Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I did notice when installing VM Tools onto my IT created VM yesterday that 
there are options for installing just what is needed in this environment or 
installing everything or some bit in between. So perhaps just perhaps you just 
need to install a few more virtual drivers to copy from machine to machine 
especially if the underlying OS is different.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:34 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi CB,
> 
> Um, no from personal experience.
> 
> I've setup a number of machines using the same windows keys and I've had no 
> issues thus far.
> 
> All my licences are non volume so the multiple installations would be a 
> problem if that's the way it worked.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, 24 July 2017 8:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> I have been using Fusion for a long time and, as others have said, copying a 
> virtual machine from one computer to the other has no impact. 
> Now if I have that same virtual machine running concurrently on multiple 
> physical desktops, the Windows license manager might get upset that it sees 
> the same license number multiple times on the network. In my case my windows 
> instances were installed using site licenses so this was not a problem.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/20/17 9:31 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
>> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
>> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
>> of the software.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>>> time i tested.
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>>> it works fine.
>>>> 
>>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot 
>>>> easier to create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>>> 
>>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the 
>>>> hardware signature of the device it was first installed on. This is 
>>>> done to control licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another 
>>>> machine once and all the licensed software failed requiring new 
>>>> licensing. This meant a new license for the operating system as well 
>>>> as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office suite required 
>>>> relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I am 
>>>> aware of is through the import process. When first opening the 
>>>> virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you 
>>>> want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing 
>>>> is transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If 
>>>> you select copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run 
>>>> properly on the new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, 
>>>> the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't 
>>>> know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure 
>>>> don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular 
>>>> virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I 
>>>> simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>>>> parallel.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos &l

RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi CB,

 Um, no from personal experience.

 I've setup a number of machines using the same windows keys and I've had no 
issues thus far.

 All my licences are non volume so the multiple installations would be a 
problem if that's the way it worked.

-Original Message-
From: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, 24 July 2017 8:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

I have been using Fusion for a long time and, as others have said, copying a 
virtual machine from one computer to the other has no impact. 
Now if I have that same virtual machine running concurrently on multiple 
physical desktops, the Windows license manager might get upset that it sees the 
same license number multiple times on the network. In my case my windows 
instances were installed using site licenses so this was not a problem.

CB

On 7/20/17 9:31 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
>
> Sent from my IPhone
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>>
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>>
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot 
>>> easier to create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>>
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the 
>>> hardware signature of the device it was first installed on. This is 
>>> done to control licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another 
>>> machine once and all the licensed software failed requiring new 
>>> licensing. This meant a new license for the operating system as well 
>>> as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office suite required 
>>> relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I am 
>>> aware of is through the import process. When first opening the 
>>> virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you 
>>> want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing 
>>> is transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If 
>>> you select copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run 
>>> properly on the new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, 
>>> the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't 
>>> know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure 
>>> don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular 
>>> virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I 
>>> simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>>>
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>>> parallel.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
>>>>> sync it to both?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Nickus
>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados 
>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion d

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

I have been using Fusion for a long time and, as others have said, 
copying a virtual machine from one computer to the other has no impact. 
Now if I have that same virtual machine running concurrently on multiple 
physical desktops, the Windows license manager might get upset that it 
sees the same license number multiple times on the network. In my case 
my windows instances were installed using site licenses so this was not 
a problem.


CB

On 7/20/17 9:31 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking about 
VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but when I try 
to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all of the 
software.

Sent from my IPhone



On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> wrote:

is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time i 
tested.


On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
works fine.

I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the licensed 
software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license for the 
operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office 
suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I 
am aware of is through the import process. When first opening the virtual 
machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want to move or 
copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred over and will 
 only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will get just that, 
a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine without relicensing. 
Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And 
I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. 
In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine 
folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM 
off onto a storage disk

Sent from my IPhone



On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
parallel.


On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:

If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my documents 
folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run the virtual 
machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to both?

I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?

Thanks

Nickus

On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr

+1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no idea 
first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
parallelization software.


On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

Hi

The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.

If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then I'd 
recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as fusion,

Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you need 
to access windows.

