Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

If you like the compact version, you can download a better quality version of 
the voice if you wish.

> On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am not a native inglish speaker but really like aron compact for reading 
> things on the internet.
> That’s if i am lazy and don’t wanna poke with my braille display.
> /A
> 
>> 27 juni 2020 kl. 21:52 skrev Leo Bado :
>> 
>> I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. For me 
>> everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and 
>> pronunciation. Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very 
>> important for me since I'm not a native English speaker, but I understand 
>> that they might not make much of a difference for a native English speaker. 
>> Well, what can I say? for the most part, this is a subjective matter 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo
>> 
>> On 6/27/2020 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when 
>>> using Edge on a Mac??
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado 
>>> 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, 
>>> I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but 
>>> sadly, they don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I 
>>> usually read articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are working 
>>> on the latest release, but if someone gives it a try, let us know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>Leo
>>> On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
 I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very 
 well. You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since 
 voiceover reads things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but 
 there are some differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make 
 Edge accessible or if this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, 
 either way, we now have another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a 
 good thing. 
 
 
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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Leo Bado]

Hi Karen,

Sadly, the last time I tried out edge chromium on my Mac, these neural 
voices didn’t show up in the list to pick a voice when reading aloud. 
So, I am assuming they are not available yet for mac users. Personally, 
in my windows PC I always read articles on the NY times using the male 
American voice, which I really like.


As for the matter of one voice for task or program, I’m totally on board 
with your opinion. However, in this particular case, I believe that the 
feature of reading out loud in edge chromium is intended for users in 
general, and not exactly for visual impaired users.


Going further, I flatly believe that these human sounding voices are the 
future for the synthesizers as we know them. I’m not saying this is good 
or bad, but a foreseeable scenario in any case.


Best,
   Leo

On 6/27/2020 6:39 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi Leo,
I assure you that such things matter to many, even if native speakers.
May I ask where to locate neural voices?
Would I be correct in guessing that, these voices cannot be 
incorporated into voiceover as an option?
Its profoundly frustrating, the lack of understanding that some folks 
desire  one or two clear quality voices for their computing needs, 
instead of this odd idea of one voice per task for per program.
After all in theory adaptive tools serves as extension of or 
substitutions for, or  combinations of physical activity in many cases.
I do not use  one pair of hands to do the dishes, and another pair for 
typing.
Fully respecting individual choices, speaking personally, why should I 
apply  one voice for banking and another for reading e-mail?

Kare



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, Leo Bado wrote:

I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. 
For me everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and 
pronunciation. Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very 
important for me since I'm not a native English speaker, but I 
understand that they might not make much of a difference for a native 
English speaker. Well, what can I say? for the most part, this is a 
subjective matter



Best,
   Leo

On 6/27/2020 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

 Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when
 using Edge on a Mac??

 - Brad -

 On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado  wrote:

 
 well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; 
however,

 I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but
 sadly, they don't... and for me this feature it's very important 
since I

 usually read articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are
 working on the latest release, but if someone gives it a try, let 
us know.




 Best,
 Leo
 On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>  I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works 
very >  well. You can definitely tell that it's based on code from 
Chromium >  since voiceover reads things very similarly to how 
things read in >  Chrome, but there are some differences. I'm not 
sure if Microsoft took > steps to make Edge accessible or if this 
was automatic from how Chromium >  is designed, either way, we now 
have another accessible browser on Mac >  OS and that's a good thing.
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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am not a native inglish speaker but really like aron compact for reading 
things on the internet.
That’s if i am lazy and don’t wanna poke with my braille display.
/A

> 27 juni 2020 kl. 21:52 skrev Leo Bado :
> 
> I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. For me 
> everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and pronunciation. 
> Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very important for me since 
> I'm not a native English speaker, but I understand that they might not make 
> much of a difference for a native English speaker. Well, what can I say? for 
> the most part, this is a subjective matter 
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo
> On 6/27/2020 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when using 
>> Edge on a Mac??
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, I 
>> was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but sadly, 
>> they don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I usually 
>> read articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are working on the 
>> latest release, but if someone gives it a try, let us know.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo
>> On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. 
>>> You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since 
>>> voiceover reads things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but 
>>> there are some differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make 
>>> Edge accessible or if this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, 
>>> either way, we now have another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a 
>>> good thing. 
>>> 
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RE: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Totally separate download.

