>> From: Saqib Hussain
>> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>
>> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think
>> it’s smaller than the 8+?
>>
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a
>>> new phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider
>>> looking at the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real
>>> estate in my purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but
>>> I ordered an IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the
>>> phone is really slick. And even though I don’t see the screen I do find
>>> myself using the phone for a lot of scanning and picture taking these
>>> days. I think the better photo ability will help at the end of the day. I
>>> do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought
>>> I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell phone and its so
>>> much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me longer than
>>> usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years.
>>> To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good
>>> condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>>>
>>> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the
>>> phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order
>>> by phone because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would
>>> have been without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the
>>> 10. So once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift
>>> cards for my phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll
>>> buy all the necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>>
>>> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>> From: M. Taylor
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided
>>> to
>>> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>>>
>>> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or
>>> not, I
>>> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its
>>> display
>>> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
>>> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
>>>
>>> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
>>> fast on me (smile).
>>>
>>> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it
>>> should, I
>>> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
>>>
>>> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
>>> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It
>>> used
>>> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months
>>> after
>>> the carrier-branded models.
>>>
>>> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone
>>> 10
>>> is not yet available in the US.
>>>
>>> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM
>>> card
>>> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
>>> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card
>>> at
>>> some point in the fut

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Oh that’s strange!  

> On 13 Nov 2017, at 14:31, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It was 
> maybe slightly larger than the standard 8.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think 
> it’s smaller than the 8+?
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mark,
>>  
>> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
>> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
>> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my 
>> purse & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an 
>> IPhone 10 in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really 
>> slick. And even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the 
>> phone for a lot of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the 
>> better photo ability will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy 
>> money to spend on a phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on 
>> a phone, but I do love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. 
>> This one will have to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify 
>> upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is 
>> still working perfectly and is in good condition. I treated myself and why 
>> not we only live once!
>>  
>> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the 
>> phone in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by 
>> phone because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have 
>> been without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So 
>> once I get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for 
>> my phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
>> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>>  
>> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
>> From: M. Taylor
>> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>>  
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
>> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
>> 
>> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
>> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
>> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
>> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
>> 
>> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
>> fast on me (smile).
>> 
>> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
>> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
>> 
>> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
>> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
>> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
>> the carrier-branded models.
>> 
>> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
>> is not yet available in the US.
>> 
>> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
>> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
>> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
>> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
>> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
>> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
>> 
>> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
>> protector.   
>> 
>> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
>> plus so no added expense, there.
>> 
>> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
>> 
>> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
>> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
>> 
>> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I sa

Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Eileen Scrivani]

I felt the phones and it did not feel larger than the plus to me. It was maybe 
slightly larger than the standard 8.

Eileen


From: Saqib Hussain 
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think it’s 
smaller than the 8+?



  On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

  Hi Mark, 

  I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 

  I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.

  Enjoy your new 8 plus.

  Eileen

  From: M. Taylor 
  Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

  Hello All,

  Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
  go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

  While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
  do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
  aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
  Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

  As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
  fast on me (smile).

  While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
  decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

  I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
  launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
  to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
  the carrier-branded models.

  I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
  is not yet available in the US.

  Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
  removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
  Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
  some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
  iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
  three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

  I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
  protector.   

  I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
  plus so no added expense, there.

  I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

  As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
  to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

  Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
  I'm feeling chatty (smile).

  Until Next Time,

  Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. The 10 is an inch bigger in screen size so I’m not sure why you think it’s 
smaller than the 8+?

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 13:56, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
>  
> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse 
> & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 
> in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And 
> even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot 
> of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability 
> will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a 
> phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do 
> love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have 
> to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
> another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and 
> is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once!
>  
> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
> in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
> because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
> without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I 
> get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my 
> phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
>  
> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: M. Taylor <>
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
>  
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8  Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Eileen Scrivani]

I think it will be a wonderful device. Although, last night while watching 
A.b.C. news at 11 PM they had a short clip about issues with Apple’s new 10 and 
its locking up in the cold. It turned very cold here yesterday and we’re now 
having December/January temps in the 20’s & 30’s. The broadcast said Apple is 
aware of the problem and working on it. Other than that they didn’t give any 
further information.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that by the time I get my phone in early 
december I’ll get a model that doesn’t have any adversions to cold. Between now 
and then I guess I’ll get knitting and make the thing a protective warming 
case! 

Eileen


From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello Eileen,

You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece of 
technology.  

Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi Mark, 
 
I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
 
I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
 
Enjoy your new 8 plus.
 
