RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-29 Thread Simon Fogarty 
I'm not sure my fingers work that way,

 That's one crazy finger spread.

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On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2016 9:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Hey guys. I got a reply back from Apple Accessibility. So they say that if 
Voiceover crashes while using Alex, they want you to do something called a 
SysDiagnose command by pressing Control+Option+Command+Shift+Period and send 
them the logs as attachments. I'll do that when I feel like crashing my 
computer which should be fun lol. *:P

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after downloading the 
> voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it went back to alex 
> what in the world?
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O As I'm about to update to 10.12
>>> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
>>> make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
>>> is not going to screw up my machine?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
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>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing 
>>> Sparrow
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>> 
>>> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
>>> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
>>>> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
>>>> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
>>>> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
>>>> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
>>>> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
>>>> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
>>>> one I can guide you through how to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle:
>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username:
>>>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing 
>>>> Sparrow
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here 
>>>> is what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 
>>>> white pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally 
>>>> stopped working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 
>>>> 10.11 I know at least one person on the list that has the same 
>>>> macbook I have and they haven't had any problems.
>>>> 
>>>> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i 
>>>> fix this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love 
>>>> to continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please 
>>>> advise me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>>>> 
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Shawn Krasniuk 
Yes. Send those logs to Accessibility.

Shawn
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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Shawn wrote:
> 
> I'll do that when I feel like crashing my computer which should be fun lol.
> 
> ROFL!  Uh, yee'eeah.  That's about the size of it.  But no, seriously, what 
> e-mail do we then sent that diag to?  Normally, when I've created those 
> things, Apple sends me a website via e-mail where I upload the file to be 
> attached to a particular opened case I have with a senior advisor.
> 
> So, do we just send to accessibility?  Plus, aren't those files generally 
> several hundred megs?  Or am I thinking of a different type of diag test.  I 
> know Apple's had me do one a few times, and it was pretty big.
> 
> Definitely definitely not something I would a wanted to a sent over plain 
> e-mail; that's for darn sure.  LOL!
> 
> Chris. 
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 

Shawn wrote:

I'll do that when I feel like crashing my computer which should be fun lol.

ROFL!  Uh, yee'eeah.  That's about the size of it.  But no, seriously, what 
e-mail do we then sent that diag to?  Normally, when I've created those 
things, Apple sends me a website via e-mail where I upload the file to be 
attached to a particular opened case I have with a senior advisor.


So, do we just send to accessibility?  Plus, aren't those files generally 
several hundred megs?  Or am I thinking of a different type of diag test.  I 
know Apple's had me do one a few times, and it was pretty big.


Definitely definitely not something I would a wanted to a sent over plain 
e-mail; that's for darn sure.  LOL!


Chris. 


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 

Guys,

Could this be a disk permissions thing?  Is there a way in Disk Utility that 
we can check/repair?  I know since El Capitan, they removed that option from 
Disk Utility, as it's kind a supposed to do that stuff automatically, isn't 
it?

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From: "Singing Sparrow" <sunsh...@abe.midco.net>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after
downloading the voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it
went back to alex what in the world?


On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any 
problems.


Shawn
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
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On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
is not going to screw up my machine?


Cheers,


Simon F

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow

Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it 
is after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to 
boot.



On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about 
this issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. 
It's strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this 
right away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have 
them. They never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help 
installing one I can guide you through how to do it.



Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle:
shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username:
bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Shawn Krasniuk 
Hey guys. I got a reply back from Apple Accessibility. So they say that if 
Voiceover crashes while using Alex, they want you to do something called a 
SysDiagnose command by pressing Control+Option+Command+Shift+Period and send 
them the logs as attachments. I'll do that when I feel like crashing my 
computer which should be fun lol. *:P

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after downloading the 
> voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it went back to alex 
> what in the world?
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
>> If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> O As I'm about to update to 10.12
>>> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 
>>> make sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which 
>>> is not going to screw up my machine?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>> 
>>> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
>>> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
>>>> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
>>>> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
>>>> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
>>>> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
>>>> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
>>>> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
>>>> one I can guide you through how to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Shawn
>>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle:
>>>> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username:
>>>> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
>>>> what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
>>>> pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
>>>> working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
>>>> at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
>>>> they haven't had any problems.
>>>> 
>>>> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
>>>> this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
>>>> continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
>>>> me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>>>> 
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Singing Sparrow 
Well, here is a strange one for you, I switched to Tom, after 
downloading the voice and it started for like 2 to 4 seconds and then it 
went back to alex what in the world?



On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com


On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:

Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle:
shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username:
bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Singing Sparrow 
Strange Because When Alex works  the Macbook mid 2010 white polly carbon 
works great when I am using it with alex, but the strange thing is if i 
walk away for a bit and come back, If i am playing music or something 
that keeps the system in working mode/ or making the hard disc do 
something then i am fine so what Gives?



On 9/28/2016 8:04 AM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

O As I'm about to update to 10.12
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:

Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle:
shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username:
bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
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Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped
working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know
at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and
they haven't had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise
me as to what i can do to fix this problem.


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Shawn Krasniuk 
If it's a 2010 Mac, yes. If it's a newer Mac you shouldn't have any problems.

