Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Phil Halton]

It’s no longer a problem for me anyway Christine, I found the way to block his 
email address from the list inbox. I’ll just have to forgo the benefit of 
Rameys communications.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 11, 2020, at 6:42 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to make it so that each letter isn't individually pronounced? 
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
> On May 7, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> On iOS, and any and all mention of Remy‘s name, I hear it’s spoken first in 
> English, and then in a second voice it is spoken in Arabic. So I’m getting an 
> echo. And that’s a little annoying. It’s got nothing to do with race religion 
> color creed or anything like that it’s just I’m getting a damn echo and it’s 
> only with his name and that’s why I’m asking. Comprende?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2020, at 5:08 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m sorry I can’t see what the issue is!?
>>  
>> I’ve seen the Arabic text and not worried about it,
>> I hear  his name and it all just sounds like what I hear with everyone elses 
>> emails,
>>  
>> I personally think people need to relax a bit more and not be so judgemental 
>> about things that are really not getting annoyed about.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
>> Behalf Of Phil Halton
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
>>  
>> My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. 
>> I’m not some kind of evil racist.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need 
>> to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span 
>> tag for this.
>> BonJour  
>> I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it 
>> was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a 
>> French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I 
>> believe it will still use my  English synthesizer.
>> I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
>> Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual 
>> text on Mac and have VO recognize it.
>>  
>> BonJour
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>>  
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>>  
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>>  
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>> those characters don’t get read out.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>  
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>>  
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>> language was.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>  
>> This option can be

Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Is there a way to make it so that each letter isn't individually pronounced? 

Kristeen


On May 7, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

On iOS, and any and all mention of Remy‘s name, I hear it’s spoken first in 
English, and then in a second voice it is spoken in Arabic. So I’m getting an 
echo. And that’s a little annoying. It’s got nothing to do with race religion 
color creed or anything like that it’s just I’m getting a damn echo and it’s 
only with his name and that’s why I’m asking. Comprende?

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 7, 2020, at 5:08 AM, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m sorry I can’t see what the issue is!?
>  
> I’ve seen the Arabic text and not worried about it,
> I hear  his name and it all just sounds like what I hear with everyone elses 
> emails,
>  
> I personally think people need to relax a bit more and not be so judgemental 
> about things that are really not getting annoyed about.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
>  
> My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m 
> not some kind of evil racist.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need 
> to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span 
> tag for this.
> BonJour  
> I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it 
> was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a 
> French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I 
> believe it will still use my  English synthesizer.
> I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
> Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual 
> text on Mac and have VO recognize it.
>  
> BonJour
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>  
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
>  
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>  
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices 
> like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
> happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
> voice you come upon when you do this.
>  
> Pete
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>  
> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>  
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  <mailt

Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Phil Halton]

On iOS, and any and all mention of Remy‘s name, I hear it’s spoken first in 
English, and then in a second voice it is spoken in Arabic. So I’m getting an 
echo. And that’s a little annoying. It’s got nothing to do with race religion 
color creed or anything like that it’s just I’m getting a damn echo and it’s 
only with his name and that’s why I’m asking. Comprende?

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 7, 2020, at 5:08 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m sorry I can’t see what the issue is!?
>  
> I’ve seen the Arabic text and not worried about it,
> I hear  his name and it all just sounds like what I hear with everyone elses 
> emails,
>  
> I personally think people need to relax a bit more and not be so judgemental 
> about things that are really not getting annoyed about.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy
>  
> My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m 
> not some kind of evil racist.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need 
> to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span 
> tag for this.
> BonJour  
> I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it 
> was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a 
> French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I 
> believe it will still use my  English synthesizer.
> I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
> Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual 
> text on Mac and have VO recognize it.
>  
> BonJour
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>  
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
>  
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>  
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>  
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices 
> like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
> happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
> voice you come upon when you do this.
>  
> Pete
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>  
> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>  
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>  
> Pete,
> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>  
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>  
>  
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.e

RE: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’m sorry I can’t see what the issue is!?

