Re: Open Office 3.1 released
But does VO actually report what's selected or if something gets unselected? If so, everything is fine and i might even have a look at the new openoffice to see what i think about it. /Krister 11 maj 2009 kl. 20.26 skrev Chris Blouch: Hmm. So I created a new Writer document and typed four sets of sentences (paragraphs) with a blank line inbetween. I then cursored up and left until I was at the beginning of the first sentence. I then did a shift down arrow a bunch of times and was able to select (and copy) all four paragraphs. The use of shift and arrows is not really a VO thing. It's a pretty common idiom for a lot of applications and also works for Windows text editors. Is this not what you were looking for? CB John Panarese wrote: As far as I can see, the word processor still handles text in the same way. I don't know why this is the case, but you cannot select multiple paragraphs, unless I am missing something. Take Care John Panarese On May 9, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: One question that became a showstopper for me with openoffice is that i can't select more than a couple of lines and when you come to a new paragraph, you unselect the previously selected piece of text. That is with VO commands, no other command works for me. That plus the fact that you can't continously read a whole document made me stop using Openoffice alltogether. If anyone has found a way to get around these problems, please let me know how by giving step-by-step instructions. /Krister 8 maj 2009 kl. 21.27 skrev John Panarese: I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
I think the problem occurs when one opens existing documents that were not created in Open Office. At least, this has been my experience. Take Care John Panarese On May 11, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Hmm. So I created a new Writer document and typed four sets of sentences (paragraphs) with a blank line inbetween. I then cursored up and left until I was at the beginning of the first sentence. I then did a shift down arrow a bunch of times and was able to select (and copy) all four paragraphs. The use of shift and arrows is not really a VO thing. It's a pretty common idiom for a lot of applications and also works for Windows text editors. Is this not what you were looking for? CB John Panarese wrote: As far as I can see, the word processor still handles text in the same way. I don't know why this is the case, but you cannot select multiple paragraphs, unless I am missing something. Take Care John Panarese On May 9, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: One question that became a showstopper for me with openoffice is that i can't select more than a couple of lines and when you come to a new paragraph, you unselect the previously selected piece of text. That is with VO commands, no other command works for me. That plus the fact that you can't continously read a whole document made me stop using Openoffice alltogether. If anyone has found a way to get around these problems, please let me know how by giving step-by-step instructions. /Krister 8 maj 2009 kl. 21.27 skrev John Panarese: I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
Hmm, I tried the same shift+arrow selection on some random Word docs I had laying around and with a few public ones and couldn't reproduce the issue. Here's one public one I played with: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/Forms/EvacuationGuide.doc Are you able to select multiple paragraphs in this document? CB John Panarese wrote: I think the problem occurs when one opens existing documents that were not created in Open Office. At least, this has been my experience. Take Care John Panarese On May 11, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Hmm. So I created a new Writer document and typed four sets of sentences (paragraphs) with a blank line inbetween. I then cursored up and left until I was at the beginning of the first sentence. I then did a shift down arrow a bunch of times and was able to select (and copy) all four paragraphs. The use of shift and arrows is not really a VO thing. It's a pretty common idiom for a lot of applications and also works for Windows text editors. Is this not what you were looking for? CB John Panarese wrote: As far as I can see, the word processor still handles text in the same way. I don't know why this is the case, but you cannot select multiple paragraphs, unless I am missing something. Take Care John Panarese On May 9, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: One question that became a showstopper for me with openoffice is that i can't select more than a couple of lines and when you come to a new paragraph, you unselect the previously selected piece of text. That is with VO commands, no other command works for me. That plus the fact that you can't continously read a whole document made me stop using Openoffice alltogether. If anyone has found a way to get around these problems, please let me know how by giving step-by-step instructions. /Krister 8 maj 2009 kl. 21.27 skrev John Panarese: I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
At least it sounds like things got better, even if it wasn't noted in any documentation or buglist I could find :) CB John Panarese wrote: Hi Chris, OK, perhaps they have changed things in this version? I just did some testing myself with random documents and the only time I'm seeing a problem is if tables are included in the document, such as the invoice template I use from MS Word. With everything else, it now seems as if you can highlight large chunks of text. Take Care John Panarese On May 11, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Hmm, I tried the same shift+arrow selection on some random Word docs I had laying around and with a few public ones and couldn't reproduce the issue. Here's one public one I played with: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/Forms/EvacuationGuide.doc Are you able to select multiple paragraphs in this document? CB John Panarese wrote: I think the problem occurs when one opens existing documents that were not created in Open Office. At least, this has been my experience. Take Care John Panarese On May 11, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Hmm. So I created a new Writer document and typed four sets of sentences (paragraphs) with a blank line inbetween. I then cursored up and left until I was at the beginning of the first sentence. I then did a shift down arrow a bunch of times and was able to select (and copy) all four paragraphs. The use of shift and arrows is not really a VO thing. It's a pretty common idiom for a lot of applications and also works for Windows text editors. Is this not what you were looking for? CB John Panarese wrote: As far as I can see, the word processor still handles text in the same way. I don't know why this is the case, but you cannot select multiple paragraphs, unless I am missing something. Take Care John Panarese On May 9, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: One question that became a showstopper for me with openoffice is that i can't select more than a couple of lines and when you come to a new paragraph, you unselect the previously selected piece of text. That is with VO commands, no other command works for me. That plus the fact that you can't continously read a whole document made me stop using Openoffice alltogether. If anyone has found a way to get around these problems, please let me know how by giving step-by-step instructions. /Krister 8 maj 2009 kl. 21.27 skrev John Panarese: I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
One question that became a showstopper for me with openoffice is that i can't select more than a couple of lines and when you come to a new paragraph, you unselect the previously selected piece of text. That is with VO commands, no other command works for me. That plus the fact that you can't continously read a whole document made me stop using Openoffice alltogether. If anyone has found a way to get around these problems, please let me know how by giving step-by-step instructions. /Krister 8 maj 2009 kl. 21.27 skrev John Panarese: I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
I'm not Chris, but Open Office is pretty accessible. The world processor is a bit different to use than others, but they have come a long way. I'm not sure what the problem with spreadsheets is. I am seeing the cells being read. With tables in word processor documents, however, I am not finding any success. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, t...@optonline.net Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On May 8, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office 3.1 released
I've not used Writer but the basic stuff actually works reasonably well. I only tried out the table stuff because that's where I got stuck in the past. I can select ranges of text, check spelling and other stuff ok. Since it's free you can download a copy and give it a whirl. CB Eliza Cooper wrote: Chris, How's the accessibility of the word processor in Open Office? Is it any better than Writer? Thanks, Eliza On May 8, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: To answer my own question, I didn't notice much difference. Navigation of a table I created in writer still didn't announce what cell I was in as I tabbed around. CB Chris Blouch wrote: Anyone try it yet? Any improvements with VO support? Mine is downloading right now. I couldn't find any mentions one way or the other in their included docs or on the web. CB --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