Eileen
 
From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
 
Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Michael Busboom]

That’s not a bad price, Mark, when one considers how much these devices do for 
us.  I use my iPhone to read eBooks, get around, get sighted assistance, listen 
to Audible books, identify packages that I purchase from the grocery store, and 
the list goes on.

I hope you have loads of fun with your new phone!

All the best from Austria, where lots of people will be enjoying St. Martin’s 
Day goose today,

Mike

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 08:38, myguidedo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Are you promoting yourself or another Mark?  LOL.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: November 10, 2017 7:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
> 
> Hello Eileen,
> 
> You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece 
> of technology.  
> 
> Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
> 
> Hi Mark, 
> 
> I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
> phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at 
> the 8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse 
> & pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 
> in silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And 
> even though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot 
> of scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability 
> will help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a 
> phone. I never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do 
> love my cell phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have 
> to last me longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in 
> another 3 or 4 years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and 
> is in good condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
> 
> I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
> in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
> because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
> without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I 
> get the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my 
> phone and my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the 
> necessary accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
> 
> Enjoy your new 8 plus.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> From: M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to go 
> ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I 
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display 
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty fast 
> on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I 
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series 
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used 
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after 
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10 is 
> not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card 
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of 
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at 
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for 
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a 
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same 

RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[myguidedogis]

Are you promoting yourself or another Mark?  LOL.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: November 10, 2017 7:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello Eileen,

You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece of 
technology.  

Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi Mark, 
 
I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
 
I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
 
Enjoy your new 8 plus.
 
Eileen
 
From: M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
 
Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to go 
ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I do 
not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display 
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty fast 
on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I 
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series 
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used to 
be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after the 
carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10 is 
not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card 
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of Apple 
for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at some 
point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for iPhone, I 
think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course 
meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6 plus 
so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup to 
iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Eileen,

You are so going to love your new iPHone 10.  It really is an amazing piece of 
technology.  

Be sure to keep us posted on how you get on with it, when it arrives.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi Mark, 
 
I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 
 
I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.
 
Enjoy your new 8 plus.
 
Eileen
 
From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)
 
Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Saqib,

Actually, the case I use is from Case Mate.  It's a folio with an entire square 
cut out for the camera.

I have the phone in the case and it's perfect.  

I went to look at the Case Mate site and they are still selling the same case, 
with an updated description that includes iPhone 7 Plus and iPHone 8 Plus.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hi. You will have to get a new case as it will partially block the rear camera. 
I couldn’t use my 6S+ case on my 7+ and 8+. 

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 04:43, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I 
> decided to go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or 
> not, I do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, 
> its display aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too 
> narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off 
> pretty fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it 
> should, I decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 
> series launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded 
> models.  It used to be that the SIM-free models were launched no 
> sooner than two months after the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of 
> iPhone 10 is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a 
> SIM card removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous 
> practice of Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to 
> remove the SIM card at some point in the future.  Besides, for the 
> amount of money one pays for iPhone, I think Apple should include the 
> SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course meal, for that 
> matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as 
> my 6 plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full 
> backup to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello Michael,

Well, the phone was $949 and Apple Care Plus was $149.  Of course, this was 
before taxes.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Busboom
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 3:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hey Mark,

So do you mind telling us how much the damage was for the phone and the Apple 
Care Plus package?  I usually purchase my iPhones when visiting family in the 
States, though I believe that the difference in price between there and here in 
Europe might be less than what it once was.

Take care,

Mike
  
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 05:43, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I 
> decided to go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or 
> not, I do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, 
> its display aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too 
> narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off 
> pretty fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it 
> should, I decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 
> series launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded 
> models.  It used to be that the SIM-free models were launched no 
> sooner than two months after the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of 
> iPhone 10 is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a 
> SIM card removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous 
> practice of Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to 
> remove the SIM card at some point in the future.  Besides, for the 
> amount of money one pays for iPhone, I think Apple should include the 
> SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course meal, for that 
> matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as 
> my 6 plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full 
> backup to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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RE: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Interesting your thoughts on the 10, I guess as a sightless user  I wont worry 
about the screen size,

Although I have the 7+ for exactly that reason, larger screen size better 
access to keyboard for fatter fingers.

