RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks for that and I’ll give it a try.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 6:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Hi Simon. How are you? The way to dlete iit is by goign to settings, general 
and I cloud storage. Or I think you need to go to iPhone storage or something. 
That is the onl way. Hope this helps. I hve not try it but someone told me that 
is the only way now guys! Hope this helps. I look forward in hearing from you 
soon. Thanks and God bless!
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Group Moderator

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On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
You gotta be kidding me?

I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Morning macsters,

 Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
IOS 11 beta?

I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
to find the delete option
or even get it to work with the current delete app function.

Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?

Cheers

Simon Fthen


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
> <nimerjab...@gmail.com<mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>> <portia.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:portia.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> downloading apps is broken.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>>> might be a good reason to try it.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
>>>> <portia.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:portia.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>>>> going to install them?
>>>>
>>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
>>>> <dragonwalke

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi, correct. Well lol! Nearly discussed the workaround on here, good job I 
discarded it when I did.
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 05:44, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Morning macsters,
> 
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
> IOS 11 beta?
> 
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
> to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
> 
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Simon Fthen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
> >>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
> >>>> going to install them?
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
> >>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> >>>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> >>>>> “Arrange Apps”
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> >>>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> >>>>> Treat
> >>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> >>>>> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> >>>>> drop the item into that folder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> >>>>> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> >>>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> >>>>> moving.
> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
> >>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
> >>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> >>>>>>> operate differently.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
> >>>>>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
> >>>>>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
> >>>>>>> that gesture all the time.
> >>>>>>> Yes,
> >>>>>>> reporting this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. The a

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Oriol Gómez]

They will fix it guys, don't worry, of course bugs happen.
Report it to Apple. I can't do it because I don't have the beta installed.
Can someone report as well the bug on the appstore if you already have
an app urchased you can't click the download button, only obtain, and
can't donwload purchased aps from the purchase button inside the
account section which is unlabelled

thanks

On 7/3/17, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Simon. How are you? The way to dlete iit is by goign to settings, general
> and I cloud storage. Or I think you need to go to iPhone storage or
> something. That is the onl way. Hope this helps. I hve not try it but
> someone told me that is the only way now guys! Hope this helps. I look
> forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
>   Helga Schreiber
> Group Moderator
>
>   for the IPad help for the Blind
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io
>
> Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends,
> feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where
> people with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text
> only!
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> Florida Association of Blind Students
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> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
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> Phone: (561) 203-9266
>  .
>
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> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3
>
>> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>
>> You gotta be kidding me?
>>
>> I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?
>>
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t
>> possible.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>
>> wrote:
>> Morning macsters,
>>
>>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin
>> the IOS 11 beta?
>>
>> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been
>> able to find the delete option
>> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
>>
>> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Simon Fthen
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>> >>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>> >>>> going to install them?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install pur

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Simon. How are you? The way to dlete iit is by goign to settings, general 
and I cloud storage. Or I think you need to go to iPhone storage or something. 
That is the onl way. Hope this helps. I hve not try it but someone told me that 
is the only way now guys! Hope this helps. I look forward in hearing from you 
soon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the Blind 
ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
 
Admin of World Wide Friends Text: If you want to chat and make new friends, 
feel free to join a WhatsApp group called World Wide Friends Text, where people 
with hearing lost and who are blind can freely communicate by text only! 
‎Open this link to join my WhatsApp group: 
https://chat.whatsapp.com/5yDqxdAPgEJKAhFWlRh13D 
Member of the National Federation of the Blind and board member of the Florida 
Association of Blind Students 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between 
blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not 
what holds you back. 
Phone: (561) 203-9266  
 .  
 

iMessaging Contact: helga.schrei...@hotmail.com 
  
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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.3.3 

> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> You gotta be kidding me?
>  
> I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>  
> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.
>  
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> Morning macsters,
> 
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
> IOS 11 beta?
> 
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
> to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
> 
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Simon Fthen
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
> >>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
> >>>> going to install them?
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
> >>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> >>>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> >>>>> “Arrange Apps”
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> >>>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> >>>>> Treat
> >>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go 

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

You gotta be kidding me?