The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,

With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open the 
windows vm when you need it just like an application.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Hi all
I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have a 
quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual machine 
rather than Bootcamp.

Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
easiest to use?

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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi Phil 
Could you please give me more details on how to remap a key to use as a jaws 
modifier? I'm busy installing Win10 using VMWare and I'm not quite sure how to 
do the key remap. Firstly must I do it inside Windows or MacOS? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jul 2017, at 20:32, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> F

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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Michael Marshall]

i do use Fusion but god there is a lag sometimes.

> On 21 Jul 2017, at 6:53 am, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> You cann use Virtual Box but your best bet is to go Fusion.
> I have VirtualBOx here but have not figured out how to add several hardware 
> to my linux machine.
> So it still complains about no space on harddisk.
> /A
>> 20 juli 2017 kl. 12:47 skrev Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>>> parallel.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
>>>>> sync it to both?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nickus 
>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>>>>>> of parallelization software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>>>>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>>>>>> friendly as fusion,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when 
>>>>>>> you need to access windows.
>>>

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You cann use Virtual Box but your best bet is to go Fusion.
I have VirtualBOx here but have not figured out how to add several hardware to 
my linux machine.
So it still complains about no space on harddisk.
/A
> 20 juli 2017 kl. 12:47 skrev Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com>:
> 
> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time 
> i tested.
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
>> works fine.
>> 
>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
>> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
>> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
>> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you 
>> will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
>> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
>> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine 
>> to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
>> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>> parallel.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
>>>> it to both?
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Nickus 
>>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>>>>> of parallelization software.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>>>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>>>>> friendly as fusion,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>>>>>> need to access windows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>>>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus 

RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[David & his pack of dogs]

I was talking to a windows user.  He brought up a good point.  There is a 
difference between something being accessible and usable.  Usable, they can use 
the functions on a computer that they want not necessarily every single feature 
on the computer.  Accessible, they want to be able to use or, in our case, 
access every feature. This was mentioned because I have no problem accessing an 
app.  Whereas another blind person does. It is an app that tells you gas prices 
and where the cheapest gas is, in the town you are in or going too.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: July 20, 2017 7:10 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

I’ve been able to copy and move images between machines since VM Fusion version 
3, we’re on 8.5.8 now I believe and it’s worked consistently on all the 
in-between versions.

This is the case for any virtualization software.  There can be issues though 
Phil is correct but if you do it carefully things should work fine.



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>>> parallel.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
>>>>> sync it to both?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nickus 
>

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

I’ve been able to copy and move images between machines since VM Fusion version 
3, we’re on 8.5.8 now I believe and it’s worked consistently on all the 
in-between versions.

This is the case for any virtualization software.  There can be issues though 
Phil is correct but if you do it carefully things should work fine.



> On Jul 20, 2017, at 9:31 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking 
> about VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but 
> when I try to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all 
> of the software.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last 
>> time i tested.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and 
>>> it works fine.
>>> 
>>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>>> parallel.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
>>>>> sync it to both?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nickus 
>>>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>>>>>> of parallelization software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only onc

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Phil Halton]

Simon, you're talking about virtual box. That maybe so but I was talking about 
VM fusion. Maybe things of changed and later versions of fusion but when I try 
to do that it blew out all the licensing including the OS and all of the 
software.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 20, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time 
> i tested.
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
>> works fine.
>> 
>> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
>> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
>> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
>> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
>> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you 
>> will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
>> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
>> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine 
>> to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
>> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>> parallel.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
>>>> it to both?
>>>> 
>>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Nickus 
>>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>>>>> of parallelization software.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>>>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>>>>> friendly as fusion,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>>>>>> need to access windows.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>>>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Michael Marshall]

is Fusion the only one that works with VO? i know Parallels did not last time i 
tested.

> On 20 Jul 2017, at 8:12 pm, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
> works fine.
> 
> I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
> create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will 
> get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud 
> storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine to 
> exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>> parallel.
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
>>> it to both?
>>> 
>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Nickus 
>>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>>> 
>>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
>>>> parallelization software.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi  
>>>>> 
>>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly 
>>>>> as fusion,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>>>>> need to access windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>>>>> 
>>>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>>>>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>>>>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>>>>>

RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Simon Fogarty]

But you can copy and paste the vm machine files on to another machine and it 
works fine.

