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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-24 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

Still no accessibility ratings or reviews in the App Store, of course. Privacy, 
sure. But not accessibility.

We can hope that these changes make more apps accessible, but I can’t help 
thinking that the other guys are starting to make Apple’s commitment to 
accessibility look just a little bit tawdry of late.

There are no accessibility changes mentioned for the Mac.

I will, of course, be hopping onto the train as soon as I can. As I spend most 
of my time in either macOS or Linux, I am hoping that I could survive the 
“Silicon” transition. On the other feeler, it seems inevitable that Windows 
users, of which let’s be honest many of us are actually professional working 
folk with real work to do, are going to get bitten.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Mary,
The VO command shift U will read you the URL of a link on MacOS even in Mail 
applications. I find this very useful!
Jonathan


> On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> OK, Devon, I’m sorry. I just went to your link. And I see that it is an Apple 
> site. That wasn’t clear to me from your first posting, which when I read it, 
> made me think it was coming from somebody on Twitter. Anyway, thanks for the 
> post.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> See this page: iOS features 
>> 
>> 
>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>> another secret.” Or something.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
>>> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
>>> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
>>> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
>>> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
>>> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
>>> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
>>> problem.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Ronald van Rhijn

Great news, but I wonder if the functionality of the recognition matches that 
of the VOCR app?


> Op 23 jun. 2020, om 04:20 heeft 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
> linked to:
> 
> Accessibility
> 
> VoiceOver Recognition
> On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to 
> add VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have 
> accessibility support built in.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
> VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within 
> apps and on the web.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
> VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
> VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
> apps, making them more accessible.
> Headphone Accommodations
> This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
> certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
> calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 
>  Headphone 
> Accommodations also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet 
> voices more audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing 
> needs.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> Https://devinprater.github.io 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
>> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is 
>> this from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful 
>> thinking from someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> See this page: iOS features 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>>> another secret.” Or something.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com 
>>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
 In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
 nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
 That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
 don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
 tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
 person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
 regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
 Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
 problem.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten

OK, Devon, I’m sorry. I just went to your link. And I see that it is an Apple 
site. That wasn’t clear to me from your first posting, which when I read it, 
made me think it was coming from somebody on Twitter. Anyway, thanks for the 
post.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten

Hi Devon,
So what is the source of this stuff, I mean where did this guy get it? Was it 
from the presentation? That’s all I wanted to know, since it’s not an Apple 
site. Thanks.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 7:20 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
> linked to:
> 
> Accessibility
> 
> VoiceOver Recognition
> On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to 
> add VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have 
> accessibility support built in.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
> VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within 
> apps and on the web.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
> VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
> VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
> apps, making them more accessible.
> Headphone Accommodations
> This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
> certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
> calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 Headphone Accommodations 
> also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more 
> audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.
> 
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
>> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is 
>> this from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful 
>> thinking from someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> See this page: iOS features
>>> 
>>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>>> another secret.” Or something.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com
>>> Https://devinprater.github.io
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
 nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
 That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
 don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
 tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
 person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
 regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
 Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
 problem.
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries

Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
linked to:

Accessibility

VoiceOver Recognition
On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have accessibility 
support built in.
VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.
VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.
Headphone Accommodations
This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 
 Headphone 
Accommodations also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet 
voices more audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing 
needs.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
Https://devinprater.github.io

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is this 
> from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful thinking from 
> someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> See this page: iOS features 
>> 
>> 
>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>> another secret.” Or something.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
>>> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
>>> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
>>> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
>>> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
>>> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
>>> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
>>> problem.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten

Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth very 
much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is this from 
actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful thinking from 
someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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