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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-11 Thread skipper8218

Thanks.

I’ll give that a try.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:37 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hello,

In Safari, these commands should also work, though at least in some cases, I 
find that option-uparrow moves me to the top rather than command-uparrow. I'm 
not sure, but it might be that the option-uparrow is for tables.

In terms of option-arrow left/right to move by word and command left/right to 
move end/start of line these will work on web pages unless the web page has 
overwritten the default arrow keys. Even then one can get these to work by 
clicking a checkbox in VoiceOver Utility and then saying "I agree" in a dialog 
box. Specifically, the Always allow keyboard commands to navigate websites in 
the Web area. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On May 10, 2021, at 10:01, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

That depends on what you are doing.

These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they should 
perform the function described.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 08:54, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hi  Rebecca,

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-11 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Sorry about the second message. The PageUp and PageDown keys move the display 
without changing focus or VoiceOver position making them pretty useless for VO 
users.
I believe that VO with another modifier key and Page Up will move to the 
beginning of a sentence.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 10, 2021, at 09:51, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi  Rebecca,
> 
> The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
> applications:
> 
> CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
> CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
> CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
> CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.
> 
> I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
> see if it works as expected.
> 
> If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page 
> Up or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows 
> keys for these functions.
> Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform 
> the Home and End function.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2021, at 06:39,  >  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page 
> up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
> I have a M1 machine.
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-11 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Hello,
In Safari, these commands should also work, though at least in some cases, I 
find that option-uparrow moves me to the top rather than command-uparrow. I'm 
not sure, but it might be that the option-uparrow is for tables.
In terms of option-arrow left/right to move by word and command left/right to 
move end/start of line these will work on web pages unless the web page has 
overwritten the default arrow keys. Even then one can get these to work by 
clicking a checkbox in VoiceOver Utility and then saying "I agree" in a dialog 
box. Specifically, the Always allow keyboard commands to navigate websites in 
the Web area. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 10, 2021, at 10:01, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> That depends on what you are doing.
> These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they 
> should perform the function described.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2021, at 08:54,  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?
> Thanks.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac
>  
> Hi  Rebecca,
>  
> The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
> applications:
>  
> CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
> CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
> CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
> CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.
>  
> I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
> see if it works as expected.
>  
> If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page 
> Up or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows 
> keys for these functions.
> Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform 
> the Home and End function.
>  
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On May 10, 2021, at 06:39,  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page 
> up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
> I have a M1 machine.
> Thanks.
>  
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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-11 Thread Kerryann Ifill

Hi,

Is there   anyway to continue reading in pages? Each time I get to the end of a 
page, I have to manoeuvre past the footer and header to get to the  next page.

Any ideas?

Kerry

> On 10 May 2021, at 7:26 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> They’re listed under “Document Shortcuts” on this page:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 
> 
> You’ll find a variety of other useful keyboard commands there also.
>  
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>  > on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com 
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> Date: Monday, May 10, 2021 at 07:39
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> Subject: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac
> 
> Hi,
> How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page 
> up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
> I have a M1 machine.
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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread skipper8218

Thanks.

Page bookmarked.

From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

They’re listed under “Document Shortcuts” on this page:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

You’ll find a variety of other useful keyboard commands there also.

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Subject: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

They’re listed under “Document Shortcuts” on this page:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236You’ll find a variety of other useful keyboard commands there also. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on behalf of skipper8...@gmail.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2021 at 07:39To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Question About Navigation Commands for MacHi,How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?I have a M1 machine.Thanks. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/064b01d74591%2426865030%247392f090%24%40gmail.com.



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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread Shirley Healy

great! Thank you!
shirley
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brad Snyder 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

  Navigate to the point where you would like to begin reading.
  Then use the command VO + A, to begin continuous reading from the point of 
the VoiceOver cursor.

  - Brad -

  On May 10, 2021, at 09:10, Shirley Healy  wrote:

  How do I read from the beginning of a document, or email?
  what command keystroke do I need to use to do that?
  shirley
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Subject: RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Thanks.
Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?
Thanks.

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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hi  Rebecca,

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it 
and see if it works as expected.

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated 
Page Up or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down 
arrows keys for these functions.
Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform 
the Home and End function.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39,   
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How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page 
up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
I have a M1 machine.
Thanks.

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread Brad Snyder

Navigate to the point where you would like to begin reading.
Then use the command VO + A, to begin continuous reading from the point of the 
VoiceOver cursor.

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On May 10, 2021, at 09:10, Shirley Healy  wrote:

How do I read from the beginning of a document, or email?
what command keystroke do I need to use to do that?
shirley
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> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 2:54 PM
> Subject: RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac
> 
> Thanks.
> Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?
> Thanks.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac
>  
> Hi  Rebecca,
>  
> The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
> applications:
>  
> CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
> CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
> CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
> CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.
>  
> I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
> see if it works as expected.
>  
> If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page 
> Up or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows 
> keys for these functions.
> Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform 
> the Home and End function.
>  
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On May 10, 2021, at 06:39,  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>>  <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
> How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page 
> up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
> I have a M1 machine.
> Thanks.
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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread skipper8218

Thanks.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

That depends on what you are doing.

These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they should 
perform the function described.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 08:54, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
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Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hi  Rebecca,

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread Shirley Healy

How do I read from the beginning of a document, or email?
what command keystroke do I need to use to do that?
shirley
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From: skipper8...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

Hi Rebecca,

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing
applications:

CMD + Left Arrow - Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow - Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow - Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and
see if it works as expected.

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page
Up or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows
keys for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform
the Home and End function.

- Brad -

On May 10, 2021, at 06:39,
wrote:

Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page
up and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread Brad Snyder

That depends on what you are doing.
These are text editing commands.  If you are in an edit field, then they should 
perform the function described.


- Brad -


On May 10, 2021, at 08:54,   
wrote:

Thanks.
Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac
 
Hi  Rebecca,
 
The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:
 
CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.
 
I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.
 
If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.
Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.
 
- Brad -

 
On May 10, 2021, at 06:39, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi,
How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?
I have a M1 machine.
Thanks.
 
 
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RE: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread skipper8218

Thanks.

Will this work in Safari or other Mac web browsers?

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

 

Hi  Rebecca,

 

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

 

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.

CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.

CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.

CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

 

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

 

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
for these functions.

Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

 

- Brad -

 

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Hi,

How do I go to end of line, top of line, end of file, top of file, and page up 
and page down using the Mac’s keyboard?

I have a M1 machine.

Thanks.

 

 

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Re: Question About Navigation Commands for Mac

2021-05-10 Thread Brad Snyder

Hi  Rebecca,

The following keyboard commands should work in most native Mac text editing 
applications:

CMD + Left Arrow -  Go to beginning of current line.
CMD + Right Arrow -  Go to end of current line.
CMD + Up Arrow -  Go to beginning of document.
CMD + Down Arrow - Go to end of document.

I never have needed to use Page Up or Page Down, but you can try using it and 
see if it works as expected.

If you are using an Apple Magic Keyboard that does not have a dedicated Page Up 
or Page Down key, try holding down the Fn key, and use the Up/Down arrows keys 
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Likewise, using the Fn key with the Left and Right arrow keys will perform the 
Home and End function.

- Brad -


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I have a M1 machine.
Thanks.
 

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