As my 10 hasn't yet arrived I thought I'd look in to cases for it,
I didn't realise that the width is only slightly less than the 7+ but the 
length is probably 1 centimeter shorter than the +
'
 So I can see what is meant by smaller form factor.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 10 November 2017 5:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to go 
ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I do 
not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display 
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty fast 
on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I 
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series 
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used to 
be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after the 
carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10 is 
not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card 
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of Apple 
for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at some 
point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for iPhone, I 
think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a three-course 
meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6 plus 
so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup to 
iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Mark, 

I too went to my local Apple store earlier this week intending to get a new 
phone. I looked at both the 8 and the new 10. I didn’t consider looking at the 
8 plus since I like a phone that takes up smaller real estate in my purse & 
pocket. I still can’t believe I took the plunge, but I ordered an IPhone 10 in 
silver with 256G. I have to say I think the phone is really slick. And even 
though I don’t see the screen I do find myself using the phone for a lot of 
scanning and picture taking these days. I think the better photo ability will 
help at the end of the day. I do think its crazy money to spend on a phone. I 
never in my life thought I’d spend this much on a phone, but I do love my cell 
phone and its so much more than just a phone. This one will have to last me 
longer than usual because I can’t justify upgrading this one in another 3 or 4 
years. To be honest my IPhone 6 is still working perfectly and is in good 
condition. I treated myself and why not we only live once! 

I will have a learning curve on some of the new gestures once I get the phone 
in 3 to 4 weeks. I also wound up coming home and placing the order by phone 
because I wanted to return my 6 for cash, but to do that I would have been 
without a phone during the 3 or 4 week waiting period on the 10. So once I get 
the 10 I’ll go back to the Apple store and ask for gift cards for my phone and 
my husbands 6 which I had been holding onto. I’ll buy all the necessary 
accessories once I have the gift cards in-hand.

Enjoy your new 8 plus.

Eileen

From: M. Taylor 
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 11:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. You will have to get a new case as it will partially block the rear camera. 
I couldn’t use my 6S+ case on my 7+ and 8+. 

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 04:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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Re: It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[Michael Busboom]

Hey Mark,

So do you mind telling us how much the damage was for the phone and the Apple 
Care Plus package?  I usually purchase my iPhones when visiting family in the 
States, though I believe that the difference in price between there and here in 
Europe might be less than what it once was.

Take care,

Mike
  
> On 10 Nov 2017, at 05:43, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
> go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.
> 
> While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
> do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
> aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
> Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.
> 
> As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
> fast on me (smile).
> 
> While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
> decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  
> 
> I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
> launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
> to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
> the carrier-branded models.
> 
> I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
> is not yet available in the US.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
> removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
> Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
> some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
> iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
> three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)
> 
> I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
> protector.   
> 
> I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
> plus so no added expense, there.
> 
> I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  
> 
> As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
> to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  
> 
> Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
> I'm feeling chatty (smile).
> 
> Until Next Time,
> 
> Mark
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It's Official: Mark is on iPhone 8 Plus (smile)

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

Well, I was in an Apple Store today just browsing around when I decided to
go ahead and make the plunge and get a new phone.

While I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with iPhone 10, believe it or not, I
do not like its smaller form factor nor, as a low vision user, its display
aspect-ratio in terms of watching videos.  To me, it's just too narrow.
Again, this is just my opinion and my opinion, only.

As for my take on Face ID?  Hmm!  Well, the thrill of it wore off pretty
fast on me (smile).

While I have no doubt but that Face ID is here to stay, as well it should, I
decided to go with a SIM-free, space gray, 256GB iPhone 8 Plus.  

I was surprised to learn that the SIM-free models of the iPHone 8 series
launched in the US at the same time as the carrier-branded models.  It used
to be that the SIM-free models were launched no sooner than two months after
the carrier-branded models.

I was told by an Apple Genius, today, that the SIM-free model of iPhone 10
is not yet available in the US.

Just as an F.Y.I., in the USA, only the SIM-free models ship with a SIM card
removal tool.  I have always thought this to be a ridiculous practice of
Apple for, carrier-branded or not, one may choose to remove the SIM card at
some point in the future.  Besides, for the amount of money one pays for
iPhone, I think Apple should include the SIM card removal tool, along with a
three-course meal, for that matter.  (smile)

I also purchased Apple Care Plus along with my prerequisite screen
protector.   

I was delighted to discover that the 8 plus fits in the same case as my 6
plus so no added expense, there.

I updated my Windows iTunes 12.6 to 12.6.3 and it's running beautifully.  

As I did not update my iPhone 6 Plus to iOS 11.x, I will make a full backup
to iTunes and restore to the new phone later this weekend.  

Okay, I know that's more information than you wanted but, what can I say?
I'm feeling chatty (smile).

Until Next Time,

Mark

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