I’ve seen the Arabic text and not worried about it,
I hear  his name and it all just sounds like what I hear with everyone elses 
emails,

I personally think people need to relax a bit more and not be so judgemental 
about things that are really not getting annoyed about.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m 
not some kind of evil racist.
Sent from my IPhone



On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need to 
indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span tag 
for this.
BonJour 
I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it was 
a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a French 
voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I believe it 
will still use my  English synthesizer.
I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual text 
on Mac and have VO recognize it.

BonJour
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.

I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at all.

Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?

A bientot.

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.


On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
those characters don’t get read out.


On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up will 
take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices like 
Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
voice you come upon when you do this.

Pete


On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
language was.


On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
Automatically Select Based on Language.

HTH

- Brad -



On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson 
mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.


Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician


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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Phil Halton]

My only gripe is that I have to hear his name twice and it takes up time. I’m 
not some kind of evil racist.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 6, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need 
> to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span 
> tag for this.
> BonJour  
> I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it 
> was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a 
> French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I 
> believe it will still use my  English synthesizer.
> I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
> Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual 
> text on Mac and have VO recognize it.
> 
> BonJour
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>> 
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>> 
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
 those characters don’t get read out.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>> the language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for chiming in.  Yes, you’re totally correct for proper use in HTML, but 
for Ramy’s Arabic name pronounciation, he does not have the html coded into his 
name.  In iOS and iPadOS, it simply pronounces the Arabic spelling with an 
Arabic voice and accent.  Supposedly, this is now what should happen in MacOS 
as well.  I did some testing after getting a good hint from your contribution 
and did some testing with the below html:

This is in English
BonJour.  Je m'apple Tim.  Comment ca va aujourd'hui?
This will be in French
BonJour.  Je m'apple Tim.  Comment ca va 
aujourd'hui?

The first paragraph with the French phrase is spoken by VO as English 
pronunciation of the French words.  The second paragraph with the language 
specification is spoken in French, unless you interact with the item.  Once 
interacted with, it is just spoken as English pronunciation of French once 
again.

It may be much more complicated than I originally posted, but it seems to me 
that the MacOS is not currently handling this as well as iOS and iPadOS, even 
though I believe it is supposed to.

Also, Ramy, if you prefer having the Arabic spelling included as part of your 
name, then all the power to you.  There is no way that you should feel like you 
need to suppress your identity or culture.  I hope that all this conversation 
back and forth has not offended you at all.  My hope is to make the Mac do what 
it is supposed to and, therefore, pronounce your Arabic spelling properly.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 6, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need 
> to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span 
> tag for this.
> BonJour  
> I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it 
> was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a 
> French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I 
> believe it will still use my  English synthesizer.
> I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
> Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual 
> text on Mac and have VO recognize it.
> 
> BonJour
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>> 
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>> 
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
 those characters don’t get read out.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>> the language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not 

Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Jonathan Cohn]

Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need to 
indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span tag 
for this.
BonJour  
I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it was 
a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a French 
voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I believe it 
will still use my  English synthesizer.
I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft 
Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual text 
on Mac and have VO recognize it.

BonJour
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
> 
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
> 
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
> 
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>>> those characters don’t get read out.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >>> > wrote:
 
 If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
 will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
 voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
 that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
 to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
 
 Pete
 
> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
> the language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Just am sending this message Thanking you Pete,

> On May 5, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
> little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
> still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
> appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did 
> not change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide 
> preferences relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have 
> Victoria as my default voice.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>> 
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>> 
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
 those characters don’t get read out.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>> the language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Thanks so much my Friend, And Frankly, i was happy of Pete Question, because it 
leads him to A problem, but now, the thing is become personal to me?
THis is my Name  People, THis is my Language.
Thanks


> On May 6, 2020, at 3:47 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, can’t help you with that as I don’t find it a bother at all. In fact I 
> think it was rather thoughtful of Ramy to translate his name into English for 
> our benefit. 
> 
>> On 6/05/2020, at 11:54, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
>> Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
>> VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did 
>> no good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X 
>> anymore.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
>>> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Ramy,
 Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, 
 at least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have 
 known that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have 
 read it. So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice 
 didn’t change with Tims French either.
 The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
 fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
 sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
 making any gender references. 
 I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
 Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
 female Rocks as well.
 Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
 
> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if 
> you use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will 
> stop, or BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be 
> able to read the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, 
>> and I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to 
>> say. Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string 
>> of what it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read 
>> through those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having 
>> these characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate 
>> them. However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this 
>> behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. 
>> My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means 
>> it’s not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Anyway, I Removed the Arabic Catactors, from my name,


> On May 5, 2020, at 9:48 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>>> language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
 Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
 Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Pete,
 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

VO+Shift+Cmd+errows will move you between them, CHoose VOices with RIght and 
left arrows, then, choose automaticaly select by language, do not use alex, and 
it will not read it.


> On May 5, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Pete,
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RE: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Simon A Fogarty]

Byte me!

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

Hi Petrus,

Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
breathe.  Good luck with that :).

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So 
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t change 
with Tims French either.
The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes I 
don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any gender 
references.
I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female Rocks 
as well.
Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.


On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com<mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:

Hi Pete and all:
Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you use 
Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or BTW if 
you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read the 
Arabic Caractors,
Hope it did not disturb you and others



On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I so 
strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. Whenever I 
see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it calls Arabic 
characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those messages. I am sure 
there is very good reason for having these characters there, and by no means 
would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was wondering if others on the 
list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore 
these characters. My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess 
that means it’s not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?

Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
characters if needed.

Pete De Vasto

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RE: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Simon A Fogarty]

LOL,

How did you know I was thinking of something!

I did work out very quickly you were male,

But I still think being in Auckland is your worst issue!

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Subject: Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So 
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t change 
with Tims French either.
The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes I 
don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any gender 
references.
I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female Rocks 
as well.
Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.


On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com<mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>⁩> wrote:

Hi Pete and all:
Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you use 
Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or BTW if 
you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read the 
Arabic Caractors,
Hope it did not disturb you and others



On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all,

I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I so 
strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. Whenever I 
see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it calls Arabic 
characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those messages. I am sure 
there is very good reason for having these characters there, and by no means 
would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was wondering if others on the 
list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore 
these characters. My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess 
that means it’s not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?

Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
characters if needed.

Pete De Vasto

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[Petrus Tuerlings]

Sorry, can’t help you with that as I don’t find it a bother at all. In fact I 
think it was rather thoughtful of Ramy to translate his name into English for 
our benefit. 

> On 6/05/2020, at 11:54, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
> Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
> VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no 
> good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X anymore.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>> 
>> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
>> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ramy,
>>> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, 
>>> at least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have 
>>> known that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have 
>>> read it. So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice 
>>> didn’t change with Tims French either.
>>> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
>>> fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
>>> sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
>>> making any gender references. 
>>> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
>>> Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
>>> female Rocks as well.
>>> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
>>> 
 On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
 <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
 
 Hi Pete and all:
 Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if 
 you use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will 
 stop, or BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be 
 able to read the Arabic Caractors,
 Hope it did not disturb you and others
 
 
> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and 
> I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
> it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through 
> those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these 
> characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. 
> However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this 
> behavior, and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. 
> My VO punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s 
> not considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Phil Halton]

OK, now how about iOS? I’ve been hearing Remi’s name read out in English and 
Arabic for a month and I must say it is bothering me. I’ve tried going it to 
VoiceOver settings and turning off automatic language detection and it did no 
good. How can this be done on iOS? That’s all I use I never use OS X anymore.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 5, 2020, at 4:57 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
> breathe.  Good luck with that :).
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ramy,
>> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
>> least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
>> that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. 
>> So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t 
>> change with Tims French either.
>> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the 
>> fact that it is a multi national list with many different countries and 
>> sometimes I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid 
>> making any gender references. 
>> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though 
>> Petrus is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be 
>> female Rocks as well.
>> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
>> 
>>> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Pete and all:
>>> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
>>> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
>>> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to 
>>> read the Arabic Caractors,
>>> Hope it did not disturb you and others
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and 
 I so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
 Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
 it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through 
 those messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these 
 characters there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. 
 However, I was wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, 
 and if there’s a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO 
 punctuation preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not 
 considering these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
 
 Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
 characters if needed.
 
