Re: Screen Brightness default
OK, I'll try that then. Thank you guys for the help. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401. - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Cohn" <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> To: "Macintosh Blindness List" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:51 PM Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default Yes, this was my experience with my 2009 MBP. If the brightness is set to 0 then it gets restored to 100% on reboot or re-login. I usually keep my brightness at 3-6% and rarely find it getting reset except when somebody else uses my system. :-) . Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On 21 Mar 2016, at 16:23, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: Ok, my findings. I could reproduce this if I set brightness to 0% then rebooted. I think at 0% the "automatically adjust brightness" checkbox is dimmed. I then set brightness level to 5% and checked the above option then rebooted and was still at 5%. There may be a built in safeguard that will not allow for total blackout at startup. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 10:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I echo Ben's last statement here, E.T. I'm not doubting you either, but can you be a bit more specific? Steps taken: 1. Either press FN+F1 until you reach 0%, or go to system prefs, display, interact with the slider, and VO+Down arrow all the way to 0 percent. Sidenote, I'm doing this with the screen curtain disabled. 2. Reboot the machine. Perform these two steps either with the charger plugged in or not. It doesn't matter. Result: The screen returns to brightness level 100% upon successful reboot once OSX loads. Expected result: the screen should stay at the percentage set in the above two steps once rebooted. I see an option under system prefs when plugged in, or when on battery to slightly dim the display, but that's not what I'm attempting to do. I'm literally wishing to keep the exact same brightness level regardless, once the system fully restarts and is fully booted. Thank you for trying to help me trouble shoot this; your help is appreciated. Chris. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent or anything. We're just stumped. Thanks, Ben - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Guys, I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick. This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/
Re: Screen Brightness default
OK, E.T. what you say makes sense. I'll give that a try next time I'm by one of my macs. Thank you so much for helping me with this. Again, as I said, it's appreciated. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401. - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default Ok, my findings. I could reproduce this if I set brightness to 0% then rebooted. I think at 0% the "automatically adjust brightness" checkbox is dimmed. I then set brightness level to 5% and checked the above option then rebooted and was still at 5%. There may be a built in safeguard that will not allow for total blackout at startup. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 10:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I echo Ben's last statement here, E.T. I'm not doubting you either, but can you be a bit more specific? Steps taken: 1. Either press FN+F1 until you reach 0%, or go to system prefs, display, interact with the slider, and VO+Down arrow all the way to 0 percent. Sidenote, I'm doing this with the screen curtain disabled. 2. Reboot the machine. Perform these two steps either with the charger plugged in or not. It doesn't matter. Result: The screen returns to brightness level 100% upon successful reboot once OSX loads. Expected result: the screen should stay at the percentage set in the above two steps once rebooted. I see an option under system prefs when plugged in, or when on battery to slightly dim the display, but that's not what I'm attempting to do. I'm literally wishing to keep the exact same brightness level regardless, once the system fully restarts and is fully booted. Thank you for trying to help me trouble shoot this; your help is appreciated. Chris. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent or anything. We're just stumped. Thanks, Ben - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Guys, I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick. This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p
Re: Screen Brightness default
Yes, this was my experience with my 2009 MBP. If the brightness is set to 0 then it gets restored to 100% on reboot or re-login. I usually keep my brightness at 3-6% and rarely find it getting reset except when somebody else uses my system. :-) . Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On 21 Mar 2016, at 16:23, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Ok, my findings. I could reproduce this if I set brightness to 0% then > rebooted. I think at 0% the "automatically adjust brightness" checkbox is > dimmed. > > I then set brightness level to 5% and checked the above option then > rebooted and was still at 5%. There may be a built in safeguard that will not > allow for total blackout at startup. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > On 3/20/2016 10:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> I echo Ben's last statement here, E.T. I'm not doubting you either, but can >> you be a bit more specific? >> >> Steps taken: >> >> 1. Either press FN+F1 until you reach 0%, or go to system prefs, display, >> interact with the slider, and VO+Down arrow all the way to 0 percent. >> Sidenote, I'm doing this with the screen curtain disabled. >> >> 2. Reboot the machine. Perform these two steps either with the charger >> plugged in or not. It doesn't matter. >> >> Result: The screen returns to brightness level 100% upon successful reboot >> once OSX loads. >> >> Expected result: the screen should stay at the percentage set in the above >> two steps once rebooted. >> >> I see an option under system prefs when plugged in, or when on battery to >> slightly dim the display, but that's not what I'm attempting to do. I'm >> literally wishing to keep the exact same brightness level regardless, once >> the system fully restarts and is fully booted. >> >> Thank you for trying to help me trouble shoot this; your help is appreciated. >> >> Chris. >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:14 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default >> >> I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system >> preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer >> systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and >> Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you >> use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness >> to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The >> energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to >> literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. >> >> We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent >> or anything. We're just stumped. