Re: Apple Watch questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

My first gen series 1 battery has definitely improved after the latest software 
update. I can get 26 hours out of it.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

> On Feb 13, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I didn't know about this distinction either until I was in the Apple store on 
> Saturday.  The long and short of it was that they were going to charge me 
> $200 to send my old watch off to Apple to be repaired, and for $270 I could 
> have the second gen series 1.  Once I figured out that the GPS wasn't all 
> that relevant, the decision was a no-brainer. :)
> 
> The difference in processors is very noticeable.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
>> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
>> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it 
>> is.  
>>  The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
>> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
>> 
>> Thanks for your good information as always.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
>>> the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited 
>>> testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new 
>>> models).
>>> 
>>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>>> 
>>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>>> 
>>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
>>> reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
>>> haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
>>> Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
>>> always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
>>> upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > wrote:
 
 Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
 card can take 5% off that price.
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any 
> reason to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously 
> there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the 
> addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series 
> one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel 
> that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 Yeah I have the same issue with my original series 1,

 I've got the series 2 with gps and haven't been able to sell the original, 
think I'm going to end up giving it to my nephew when he updates his phone.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

Hi Simon,

Thanks as always.  I thought about the same thing you suggested, but I use the 
watch for my work-outs, and didn't really want to go a week or two without one. 
 Also, I haven't research sales of first gen watches, but I wasn't sure we 
could get much more than the $200 we'd pay to fix it, assuming we could get 
that.  My husband says he's going to try and fix it.  If he can, we will sell 
it.  I'm happy with the series 1, and hoping that new employment situations for 
both my husband and me will improve cash flow soon.  So, thinking the series 1 
can hold me till the 3rd gen comes out, at which time I'll probably get the 
series 2, or whatever its equivalent is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The swimming feature / water proof features are the only ones I relly get any 
> thing out of.
> 
> Not that I'm currently swimming a lot at this time.
> 
> As for gps I've only used it twice  while walking around another city during 
> xmas,
> 
> Very coll but I'm not using it enough.
> 
> As for the vo start up ,
> Press the digital crown in three times quickly.
> 
> As for the price / repair,
> 
> Donna 
> My thought would be Look at getting the watch fixed and then sell it for a 
> slightly lesser price to someone and then use that money to purchase a series 
> 2,
> 
> Good lukc 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch questions
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah took mine off charge at 7am this morning and leaving it off till it dies 
to see how long I get out of one charge

Should be interesting,
Approx. 20% over 13 hours, not really a good rate so far.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2017 1:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

Looking forward to seeing what I get with the series 1.  Today is my first full 
day with the watch, so I'll definitely be monitoring the battery life.
Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.

On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden 
<dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:

According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 are: 
Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear function 
for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water resistance rating, 
the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh and a slightly better 
battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. As I do not need the GPS 
tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is.
The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen 
some videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)

Thanks for your good information as always.



On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new models 
have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should respond pretty 
much the same, which is faster than the old first generation but not blazing 
fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing (I still own a 
first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).

The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better waterproofing, 
and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the old first 
generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full water 
activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I know, the 
water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; the 
difference between those is more the processor.

Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has GPS 
so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you don't 
want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will be just 
as responsive as a series 2.

Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found a 
compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd probably 
go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my phone. 
Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But that's 
just me.

--
Alex Hall




On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli 
<sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red card 
can take 5% off that price.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli<http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>


On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional $170 
I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to get 
the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the waterproofing 
issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS matters. 
There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, so the 
series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is 
important, could you tell me why?

Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch

Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Simon,

Thanks as always.  I thought about the same thing you suggested, but I use the 
watch for my work-outs, and didn't really want to go a week or two without one. 
 Also, I haven't research sales of first gen watches, but I wasn't sure we 
could get much more than the $200 we'd pay to fix it, assuming we could get 
that.  My husband says he's going to try and fix it.  If he can, we will sell 
it.  I'm happy with the series 1, and hoping that new employment situations for 
both my husband and me will improve cash flow soon.  So, thinking the series 1 
can hold me till the 3rd gen comes out, at which time I'll probably get the 
series 2, or whatever its equivalent is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 13, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The swimming feature / water proof features are the only ones I relly get any 
> thing out of.
> 
> Not that I'm currently swimming a lot at this time.
> 
> As for gps I've only used it twice  while walking around another city during 
> xmas,
> 
> Very coll but I'm not using it enough.
> 
> As for the vo start up ,
> Press the digital crown in three times quickly.
> 
> As for the price / repair,
> 
> Donna 
> My thought would be Look at getting the watch fixed and then sell it for a 
> slightly lesser price to someone and then use that money to purchase a series 
> 2,
> 
> Good lukc 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch questions
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Looking forward to seeing what I get with the series 1.  Today is my first full 
day with the watch, so I'll definitely be monitoring the battery life.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
> where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 
>> are: Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear 
>> function for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water 
>> resistance rating, the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh 
>> and a slightly better battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. 
>> As I do not need the GPS tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
>>> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
>>> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it 
>>> is.  
>>> The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
>>> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your good information as always.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall > wrote:
 
 Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
 the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the 
 new models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
 respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first 
 generation but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my 
 limited testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the 
 new models).
 