 Pete De Vasto
 
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Hi Petrus,

Asking Simon not to make a smart comment is like asking yourself not to 
breathe.  Good luck with that :).

Later…


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> On May 5, 2020, at 2:54 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ramy,
> Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
> least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
> that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. 
> So I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t 
> change with Tims French either.
> The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
> that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes 
> I don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any 
> gender references. 
> I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
> is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female 
> Rocks as well.
> Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.
> 
>> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pete and all:
>> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
>> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
>> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
>> the Arabic Caractors,
>> Hope it did not disturb you and others
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what 
>>> it calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s 
>>> a way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation 
>>> preference is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering 
>>> these to be punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>>> characters if needed.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi Ramy,
Cool, thanks  for that. I know what the Arabic characters are saying now, at 
least on my iPhone. My Mac ignores them all together, I wouldn’t have known 
that you wrote your name in two alphabets if my iPhone hadn’t have read it. So 
I must have my Mac set to ignore other languages as the voice didn’t change 
with Tims French either.
The one thing about this list that might potentially embarrass me is the fact 
that it is a multi national list with many different countries and sometimes I 
don’t know if I’m replying to a male or female, so I avoid making any gender 
references. 
I’ve had a few people in New Zealand that think I’m female even though Petrus 
is a male name. Although I don’t see any reason why there can’t be female Rocks 
as well.
Oh, and no smart comments on my gender by Simon if he’s reading this.

> On 6/05/2020, at 00:28, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
> 
>> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It’s not necessarily working for me as described at the moment either.  I’ll 
check into things in more detail a little later.  I’ve got some other 
priorities going on right now.

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On May 5, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m using the latest OS and I have tried using Alex on the suspect characters 
> and it’s not working at all in the way that Tim has described.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 21:19, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel 
>> a little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, 
>> I’m still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does 
>> not appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO 
>> did not change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide 
>> preferences relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have 
>> Victoria as my default voice.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  
>>> It will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>>> 
>>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>>> 
>>> A bientot.
>>> 
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>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on 
 that option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language 
> so those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of 
>> up will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on 
>> other voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At 
>> least, that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds 
>> for VO to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>>> the language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + 
 Left or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you 
 get to Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Pete,
 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I’m using the latest OS and I have tried using Alex on the suspect characters 
and it’s not working at all in the way that Tim has described.

Kawal.

> On 5 May 2020, at 21:19, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
> little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
> still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
> appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did 
> not change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide 
> preferences relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have 
> Victoria as my default voice.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
>> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish 
>> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It 
>> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
>> 
>> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
>> all.
>> 
>> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
>> 
>> A bientot.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
 those characters don’t get read out.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  > wrote:
> 
> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
>> the language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pete,
>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>>> 
>>> 
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Automatic Language Detection, Was Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

I’m modifying the subject here. This thread has really taken off and I feel a 
little sheepish for Ramy seeing his name all the time right was. Anyhow, I’m 
still running Mojave, and for me the automatic language detection does not 
appear to be working at all. I tried reading Tim’s French words, and VO did not 
change its voice at all. Is there perhaps something in systemwide preferences 
relating to language that we’re maybe overlooking? I have Victoria as my 
default voice.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
> different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
> it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
> remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.
> 
> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at 
> all.
> 
> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?
> 
> A bientot.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>>> those characters don’t get read out.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >>> > wrote:
 
 If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
 will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
 voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
 that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO 
 to load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
 
 Pete
 
> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where 
> the language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a 
different language.  If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish etc, 
it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words.  It will 
remain speaking Alex the rest of the time.

I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at all.

Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim.  Comment ça va?

A bientot.

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
>> those characters don’t get read out.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
 On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
 language was.
 
> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left 
> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
> Automatically Select Based on Language.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference.  I land on that 
option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar.

> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>>> language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
 Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
 Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
 Pete,
 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If enabled, it should remain using the Alex voice, or whatever voice you were 
originally using but add the voice change when it comes upon a different 
language.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:48 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
> those characters don’t get read out.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other 
>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, 
>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to 
>> load the next voice you come upon when you do this.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>>> language was.
>>> 
 On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
 Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
 Automatically Select Based on Language.
 