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ben >> - Original Message - >> From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 >> Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default >> >> >> System preferences, Displays. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: >>> Guys, >>> >>> I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my >>> macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I >>> set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I >>> just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon >>> as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down >>> FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very >>> minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m >>> just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a >>> way to make it stick. >>> >>> This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook >>> Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Vis
Re: Screen Brightness default
Ok, my findings. I could reproduce this if I set brightness to 0% then rebooted. I think at 0% the "automatically adjust brightness" checkbox is dimmed. I then set brightness level to 5% and checked the above option then rebooted and was still at 5%. There may be a built in safeguard that will not allow for total blackout at startup. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 10:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I echo Ben's last statement here, E.T. I'm not doubting you either, but can you be a bit more specific? Steps taken: 1. Either press FN+F1 until you reach 0%, or go to system prefs, display, interact with the slider, and VO+Down arrow all the way to 0 percent. Sidenote, I'm doing this with the screen curtain disabled. 2. Reboot the machine. Perform these two steps either with the charger plugged in or not. It doesn't matter. Result: The screen returns to brightness level 100% upon successful reboot once OSX loads. Expected result: the screen should stay at the percentage set in the above two steps once rebooted. I see an option under system prefs when plugged in, or when on battery to slightly dim the display, but that's not what I'm attempting to do. I'm literally wishing to keep the exact same brightness level regardless, once the system fully restarts and is fully booted. Thank you for trying to help me trouble shoot this; your help is appreciated. Chris. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent or anything. We're just stumped. Thanks, Ben - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Guys, I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick. This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Screen Brightness default
I echo Ben's last statement here, E.T. I'm not doubting you either, but can you be a bit more specific? Steps taken: 1. Either press FN+F1 until you reach 0%, or go to system prefs, display, interact with the slider, and VO+Down arrow all the way to 0 percent. Sidenote, I'm doing this with the screen curtain disabled. 2. Reboot the machine. Perform these two steps either with the charger plugged in or not. It doesn't matter. Result: The screen returns to brightness level 100% upon successful reboot once OSX loads. Expected result: the screen should stay at the percentage set in the above two steps once rebooted. I see an option under system prefs when plugged in, or when on battery to slightly dim the display, but that's not what I'm attempting to do. I'm literally wishing to keep the exact same brightness level regardless, once the system fully restarts and is fully booted. Thank you for trying to help me trouble shoot this; your help is appreciated. Chris. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent or anything. We're just stumped. Thanks, Ben - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > Guys, > > I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my > macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I > set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I > just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon > as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down > FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very > minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m > just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a > way to make it stick. > > This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook > Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. > > Chris. > -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To
Re: Screen Brightness default
I was able to reproduce Chris's problem. Neither the slider under system preferences, displays, nor the energy settings does this. Maybe with newer systems, it sticks. But with older macs, such as my Mid 2010 MacBook, and Chris's Late 2012 MacBook Pro, it does it identically the same whether you use the function keys or the system prefs slider. It resets the brightness to 100%. I also tested this on battery power, and it doesn't do it. The energy setting would just dim the screen slightly, whereas we're trying to literally maintain the exact screen brightness percentage after reboot. We're not doubting you, neither are we trying to make you look incompetent or anything. We're just stumped. Thanks, Ben - Original Message - From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 21:23 Subject: Re: Screen Brightness default System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Guys, I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick. This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Screen Brightness default
System preferences, Displays. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 3/20/2016 8:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Guys, I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do. If I set the screen to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0. Don’t get me wrong. This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick. This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 13 inch non retina system with a superdrive. Chris. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