 The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
 waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
 the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and 
 other full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. 
 As far as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and 
 first generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
 
 Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
 bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
 GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
 who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
 you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, 
 it will be just as responsive as a series 2.
 
 Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
 reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
 haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
 Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
 always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
 upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
 
 --
 Alex Hall
 
 
 
 
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:
> 
> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
> card can take 5% off that price.
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an 
>> additional $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is 
>> there any reason to get the second generation over the series one? 
>> Obviously there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how 
>> much the addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between 
>> the series one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If 
>> people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you 
>> tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
>> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?

Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

I just kept the stainless steel band that I used with my old watch.  I hate 
bands with buckles, takes too much fuss to get the watch on and off.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> What band did you go with?
> 
> I have that metal one with the magnetic latch but I recently tried one of the 
> regular buckled bands and I really liked it.
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I went with the series 1.  I'm definitely noticing that it's snappier than 
>> my old watch.
>> Cheers
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
>>> the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited 
>>> testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new 
>>> models).
>>> 
>>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>>> 
>>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>>> 
>>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
>>> reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
>>> haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
>>> Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
>>> always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
>>> upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > wrote:
 
 Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
 card can take 5% off that price.
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any 
> reason to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously 
> there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the 
> addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series 
> one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel 
> that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Scott,

I didn't know about this distinction either until I was in the Apple store on 
Saturday.  The long and short of it was that they were going to charge me $200 
to send my old watch off to Apple to be repaired, and for $270 I could have the 
second gen series 1.  Once I figured out that the GPS wasn't all that relevant, 
the decision was a no-brainer. :)

The difference in processors is very noticeable.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is. 
>  
>   The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
> 
> Thanks for your good information as always.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
>> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
>> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
>> 
>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>> 
>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>> 
>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
>> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't 
>> found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
>> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry 
>> my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. 
>> But that's just me.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>>> card can take 5% off that price.
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
 $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
 to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
 waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
 GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
 GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
 GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
 
 Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
 which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

I’ve not actually tried my battery for more than a day,

Migh have to give it a go and see how long it lasts.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2017 6:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.

On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden 
<dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:

According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 are: 
Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear function 
for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water resistance rating, 
the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh and a slightly better 
battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. As I do not need the GPS 
tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is.
The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen 
some videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)

Thanks for your good information as always.



On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new models 
have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should respond pretty 
much the same, which is faster than the old first generation but not blazing 
fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing (I still own a 
first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).

The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better waterproofing, 
and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the old first 
generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full water 
activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I know, the 
water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; the 
difference between those is more the processor.

Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has GPS 
so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you don't 
want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will be just 
as responsive as a series 2.

Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found a 
compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd probably 
go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my phone. 
Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But that's 
just me.

--
Alex Hall




On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli 
<sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red card 
can take 5% off that price.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli<http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>


On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional $170 
I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to get 
the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the waterproofing 
issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS matters. 
There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, so the 
series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is 
important, could you tell me why?

Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which I'm 
still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
Thanks,
Donna

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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Scott,

Yeah when they released the series 2 they also released a series 1  second gen 
which doesn’t have gps or I believe the water proofing but does have the same 
processor and features of the new series 2,
At least I don’t believe they have the water proofing,

They definitely don’t have the gps.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2017 5:41 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Watch questions

Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is.
The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen 
some videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)

Thanks for your good information as always.



On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall 
<mehg...@icloud.com<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:

Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new models 
have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should respond pretty 
much the same, which is faster than the old first generation but not blazing 
fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing (I still own a 
first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).

The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better waterproofing, 
and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the old first 
generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full water 
activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I know, the 
water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; the 
difference between those is more the processor.

Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has GPS 
so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you don't 
want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will be just 
as responsive as a series 2.

Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found a 
compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd probably 
go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my phone. 
Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But that's 
just me.

--
Alex Hall




On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli 
<sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com<mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red card 
can take 5% off that price.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli<http://www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli>


On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin 
<doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional $170 
I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to get 
the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the waterproofing 
issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS matters. 
There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, so the 
series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is 
important, could you tell me why?

Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which I'm 
still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
Thanks,
Donna

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RE: Apple Watch questions

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 The swimming feature / water proof features are the only ones I relly get any 
thing out of.

 Not that I'm currently swimming a lot at this time.

 As for gps I've only used it twice  while walking around another city during 
xmas,

 Very coll but I'm not using it enough.

 As for the vo start up ,
 Press the digital crown in three times quickly.

 As for the price / repair,

 Donna 
My thought would be Look at getting the watch fixed and then sell it for a 
slightly lesser price to someone and then use that money to purchase a series 2,
 
Good lukc 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 11:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch questions

Hi all,

Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional $170 
I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to get 
the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the waterproofing 
issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS matters. 
There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, so the 
series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS chip is 
important, could you tell me why?

Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which I'm 
still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Scott Granados]

That battery difference is significant.  I get 2 to 3 days on the series 2 
where I got a day / day and a half tops on the original generation 1 version.

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 11:52 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 
> are: Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear 
> function for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water resistance 
> rating, the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh and a 
> slightly better battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. As I do 
> not need the GPS tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
>> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
>> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it 
>> is.  
>>  The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
>> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
>> 
>> Thanks for your good information as always.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of 
>>> the 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited 
>>> testing (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new 
>>> models).
>>> 
>>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>>> 
>>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>>> 
>>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of 
>>> reviews and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and 
>>> haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like 
>>> Donna's I'd probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and 
>>> always carry my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next 
>>> upgrade comes out. But that's just me.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > wrote:
 
 Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
 card can take 5% off that price.
 Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any 
> reason to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously 
> there's the waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the 
> addition of the GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series 
> one and the second GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel 
> that the dish in of the GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
> which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[David Chittenden]

According to Apple, the only differences between the series 1 and series 2 are: 
Series 2 has slightly larger battery, GPS receiver, and the auto-clear function 
for water in the speaker. The series 1 has the same water resistance rating, 
the same memory, and the same chipset as the Series 2, oh and a slightly better 
battery, though not as good as the series 2 battery. As I do not need the GPS 
tracking in the watch, I went with the Series 1.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 13/02/2017, at 17:40, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
> model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
> waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is. 
>  
>   The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
> videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)
> 
> Thanks for your good information as always.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
>> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
>> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
>> 
>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>> 
>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>> 
>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
>> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't 
>> found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
>> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry 
>> my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. 
>> But that's just me.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>>> card can take 5% off that price.
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
 $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
 to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
 waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
 GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
 GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
 GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
 
 Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
 which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Scott Granados]

What band did you go with?

I have that metal one with the magnetic latch but I recently tried one of the 
regular buckled bands and I really liked it.

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I went with the series 1.  I'm definitely noticing that it's snappier than my 
> old watch.
> Cheers
> Donna
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
>> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
>> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
>> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
>> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
>> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
>> 
>> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
>> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as 
>> the old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other 
>> full water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far 
>> as I know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first 
>> generation; the difference between those is more the processor.
>> 
>> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
>> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
>> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone 
>> who regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if 
>> you don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it 
>> will be just as responsive as a series 2.
>> 
>> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
>> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't 
>> found a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
>> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry 
>> my phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. 
>> But that's just me.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>>> card can take 5% off that price.
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
 $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
 to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
 waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
 GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
 GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
 GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
 
 Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, 
 which I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Scott Granados]

Hi Alex, this helps clear up.  I think of the series 1 as the old original 
model I had and the series 2 the new model I have now with the GPS and 
waterproofing.  I wasn’t aware the series 1 was as similar to the 2 as it is.  
The processor in the Apple Watch is fairly substantial.  I’ve seen some 
videos demonstrating running windows on an Apple Watch.;)

Thanks for your good information as always.



> On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
> 
> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the 
> old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full 
> water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I 
> know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; 
> the difference between those is more the processor.
> 
> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
> regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you 
> don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will 
> be just as responsive as a series 2.
> 
> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found 
> a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my 
> phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But 
> that's just me.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>> card can take 5% off that price.
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>>> 
>>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Alex,

I went with the series 1.  I'm definitely noticing that it's snappier than my 
old watch.
Cheers
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 8:39 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
> 2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new 
> models have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should 
> respond pretty much the same, which is faster than the old first generation 
> but not blazing fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing 
> (I still own a first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).
> 
> The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better 
> waterproofing, and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the 
> old first generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full 
> water activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I 
> know, the water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; 
> the difference between those is more the processor.
> 
> Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
> bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has 
> GPS so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
> regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you 
> don't want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will 
> be just as responsive as a series 2.
> 
> Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
> and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found 
> a compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd 
> probably go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my 
> phone. Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But 
> that's just me.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
>> card can take 5% off that price.
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>>> 
>>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, but too late.  I got it at the Apple store.  Thanks, though.
Donna
> On Feb 12, 2017, at 6:11 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
> card can take 5% off that price.
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Alex Hall]

Just to clarify, the first generation is what I think of when I think of the 
2015 Watch. The series 1 and 2 were released in fall 2016. Both the new models 
have identical internals in terms of speed and power, so should respond pretty 
much the same, which is faster than the old first generation but not blazing 
fast. At least, that's what I've found in my limited testing (I still own a 
first ten and have only briefly tried the new models).