I assume this is something of a bug and they’re working on it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 4:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Morning macsters,

 Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
IOS 11 beta?

I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
to find the delete option
or even get it to work with the current delete app function.

Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?

Cheers

Simon Fthen


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
> <nimerjab...@gmail.com<mailto:nimerjab...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>> <portia.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:portia.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> downloading apps is broken.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>>> might be a good reason to try it.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
>>>> <portia.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:portia.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>>>> going to install them?
>>>>
>>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley 
>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
>>>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
>>>>> “Arrange Apps”
>>>>> it
>>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
>>>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
>>>>>
>>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>>>> Treat
>>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
>>>>> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
>>>>> drop the item into that folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
>>>>> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
>>>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
>>>>> moving.
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se<mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com<mailto:dragonwalke...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>>>>>> operate differently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
>>>>>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
>>>>>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
>>>>>>> that gesture all the ti

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Kevin Chao]

Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

> Morning macsters,
>
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin
> the IOS 11 beta?
>
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been
> able to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
>
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon Fthen
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
> >>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
> >>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
> >>>> going to install them?
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
> >>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> >>>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of
> “Arrange Apps”
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> >>>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> >>>>> Treat
> >>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> >>>>> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> >>>>> drop the item into that folder.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> >>>>> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> >>>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> >>>>> moving.
> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
> >>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
> >>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
> do.
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> >>>>>>> operate differently.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
> >>>>>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
> >>>>>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
> >>>>>>> that gesture all the time.
> >>>>>>> Yes,
> >>>>>>> reporting this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
> >>>>>>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left.
> >>>>>>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figu

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Morning macsters,

 Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
IOS 11 beta?

I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
to find the delete option 
or even get it to work with the current delete app function.

Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?

Cheers 

Simon Fthen 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like 
>> downloading apps is broken.
>> 
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
>>> might be a good reason to try it.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but 
>>>> not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when 
>>>> going to install them?
>>>> 
>>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps 
>>>> that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
>>>>> “Arrange Apps”
>>>>> it
>>>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
>>>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>>>> Treat
>>>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder 
>>>>> you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to 
>>>>> drop the item into that folder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder 
>>>>> I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger 
>>>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app 
>>>>> moving.
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
>>>>>>> operate differently.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes 
>>>>>>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then 
>>>>>>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use 
>>>>>>> that gesture all the time.
>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>>>>>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. 
>>>>>>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how 
>>>>>>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental 
>>>>>>> hand off occurs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or 
>>>>>>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able 
>>>>>>> to go into the files app and share then c

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Oriol Gómez]

>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>>>>>>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>>>>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>>>>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>>>>>>>>>> operate
>>>>>>>>>>> differently.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me
>>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
>>>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand
>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
>>>>>>>>>>> sluggish
>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
>>>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream
>>>>>>>>>>> Reader
>>>>>>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t
>>>>>>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and
>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>>>>>>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touc

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Michael Marshall]

;>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>>>>>>>>> differently.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>>>>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>>>>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>>>>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>>>>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>>>>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>>>>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>>>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>>>>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>>>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>>>>>>>> erradically.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>>>>>>>>>> hour.
>>>>>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries o

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

 spot with another 1-finger flick.
>>>>>>>>>> give it
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>>>>>>>>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>>>>>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>> /A
>>>>>>>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>>>>>>>>>>> operate
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
>>>>>>>>>>>> me to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me
>>>>>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Home
>>>>>>>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hand off
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
>>>>>>>>>>>> sluggish
>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader
>>>>>>>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t
>>>>>>>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and
>>>>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com&

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

gt;>> differently.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>>>>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>>>>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>>>>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>>>>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>>>>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>>>>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>>>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>>>>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>>>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>>>>>>>> erradically.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>>>>>>>>>> hour.
>>>>>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>&g

