Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-23 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I usually keep my VM's full screen. I think there might be issues with getting 
VoiceOver to start / be controlled in the VM, but there are probably some work 
arounds, I seem to remember directions to dedicate a uSB keyboard to the VM to 
help. 
I also recently heard from E.T., that he was able to create a second APFS 
volume on his MacBook to be able to book in both MAcOS 11 and MacOS 12. One can 
create multiple APFS volumes  in a single partition.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Aug 22, 2021, at 20:45, Frank Ventura  
> wrote:
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> Hi all, with VMWare Fusion version 12 installed and a VM running how do I get 
> the Virtual Machine to capture my keyboard input? The help file says COMMAND 
> G but that just bonks at me. Can anyone describe the proper procedure?
> 
> Thans
> 
> Frank Ventura
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Frank Ventura
Hi all, with VMWare Fusion version 12 installed and a VM running how do I get 
the Virtual Machine to capture my keyboard input? The help file says COMMAND G 
but that just bonks at me. Can anyone describe the proper procedure?

Thans

Frank Ventura

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RE: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Frank Ventura
OK, here is some info for doing it with Fusion:
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-Fusion/12/com.vmware.fusion.using.doc/GUID-474FC78E-4E77-42B7-A1C6-12C2F378C5B9.html
Frank Ventura


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Hi!
Vmware Fusion can do this for you.
I haven’t tried that myself but I guess it would work.
/A

> 22 aug. 2021 kl. 10:51 skrev Frank Ventura :
> 
> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a host 
> machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as guests. This 
> kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS for security 
> reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to accomplish the same thing 
> on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or two Mac OS guest operating 
> systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does not sell 
> retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume there are 
> folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated. Thanks
> 
> Frank Ventura
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RE: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Frank Ventura
Jonathan, thank you very much. I will be using this for non-commercial stuff so 
I think VMWare Player is OK. When I setup a VM with VMWare Player do I already 
need to have an .iso of an Mac OS installer or will VMWare take care of 
downloading that for me? Interesting stipulation about selling a Mac with an 
upgraded OS. I wonder if that includes donating a Mac as I usually give away my 
old machines? Honestly I have never downgraded an OS on a Mac. I would have to 
figure out how to do that.

Thanks
Frank

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If you get VMWare player you should be able to run a guest MacOS from within a 
Mac computer. I believe currently the license just says you must be running it 
on Mac hardware. If you create a VM there is an option to create a MacOS VM, 
and then you can install what ever copy of Mac OS you need. Tidbits.com had an 
article about this when the new OS did not allow 32 bit binaries to be run on 
it anymore. They gave instructions for  how to install a VM to use 32 bit 
programs in the older OS.
One license condition which I am not sure people really abide by is that if you 
sell your Mac, it should have the same OS as when you initially bought it.

Good Luck,
Jonathan


On 8/22/21, Frank Ventura  wrote:
> Can you install Mac OS into a Bootcamp session? The Bootcamp utility 
> suggests it is designed for Windows. thanks
>
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>
>> I know you can create multiple Bootcamp sessions with the Mac, but I 
>> have never heard of Mac being ran as a Virtual Machine.
>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 03:51, Frank Ventura 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to 
>>> run a host machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) 
>>> running as guests. This kept the guest operating systems isolated 
>>> from the host OS for security reasons and sure made backups easy. I 
>>> would like to accomplish the same thing on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would 
>>> like to run one or two Mac OS guest operating systems. How can I 
>>> accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does not sell retail 
>>> licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume there are 
>>> folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any help 
>>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>>
>>> Frank Ventura
>>>
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Vmware Fusion can do this for you.
I haven’t tried that myself but I guess it would work.
/A

> 22 aug. 2021 kl. 10:51 skrev Frank Ventura :
> 
> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a host 
> machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as guests. This 
> kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS for security 
> reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to accomplish the same thing 
> on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or two Mac OS guest operating 
> systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does not sell 
> retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume there are 
> folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated. Thanks
> 
> Frank Ventura
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Jonathan Cohn
If you get VMWare player you should be able to run a guest MacOS from
within a Mac computer. I believe currently the license just says you
must be running it on Mac hardware. If you create a VM there is an
option to create a MacOS VM, and then you can install what ever copy
of Mac OS you need. Tidbits.com had an article about this when the new
OS did not allow 32 bit binaries to be run on it anymore. They gave
instructions for  how to install a VM to use 32 bit programs in the
older OS.
One license condition which I am not sure people really abide by is
that if you sell your Mac, it should have the same OS as when you
initially bought it.

Good Luck,
Jonathan


On 8/22/21, Frank Ventura  wrote:
> Can you install Mac OS into a Bootcamp session? The Bootcamp utility
> suggests it is designed for Windows. thanks
>
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>
>> I know you can create multiple Bootcamp sessions with the Mac, but I have
>> never heard of Mac being ran as a Virtual Machine.
>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 03:51, Frank Ventura
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a
>>> host machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as
>>> guests. This kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS
>>> for security reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to
>>> accomplish the same thing on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or
>>> two Mac OS guest operating systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as
>>> I know Apple does not sell retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong
>>> about that? I assume there are folks  out there running the Mac OS as a
>>> virtual machine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>>
>>> Frank Ventura
>>>
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Herbie Allen
I know the Beta can so I don’t know why it couldn’t be done with the regular 
Mac OS.

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:29, Frank Ventura  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you install Mac OS into a Bootcamp session? The Bootcamp utility suggests 
> it is designed for Windows. thanks
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I know you can create multiple Bootcamp sessions with the Mac, but I have 
>> never heard of Mac being ran as a Virtual Machine.
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 03:51, Frank Ventura  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a 
>>> host machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as guests. 
>>> This kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS for 
>>> security reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to accomplish the 
>>> same thing on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or two Mac OS guest 
>>> operating systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does 
>>> not sell retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume 
>>> there are folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any 
>>> help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>> 
>>> Frank Ventura
>>> 
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Frank Ventura
Can you install Mac OS into a Bootcamp session? The Bootcamp utility suggests 
it is designed for Windows. thanks

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> I know you can create multiple Bootcamp sessions with the Mac, but I have 
> never heard of Mac being ran as a Virtual Machine.
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 03:51, Frank Ventura  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a host 
>> machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as guests. This 
>> kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS for security 
>> reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to accomplish the same 
>> thing on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or two Mac OS guest 
>> operating systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does 
>> not sell retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume 
>> there are folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any help 
>> would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>> 
>> Frank Ventura
>> 
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Re: Running Mac OS as a virtual machine

2021-08-22 Thread Herbie Allen
I know you can create multiple Bootcamp sessions with the Mac, but I have never 
heard of Mac being ran as a Virtual Machine.

> On Aug 22, 2021, at 03:51, Frank Ventura  
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> Hi all, back in my days of Windows server 2008 and 2012 I used to run a host 
> machine with two or more virtual machines (Windows) running as guests. This 
> kept the guest operating systems isolated from the host OS for security 
> reasons and sure made backups easy. I would like to accomplish the same thing 
> on my 2013 Mac Pro. I would like to run one or two Mac OS guest operating 
> systems. How can I accomplish this? As far as I know Apple does not sell 
> retail licenses of the Mac OS. Am I wrong about that? I assume there are 
> folks  out there running the Mac OS as a virtual machine. Any help would be 
> greatly appreciated. Thanks
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> Frank Ventura
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