Re: Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14
I had high hopes for this feature, and so when I got it on my iPhone 10 R, I activated it for an app that used to be lovely and accessible and turn totally useless with lots of things that just said button with no labor. And voiceover didn’t do anything. The app is in Russian, but I have a Russian voice on my phone, and it reads text just fine. So, it didn’t work well at all. That’s the only one I have that has major accessibility issues. And it was a bust. I’ve certainly seen others that weren’t accessible, but I just deleted them. I kind of wonder for the longer-term prospect, whether or not they are going to be able to make some of the stuff on their game service accessible. I’m not a gamer much, but I know plenty of blind people who are and who would do it more if there were more accessible games. Plus it would make more money for Apple, which is their goal of course. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:19 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Well, to be fair I have found screen recognition to be especially helpful in > one specific app, the GlocalMe app, which was only partially accessible > beforehand, though really only to the extent of making a single element > containing multiple elements accessible so that they can now be independently > accessed without having to turn off VO and guess where you think the elements > are to tap before restarting VO to discover if it worked or not, a stupidly > frustrating process made necessary in the first place by a pointless update > to the UI that broke what was a mediocre but usable app, but which was not > actually impossible to workaround, just annoying. But, you’re right that it’s > really, really shaky, and the real trick lies in having recognition only when > you absolutely need it, and turning it off the rest of the time, which > happily is easy to do in the rotor. Of course, anywhere my GlocalMe goes, > I'll have my iPhone, so this example is moot. I'll be interested to see if > any other apps benefit--games with text-based content, for example. The cynic > in me thinks that these features mostly serve as an excuse for Apple not to > use its curation powers in the App Store to offer proper accessibility > ratings and testing, which is of course the real fix. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D352E38E-50EB-4EAF-B093-9ED4F3775512%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/67CBD87F-BE75-40AD-ADE4-18DFAD0399E7%40gmail.com.
Re: Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14
Well, to be fair I have found screen recognition to be especially helpful in one specific app, the GlocalMe app, which was only partially accessible beforehand, though really only to the extent of making a single element containing multiple elements accessible so that they can now be independently accessed without having to turn off VO and guess where you think the elements are to tap before restarting VO to discover if it worked or not, a stupidly frustrating process made necessary in the first place by a pointless update to the UI that broke what was a mediocre but usable app, but which was not actually impossible to workaround, just annoying. But, you’re right that it’s really, really shaky, and the real trick lies in having recognition only when you absolutely need it, and turning it off the rest of the time, which happily is easy to do in the rotor. Of course, anywhere my GlocalMe goes, I'll have my iPhone, so this example is moot. I'll be interested to see if any other apps benefit--games with text-based content, for example. The cynic in me thinks that these features mostly serve as an excuse for Apple not to use its curation powers in the App Store to offer proper accessibility ratings and testing, which is of course the real fix. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D352E38E-50EB-4EAF-B093-9ED4F3775512%40me.com.
Re: Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14
Are you probably don’t have the back tap on your iPod touch. I know I don’t have it on my iPhone 7 Plus. As for the neat new recognition features, I think they’re more of a pain than a neat thing. I’ve turned them off. I haven’t found anything useful about them. All they do is add extra verbiage where I don’t want it, and when I do want it, or something really is an accessible, crickets. I think it’s definitely a work in progress that should’ve been held out until next time. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:59 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I did not test iOS 14 this time, and have just now bitten the bullet and > upgraded my iPod Touch 5th gen, which is just over a year old, to iOS 14.0.1 > release. I now see that, as reported, this device loses out on the neat new > VO recognition features (but not, curiously, the sound recognition tech for > the hearing-impaired). > > What else have older devices lost, compared to newer ones, in VO? I cannot > pretend to be pleased about this, but at least my iPhone 11 Pro Max is fine. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ED636FE1-8AC6-41BB-AC35-172F6DA6DAF4%40me.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/4EDEFC9A-D35C-4167-AB05-C6CB54AA0ADF%40gmail.com.
Older iOS Devices Disenfranchised by VO in iOS 14
I did not test iOS 14 this time, and have just now bitten the bullet and upgraded my iPod Touch 5th gen, which is just over a year old, to iOS 14.0.1 release. I now see that, as reported, this device loses out on the neat new VO recognition features (but not, curiously, the sound recognition tech for the hearing-impaired). What else have older devices lost, compared to newer ones, in VO? I cannot pretend to be pleased about this, but at least my iPhone 11 Pro Max is fine. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ED636FE1-8AC6-41BB-AC35-172F6DA6DAF4%40me.com.