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> >>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> >>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>>>>>> iOS
>> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>> >>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> >>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>> >>>>>>>> erradically.
>> >>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>> >>>>>>>> hour.
>> >>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>> >>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> >>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>> >>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>> >>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Scott
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> >>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> >>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly 
>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>> >>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>> >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> >>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

>> >>>>>> Hi!
>>>> >>>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>> >>>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>> >>>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
>>>> >>>>>> do.
>>>> >>>>>> /A
>>>> >>>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>> >>>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>>> >>>>>>> operate
>>>> >>>>>>> differently.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
>>>> >>>>>>> me to a
>>>> >>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me
>>>> >>>>>>> back to
>>>> >>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
>>>> >>>>>>> time.
>>>> >>>>>>> Yes,
>>>> >>>>>>> reporting this.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
>>>> >>>>>>> them
>>>> >>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
>>>> >>>>>>> Home
>>>> >>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get
>>>> >>>>>>> Hand off
>>>> >>>>>>> to
>>>> >>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
>>>> >>>>>>> sluggish
>>>> >>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
>>>> >>>>>>> to go
>>>> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream
>>>> >>>>>>> Reader
>>>> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
>>>> >>>>>>> didn’t
>>>> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and
>>>> >>>>>>> drop
>>>> >>>>>>> but
>>>> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
>>>> >>>>>>> issues
>>>> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
>>>> >>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>> iOS
>>>> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>>>> >>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch
>>>> >>>>>>>> screen on
>>>> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There
>>>> >>>>>>>> is an
>>>> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between
>>>> >>>>>>>> messages.
>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Daniel Miller]

;>> >>>>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>> >>>>>>> Yes,
>>> >>>>>>> reporting this.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>> >>>>>>> them
>>> >>>>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> >>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand 
>>> >>>>>>> off
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> >>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>>> >>>>>>> go
>>> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
>>> >>>>>>> didn’t
>>> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>> >>>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
>>> >>>>>>> issues
>>> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>> >>>>>>> iOS
>>> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>> >>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen 
>>> >>>>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between 
>>> >>>>>>>> messages.
>>> >>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>> >>>>>>>> erradically.
>>> >>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>> >>>>>>>> hour.
>>> >>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>> >>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>> >>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>> >>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>> >>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Scott
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> >>>>>>>&

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

 to most recent on the left. The Home
> >>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
> >>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
> >>>>>>> iOS
> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com 
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:scottslistm...@gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> >>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
> >>>>>>>> erradically.
> >>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
> >>>>>>>> hour.
> >>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> >>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> >>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> >>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> >>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of E.T.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>>>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Daniel Miller]

Home
>> >>>>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>>>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>>>>>> iOS
>> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>> >>>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> >>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>> >>>>>>>> erradically.
>> >>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>> >>>>>>>> hour.
>> >>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>> >>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> >>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>> >>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>> >>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Scott
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> >>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> >>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly 
>> >>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>> >>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>> >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: U

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Nimer Jaber]

 get books from the cloud. I was able
> to go
> >>>>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
> >>>>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
> didn’t
> >>>>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
> >>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
> issues
> >>>>>>> updating or searching for apps.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
> >>>>>>> iOS
> >>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <
> scottslistm...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen
> on
> >>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
> >>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is
> an
> >>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between
> messages.
> >>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
> >>>>>>>> erradically.
> >>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
> >>>>>>>> hour.
> >>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> >>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> >>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> >>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> >>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Scott
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly
> wasn't
> >>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Simon,
> >>>>>>>>>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>>>&

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

r apps.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>>>>>> iOS
>>>>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>>>>> erradically.
>>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>>>>>>> hour.
>>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>>>>>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>>>>>>>>>> lively as normal,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>&g

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

I've downloaded apps from the apps store app and had no issues with it on IOS 
11  Pub Beta

What trouble are you having with the application downloads.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Portia Scott
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like downloading apps 
is broken.

