Re: Apple car, anyone?

[William Gallik]

It is already fact that insurance companies are anticipating this development 
and will require people operating their own vehicles manually to pay much 
higher premiums. As such, you can bet that autonomously controlled vehicles 
will become the rule and not the exception. The's, the cost of said vehicles 
will most assuredly drop too much more reasonable and affordable levels.

– Bill and a leader dog Holland 

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Obviously there would be redundant systems so if your computer failed a backup 
would take over.  I suspect a lot of this will be run externally from large 
computer farms anyway keeping the logic outside the car makes for easier 
maintenance.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass 
market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if it’s 
100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know the 
car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No flying 
glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of upsides.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :)
Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know 
> the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No flying 
> glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of upsides.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
>> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
>> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work 
>>> next to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a 
>>> window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that 
>>> looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the 
>>> demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a 
>>> screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have 
>>> technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen 
>>> instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  
>>> That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have 
>>> all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can use solid 
>>> metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out 
>>> the window so crashes should be safer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the 
 lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with 
 that for a minute!
 
 It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
some just won't be able to.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
> the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
> blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
> Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
> because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the 
> mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if 
> it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

If apple makes it, people won’t care.  They will buy it simply because it’s 
from Apple.

:)

If apple made steak knives people would buy them just because they had a big 
apple with a bite out on the handle.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :)
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Outside air is for the weak.:)  I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know 
>> the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows.  No 
>> flying glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass.  Lots of 
>> upsides.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
>>> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
>>> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
 windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
 they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
 spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work 
 next to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a 
 window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that 
 looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the 
 demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a 
 screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have 
 technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass 
 screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it 
 down.  That being said though the car would be much safer because it 
 doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can 
 use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural 
 stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
 
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the 
> lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with 
> that for a minute!
> 
> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit 
>> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it 
>> pulled up and picked him up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested 
>>> if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Not really, we spend that kind of money all the time.  We spend 3 or 4 times 
that on a house (depending on geographic area and the market).  We spend that 
on college, something as fundamental as transportation I’m sure they will.  If 
you have the job to support it or a family collectively with the income and a 
blind child don’t you think the parents would save up for long enough to set 
that child up with transportation when they get old enough?  It depends on what 
transportation is worth to you.  If you don’t need it, use public transit and 
it meets your needs you may not care, just like the sited in fact.  Lots of 
people in the center of cities don’t own cars, they don’t need them.  However, 
if you’re like the 90% of us who live outside the city center, off the public 
transit path and you need to get to work you’ll make it happen.  I’m for 
special financing for blind users and things to offset the expense for the 
poorest among us because I do believe removing the transportation barrier will 
do us all a huge amount  of good.  Also, the 6 figure price tag will almost 
certainly drop rapidly because of the sited interest.  It will be just another 
option on most cars shortly after.  Folks like Tesla and BMW will do the heavy 
lifting and the features will trickle down in to the Hondas and Fords of the 
world.  My car now will follow the lane markers, break and gas and control 
itself in traffic as it stands.  It’s not much more to go to make it work end 
to end and my car was only 56K not 100+.


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
> some just won't be able to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Bill, you have a few laws of physics that are in the way of the transporter.

First, the heisenberg uncertainty principle says that the more you try to 
determine the position of any given particle the more you impact it’s 
environment and can’t know it’s exact position.  Let’s say you solve that 
problem you then have an information problem.  The amount of information it 
would take to beam a person would take more bandwidth than has been deployed 
since the beginning of the universe.  (at least as far as we’re concerned some 
other species we don’t know of may have beat us to the punch but we have no way 
to prove that yet)  
Assuming you then solve the information problem and you solve the 
uncertainty problem you have the problem that no 2 exact copies can exist in 
the universe at any one time.  So the act of beaming would destroy the original 
and create a perfect copy in the new location.  Do to the principle of quantum 
super positioning you couldn’t have the original (you) and the copy (you 
copied) exist at the same time.  So the question you have to ask your self is 
even if I know where my particles are and even if I have enough bandwidth to 
transmit them would I want to because I wouldn’t be me, I’d be an exact copy of 
me indistinguishable from the original.  So yeah beaming could be a strange 
experience.
Note though IBM and some other companies have successfully beamed 
individual photons and basic components like that.  Having the ability to 
teleport photons would be good for quantum computers.  So there is work being 
done in this area, I’m just not sure you’ll want to jump in one to get baseball 
tickets.


> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” 
> transporters be available?  Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City 
> discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported 
> to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against 
> the Angels!
> 
> The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a 
> clone?
> 
> Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite 
> inviting!
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

So you raise an interesting point, insurance should be almost 0.  This is 
because humans aren’t driving.  I can imagine a time when autonomous drivers 
are heavily incentivized by insurance rates or even a point in the distant 
future when human driving is  uninsurable to the point where human driving is 
band on many if not all roads.  Machines are always better at humans at these 
type of jobs.  They never lose focus, they don’t get drunk, they don’t have 
road rage, they don’t rubber neck, they don’t text and drive or if they do they 
have true multitasking:), they never fall asleep, and on and on.  Redundancy 
covers the failure model and it’s eventually in the future destined to be 
almost entirely automated.  If you doubt it just look at aviation today.   
Comercial aviation is almost entirely automated.  The response to the Asiana 
Air crash in San Francisco do to the disabling of the automatic landing system 
and allowing the humans to fly was for our FAA to ban human directed flight 
from Asian carriers in to San Francisco.  Flights especially on the newest air 
craft don’t even require humans to taxi and they can literally self pilot from 
gate to gate.  This is standard now, the Airbus doesn’t even have flight 
controls, it’s all glass and computers and you fly with a mouse.  We could have 
entirely pilotless aircraft today if it weren’t for the Unions and political 
pressure on the FAA.  NASA has a sky highway project to accommodate small 
flying cars that are self driving that will snap in to different lanes in the 
air for high speed local travel.  So insurance won’t be a big deal in fact it 
might b a motivator.
I invision a lot of these cars as being electric or alternate fueled so 
we’d have to revisit the operational cost model.  Maintenance should be far 
less because if they are electric vehicles they are much simpler than gas 
powered vehicles to operate and maintain.  If you buy a tesla today in most 
cases they prepare it on site like in your parking lot at work or home driveway 
with mobile service teams.
As mentioned though, if we go to a shared model like an uber the costs 
change radically, especially with out the overhead of drivers.


> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
> would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
>> some just won't be able to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I 
>>> couldn’t cover.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

I pay these costs now it’s just I also have the cost of a driver so my expense 
/ burn rate is higher than a sited persons.

Would love to just pay the same costs as the sited.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Cameron Strife  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
> registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
> alignment, and the list goes on.
> 
> And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
> person. (And, that is how it should be!)
> 
> Cameron.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:
>> You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
>> interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
>> sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
>> person it's whoa is me.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
>>> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
 but some just won't be able to.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
> for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
> it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
> drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
> everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
> in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
> finance what I couldn’t cover.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
>>> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
  wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
 that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
 ton of autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
 had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
 I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
 haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
 about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
 was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
 would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
 thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
 had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
 vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
> interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
> driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

You have a great point.  Tesla already has a research division that wants to do 
exactly what you’re saying and Uber now is one of the largest investors in self 
driving cars.  You could buy your train ticket on the phone, summon a ride that 
could sync up with the train schedule to bring you the rest of the way and have 
the whole thing work on your phone.
Another application are super efficient high speed freeways.  You could 
reserve lanes or have entire roads that do not allow human drivers.  The 
computers could accelerate the cars to 100 even 200 + MPH, have them operate 
with in 6 inches of each other to optimize drag and auto drive you rapidly 
around your region.  Not only do they plan to have the cars talk to each other 
so such a thing could be coordinated but inputs are available for a centralized 
control operation so some combination could allow you to slip in to a slot on a 
freeway near your town and say drive from New York to DC in an hour and a half 
(probably not needed do to mass transit) but more likely might be Still Water 
Oklahoma to Amarillo in 2 hours where population density doesn’t support public 
transit.
Combine this with the Hyper Loop project and technologies like that 
making train like travel possible at over 750 MPH well it would be like Buck 
Rogers.  I never thought I would see things like this in my life time let alone 
the next decade.






> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 10 
> minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, wouldn't 
> that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be a shared 
> resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi to your door or 
> getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving car could eliminate 
> that incentive for people keeping (one or more) vehicles parked at their 
> house. Of course Apple would have to include the iClean service which makes 
> sure any mess left by the previous passenger was taken care of.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
 MySpace.com/musikonalda
 Facebook.com/lpnalda
 Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's 
interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a sighted 
person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted person it's 
whoa is me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
> would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
>> some just won't be able to.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I 
>>> couldn’t cover.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
>> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
>> autonomous driving features.
>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
>> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
>> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
>> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
>> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
>> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit 
>> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it 
>> pulled up and picked him up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested 
>>> if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Cameron Strife]

Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
alignment, and the list goes on.

And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
person. (And, that is how it should be!)

Cameron.