 I've been doing this with virtual box at work, makes life a lot easier to 
create one machine and move it to multiple mac machines 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Wednesday, 19 July 2017 4:50 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the licensed 
software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license for the 
operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office 
suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I 
am aware of is through the import process. When first opening the virtual 
machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want to move or 
copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred over and will 
 only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will get just that, 
a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine without relicensing. 
Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And 
I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. 
In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine 
folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM 
off onto a storage disk

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
> parallel.
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos <bigboy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run 
>> the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to 
>> both?
>> 
>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Nickus 
>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wr
>>> 
>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
>>> parallelization software.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi  
>>>> 
>>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
>>>> I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
>>>> fusion,
>>>> 
>>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>>>> need to access windows.
>>>> 
>>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>>>> 
>>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all
>>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>>>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>>>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>>>> 
>>>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>>>> and easiest to use?
>>>> 
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

Make you sure you copy your image and when you boot the first time when 
prompted tell the fusion instance that you copied the file.  Should work fine.

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all,
> I googled around a bit and also can't find a definite answer. I guess the 
> only way then is to actually try it and see what happens. Regardless whether 
> it works or not i'll anyway continue to use VMware i'll give you feedback as 
> soon as I ride it out, I should be able to get around to it in the next 
> couple of days.
> 
> Nickus
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2017, at 18:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Phil, this is not correct.
>> 
>> You most definitely can copy virtual machines from one location to another.  
>> It’s the whole point of larger VM Ware servers.  In large production 
>> environments you can actually migrate the VM image with out even having to 
>> power down the device from one data center to another.  In the VMWare Fusion 
>> case though, yes, you can most definitely copy to a backup disk and store or 
>> copy from one machine to another.  Jaws may pick up on a hardware change and 
>> need relicensing but the Operating systems migrate nicely and most programs 
>> do as well.  You also may have to redefine adapters a bit but generally if 
>> you tell the VM you’ve copied it the network settings load up just fine.
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first 
>>> opening the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if 
>>> you want to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is 
>>> transferred over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select 
>>> copy you will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the 
>>> new machine without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in 
>>> the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time 
>>> Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to 
>>> clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a 
>>> storage disk
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
 parallel.
 
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will 
> sync it to both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
>> of parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>>> friendly as fusion,
>>> 
>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when 
>>> you need to access windows.
>>> 
>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a 
>>> time,
>>> 
>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because 
>>> I 

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Nickus de Vos]

Thanks all,
I googled around a bit and also can't find a definite answer. I guess the only 
way then is to actually try it and see what happens. Regardless whether it 
works or not i'll anyway continue to use VMware i'll give you feedback as soon 
as I ride it out, I should be able to get around to it in the next couple of 
days.

Nickus

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jul 2017, at 18:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Phil, this is not correct.
> 
> You most definitely can copy virtual machines from one location to another.  
> It’s the whole point of larger VM Ware servers.  In large production 
> environments you can actually migrate the VM image with out even having to 
> power down the device from one data center to another.  In the VMWare Fusion 
> case though, yes, you can most definitely copy to a backup disk and store or 
> copy from one machine to another.  Jaws may pick up on a hardware change and 
> need relicensing but the Operating systems migrate nicely and most programs 
> do as well.  You also may have to redefine adapters a bit but generally if 
> you tell the VM you’ve copied it the network settings load up just fine.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
>> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
>> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
>> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
>> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
>> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
>> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
>> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
>> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
>> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you 
>> will get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
>> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
>> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of 
>> iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine 
>> to exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
>> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>>> parallel.
>>> 
 On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
 
 If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
 documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
 run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
 it to both?
 
 I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
 
 Thanks
 
 Nickus 
> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
> 
> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user 
> of parallelization software.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  
>> 
>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>> 
>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
>> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO 
>> friendly as fusion,
>> 
>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>> need to access windows.
>> 
>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>> 
>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
>> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>> 
>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>> and easiest to use?
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 

Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

Phil, this is not correct.