The main things with the series 2 over the 1 are the GPS, better waterproofing, 
and brighter screen. The series 1 is as water-resistant as the old first 
generation, while the series 2 is good for swimming and other full water 
activities which could threaten a first gen or series 1. As far as I know, the 
water resistance is identical on the series 1 and first generation; the 
difference between those is more the processor.

Is the series 2 worth it? Well, you could sync over some music, then use 
bluetooth headphones and walk/run with only the Watch, no phone. The 2 has GPS 
so will handle that just fine. It's also good for swimmers, or anyone who 
regularly submerges their hands in water. But the series 1 is fine if you don't 
want stand-alone GPS or the advanced waterproofing. In theory, it will be just 
as responsive as a series 2.

Again, this is all just from my understanding after reading a lot of reviews 
and informational articles. I use a first generation daily, and haven't found a 
compelling reason to upgrade yet. But if mine broke like Donna's I'd probably 
go for a series 1 since I don't do much swimming and always carry my phone. 
Then I'd do the higher-end model when the next upgrade comes out. But that's 
just me.

--
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> On Feb 12, 2017, at 19:11, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red 
> card can take 5% off that price.
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Get the series 1 from Target. On sell right now, and if you get their red card 
can take 5% off that price.
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, David. I didn't realize that the second GEN series one also had better 
water resistance, that's good to know. Sounds like that's the route I'll be 
going. Thanks for your input, it's always appreciated.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> I got the second gen series 1. It has a little better battery life, better 
> water resistance, and faster processors.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 12/02/2017, at 11:19, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scott,

Thanks for the response. The series one that I was talking about is actually a 
first GEN, but with the dual core processor, so should theoretically have 
similar speed to the second GEN. I'm thinking that probably the GPS is not 
worth the extra hundred dollars that it would cost. And what you're saying 
seems to confirm that.

U thanks,
Donna

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> On Feb 11, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna, I’m not sure it’s worth the money but I’m not sure it’s not, it’s 
> border line.
> 
> The biggest thing about the series 2 for me is it’s much faster and more 
> responsive than the series 1.  It does tend to be very sensitive though in 
> terms of the screen activating.  The GPS for me seems tome things like the 
> screen with your city update faster while traveling but over all it’s pretty 
> subjective.  I don’t use any apps that run independently in the watch with 
> GPS to really benefit.
>On the watch if you want to start voice over you should triple press the 
> crown or go to the app on the phone and go to general, accessibility and 
> voiceover and activate.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
>> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason 
>> to get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
>> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the 
>> GPS matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second 
>> GEN, so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the 
>> GPS chip is important, could you tell me why?
>> 
>> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
>> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[Scott Granados]

Hi Donna, I’m not sure it’s worth the money but I’m not sure it’s not, it’s 
border line.

The biggest thing about the series 2 for me is it’s much faster and more 
responsive than the series 1.  It does tend to be very sensitive though in 
terms of the screen activating.  The GPS for me seems tome things like the 
screen with your city update faster while traveling but over all it’s pretty 
subjective.  I don’t use any apps that run independently in the watch with GPS 
to really benefit.
On the watch if you want to start voice over you should triple press 
the crown or go to the app on the phone and go to general, accessibility and 
voiceover and activate.

Good luck.


> On Feb 11, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Watch questions

[David Chittenden]

I got the second gen series 1. It has a little better battery life, better 
water resistance, and faster processors.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 12/02/2017, at 11:19, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, since I don't have AppleCare, it's a $200 repair. For an additional 
> $170 I can get a second GEN watch. Here's my question. Is there any reason to 
> get the second generation over the series one? Obviously there's the 
> waterproofing issue. But I'm wondering about how much the addition of the GPS 
> matters. There's $100 difference between the series one and the second GEN, 
> so the series one is tempting. If people feel that the dish in of the GPS 
> chip is important, could you tell me why?
> 
> Also, on a much more basic level, I need to repair my existing watch, which 
> I'm still using. What's the command for turning on VoiceOver?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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