On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
> might be a good reason to try it.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not 
>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going 
>> to install them?
>>
>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that 
>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>>> Apps”
>>> it
>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>
>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
>>>
>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>> Treat
>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>>> want or location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the 
>>> item into that folder.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I 
>>> believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger 
>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app 
>>> moving.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>>> /A
>>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>>>> <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
>>>>> operate differently.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me 
>>>>> to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me 
>>>>> back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture 
>>>>> all the time.
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>> reporting this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>>>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The 
>>>>> Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get 
>>>>> Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off 
>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or 
>>>>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able 
>>>>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream 
>>>>> Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
>>>>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag 
>>>>> and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
>>>>> issues updating or searching for apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from 
>>>>> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen 
>>>>>> on my 6S behaving any differently.
>>

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders

Give it time and play lots,
There are some very nice things in there that I think you will come to like ,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 4:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Hi!
A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
But this is on an Iphone Se.
SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
/A
28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:

Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!

My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just a 
first release issue.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes the new app store and itunes stores are two things I also like,


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 2:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
differently. 

1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign in 
screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home screen. 
This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, reporting this. 

2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from most 
recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is gone 
and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch back 
after an accidental hand off occurs. 

3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish depending 
on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.

4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into the 
files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just a 
different way of doing things. 

5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I figured 
it out, I do like it. 

6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues updating 
or searching for apps. 

Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on 
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an 
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather 
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text 
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the 
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't 
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out 
>>> and destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>> 
>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
>>>> lively as normal,
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / 
>>>> purchase without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>> 
>>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
>>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
>>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or 
>>>> made them yourself.
>>>> 
>>>

RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi scott,

 Not a braille user so not a worry for me in this case.

The screen sensitivity issues I'm having are a lack of sensitivity  when doing 
things like 2 finger swipe up or down,
 So two finger swipe up to the top of the screen doesn't work,

This is on a 7+ so possibly the screen is the difference.

A couple of new rota options, mis spelled words while typing a message in the 
iMessage app.

And a number of other features which I'm so far going to say are very cool.




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 2:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on my 6S 
behaving any differently.
1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an actions 
rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather condition and 
tempature is not read by VO.
4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text shortcuts appear 
not to be functioning. It works fine using the onscreen keyboard.

Scott

On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't 
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out 
>> and destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
>>> lively as normal,
>>>
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made 
>>> them yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Nimer Jaber]

screen on
>>>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>>>> erradically.
>>>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>>>>>>> hour.
>>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>>>>>> something I expected.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>>>>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>>>>>>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>>>>>>>>> lively as normal,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>>>>>>>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>>>>>>>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>> 

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

gt;>> hour.
>>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>>>>> something I expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>>>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>>>>>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>>>>>>>> lively as normal,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>>>>>>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>>>>>>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
>>>>>>>>> come.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>>>>>>>> Visionaries

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be a 
good reason to try it.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott <portia.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
> install them?
> 
> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it
>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>> 
>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> where it used to say Move App.
>> 
>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat
>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or
>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that
>> folder.
>> 
>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe
>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some
>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>> /A
>>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>>> differently.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the
>>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes,
>>>> reporting this.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to
>>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>> 
>>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>> 
>>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but
>>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>> 
>>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>> 
>>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS
>>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>>> erradically.
>>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
install them?

Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
you want on your iPhone from iTunes.

On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
>
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
> where it used to say Move App.
>
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or
> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that
> folder.
>
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe
> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some
> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>> differently.
>>>
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the
>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>>
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to
>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>>
>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>>
>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but
>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>>
>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>>
>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS
>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>>> erradically.
>>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>  Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>>> somethin

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger flick 
down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps” it will say 
“Edit Mode”. 

If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop where 
it used to say Move App. 

Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second. Treat this 
just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want or 
location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into that 
folder. 

Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I believe you 
have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it some time as 
it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
>> differently. 
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign 
>> in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home 
>> screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, 
>> reporting this. 
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from 
>> most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is 
>> gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to 
>> switch back after an accidental hand off occurs. 
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish 
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into 
>> the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so 
>> just a different way of doing things. 
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t 
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once 
>> I figured it out, I do like it. 
>> 
>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues 
>> updating or searching for apps. 
>> 
>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS 
>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around 
>>> erradically.
>>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>>> onscreen keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>  Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>>> something I expected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>  That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Krister Ekstrom]

Anders, have you hear d the new swedish siri voice? I thought it was quite 
nice. Wonder if you can only use it with Siri.
One bug i noticed in earlier iOs versions has apparently been fixed, you can 
now add posts to calendar using Siri. I’m not quite sure what i like or don’t 
like about the app store.
I think there will always be a limited amount of swedish voices. There are 
gazillions of english voices fro everywhere but only two or three swedish ones, 
that’s the way of the world alas.
/Krister

> 28 juni 2017 kl. 18:33 skrev Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se>:
> 
> Hi!
> A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
> But this is on an Iphone Se.
> SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
> SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
> thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>>:
>> 
>> Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!
>>  
>> My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three 
>> fingers,
>> I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just 
>> a first release issue.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>  
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
>> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>  
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
>> would be 
>> DON”T!
>>  
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
>> normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
>> closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
>> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
>> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>  
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>  
>> -- 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
How do one drag and drop?
And where did you find about that feature?
I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
/A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com>:
> 
> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
> differently. 
> 
> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign 
> in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home 
> screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, 
> reporting this. 
> 
> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from 
> most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is 
> gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch 
> back after an accidental hand off occurs. 
> 
> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish 
> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> 
> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into 
> the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just 
> a different way of doing things. 
> 
> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
> you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I 
> figured it out, I do like it. 
> 
> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues 
> updating or searching for apps. 
> 
> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
> things seem to be working OK though.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>> my 6S behaving any differently.
>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
>> onscreen keyboard.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>   Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>>> something I expected.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>>> 
>>>> Simon,
>>>>   That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>>>> lively as normal,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>>> 
>>>>&g

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
But this is on an Iphone Se.
SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
/A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com>:
> 
> Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!
>  
> My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
> I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just 
> a first release issue.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>  
> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>  
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
> would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
> normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
> closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I am having trouble with pages.

There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a page 
break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable to 
perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu bar, 
and choose insert page break, then it works.

Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard shortcut 
versus going through the menu bar..

thanks!
Caitlyn
ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app here?

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
differently. 

1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign in 
screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home screen. 
This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, reporting this. 

2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from most 
recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is gone 
and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch back 
after an accidental hand off occurs. 

3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish depending 
on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.

4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into the 
files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just a 
different way of doing things. 

5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I figured 
it out, I do like it. 

6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues updating 
or searching for apps. 

Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>> 
>>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>>> lively as normal,
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>> 
>>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
>>>> yourself.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>> 
>>>

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Davert]

here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
my 6S behaving any differently.
1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
condition and tempature is not read by VO.
4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
onscreen keyboard.

Scott

On 6/28/17, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>>
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>
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&g

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[E.T.]

   Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't something I 
expected.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Simon,
That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and 
destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi List,



Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
suggestion would be DON”T!



I have and although a number of things are looking good

I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
lively as normal,

A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
without closing the app and then reopening it.

Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them 
yourself.







So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.



But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't something I 
expected.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Simon,
That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and 
destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Hi List,
>
>
>
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
> suggestion would be DON”T!
>
>
>
> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
> lively as normal,
>
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them 
> yourself.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>
>
>
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>
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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

No it will over write the existing profile.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Krister Ekström
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 3:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.

Skickat från min iPhone

27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>:
You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it 
automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed boot file.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström 
<kris...@kristersplace.com<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:

I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
/Krister


Skickat från min iPhone

27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>:
I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!

My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just a 
first release issue.