You most definitely can copy virtual machines from one location to another.  
It’s the whole point of larger VM Ware servers.  In large production 
environments you can actually migrate the VM image with out even having to 
power down the device from one data center to another.  In the VMWare Fusion 
case though, yes, you can most definitely copy to a backup disk and store or 
copy from one machine to another.  Jaws may pick up on a hardware change and 
need relicensing but the Operating systems migrate nicely and most programs do 
as well.  You also may have to redefine adapters a bit but generally if you 
tell the VM you’ve copied it the network settings load up just fine.

Hope that helps


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
> signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
> licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the 
> licensed software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license 
> for the operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also 
> office suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another 
> machine that I am aware of is through the import process. When first opening 
> the virtual machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want 
> to move or copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred 
> over and will  only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will 
> get just that, a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine 
> without relicensing. Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the 
> neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud 
> storage account, but I sure don't. In fact I have set my Time Machine to 
> exclude that particular virtual machine folder so as not to clutter up my 
> disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM off onto a storage disk
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
>> parallel.
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to 
>>> run the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync 
>>> it to both?
>>> 
>>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Nickus 
 On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
 
 +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
 idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
 parallelization software.
 
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi  
> 
> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
> 
> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while 
> then I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly 
> as fusion,
> 
> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
> need to access windows.
> 
> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
> 
> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
> the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
> 
> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
> and easiest to use?
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Phil Halton]

Nickus, the short answer is no. The virtual machine is tied to the hardware 
signature of the device it was first installed on. This is done to control 
licenses etc. I tried running a VM on another machine once and all the licensed 
software failed requiring new licensing. This meant a new license for the 
operating system as well as for the Jaws synthesizer software. Also office 
suite required relicensing. The only way to run a VM on another machine that I 
am aware of is through the import process. When first opening the virtual 
machine into a new machine, virtual machine will ask if you want to move or 
copy the VM. If you select move, all the licensing is transferred over and will 
 only now work on that new machine. If you select copy you will get just that, 
a copy, but it will not run properly on the new machine without relicensing. 
Also, don't forget, the VM can  grow to in the neighborhood of 30 to 60 GB. And 
I don't know if you have that kind of iCloud storage account, but I sure don't. 
In fact I have set my Time Machine to exclude that particular virtual machine 
folder so as not to clutter up my disk.  Instead I simply manually copy the VM 
off onto a storage disk

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
> parallel.
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
>> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run 
>> the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to 
>> both?
>> 
>> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Nickus 
>>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>>> 
>>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
>>> parallelization software.
>>> 
 On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi  
 
 The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
 
 If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
 I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
 fusion,
 
 Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
 need to access windows.
 
 The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
 
 With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open 
 the windows vm when you need it just like an application.
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

You can share images and copy then but I don’t think you can run them in 
parallel.

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my 
> documents folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run 
> the virtual machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to 
> both?
> 
> I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Nickus 
>> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
>> 
>> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no 
>> idea first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
>> parallelization software.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi  
>>> 
>>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>>> 
>>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
>>> I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
>>> fusion,
>>> 
>>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>>> need to access windows.
>>> 
>>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>>> 
>>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open the 
>>> windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
>>> and easiest to use?
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Nickus de Vos]

If using VMware to create a virtual machine it would be stored in my documents 
folder which gets synced up to iCloud. Would I then be able to run the virtual 
machine on both my iMac and Macbook since iCloud will sync it to both?

I guess I would just have to install VMware on both machines?

Thanks

Nickus 
> On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:25, Scott Granados  wr
> 
> +1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no idea 
> first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
> parallelization software.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  
>> 
>> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
>> 
>> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
>> I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
>> fusion,
>> 
>> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you 
>> need to access windows.
>> 
>> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
>> 
>> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open the 
>> windows vm when you need it just like an application.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
>> Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2017 4:18 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>> 
>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
>> easiest to use?
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Scott Granados]

+1 on VM fusion.  I hear parallels has recently become accessible but no idea 
first hand.  VM Fusion does everything I need and I’m a heavy user of 
parallelization software.

