Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[Jonathan Cohn]

I found a way that appears to work that is simpler.
Use vo-command-shift-space. I had to think like a sighted user again to 
consider that one!

So, vo-D to move to the dock, then vo-shifft-control-space mouse down on 
current VO element.

It appears that one does not have to use the VO-shift-control-space a second 
time to release the mouse.
Jonathan

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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[Jürgen Fleger]

I found this bug in the Dock as well on my MacBook Air with M1 and posted a 
screen video to Apples Accessibility team. They confirmed it and want to solve 
it in the future.
Jürgen


Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 22.12.2020 um 12:03 schrieb Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> Tim Killburn  who used to be in this group has posted in the public beta 
> group about something like this.
> I am trying to find out if I have the same issue.
> It seems to  work quite well for me but there are some buttons where they 
> forgot to label them.
> Also there are issues using braille in the music app as you really don’t get 
> a good overview of the app.
> I will do more testing.
> /A
> 
>> 21 dec. 2020 kl. 21:40 skrev matthew dyer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not sure if this is related, but I am having a problem where voice over 
>> gets stuck in the music app. Fore example, there are three buttons near 
>> the top of the window close, minize and fullscreen.  The wayI get around 
>> it is to restart the app.  If I use the tab key, i can get to some of 
>> the other items.  VO however does not let me vo past the fullscreen 
>> button.  Anyone else have this problem?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/21/20 1:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Greetings All,
>>> 
>>> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
>>> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
>>> MacBookAir.
>>> 
>>> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
>>> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the 
>>> original VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , 
>>> “most” as the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
>>> the bug fixed.
>>> 
>>> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
>>> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
>>> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5
>>>  (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
>>> 4. Press VO+h+H
>>> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
>>> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
>>> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other 
>>> choices usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
>>> 
>>> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
>>> 
>>> Larry W. Honaker
>>> 
>>> kc8...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
>>> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Tim Killburn  who used to be in this group has posted in the public beta group 
about something like this.
I am trying to find out if I have the same issue.
It seems to  work quite well for me but there are some buttons where they 
forgot to label them.
Also there are issues using braille in the music app as you really don’t get a 
good overview of the app.
I will do more testing.
/A

> 21 dec. 2020 kl. 21:40 skrev matthew dyer :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not sure if this is related, but I am having a problem where voice over 
> gets stuck in the music app. Fore example, there are three buttons near 
> the top of the window close, minize and fullscreen.  The wayI get around 
> it is to restart the app.  If I use the tab key, i can get to some of 
> the other items.  VO however does not let me vo past the fullscreen 
> button.  Anyone else have this problem?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/20 1:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>> 
>> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
>> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
>> MacBookAir.
>> 
>> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
>> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the 
>> original VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , 
>> “most” as the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
>> 
>> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
>> the bug fixed.
>> 
>> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
>> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
>> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5
>>   (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
>> 4. Press VO+h+H
>> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
>> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
>> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other 
>> choices usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
>> 
>> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
>> 
>> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
>> 
>> Larry W. Honaker
>> 
>> kc8...@icloud.com
>> 
>> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
>> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
>> 
>> 
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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[Mike Arrigo]

I have actually tried this, interesting that it does work on the M1 macs, I'm 
using an Intel based mac mini, I think this generation was introduced in 2014 
and they were sold until 2018. I'll try the voiceover menu, I set up numpad 
star to do a right click of the mouse and that does not work. Sounds like it 
mainly happens when using the dock with the keyboard.

> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Greetings All,
> 
> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
> MacBookAir.
> 
> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the original 
> VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , “most” as 
> the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
> 
> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
> the bug fixed.
> 
> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5 
>  (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
> 4. Press VO+h+H
> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other choices 
> usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
> 
> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
> 
> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
> 
> Larry W. Honaker
> 
> kc8...@icloud.com
> 
> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. 
> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[Brad Snyder]

The next time you find yourself stuck in the window control button area, try 
using Fn + VO + left or right arrow to move VO to a different part of the 
window.

- Brad -


On Dec 21, 2020, at 14:40, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Hi,

Not sure if this is related, but I am having a problem where voice over 
gets stuck in the music app. Fore example, there are three buttons near 
the top of the window close, minize and fullscreen.  The wayI get around 
it is to restart the app.  If I use the tab key, i can get to some of 
the other items.  VO however does not let me vo past the fullscreen 
button.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks.

Matthew



On 12/21/20 1:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Greetings All,
> 
> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
> MacBookAir.
> 
> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the original 
> VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , “most” as 
> the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
> 
> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
> the bug fixed.
> 
> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5
>   (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
> 4. Press VO+h+H
> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other choices 
> usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
> 
> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
> 
> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
> 
> Larry W. Honaker
> 
> kc8...@icloud.com
> 
> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
> 
> 

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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Not sure if this is related, but I am having a problem where voice over 
gets stuck in the music app. Fore example, there are three buttons near 
the top of the window close, minize and fullscreen.  The wayI get around 
it is to restart the app.  If I use the tab key, i can get to some of 
the other items.  VO however does not let me vo past the fullscreen 
button.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks.

Matthew



On 12/21/20 1:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
> MacBookAir.
>
> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the original 
> VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , “most” as 
> the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
>
> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
> the bug fixed.
>
> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5
>(VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
> 4. Press VO+h+H
> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other choices 
> usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
>
> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
>
> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
>
> Larry W. Honaker
>
> kc8...@icloud.com
>
> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
>
>

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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

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Vo shift m works for me just fine.  And for those who use zoom on the Mac with 
the new M1’s, they released an update this morning.

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> On Dec 21, 2020, at 12:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Greetings All,
> 
> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
> MacBookAir.
> 
> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the original 
> VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , “most” as 
> the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
> 
> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
> the bug fixed.
> 
> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5 
>  (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
> 4. Press VO+h+H
> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other choices 
> usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
> 
> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
> 
> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
> 
> Larry W. Honaker
> 
> kc8...@icloud.com
> 
> Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. 
> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
> 
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