Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
Hi Johnathan, thanks for all this info. Great idea about remapping the Enter key on your Numpad. Unfortunately, I have an MBP, so no numpad here. But I may try creating other keyboard shortcuts for shifting focus. It'd be interesting to see if that helps. I don't mind upgrading to Mojave, I just don't have a lot of time right now, so was thinking to do it over the holidays. It's interesting you bring up groups mode. I tried it shortly after getting my Mac. I found it kind of disorienting and also didn't like all the interacting you had to do, so stopped using it, and probably haven't tried it in about six or seven years. Might give it another go on social networking sites, though. In addition to Facebook, the company I work for uses a networking platform called Mighty Networks, and also a database program called Airtable. When I'm on those sites, it seems like I'm constantly getting Safari busy messages. Cheers, Donna > On Nov 13, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > AH yes, I highly recommend that you turn off cursor tracking while browsing > Facebook with Safari, and it probably would not be a bad idea when viewing > twitter either. In Facebook list of people that have liked a post, are > expanded when focus moves to them, videos start playing and I believe the > list of comments also is somewhat automatically expanded / contracted as > focus moves. For this matter, I find best results with Facebook on Macintosh > is to use the J/K to move next / previous through posts but this only really > reads the posts when you have changed Web navigation from Dom to Group. > I remapped the enter key on my numpad so that enter moves keyboard focus to > VO cursor, and shift enter moves VO cursor to keyboard focus. There are a few > places in the Macintosh environment where if cursor tracking is turned off, > then VO click actions do not behave the way they should. I suppose if I was a > good blind citizen I would report all of these to Apple. Certainly one other > advantage of turning off cursor tracking is that you don’t get as many > instances of VoiceOver repeating items as both Keyboard focus and VO focus > move into new windows. > > When VoiceOver was first shipped, they really pushed the group navigation > mode on the web, but that is no longer the case. Sometimes it is nice as with > Facebook there are usually descriptions and/or label names for the articles > regions so that speech is limited to the appropriate level you don’t see the > reactions or portions of comments until you interact with the posting > article. There are some circumstances where group nav on the web causes links > in the middle of a paragraph to be read either before or after the rest of > the content in the paragraph, but I don’t think this happens with Facebook > and group nav. > > Of course all the above experience is associated with High Sierra or earlier > versions of MacOS. > > Take care! > > Jonathan Cohn > >> On Nov 13, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >> Um, yes and no. >> >> A lot depends on what is being used on websites. Some sites I go to cause >> massive slowdowns, constant busy errors and sometimes even full blown >> crashes of Safari (it has a lot to do with javascript and 3rd party >> redirects). >> >> Also, some of the social media sites (namely Facebook and twitter) still >> create windows of high busy periods. >> >> In some ways, it is less problematic than in high Sierra). I would recommend >> the use of both Chrome and Firefox as alternatives should Safari have issues >> that are not locally resolvable.. >> >> -Eric >> >> >>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of >>> Safari Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in >>> Mojave? Appreciate any feedback. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at
Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
AH yes, I highly recommend that you turn off cursor tracking while browsing Facebook with Safari, and it probably would not be a bad idea when viewing twitter either. In Facebook list of people that have liked a post, are expanded when focus moves to them, videos start playing and I believe the list of comments also is somewhat automatically expanded / contracted as focus moves. For this matter, I find best results with Facebook on Macintosh is to use the J/K to move next / previous through posts but this only really reads the posts when you have changed Web navigation from Dom to Group. I remapped the enter key on my numpad so that enter moves keyboard focus to VO cursor, and shift enter moves VO cursor to keyboard focus. There are a few places in the Macintosh environment where if cursor tracking is turned off, then VO click actions do not behave the way they should. I suppose if I was a good blind citizen I would report all of these to Apple. Certainly one other advantage of turning off cursor tracking is that you don’t get as many instances of VoiceOver repeating items as both Keyboard focus and VO focus move into new windows. When VoiceOver was first shipped, they really pushed the group navigation mode on the web, but that is no longer the case. Sometimes it is nice as with Facebook there are usually descriptions and/or label names for the articles regions so that speech is limited to the appropriate level you don’t see the reactions or portions of comments until you interact with the posting article. There are some circumstances where group nav on the web causes links in the middle of a paragraph to be read either before or after the rest of the content in the paragraph, but I don’t think this happens with Facebook and group nav. Of course all the above experience is associated with High Sierra or earlier versions of MacOS. Take care! Jonathan Cohn > On Nov 13, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > > Um, yes and no. > > A lot depends on what is being used on websites. Some sites I go to cause > massive slowdowns, constant busy errors and sometimes even full blown crashes > of Safari (it has a lot to do with javascript and 3rd party redirects). > > Also, some of the social media sites (namely Facebook and twitter) still > create windows of high busy periods. > > In some ways, it is less problematic than in high Sierra). I would recommend > the use of both Chrome and Firefox as alternatives should Safari have issues > that are not locally resolvable.. > > -Eric > > >> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of >> Safari Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in >> Mojave? Appreciate any feedback. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit
Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
Interesting. I've been thinking about downloading Chrome, but just haven't gotten around to it. I'll keep all this in mind. thanks, Erik. Donna > On Nov 13, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > > Um, yes and no. > > A lot depends on what is being used on websites. Some sites I go to cause > massive slowdowns, constant busy errors and sometimes even full blown crashes > of Safari (it has a lot to do with javascript and 3rd party redirects). > > Also, some of the social media sites (namely Facebook and twitter) still > create windows of high busy periods. > > In some ways, it is less problematic than in high Sierra). I would recommend > the use of both Chrome and Firefox as alternatives should Safari have issues > that are not locally resolvable.. > > -Eric > > >> On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of >> Safari Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in >> Mojave? Appreciate any feedback. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
Um, yes and no. A lot depends on what is being used on websites. Some sites I go to cause massive slowdowns, constant busy errors and sometimes even full blown crashes of Safari (it has a lot to do with javascript and 3rd party redirects). Also, some of the social media sites (namely Facebook and twitter) still create windows of high busy periods. In some ways, it is less problematic than in high Sierra). I would recommend the use of both Chrome and Firefox as alternatives should Safari have issues that are not locally resolvable.. -Eric > On Nov 13, 2018, at 8:13 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of Safari > Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in Mojave? > Appreciate any feedback. > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
Thanks. That's good to hear. Hopefully I'll see the same improvement. Cheers, Donna > On Nov 13, 2018, at 10:10 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > It definitely decreased for me after moving to Mojave. > > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of >> Safari Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in >> Mojave? Appreciate any feedback. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Is Safari less busy in Mojave?
It definitely decreased for me after moving to Mojave. 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: > Hi all, > > One of the annoying things about High Sierra has been the frequency of Safari > Busy messages I get. Just wondering if this decreases at all in Mojave? > Appreciate any feedback. > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