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 2:33 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi  
> 
> The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.
> 
> If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then 
> I'd recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as 
> fusion,
> 
> Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you need 
> to access windows.
> 
> The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,
> 
> With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open the 
> windows vm when you need it just like an application.
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?
> 
> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have 
> a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual 
> machine rather than Bootcamp.
> 
> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
> easiest to use?
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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi  

The most accessible VM software is vm Fusion but there is a price for it.

 If you are only going to use the windows machine only once an a while then I'd 
recommend eiter Virtual box which is free but not as VO friendly as fusion,

Or install the windows OS into bootcamp and switch between them when you need 
to access windows.

 The only problem with bootcamp is that you can only use one os at a time,

 With fusion or virtual box you can run the mac os all the time and open the 
windows vm when you need it just like an application.
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On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
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Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Hi all
I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have a 
quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual machine 
rather than Bootcamp.

Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Mike Arrigo]

Fusion is the way to go, last I checked, virtual box and parallels were not 
accessible.
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have 
> a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual 
> machine rather than Bootcamp.
> 
> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
> easiest to use?
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Phil Halton]

Yes, you can set your speech synthesizer software to use, say, the insert key 
as it's modifier. Problem is, the Mac keyboard doesn't have an insert key on 
it. Only the full-size USB wired Apple keyboard has the insert key. That's 
really the best option, but if you don't want to add a keyboard, then you have 
to remap some key on your keyboard to act as an insert key through some third 
party software like carabiner or some other key mapping software. In my case, I 
used a windows remapping tool to set the grave accent key to act as the insert 
key, and then set Jaws to use the insert key as it's modifier.

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> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
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> Hi with VMware, what are my options for a accessibility key since CapsLock 
> doesn't work? Can I simply select another key to use as a NVDA modifier?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 16 Jul 2017, at 15:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I suggest you’re using Vmware since its totally accessible.
>> VirtualBox is usable but not easy to use.
>> /A
>>> 15 juli 2017 kl. 18:17 skrev Nickus de Vos :
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>>> 
>>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover 
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Nickus de Vos]

Hi with VMware, what are my options for a accessibility key since CapsLock 
doesn't work? Can I simply select another key to use as a NVDA modifier?

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> On 16 Jul 2017, at 15:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I suggest you’re using Vmware since its totally accessible.
> VirtualBox is usable but not easy to use.
> /A
>> 15 juli 2017 kl. 18:17 skrev Nickus de Vos :
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>> Hi all
>> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I 
>> have a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a 
>> virtual machine rather than Bootcamp.
>> 
>> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
>> easiest to use?
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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I suggest you’re using Vmware since its totally accessible.
VirtualBox is usable but not easy to use.
/A
> 15 juli 2017 kl. 18:17 skrev Nickus de Vos :
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> Hi all
> I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have 
> a quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual 
> machine rather than Bootcamp.
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> Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
> easiest to use?
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RE: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Matthew Dyer]

Fusion is the best to work with at the moment..  At least that’s what I use on 
my imac with 8 gb of rram with no problem here.
HTH.

Matthew



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Subject: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

Hi all
I want to put Windows 10 on my MBP for very occasional use and because I have a 
quad core i7 with 16 GB RAM, I think it will be fine if I run a virtual machine 
rather than Bootcamp.

Which virtual machine software is most accessible for use with Voiceover and 
easiest to use?

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Re: Which virtual machine software is accessible?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Most of the blind Macintosh community uses VMWare Fusion. There are two other 
readily available VM environments available both of which have some issues with 
accessibility of the settings/configuration screens. They are Virtual Box which 
is free and Parallel. 

The major issue once the VM is started and running, is that Macintosh caps lock 
key does not get transferred to the VM as anything but a toggle, so it can't be 
used as a screen reader key. You can find solutions for that in the archives, 
or just get a full keyboard.

Another option is to use bootcamp. Bootcamps advantages are that your Macintosh 
and Windows environments are essentially isolated with each using its own 
partition, the Windows environment has full access to the power of the system 
and there is no intermediary between you and the Windows environment.

If you don't mind the 20 second shutdown / boot process of changing from 
Windows to Macintosh and you have no need to have a the ability to cut from one 
system and paste in the other, then bootcamp is your best solution.
 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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