Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
It's true that you cannot save/export files into text but you can easily highlight the entire document with command+A and copy with command+c and then paste into textedit and save it this way. I regularly do this. Best wishes, Simon On 30 Aug 2009, at 23:50, Maurice Mines wrote: the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko. On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat reader. Best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
Hi Yuma, In addition to Command-Right arrow and Command-Left arrow to navigate to next and previous pages in Preview, you can go to a specific page with Command-Option-G, then type in the page number and press enter. You can also go backwards and forwards with Command-Left bracket and Command-Right bracket the same way you do in Safari. And you can add a Bookmark with Command-D just as you can in Safari. This is one of the neat features that I like about Preview, since once you set a bookmark, it appears in the Bookmarks menu on the Preview menu bar. If you select your bookmark, Preview will open that document to the bookmarked page -- even if you haven't yet found, selected, or opened that document. You can also navigate through documents that have Table of Contents, like the Apple manuals for VoiceOver Getting Started, and use the Preview sidebar to view and navigate by Table of Contents. You can get some other pointers on using Preview if you check Tim Kilburn's web page about VoiceOver: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/preview5.html Although these pages have not been updated to reflect recent changes/ additions, they're very helpful. Note that one point of regress from Tiger to Leopard is that you'll need to set a hot spot (VO-Shift-1 or other number up to 9) to go back to your position on the page if you switch applications. Just return by pressing VO-1, etc. This only works temporarily for your current session and is lost if you turn VoiceOver off. Also, it's possible to use Adobe Reader to read documents if you have to -- e.g. for DRM-protected material. It's just rather clunky and unintuitive, since the menu structure is complex, and you're using Text-to-Speech rather than VoiceOver. It can be maddening to try to find the voice controls, since they're set it turns out they're set in the preferences menu, and the default reading rate is really slow. If you want to use a French voice, for example, you'll need to bring up Adobe Reader's preferences (Command-comma), VO-Down arrow to the categories table and Interact, then press r to select Reading and stop interacting. VO-Right arrow to set the reading options, especially under the Read out loud heading where you will want to uncheck the box for default voice (with VO-Space) and select the new voice from the pop up button. You'll also want to uncheck the box for Use default speech attributes so you can set the reading rate -- and they won't accept more than 650 words per minute. Command-W to close the preferences menu. When you use Adobe Reader, check the View menu on the menu bar for the Read out loud sub-menu commands and shortcuts: Activate/Deactivate Read out loud: Command-Shift-Y Read Only this page: Command-Shift-V Read to end of document: Command-Shift-B Pause: Command-Shift-C Stop: Command-Shift-E Use the FInder contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) to Open with and select Adobe Reader if you want to try this out. Preview, is much, much nicer. There's also a package called Skim, that is like Preview on steroids, which is particularly good for annotating what you read. It basically has another sidebar for notes, in addition to the one for navigating table of contents. HTH Cheers, Esther Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Thanks James, It is one of these obvious ones again, gotta get the hang of it :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
That was a mouthful esther, :) Thanks a whole lot, now i think there will be no more questioning this issue Best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
Hi Esther, Does Preview come with the OS or is it a third party app? If the latter, how can it be obtained? Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:06 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview] Hi Yuma, In addition to Command-Right arrow and Command-Left arrow to navigate to next and previous pages in Preview, you can go to a specific page with Command-Option-G, then type in the page number and press enter. You can also go backwards and forwards with Command-Left bracket and Command-Right bracket the same way you do in Safari. And you can add a Bookmark with Command-D just as you can in Safari. This is one of the neat features that I like about Preview, since once you set a bookmark, it appears in the Bookmarks menu on the Preview menu bar. If you select your bookmark, Preview will open that document to the bookmarked page -- even if you haven't yet found, selected, or opened that document. You can also navigate through documents that have Table of Contents, like the Apple manuals for VoiceOver Getting Started, and use the Preview sidebar to view and navigate by Table of Contents. You can get some other pointers on using Preview if you check Tim Kilburn's web page about VoiceOver: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/preview5.html Although these pages have not been updated to reflect recent changes/ additions, they're very helpful. Note that one point of regress from Tiger to Leopard is that you'll need to set a hot spot (VO-Shift-1 or other number up to 9) to go back to your position on the page if you switch applications. Just return by pressing VO-1, etc. This only works temporarily for your current session and is lost if you turn VoiceOver off. Also, it's possible to use Adobe Reader to read documents if you have to -- e.g. for DRM-protected material. It's just rather clunky and unintuitive, since the menu structure is complex, and you're using Text-to-Speech rather than VoiceOver. It can be maddening to try to find the voice controls, since they're set it turns out they're set in the preferences menu, and the default reading rate is really slow. If you want to use a French voice, for example, you'll need to bring up Adobe Reader's preferences (Command-comma), VO-Down arrow to the categories table and Interact, then press r to select Reading and stop interacting. VO-Right arrow to set the reading options, especially under the Read out loud heading where you will want to uncheck the box for default voice (with VO-Space) and select the new voice from the pop up button. You'll also want to uncheck the box for Use default speech attributes so you can set the reading rate -- and they won't accept more than 650 words per minute. Command-W to close the preferences menu. When you use Adobe Reader, check the View menu on the menu bar for the Read out loud sub-menu commands and shortcuts: Activate/Deactivate Read out loud: Command-Shift-Y Read Only this page: Command-Shift-V Read to end of document: Command-Shift-B Pause: Command-Shift-C Stop: Command-Shift-E Use the FInder contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) to Open with and select Adobe Reader if you want to try this out. Preview, is much, much nicer. There's also a package called Skim, that is like Preview on steroids, which is particularly good for annotating what you read. It basically has another sidebar for notes, in addition to the one for navigating table of contents. HTH Cheers, Esther Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Thanks James, It is one of these obvious ones again, gotta get the hang of it :) __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4381 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4381 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat reader. Best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko. On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat reader. Best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