On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:
> You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
> interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
> sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
> person it's whoa is me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
>> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
>> about.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
>>> but some just won't be able to.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
 for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
 it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
 drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
 everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
 in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
 finance what I couldn’t cover.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
>> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.
>>
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
>>>  There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
>>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
>>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
>>> that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
>>> ton of autonomous driving features.
>>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
>>> had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
>>> I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
>>> haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
>>> about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
>>> was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
>>> would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
>>> thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
>>> had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
>>>
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
>>> vision.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
 interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
 driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front


 Cheers,
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Jessica Moss]

You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we 
would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will, but 
> some just won't be able to.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 
>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for 
>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it 
>> work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop 
>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone 
>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  
>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t 
>> cover.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
 
 With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
 Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
 
 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
 MySpace.com/musikonalda
 Facebook.com/lpnalda
 Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that 
> for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
> autonomous driving features.
> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
> been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
> to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
> key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled 
> up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Karen Lewellen]

..and how It has been for many for years.
I remember when I worked for xerox, I knew many individuals experiencing 
sight loss who owned cars.

I cannot imagine why the responsibility should be any difference.
If memory serves bMW will have some of their self driving cars on the 
roads in Canada later this year if not next.
its  a mode of transportation folks,  lots of people would rather be 
driven, electronically 
that has nothing to do with ones eye chart score.
I respect that some prefer the two sides of the same coin take on 
vision...but wonder how this serves anyone where understanding is 
concerned.  Let alone having  a large basis in reality.

 Karen


On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Cameron Strife wrote:


Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance,
registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires,
alignment, and the list goes on.

And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted
person. (And, that is how it should be!)

Cameron.



On 9/21/15, Michael  wrote:

You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's
interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a
sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted
person it's whoa is me.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss 
wrote:

You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car
we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think
about.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$.  some people undoubtedly will,
but some just won't be able to.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados 
wrote:

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s
100K the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans
for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make
it work.  Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will
drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for
everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come
in to play.  Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and
finance what I couldn’t cover.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one
from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados
 wrote:

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are
rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3
wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about
that for a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a
ton of autonomous driving features.
You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already
had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.
I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I
haven’t been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC
about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who
was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It
would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his
thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they
actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine
vision.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin 
wrote:

Hi all,

I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be
interested if you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test
driver!
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front


Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 
10 minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, 
wouldn't that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be 
a shared resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi 
to your door or getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving 
car could eliminate that incentive for people keeping (one or more) 
vehicles parked at their house. Of course Apple would have to include 
the iClean service which makes sure any mess left by the previous 
passenger was taken care of.


CB

On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it?  Even if it’s 100K 
the point is you’ll work it out.  Whether it’s interest free loans for the 
blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work.  
Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly 
because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass 
market and mass production economies of scale come in to play.  Even if it’s 
100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they 
basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) 
and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it did have 
were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall 
the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and 
to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, 
he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that 
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually 
are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.


On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Bill Gallik]

This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” 
transporters be available?  Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City 
discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported 
to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against 
the Angels!

The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a 
clone?

Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite inviting!

- Bill & Leader Dog Holland

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

Give it enough time and there will be some sort of 3-D virtual reality that 
will make it feel like the wind is blowing in your face at different levels at 
different speeds… Want to put it past him… I think this is an awesome thing!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and 
"what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed 
crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from 
observations and research, computers crash less than humans do.

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it 
afford it?

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Terje Strømberg]

 Ha ha ha ha ha ….. antivirus.

Take care

18. sep. 2015 kl. 19:58 skrev Michael :

I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and 
"what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed 
crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from 
observations and research, computers crash less than humans do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, there are limits, even if it's something you want.  As I told a colleague 
this morning, I'm afraid I'll have to sell the first-born son I never had. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it 
> afford it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice would 
you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack of 
windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a 
minute!

It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from 
> work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery 
> store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would 
> summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
>> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the windows 
would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now they will 
have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical spectrum.  
Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next to Dolby labs 
and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that looked outside 
and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the same shape / size 
as the real window and the demonstration was you had to guess which one was 
real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if 
they have technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass 
screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  
That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have all 
the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels 
and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out the window so 
crashes should be safer.



> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a 
> minute!
> 
> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
>> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
>> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
>> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
>> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>>   You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
>> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him 
>> up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they 
basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) 
and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it did have 
were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already 
had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall 
the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and 
to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, 
he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that 
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually 
are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could go 
to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping and 
fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd not 
have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing the 
computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:

This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied 
more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just 
chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually 
when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. 
Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important 
email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few 
questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be 
especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to 
my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely 
starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places 
and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might 
consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too 
general or two simple. Blessings to all of you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
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> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
>> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
>> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
>> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
>> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>>   You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
>> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him 
>> up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Denise Barajas]

This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied 
more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just 
chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually 
when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. 
Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important 
email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few 
questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be 
especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to 
my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely 
starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places 
and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might 
consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too 
general or two simple. Blessings to all of you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Pete Nalda]

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from 
> work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery 
> store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would 
> summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
>> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx_medium=push_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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