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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> O As I'm about to update to 10.12 
> Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
> sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
> going to screw up my machine?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
> 
> What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
> after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.
> 
> 
> On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
>> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
>> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
>> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
>> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
>> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
>> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing one 
>> I can guide you through how to do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>> 
>> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is 
>> what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
>> pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped 
>> working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know 
>> at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and 
>> they haven't had any problems.
>> 
>> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix 
>> this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to 
>> continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise 
>> me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>> 
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RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Simon Fogarty 
O As I'm about to update to 10.12 
Am I picking here that I first need to download a few extra voices and 2 make 
sure I change from the old faithfull of alex to something else which is not 
going to screw up my machine?

Cheers,


Simon F

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On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2016 6:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it is 
after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
> Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
> issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
> strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
> disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
> away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
> never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing one 
> I can guide you through how to do it.
>
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter Handle: 
> shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
> bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
>
> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is 
> what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
> pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped 
> working, I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know 
> at least one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and 
> they haven't had any problems.
>
> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix 
> this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to 
> continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise 
> me as to what i can do to fix this problem.
>

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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread christopher hallsworth 
Nothing. Sounds like a serious bug with 2010 macs and agreed that everyone 
owning such macs should let Apple Accessibility know right away. Ok, it’s old 
hardware, but as you know with Apple, they have a history of supporting old 
hardware much longer than the competitors. Look at the iPhone 4s for example. 
Ok, it’s a different topic, but it’s only this year they stopped supporting the 
4s, yet it’s been around since 2011. But you get the idea. I have a 2011 mac 
and have no such problems, so it seems to be exclusive to 2010 macs.
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 05:48, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is what is 
> happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white pollycarbon I 
> will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working, I did the upgrade 
> from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least one person on the list 
> that has the same macbook I have and they haven't had any problems.
> 
> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix this 
> because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to continue 
> working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me as to what i 
> can do to fix this problem.
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-28 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Yeah, but that could be playing the contributing factor.  I'm not totally 
sure.  I know Ben isn't having this issue.  I just asked him, and hopefully 
in a bit, he'll write in with his thoughts.

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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it
is after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to
boot.


On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:
Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing 
one I can guide you through how to do it.



Shawn
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working,
I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least
one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't
had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me
as to what i can do to fix this problem.



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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-27 Thread Shawn Krasniuk 
Neither is mine Chris. I just wrote an email to Apple Accessibility regarding 
this issue. I suggest that everyone using a 2010 Mac do the same.

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> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> We also looked at one point, and his system is not set to go to sleep, nor 
> screen saver, nor anything like that of sort.
> 
> This is just totally totally wicked weird!
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> - Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:48 AM
> Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.
> 
> 
>> Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is what is 
>> happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white pollycarbon I 
>> will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working, I did the upgrade 
>> from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least one person on the list 
>> that has the same macbook I have and they haven't had any problems.
>> 
>> What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix this 
>> because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to continue 
>> working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me as to what i 
>> can do to fix this problem.
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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Interesting!  So, yes, he absolutely is using Alex.  That could be the 
problem.  OK, to the other genglemen, again, you didn't want your real name 
being publisized, but, do you know how to download Tom, kind a like we did 
with the enhanced Alex voice the other day?  It's the same principle. 
Download it, but don't switch to it until you're sure it's totally 
downloaded.  Try either that, or Daniel, maybe Samantha, or something.

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From: "BBS" <bbssh...@icloud.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 AM
Subject: RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's 
strange that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really 
disconcerting that the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right 
away. In the meantime, use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They 
never crash Voiceover and if you don't have one and need help installing one 
I can guide you through how to do it.



Shawn
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working,
I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least
one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't
had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me
as to what i can do to fix this problem.

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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-27 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland 
We also looked at one point, and his system is not set to go to sleep, nor 
screen saver, nor anything like that of sort.


This is just totally totally wicked weird!
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From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:48 AM
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.


Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is what 
is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working, I 
did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least one 
person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't had 
any problems.


What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix this 
because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to continue 
working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me as to what 
i can do to fix this problem.


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Re: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-27 Thread Singing Sparrow 
What is strange is that  alex works fine ifif i am using the mac but it 
is after i leave for a bit that it does not work, so that is strange to 
boot.



On 9/28/2016 12:09 AM, BBS wrote:

Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working,
I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least
one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't
had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me
as to what i can do to fix this problem.



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RE: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

2016-09-27 Thread BBS 
Are you using Alex by any chance? If you recall my last message about this 
issue, it only happens for me if I use Alex as my Voiceover voice. It's strange 
that Macs 2011 and up don't have this issue but it's really disconcerting that 
the 2010's do and I really hope Apple fixes this right away. In the meantime, 
use one of the Nuance voices if you have them. They never crash Voiceover and 
if you don't have one and need help installing one I can guide you through how 
to do it.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mc Os 10.12 questions.

Ok, I just updated to the latest version of Mac OS 10.12 Now here is 
what is happening everytime I walk away from my Macbook mid 2010 white 
pollycarbon I will come back and Voiceover has totally stopped working, 
I did the upgrade from the prior version of OSX 10.11 I know at least 
one person on the list that has the same macbook I have and they haven't 
had any problems.

What is going on here with my set up on my macbook? and how can i fix 
this because I am really growing to love the Mac and would love to 
continue working with the operating system and Macbook. Please advise me 
as to what i can do to fix this problem.

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