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Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[lenron brown]

Thought it was something like that, thanks bro.

On 6/27/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> The link is beta.apple.com 
>
> Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>
>> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
>> link.
>>
>> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>>>
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
 
 wrote:

 Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
 I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.

 Skickat från min iPhone

 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados >>:

> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
> boot file.
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
>> 
>> >>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
>> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados > 
>> >>:
>>
>>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
>>> running
>>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>>
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 >> wrote:

 Hi List,

 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
 suggestion would be
 DON”T!

 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
 lively as normal,
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
 purchase
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
 made
 them yourself.



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 But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

The link is beta.apple.com 

Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.

Hope that helps.

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the link.
> 
> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
>>> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
>>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados >> >>:
>>> 
 You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
 automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
 boot file.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström  
> >> 
> wrote:
> 
> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados  
> >>:
> 
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running
>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be
>>> DON”T!
>>> 
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>>> lively as normal,
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made
>>> them yourself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>> 
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[lenron brown]

Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the link.

On 6/27/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
>> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados > >:
>>
>>> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
>>> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
>>> boot file.
>>>
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström > wrote:

 I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
 have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
 /Krister


 Skickat från min iPhone

 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados >:

> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running
> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>> suggestion would be
>> DON”T!
>>
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
>> lively as normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made
>> them yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
> I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure. 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados  >:
> 
>> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it 
>> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed boot 
>> file.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
>>> beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>> 
>>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados >> >:
>>> 
 I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
 the beta though installing it early this morning.
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
> suggestion would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively 
> as normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
> without closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed 
> it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones 
> infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Krister Ekström]

Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure. 

Skickat från min iPhone

> 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it 
> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed boot 
> file.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
>> beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados :
>>> 
>>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
>>> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
  
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
 suggestion would be 
 DON”T!
  
 I have and although a number of things are looking good 
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively 
 as normal,
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed 
 it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones 
 infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
  
  
  
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
  
 But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it 
automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed boot file.

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström  
> wrote:
> 
> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
> beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> Skickat från min iPhone
> 
> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados  >:
> 
>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
>> the beta though installing it early this morning.
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>  
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
>>> suggestion would be 
>>> DON”T!
>>>  
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
>>> normal,
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
>>> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
>>> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>  
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Krister Ekström]

I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I have a 
beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
/Krister


Skickat från min iPhone

> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with 
> the beta though installing it early this morning.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
>> would be 
>> DON”T!
>>  
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
>> normal,
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
>> closing the app and then reopening it.
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
>> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
>> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>  
>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, yes you have to enroll your device again for IOS 11, just like you did 
for 10.

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:36 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I need to go and sign up again I guess.
> 
> On 6/27/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> Simon,
>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
>> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
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>> 
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>>> suggestion would be
>>> DON”T!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>> 
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively
>>> as normal,
>>> 
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>> 
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed
>>> it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones
>>> infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi  Simon. How are you? I definitely agree with you. I instal it on my iPhoen 
7.  A lot of bugs. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God 
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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
> would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
> normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
> closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Helga Schreiber]

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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
> would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
> normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
> closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
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> e7, and so on. I look foward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[lenron brown]

I need to go and sign up again I guess.

On 6/27/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Simon,
> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and
> destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>
> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi List,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
>> suggestion would be
>> DON”T!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>
>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively
>> as normal,
>>
>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>
>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed
>> it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones
>> infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[E.T.]

Simon,
   That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out and 
destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.


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On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi List,



Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
suggestion would be
DON”T!



I have and although a number of things are looking good

I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively
as normal,

A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase
without closing the app and then reopening it.

Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed
it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones
infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.







So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.



But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
> would be 
> DON”T!
>  
> I have and although a number of things are looking good 
> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
> normal,
> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
> closing the app and then reopening it.
> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
> before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact 
> it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.
>  
>  
>  
> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>  
> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
> 
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