Nothing to do with office 365  or currently windows as it’s not yet in the 
windows os installation.

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To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

Mike,
Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Mike Arrigo 
mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or if 
this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing.

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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Leo,
I assure you that such things matter to many, even if native speakers.
May I ask where to locate neural voices?
Would I be correct in guessing that, these voices cannot be incorporated 
into voiceover as an option?
Its profoundly frustrating, the lack of understanding that some folks 
desire  one or two clear quality voices for their computing needs, instead 
of this odd idea of one voice per task for per program.
After all in theory adaptive tools serves as extension of or 
substitutions for, or  combinations of physical activity in many cases.
I do not use  one pair of hands to do the dishes, and another pair for 
typing.
Fully respecting individual choices, speaking personally, why should I 
apply  one voice for banking and another for reading e-mail?

Kare



On Sat, 27 Jun 2020, Leo Bado wrote:

I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. For me 
everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and pronunciation. 
Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very important for me since 
I'm not a native English speaker, but I understand that they might not make 
much of a difference for a native English speaker. Well, what can I say? for 
the most part, this is a subjective matter



Best,
   Leo

On 6/27/2020 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

 Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when
 using Edge on a Mac??

 - Brad -

 On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado  wrote:

 ???
 well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however,
 I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but
 sadly, they don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I
 usually read articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are
 working on the latest release, but if someone gives it a try, let us know.



 Best,
 Leo
 On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>  I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very 
>  well. You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium 
>  since voiceover reads things very similarly to how things read in 
>  Chrome, but there are some differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took 
>  steps to make Edge accessible or if this was automatic from how Chromium 
>  is designed, either way, we now have another accessible browser on Mac 
>  OS and that's a good thing.
> 


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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Leo Bado]

I find neural voices far more natural when reading large articles. For 
me everything is better, intonation, in-flexion, naturalness, and 
pronunciation. Objectively speaking, these characteristics are very 
important for me since I'm not a native English speaker, but I 
understand that they might not make much of a difference for a native 
English speaker. Well, what can I say? for the most part, this is a 
subjective matter



Best,
   Leo

On 6/27/2020 12:47 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when using 
Edge on a Mac??

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado  wrote:


well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, I 
was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but sadly, they 
don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I usually read 
articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are working on the latest 
release, but if someone gives it a try, let us know.



Best,
Leo
On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or if 
this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing.



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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Why don't you just use VoiceOver to read articles on the Internet when using 
Edge on a Mac??

- Brad -

On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:15, Leo Bado  wrote:


well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; however, I 
was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as well, but sadly, they 
don't... and for me this feature it's very important since I usually read 
articles on internet. I don't know if those voices are working on the latest 
release, but if someone gives it a try, let us know.



Best,
   Leo
On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. 
> You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover 
> reads things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
> differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or 
> if this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
> another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing. 
> 
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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Leo Bado]

well, yes, I tried it out some weeks ago and it worked just fine; 
however, I was expecting that the neural voices worked on the mac as 
well, but sadly, they don't... and for me this feature it's very 
important since I usually read articles on internet. I don't know if 
those voices are working on the latest release, but if someone gives it 
a try, let us know.



Best,
   Leo

On 6/27/2020 9:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or if 
this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing.



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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

It's a separate download, if you do a google search for microsoft edge it 
should be the first result.

> On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Mike,
> Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. 
> You can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover 
> reads things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
> differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or 
> if this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
> another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing. 
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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Brad Snyder]

MS Edge is not a part of Microsoft365.  It is a separate product/download. 

- Brad -


On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Mike,
Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
differences. I'm not sure if Microsoft took steps to make Edge accessible or if 
this was automatic from how Chromium is designed, either way, we now have 
another accessible browser on Mac OS and that's a good thing. 

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Re: Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Dave Carlson]

Mike,
Is MS Edge part of the Office 365 suite, or a separate download?

Dave Carlson
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On Jun 27, 2020, at 8:21 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
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Microsoft Edge on the Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

I decided to give the new Microsoft Edge browser a try, it works very well. You 
can definitely tell that it's based on code from Chromium since voiceover reads 
things very similarly to how things read in Chrome, but there are some 
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