 HTH
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >>> > wrote:
 
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 Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
 
 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

To enable, press VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear “Voice”, keep those 
keys pressed, then use the up or down arrow until you hear “Automatically 
Select”, then release.  To disable, do the same to get to the Voice option then 
choose your preferred voice.

Later…
  

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 5, 2020, at 1:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

But I want to use Alex.  I just want to turn off the automatic language so 
those characters don’t get read out.

> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up 
> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices 
> like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
> happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
> voice you come upon when you do this.
> 
> Pete
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>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
>> language was.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
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>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Pete De Vasto]

If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up will 
take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other voices like 
Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, that’s what 
happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO to load the next 
voice you come upon when you do this.

Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
> language was.
> 
>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
>> Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
>> Automatically Select Based on Language.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
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>> Pete,
>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

So how do you turn off the automatic language?  Couldn’t find it where the 
language was.

> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Brad Snyder]

This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left or 
Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to 
Automatically Select Based on Language.

HTH

- Brad -




On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.


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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have seen this many times, too me it is just another person on an mailing 
list, and for all we know his Sirname can have family values, my ipad changes 
too an Arab voice, so no issue for me at all.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

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Pete,
Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.


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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

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Hi Ramy and all,

Ramy, now that I understand, it’s really not disturbing to me, especially after 
what others have suggested I can do about reading them. For all, several of you 
have suggested an automatically select language rotor option somewhere in VO 
settings, but I can’t seem to find it anywhere, so I’m stumped!

Thanks for any help,
Pete

> On May 5, 2020, at 5:28 AM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
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> Hi Pete and all:
> Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you 
> use Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or 
> BTW if you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read 
> the Arabic Caractors,
> Hope it did not disturb you and others
> 
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>> 
>> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
>> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
>> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
>> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
>> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
>> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
>> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
>> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference 
>> is set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
>> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
>> characters if needed.
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر]

Hi Pete and all:
Yes, I wrote my Name with Arabic and english Caractors,  and i think if you use 
Automaticaly select by language in the Voice over men, it will stop, or BTW if 
you use any Voice other than ALex, He or she will not be able to read the 
Arabic Caractors,
Hope it did not disturb you and others


> On May 4, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference is 
> set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I see them but i think they have to be there.
I just ignore them.
But i use braille.
/A

> 4 maj 2020 kl. 17:04 skrev Pete De Vasto :
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference is 
> set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I just open the message as the Arabic characters are part of the Subject line.  
Once you open the message, it should just read the content of the message 
instead.  For me, the iPhone actually says something in Arabic, but the Mac 
just reads out the characters.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 4, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Happens to me on my iPhone but not on the Mac. Likely you just need to turn 
> off your automatic language detection.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Jessica Moss]

I have, but unfortunately have no information as to whether or not they can be 
ignored, but agree that reading them can be cumbersome with Voiceover on the 
Mac.  Strangely enough though, I’ve found that when those same messages come 
through on my IPHone, those aren’t displaying there, only a secondary voice 
that reads his name with it’s proper accent, which makes it easier to bypass 
things and be able to read the subject line of the message itself.

> On May 4, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been debating for a long time whether or not to bring this up, and I 
> so strongly hope that I do not offend anyone by what I’m about to say. 
> Whenever I see an e-mail from Ramy, VO reads a rather long string of what it 
> calls Arabic characters, and it takes a bit longer to read through those 
> messages. I am sure there is very good reason for having these characters 
> there, and by no means would I want you to eliminate them. However, I was 
> wondering if others on the list have noticed this behavior, and if there’s a 
> way I can tell VO to ignore these characters. My VO punctuation preference is 
> set to “some”, so I guess that means it’s not considering these to be 
> punctuation. Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Many thanks, and again I am just very curious and can work around the 
> characters if needed.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Dave Carlson]

Happens to me on my iPhone but not on the Mac. Likely you just need to turn off 
your automatic language detection.


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